Should we change the law on abortion? ( may contain graphic images )

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Congrats to the marchers-well in, Fluffy and bernadette. Ireland is a country that could do with post-natal abortion up to the age limit of 75 in many cases.

I wonder how many of those opposed to abortion under any circumstances would be up for paying for the raising of severely handicapped hydroencephalic pregnances or would be prepared to shell out for the loss of a mother to a dangerous full term pregnancy out of their own money.

You'd soon see the anti-abortion ranks thinning if that were the case. Essentially this is another of those pseudo debates in Ireland between those who see women as baby machines and people who think that the woman involved is in the one who should have the choice.

Extraordinary how in Ireland these medieval muppets have managed to assume they can tell a woman down the road they've never met that she should go through with a pregnancy in order to satisfy the medieval mindset of the dingbat islander.

[Trow]

Life and Death, the right to and governess over are our conscious being but who be the Judge?
At which point beyond conception has a man right to rule?
When questioning consciousness of the fetus, i personally recall being cut out of my Mothers Womb after standing firm footed upon her pelvis in moments after falling to Earth.

What World was i afraid of?

[bernadette]

A womans choice is just that. Its for each woman to decide if in whichever situation is hers its right to have a child.

[fluffybiscuits]

Congrats to the marchers-well in, Fluffy and bernadette. Ireland is a country that could do with post-natal abortion up to the age limit of 75 in many cases.

I wonder how many of those opposed to abortion under any circumstances would be up for paying for the raising of severely handicapped hydroencephalic pregnances or would be prepared to shell out for the loss of a mother to a dangerous full term pregnancy out of their own money.

You'd soon see the anti-abortion ranks thinning if that were the case. Essentially this is another of those pseudo debates in Ireland between those who see women as baby machines and people who think that the woman involved is in the one who should have the choice.

Extraordinary how in Ireland these medieval muppets have managed to assume they can tell a woman down the road they've never met that she should go through with a pregnancy in order to satisfy the medieval mindset of the dingbat islander.

They would tell us that its gods will if a child dies or some other cop out rather than use reason or logic. Giving women a choice of what to do with their bodies is a human right and should fall under family planning. A lot of the medevil muppets are still involved at the highest ranks of government in FG and apaprently suprisingly in Labour.

Meanwhile I just slipped on to the facebook page of youth defence...lol ....god botherers!

[fluffybiscuits]

Creighton is in hot water again.

http://www.thejournal.ie/iccl-lucind...23209-Oct2012/

THE IRISH COUNCIL for Civil Liberties has submitted a report to the Council of Europe in which it criticises the EU Affairs junior minister Lucinda Creighton for what it describes as her “intransigence” to a European court ruling.

The report singles out Creighton for her response to the European Court of Human Rights ruling on A, B and C versus Ireland – in which the court criticised Ireland for failing to implement sufficient legislation to clarify the circumstances under which an abortion might be carried out.

Thats right Creighton, get your priorities right , thats a good TD....

[Trow]

Life and Death, the right to and governess over are our conscious being but who be the Judge?
At which point beyond conception has a man right to rule?
When questioning consciousness of the fetus, i personally recall being cut out of my Mothers Womb after standing firm footed upon her pelvis in moments after falling to Earth.

What World was i afraid of?

By the way i was a Caesarean section.

[fluffybiscuits]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...324960249.html

Worrying news on women who died in child birth...two of them when its a very rare occurence...

[Andrew49]

A womans choice is just that. Its for each woman to decide if in whichever situation is hers its right to have a child.

+100

There appears to me moves afoot in the UK to limit abortions - denied of course. And it's a man expressing his opinion as to when an abortion can be carried out. [The BBC

Creighton is abysmal on this matter - she rushed around the country during the Fiskal Kompakt referendum and pontificated from some office in Europe on how vital and important and critical and a major priority that the referendum be passed - yet the matter of saving the lives of women is of so little importance to her and the other cowards in Fine Gael.

