Army is just another way to keep young people out of unemployment and crimeOriginally Posted by C. Flower
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Army is just another way to keep young people out of unemployment and crime
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James Reilly, take note!
In order to fund the running of our psychiatric hospitals, the Greek government has prepared a plan that will "secure" financing as follows; Elderly patients (who make up 92% of the total) with a pension of up to 500€ will have 50% of their pension confiscated. Patients with a pension of up to 700€ will have 70% of their pension confiscated, while those on a pension of over 700€ will have 80% of their pension confiscated.
Of course these people all contributed to the various health insurance schemes which are supposed to cover their care, but these funds were annihilated when raided by the Papademos' care taker government and given to the banks. There is no money left in the health funds, not a red cent. Also, the proposed "funding" will not be confiscated and given to the particular institution were the patient is cared for, oh no. It all goes into the big black hole called Health insurance. Probably to make it easier to give it to the banks again in a month or two. After all, it has already been made clear they will need more money, so that they can start lending again and help the economy recover....
All we now need is a "commitment law", like you had in Ireland not so long ago, and we can populate the care institutions with rich pensioners to fascilitate "funding". We could of course also put those who belong in there in, immediately. I'm sure Samaras and his gang wouldn't mind a little rest after 2 weeks of hard work, and as they have really juicy pensions, it might just solve the problem in one foul swoop....
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The latest suicide in Greece is a retired radiologist from Lamia. While visiting his ill mother in the hospital in Lamia, the 64 year old jumped out of the 5th floor window. As yet unconfirmed reports claim the man retired 6 months ago and had yet to receive his first pension. Because of his mother being in hospital, he had run into serious financial difficulties and had unofficially been told he would have to take his mother home with him.
His wife and daughter were present when he committed his desperate act.
Of course, as our minister for health already stated, this was another person with serious mental problems who is of course not a victim of the economic policies and resulting situations like not receiving a pension. RIP.
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The insanity and inhumane treatment of the weakest in our society reached a new low today.
It has emerged today that on Thursday 12/07/2012 a representative of the PPC (the Greek electricity company) visited the Hospice of the Foundation for the Incurably Ill in Kypseli in Athens and disconnected their power supply. At that time the hospice had 235 incurably ill, bed-ridden patients between the ages of 80 and 96 in it's care, and the temperatures in Athens were touching 40C, while the air conditioning units had been disabled due to this action. On Sunday the temperatures in Athens reached 46C, and the hospice was left without power, thus without air conditioning.
The electricity bill is for a total of 866€, which includes 600.29€ emergency property tax (For which the hospice is exempt!), 166.94€ "municipality fees" and also includes the fee for the National TV broadcaster ERT. Meaning, the actual electricity component of the bill was 98.77€, which, according to the bill itself, is only due on August 3rd.
The spokeswoman for the hospice decided to spill the beans on the whole sorry mess and went on to tell the stunned reporters of To Vima that the Hopsice is
- owed over 3 million € by the State for the service they provide to the elderly. However, the fund that was supposed to pay this to them was raided by the Papademos "interim government" and cleaned out to pay bond holders instead.
- Because of non payment of this 3 million, the hospice finds it impossible to meet its financial obligations and suppliers of pharmnaceutical supplies and food have stopped supplying the hospice. The elderly have not had a proper meal since June 1st, when supplies were stopped.
- The 170 staff tried collect money in an effort to secure enough medication to help the bedridden patients who suffer from bed sores, respitory and urinary infections and severe anemia. The effort was in vain, because none of them have been paid since March 1st, and they are struggling themselves to keep families going.
- the hospice ran out of basic care supplies like eye drops, diapers, skin ointment etc mid june and has not been able to secure any supply since.
At the end of her tether, the manageress of the hospice revealed that she had started legal proceedings against the departments of health, labour and finance, with the help of a few "friendly" lawyers. There were no politicians available for comment...
The manager of the PPC in the area is one of the people who awarded himself a 3,500€ monthly bonus in January for a "job well done"...
Last edited by Ephilant; 19-07-2012 at 04:17 PM.
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Thanks for the updates Ephilant
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”
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Sincerely hope they sue the ****** off the government and win..
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Beyond the insult and tragedy, it's very fuse lighting stuff.
Hopefully the army mentioned above will recall they have parents.
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Samaras has obviously realised this is fuse-igniting stuff and "personally" intervened. What did he do? The electricity was reconnected. How about wages, supplies, future funding? Nothing he can do about that.
When it was pointed out to him that the promised (!) recapitalization of the social funds should take precedent over the recapitalization of the banks he got very pissed and retorted that the banks are "systemic" to the recovery of the economy. Now, where did I hear that before?
