Should we change the law on abortion? ( may contain graphic images )

[fluffybiscuits]

http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/m...es-669196.html

This is a case where there should perhaps be legal abortion. The child would have been carried to full term suffering from a condition called anencephaly in which the child is born with a brain stem and some parts of the brain but the rest is missing. At most the child can just carry out basic functions such as breathe and is just existing on the very peripherals of life. Morally for a situation like this to exist is completely wrong, this is the doing of the church and other fringe groups whom are intent on keeping the status quo. The child is suffering and the mother is suffering until she reaches England for the termination. This is not a case to further the pro choice cause in Ireland but to make a point that in even the most limiting of circumstances, issues like these warrant legal abortion here in Ireland.

[fluffybiscuits]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...on-law-britain


Another reason to change the law here. The amount of women seeking abortions has double in recent years with more and more going to the UK. Some of the cases are harrowing including a woman whose child was born no skull and no brain, what do we do in this case? She was told by a cosultant she could either have the baby or he did suggest going to England. The law here is bizzare...

[fluffybiscuits]

The Irish Cat lick reporting that James Reilly may legalise it...

Fine Gael is preparing to legalise abortion in Ireland Minister for Health Dr James Reilly has told colleagues. In a move that will spark fury, the party is preparing to do a u-turn on a commitment given to pro-life voters before the 2011 general election that they would not introduce abortion legislation

http://www.irishcatholic.ie/

[ang]

Abortion legislation is going to be tricky for the coalition.

Lucinda is one of fifteen FG TD's very upset and states that this is a red line issue for FG

Some 15 TDs said they would oppose legislation that would pave the way for abortion and insisted the findings of the expert group on abortion be discussed with them before it is brought to Cabinet.

Our Minister of European affairs also argues -

Minister of State Lucinda Creighton and Limerick Fine Gael TD Patrick O’Donovan both argued the State was not bound to ECHR decisions in the same way as it was to the European Court of Justice.

Oh our European "partners" as Lucinda likes to call them will be really pleased with the new Lucy solidarity show.



Meanwhile Eamon is out of the blocks - Gilmore: Issue of abortion will not destabilise Government -

"We have established structures within government which enable us to make key decisions on a joint basis," he said.

"We have a very good working relationship, particularly between the Taoiseach and myself, which is capable of resolving any issue that arises within the lifetime of the Government."

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/g...nt-560243.html

[fluffybiscuits]

Abortion legislation is going to be tricky for the coalition.

Lucinda is one of fifteen FG TD's very upset and states that this is a red line issue for FG



Our Minister of European affairs also argues -



Oh our European "partners" as Lucinda likes to call them will be really pleased with the new Lucy solidarity show.



Meanwhile Eamon is out of the blocks - Gilmore: Issue of abortion will not destabilise Government -



http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/g...nt-560243.html

The government are on collision course on this with Labour and FG both going to be differing hugely on the issue. The X Case issue with the ECHR is not looking to liberalise abortion but merely to clarify the existing legislation that is in place already. There is so much that has not been done in the last twenty years to address this issue and its a grey area. You can imagine that the old guard like Mitchell and then the people like Lucy Creighton are all towing a party line with younger members of the party perhaps differing on it. Is it a unanimous issue in Labour is what I would like to know ? 54% of people are in favour of some sort of legislation i read in a poll somewhere .

[Richardbouvet]

Micheal Martin seems to have indulged in a particularly low piece of electoral opportunism today when he said that he is "not convinced" that any change in the present law is necessary.

Haughey-style FF posturing of the most despicable kind.

[fluffybiscuits]

Micheal Martin seems to have indulged in a particularly low piece of electoral opportunism today when he said that he is "not convinced" that any change in the present law is necessary.

Haughey-style FF posturing of the most despicable kind.

He saw and opportunity for a bit of populism....reeks of desperation...

[bernadette]

No one should be able to tell a woman what she must do with her body. All women should be able to have an abortion here if that is what they want. There are horror stories about women carrying dead babies having to run to England to get the fetus aborted and at the other extreme there are non stop complaints about single mothers living on state benfits.

Some of us really do love to feel superior.

[bolshevik]

No one should be able to tell a woman what she must do with her body. All women should be able to have an abortion here if that is what they want. There are horror stories about women carrying dead babies having to run to England to get the fetus aborted and at the other extreme there are non stop complaints about single mothers living on state benfits.

Some of us really do love to feel superior.

+1

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[fluffybiscuits]

No one should be able to tell a woman what she must do with her body. All women should be able to have an abortion here if that is what they want. There are horror stories about women carrying dead babies having to run to England to get the fetus aborted and at the other extreme there are non stop complaints about single mothers living on state benfits.

Some of us really do love to feel superior.

+1

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Very well made point and one of the reasons why I think we need a move on such issues. There is a distinct lack of movement on the issue as other things seem to be taking precedence but this needs to be moved forward. ULA have done excellent work only criticism is they need to push it forward more and publicise the meetings like the one they had in Wynnes hotel

[bernadette]

Very well made point and one of the reasons why I think we need a move on such issues. There is a distinct lack of movement on the issue as other things seem to be taking precedence but this needs to be moved forward. ULA have done excellent work only criticism is they need to push it forward more and publicise the meetings like the one they had in Wynnes hotel

I thought it was about average myself...

[C. Flower]

A girl with leukaemia has died in Dominica after chemotherapy was delayed 20 days because she was pregnant. Very sad.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/wo...ion/index.html

[Maximus]

No way never to abortion!

[fluffybiscuits]

No way never to abortion!

Maximus mate that is all well and good but what reasons do you have for this? Have you considered women who have been raped? Children whom are still born? Children whom will have zero quality of life? The issues are a very grey area but I would say read all the literature you can on the issues mate before you come out with the statements (and I mean that in the nicest possible way). Out there there are a lot of people peddling rubbish so you may be best to keep an open mind.Consider the factors mentioned and then think about it

[C. Flower]

Fintan O'Toole - "If you believe that abortion is cold-blooded murder, a number of people equivalent to the population of Limerick have been slaughtered....why do you do so little to stop it ?"

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...49.html?via=mr