[bernadette]

+100

There appears to me moves afoot in the UK to limit abortions - denied of course. And it's a man expressing his opinion as to when an abortion can be carried out. [The BBC

Creighton is abysmal on this matter - she rushed around the country during the Fiskal Kompakt referendum and pontificated from some office in Europe on how vital and important and critical and a major priority that the referendum be passed - yet the matter of saving the lives of women is of so little importance to her and the other cowards in Fine Gael.

Its a tough call because the longer an abortion is delayed the more chance of viable life. My instinct is abortions cannot be too long delayed or it plays into the hands of the anti abortionists.

It must be a womans choice but generally all an abortion is is induced labour and if a woman going through that gives birth to a baby with survival chances then obviously the baby must be given the chance.

[Count Bobulescu]

DUBLIN — A British nonprofit organization said Thursday that it would open an abortion clinic next week in Belfast, the first ever on the island of Ireland, raising a furious reaction from anti-abortion campaigners who promised to pressure local politicians to refuse to grant an operating license.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/12/wo...ref=world&_r=0

[5intheface]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/12/wo...ref=world&_r=0

You want to hear the venom being spat round the place about this.

Health Minister Edwin Poots was near off his trolley last night threatening life in prison if they thought they'd be getting away with murdering children. Seems he only wants the parts of Britishness that suit him. The Stopes crowd had already said they'd be operating within the current guidelines.

The Stopes spokesperson is Dawn Purvis, former MLA and ex-leader of the PUP.

Lots of stories from women who have had the whole experience made much worse by having to travel to Britain.

Bernie Smyth and her Precious Life nutters have gone into overdrive.

[bernadette]

You want to hear the venom being spat round the place about this.

Health Minister Edwin Poots was near off his trolley last night threatening life in prison if they thought they'd be getting away with murdering children. Seems he only wants the parts of Britishness that suit him. The Stopes crowd had already said they'd be operating within the current guidelines.

The Stopes spokesperson is Dawn Purvis, former MLA and ex-leader of the PUP.

Lots of stories from women who have had the whole experience made much worse by having to travel to Britain.

Bernie Smyth and her Precious Life nutters have gone into overdrive.

These nutters don't care about women and they certainly don't care about babies. Every woman is entitled to choose and every baby has the right to be born into a loving environment. All the likes of Poots et al would do is see more poverty the kind we used to see too much of.

[5intheface]

These nutters don't care about women and they certainly don't care about babies. Every woman is entitled to choose and every baby has the right to be born into a loving environment. All the likes of Poots et al would do is see more poverty the kind we used to see too much of.

With you there, bernadette.

Smyth is a particularly nasty piece of work, She pops up every so often to spew her narrow minded certainties. Last night she was on with Purvis and refused to let her speak. It's clear that she speaks with the conviction of someone who believes her god has anointed her as his spokesman on earth and it is absolutely pointless to try to convince her that other people are even allowed to disagree with her, let alone have an opinion of their own.

And the saddest bit? Her attitude is supported by the law. North and south.

[bernadette]

With you there, bernadette.

Smyth is a particularly nasty piece of work, She pops up every so often to spew her narrow minded certainties. Last night she was on with Purvis and refused to let her speak. It's clear that she speaks with the conviction of someone who believes her god has anointed her as his spokesman on earth and it is absolutely pointless to try to convince her that other people are even allowed to disagree with her, let alone have an opinion of their own.

And the saddest bit? Her attitude is supported by the law. North and south.

+1

[Dr. FIVE]

The polarized nature of the debate has really clouded the issue and left untold damage hasn't it? I dont think I have ever come across anything like it all the years it's been hoovering in and out of the agenda. That subtle & not so subtle cage that usually governs every aspect of discourse in this country just goes out the window. A sure sign of how much is at stake for a number of different interests. The more and more stories we hear the more we understand the the variety and complexity of people's situations and I think it holds up a very uncomfortable mirror for some who would rather not acknowledge some fairly fundamental imbalances in how we run society.