And he is of course also saying that incurably ill elderly, are really not important, to which the reporter answered that all 235 of these people would have been in the prime of their lives during WW2 and most likely spent their time in the mountains ambushing Nazis so that he now has a country to be PM off. The silence was rather deafening...
As for the military, it is not the first time that there is a veiled, or even not so veiled, threat of military involvement to secure the "stabilizing of the country". As a net result a group of mothers of soldiers came together and declared that they would stand in the first row of any protest against military intervention, should the military decide to turn on their own. It was then reported that this group was a good few thousand strong. A very effective deterent. The threatened mighty roar immediately became a pathetic whimper. Don't ever underestimate the mammies
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This is appalling. And of course, it is the way of the future for "programme" countries. Ireland is just closing nursing homes and patients are being dispersed.
http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/201...thens-hospice/
That manager should have his bonus confiscated as he doesn't know his job.
UPDATE: With personal order of Prime Minister Antonis Samaras the power supply was reconnected after 2 hours. PPC claimed, it did not know it was a charity foundation, as the bill wa sissued to the name of a private person. All political parties condemmed the incident.
PS Why PPC cut the electricity when the Finance Ministry issued a circular last April/May that no electricity would be cut for unpaid emergency property tax bill, the pure electricity debt to PPC was less than 100 euro and the bill was expiring on Aug 3/2012 … only PPC knows. God doesn’t…
The Supreme Administrative Court had ruled last winter that cutting the electricity because of unpaid emergency property tax is against the Greek Constitution.
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Only when they are scared do they back down if Samaras had not intervened in this then they would have continued on. Yer spot on though, we find out our Health Minister owns shares in a private nursing home yet what is happening in his position? Its a clear conflict of interest but the whole scenario is ignored...
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Scared of what, Captain one-eye? You must be joking. The only reason the guy interfered is because it looks good in the newpaper headlines. He couldn't give a toss. How do we know?
Well, obviously some Greeks are more equal than others, much more equal...
While unemployement money, minimum wage, pensions etc are cut to below sustainance levels for the vast majority of Greeks, it was envisaged as part of the cutbacks that the higher wage earners would contribute their fair share. Right! of course, all this to be controlled by the Greek government who report back to the Troika on the "progress".
Today it emerges that managers of state bodies "forgot" to implement those cuts, which should have started 2 years ago. Not one of the employees in the State bodies had their wages reduced by 1 cent, manager of employee. Not only that, but the then Papademos goverment also threatened to withdraw subsidies if these cuts were not implemented. Subsidies to state run bodies INCREASED from 610 million in 2011 to 720 million in 2012. Amongst others, 1700 employees in a particular department received 200-300 euro "pc allowance" (!). the department only has 600 pcs...
In another development, a project in a prison which was labelled as a "drinker and feeder for animals" was checked last Friday, and somehow this "drinker and feeder for animals" has mutated into a swimming pool with build in barbecue. The prison does house some unnamed VIP prisoners
Meanwhile, we are now feeding over 620 people from our food kitchen...
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Political debate at its best.Scared of what, Captain one-eye?
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I'm sorry if the guy's nick name offends you. Here, we are done with niceties and sensitivites towards these people. He has been called worse, and with very good reason.
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Sneering at the disabled or injured is not a result of poverty or recession. It's who you are - and I don't accept that you speak for the Greek people.Here, we are done with niceties
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I do apologise if I'm not PC enough for your sensitivities. The knick name has in fact nothing to do with disabilities. That is in your mind, nowhere else. He has the use of both eyes, just uses them selectively. We too have a saying which translates into "In the land of the blind, One-eye is captain". And he manoeuvered and cajoled in every which way possible to become the leader of the blind corrupt elite of this country, those who indeed don't give a toss about the country or its people. He more than earned the name!
I also never claimed, and don't claim to speak for "the Greek people". I do however echo the sentiments of the vast majority of Greeks who do not profit from this "selective viewing" but instead have their income reduced to nothing in order to pay for the corruption and excesses for which this and previous governments are not only responsible, but more than obviously keep turning a blind eye. I speak for people who once had an income or owned their own business, who now have to live from the handouts from others and charity. Those are the people I do speak for, and only because they are not in a position to do so themselves. And I will keep speaking for them until they get the means and the opportunity to do so themselves. I will however not send you a draft to make sure that what I have to say conforms with your ideas of what we are going through and the political correctness of its contents. If you don't like it, you can block it.
But instead of shooting the messenger, you would do a lot better in heeding the message. You just don't know what's around the corner.
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