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    Some speculation this morning that the U.S. cyber-terminated last night's (ET) North Korean missile test, which was clearly aimed at taunting Trump, but belly-flopped.


    The spectacular anticlimax to the frightening brinksmanship between Kim and Trump makes the former look horribly incompetent and Trump yet again a lot more skillful internationally than he's generally given credit for.


    Some people will be convinced that the message of the abortive launch demonstrates that North Korea has a much longer road to an ICBM that can strike the continental U.S.


    Many more will suspect that — as the Trump administration threatened leading up to the abortive launch — it was not going to permit Kim to detonate a sixth nuclear test, and that it fulfilled its words. ...


    All in all, a win for Trump, and at least for the moment a pause in the most fraught foreign policy crisis of his early presidency.


    Taking a longer view ... Trump now arguably has three straight big wins, all on the international stage: In quick succession, he has stood up to Assad, to Putin, and now — it will appear to many — Kim.


    Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former U.K. foreign secretary, speaking to the BBC today and quoted in The Telegraph of London: "It could have failed because the system is not competent enough to make it work, but there is a very strong belief that the US — through cyber methods — has been successful on several occasions in interrupting these sorts of tests and making them fail."


    Key point, from N.Y. Times' story (which runs on p. A9 in the final!):


    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un "is acutely aware that the threat that he could soon possess — a missile that could strike the continental United States — is Washington's biggest concern, and both the number and the variety of missiles he showed on Saturday seemed to be sending the message that a pre-emptive strike against his facilities would be fruitless."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Understood, and I agree with your other points.

    Watched a great interview last night with Mike Morrell former deputy and acting director of the CIA on the issue.

    Think it won't be online until Monday evening. Will post it then.
    Here you go. Worth the 34 minutes. Deals with what we know, don't know, and think, and the options flowing from that.


    https://charlierose.com/videos/30381?autoplay=true
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    Chyna puts it's air force on high alert.......


    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politi...h-korea-china/
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    All 100 US Senators have been invited to a WH briefing on NK tomorrow. Briefing to be given by Secs State, Defense, and Chair Joint Chiefs.
    Not sure if it's for show, pressure on ChYna NK, etc. or if it is softening the ground in case the sit spirals.
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    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    The US presumably aims at a situation in which it is sole nuclear power and can disable missiles by cyber attack, or else knock them out of the sky with its Star Wars anti-ballistic missile 'shields'.
    We have seen how effectively cyber war and assassination of scientists was employed against Iran.

    Does it not also present the spectre that other states may develop cyber capacities making all of that redundant, without having to arm themselves as nuclear powers ?

    That is if we live long enough to reach that happy day....
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    The US presumably aims at a situation in which it is sole nuclear power and can disable missiles by cyber attack, or else knock them out of the sky with its Star Wars anti-ballistic missile 'shields'.
    We have seen how effectively cyber war and assassination of scientists was employed against Iran.

    Does it not also present the spectre that other states may develop cyber capacities making all of that redundant, without having to arm themselves as nuclear powers ?

    That is if we live long enough to reach that happy day....
    Don't think that is accurate at all. There are already ten N powers with Iran knocking on the door, and Japan two turns of a screwdriver away. US doesn't have the capacity to denuke the world, and even if it did, it would likely be so expensive as to be unaffordable.

    The record of the Star Wars defense in tests has been less than 50% successful.
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    Seoul Is Still Defenseless Against Kim's Missiles | After weeks of saber rattling by Trump, the South Korean capital is still vulnerable to a missile attack from its northern neighbor. While the U.S. military started installing its new Thaad missile defense system overnight, it won't be ready until later this year. It also turns out Trump's ``armada'' won't be able to help defend Seoul because the aircraft carrier strike group doesn't have the capability to shoot down North Korea's missiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Seoul Is Still Defenseless Against Kim's Missiles | After weeks of saber rattling by Trump, the South Korean capital is still vulnerable to a missile attack from its northern neighbor. While the U.S. military started installing its new Thaad missile defense system overnight, it won't be ready until later this year. It also turns out Trump's ``armada'' won't be able to help defend Seoul because the aircraft carrier strike group doesn't have the capability to shoot down North Korea's missiles.
    The problem with "missile defense systems" is that they are generally perceived as part of the necessary set up for carrying out a "first strike" without fear of the consequences.
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    Let's try something different. Smart move. May be able to get NK to stop going forward. Getting them to roll back will be much more difficult.

    FOR YOUR RADAR -- "In an apparent shift, Tillerson says U.S. willing to hold direct talks with N. Korea," by WaPo's Anne Gearan: "The Trump administration is willing to bargain directly with North Korea over ending its nuclear weapons program, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Thursday, an apparent shift in policy aimed at strengthening international resolve against what the Trump administration considers a growing menace. 'Obviously, that will be the way we would like to solve this,' Tillerson said in an interview with NPR scheduled to air Friday, when the United States is convening an unusual high-level meeting at the United Nations devoted to the threat posed by North Korea's nuclear weapons arsenal. 'But North Korea has to decide they're ready to talk to us about the right agenda, and the right agenda is not simply stopping where they are for a few more months or a few more years and then resuming things. That's been the agenda for the last 20 years.'" http://wapo.st/2qdBQEB
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    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n10/bruce-...tent=ukrw_subs

    I strongly recommend reading the Bruce Cummings article in the LRB which cuts through the racist mainstream line on S Korea .
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n10/bruce-...tent=ukrw_subs

    I strongly recommend reading the Bruce Cummings article in the LRB which cuts through the racist mainstream line on S Korea .
    Which racist line is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Very interesting. Pressures of the cold war on North Korea, with the drive to produce nuclear weapons in response the US, was a problem - the same thing happened with the USSR.

    More on the profound impacts of the famine here.

    http://www.dailynk.com/english/read....02900&num=5238

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn8IGvr6ma8"]Jamadang Market in North Korea I - YouTube[/ame]
    What would be the response of China, Russia and both Koreas if the US allows Japan to use the lame excuse to develop nuclear weapons for defence against China and Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    What would be the response of China, Russia and both Koreas if the US allows Japan to use the lame excuse to develop nuclear weapons for defence against China and Russia?
    China would probably get very upset and try to provoke some territorial issues. Russia might know some people with a few for sale.

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    Trump is threatening North Korea with military action, following yesterday's successful ballistic missile test from the North, of a missile that could reach the US mainland. "Hostile States, Syria and Iran" also got a mention.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKBN19R02Q

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ys-nikki-haley
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