The High Costs of Higher Education and Student Loan Debt

[riposte]

No, I am afraid that represents a black hole of ignorance on my part. Would be most grateful for enlightenment.

I'm guessing it stands for ? access programme or similar?

Trinity Access Program ..... available to kids in shools in deprived areas only..... under this program..... children can gain access to TCD with a 20% reduction of the points normally necessary under the CAO system.... Some financial and tutorial assistance is also given to students sufficently motivated to go to third level.

[Holly]

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That is the opposite to my view ..... I said nothing to that effect..... you have arrived at your opinions of my views purely through........ prejudice.

Read again what you wrote about the poor drinking in the pub all day and in the bookies. These are your words, riposte.

Are you characterising ALL solicitors, TDs, consultants, senior financial executives, etc as.......... not working hard?

Pretty much. Have your heard what their fees are? None of them work that hard.

[riposte]

Read again what you wrote about the poor drinking in the pub all day and in the bookies. These are your words, riposte.

Here again you completely misrepresent my words and views for the third time .... I never said anything about "the poor drinking in the pub" ....

http://www.politicalworld.org/showpo...44&postcount=5

.......like so many others who try to make politics out of education .....you just regurgitate the nonsense that "free fees" hurt the poor. They don't! They hurt the children of the middle class. That's the point of my post ...... I don't hold any pejorative views of the poor or the unemployed.... on the contrary....

[morticia]

Trinity Access Program ...Some financial and tutorial assistance is also given to students sufficently motivated to go to third level.

Had actually heard of this, but wasn't aware that it also involved help with the admin fee. Good to know. Thing is, though, do the other 3rd level institutions run similar programmes, or is it just TCD? Does the State help fund it? TCD gets over 1/2 of its money from non-State sources, according to a recent article by the Provost.

[Apjp]

Grants will soon cease to exist. They are 30% of what they were less than a year ago. Morticia was correct on the late payments too. If they don't come exactly on time for the likes of me who are doing a year abroad, or for anyone commuting to urban areas in Ireland to study, we'll all be in big trouble. And we can't all ask our parents for money. Children's allowance for big families has been cut by near 100 euro per month.

[Apjp]

Grants Court Case Update: This morning the High Court set February 23rd as the date for the hearing. It is anticipated that the case will go into a second day on Feb 24th. The state was granted leave to file additional affidavits prior to the hearing if necessary.

via the USI FB page. hopefully it will be sorted and the cuts reversed, though we shouldn't underestimate the state which can move very fast when it wants to. I'd say what'd happen is the state will plead inability to pay or else it'll have the case drag on.

[morticia]

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And we can't all ask our parents for money.

Those of us who can are probably not eligible for a grant in the first place.....

[Apjp]

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Those of us who can are probably not eligible for a grant in the first place.....

yeah. was meant as an obvious quip, spose :P

[Holly]

The stupidity of Labour to champion free third level education for the sons and daughters of solicitors, middle and senior civil servants, TDs, medical consultants, bank executives, etc. serves only to clarify the obvious; a little country that is flat broke cannot afford such pie-in-the sky policies of low tax/high spend balderdash.

[C. Flower]

With UK fees up through the roof, how are people managing to get to college?

Someone on the radio mentioned that there are degrees taught in the English language in Scandinavia and other places in Europe, at low or zero fees.

[Apjp]

With UK fees up through the roof, how are people managing to get to college?

Someone on the radio mentioned that there are degrees taught in the English language in Scandinavia and other places in Europe, at low or zero fees.

Might be an idea for the kids if you fancy emigrating to scandinavia or europe so. Nobody applying for a grant has the money to send their kids to school in Denmark or Norway. Places like Germany and France though are very practical considering what languages we learn and have very cheap student accommodation. You could survive for about 650 euros a month in France and maybe on 400-500 euros a month in some parts of Germany. I'd say you would need at least 800 euros a month to survive in Dublin. Germans often go to college as working students in jobs related to their degrees. Couldn't we fund some study abroad the same way Greenland does? If we're all to be brought up for export may as well do it right.

[C. Flower]

Might be an idea for the kids if you fancy emigrating to scandinavia or europe so. Nobody applying for a grant has the money to send their kids to school in Denmark or Norway. Places like Germany and France though are very practical considering what languages we learn and have very cheap student accommodation. You could survive for about 650 euros a month in France and maybe on 400-500 euros a month in some parts of Germany. I'd say you would need at least 800 euros a month to survive in Dublin. Germans often go to college as working students in jobs related to their degrees. Couldn't we fund some study abroad the same way Greenland does? If we're all to be brought up for export may as well do it right.

And come back with a degree to Ireland - import business

What I hadn't realised is that there are degrees in non-English speaking EU states taught in English.

[fluffybiscuits]

Might be an idea for the kids if you fancy emigrating to scandinavia or europe so. Nobody applying for a grant has the money to send their kids to school in Denmark or Norway. Places like Germany and France though are very practical considering what languages we learn and have very cheap student accommodation. You could survive for about 650 euros a month in France and maybe on 400-500 euros a month in some parts of Germany. I'd say you would need at least 800 euros a month to survive in Dublin. Germans often go to college as working students in jobs related to their degrees. Couldn't we fund some study abroad the same way Greenland does? If we're all to be brought up for export may as well do it right.

Plus most of the PhD's done in Germany are dont in industry. While they are working and reserching the companies pay them whereas here a lot of people remain in colleges and universities.

You could get by on €800 a month in Dublin. Rent a room for €400 a month, bills come to €100,food €150 a month and the rest on incidentals It would mean living on a shoestring but a person could live still on it. They would ahve to be in shared accommodation though.

[C. Flower]

UCC's Finance Officer says "students will have to pay in future."

UK fees are up to around €9,000.00

Student loans from banks and Credit Unions are much harder to come by.

Are we facing a collapse in levels of higher education in Ireland ?

[DCon]

Good info for any parents out there

Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland offer free tuition for EU students on all undergraduate and some Master’s and PhD programmes. In the Netherlands, students pay around €1,700 per year, while state universities in Austria, Germany and Switzerland charge under €1,500, much less than the €2,250 registration fee required by Irish colleges.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323694309.html

A little known fact too is that University is free in Scotland for EU students, but not for English or Welsh. Because Scottish students go free, that right has to be extended to EU students but not other British ones.