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    It seems the DPRK has agreed to halt uranium testing and shut down its reactor in Yongbyon, allowing inspections by the IAEA, in return for 240,000 tonnes of food aid, which some have speculated will lead to renewal of the Six-Party talks on de-nuclearisation of the Korean peninsula and decrease tensions in the region. Perhaps it will, but the succession process destabilises that prospect, although reports suggest that the key bodies of the state (the NSA (secret police), the KPA (the army) and WKP (ruling party)) have made some headway in getting acceptance of Jong-Un's rule among cadres and the upper classes, who have no choice but to rely on him to protect their privilieged positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    There were no Americans in Korea, picnicking or otherwise. They have left in 1948 after they have liberated the country from Japanese occupation.
    This is absolutely incorrect historically. Korea was liberated from the Japanese long before a single US boot hit the ground there. What they did do on arrival, however, was refuse to recognise the governing structures the Koreans had put into place and instead put back intp power Japanese collaborators. Korea was liberated on Aug. 15. The US did not arrive until September 8th.

    General Abe Nobuyuki, the last Japanese Governor-General of Korea, had been in contact with a number of influential Koreans since the beginning of August 1945 to prepare the hand-over of power. On August 15, 1945, Lyuh Woon-Hyung, a moderate left-wing politician, agreed to take over. He was in charge of preparing the creation of a new country and worked hard to build governmental structures. On September 6, 1945, a congress of representatives was convened in Seoul. The foundation of a modern Korean state took place just three weeks after Japan's capitulation. The government was predominantly left wing; many of those who had resisted Japanese rule identified with Communism's views on imperialism and colonialism.

    On September 7, 1945, General MacArthur announced that Lieutenant General John R. Hodge was to administer Korean affairs, and Hodge landed in Incheon with his troops the next day. The "Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea" sent a delegation with three interpreters, but he refused to meet with them.

    With their focus overwhelmingly being on Japan, the American military authorities paid much less attention to Korea and soldiers generally did not want to be assigned there. While Japan was put under the administration of civilians, Korea was placed under the direct administration of military units. Little changed in the administration of the country; officials then serving under the Japanese authorities remained in their positions. The Japanese governor was not dismissed until the middle of September and many Japanese officials stayed in office until 1946. These decisions angered most Koreans since these same Japanese had helped exploit Koreans. Adding to this anger was the American military's choice to give many governmental positions to Koreans who had betrayed their country by collaborating with the Japanese rulers.
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    North Korea are preparing to test fire a missile. Japan are taking measures to defend themselves, if necessary

    Japan's Kyodo reported that the upcoming North Korean missile launch has entered a "full-fledged state of action." While not immediately clear what this means, it is not all that surprising: after all this is precisely what Un has said he would do, and so he will. What is more important is that according to VOA Japan is now actively preparing for "countermeasures" and is "preparing for contingencies" should the missile veer off course. Because if Fukushima taught us something is that gusts of wind around Japan always somehow point toward Tokyo. To wit: "The Japanese parliament has approved a resolution condemning North Korea's planned missile launch, and the country is also preparing contingencies should the missile veer off course and pose a threat to Japan. Speaking in Tokyo Friday, Defense Minister Naoki Tanaka said the Japanese military will be prepared for any eventuality. Tanaka says he is ordering officials to prepare deployment of PAC-3 surface-to-air missiles and Aegis destroyers carrying a state-of-the-art anti-missile system that could attempt to shoot down the rocket."
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    Interesting. From what I understand, the missile test is taking place in the West Sea of Korea (ie, the Yellow Sea) and is aimed away from Japan.
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    Kim watching the recent rocket launch, smoking.
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    It was a stroke of luck for Kim Jong-Un that he pulled this one off before 2013- the promises to create a 'strong and prosperous nation', which were made by Kim Jong-Il for a number of years prior to the 2012 centenary fo Kim Il-Sung, needed an achievement like this for the regime to credit to the new leader and to present as a national triumph to the people, who have seen little economic improvement in the last year and few changes besides attempts to stamp out the black market, in which many North Koreans are forced to make a living since the collapse of the Public Distribution System.

    In other news, it appears the next generation of the KIm family may soon be announced.

    http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC...-pictures-show
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    There's a difference of terrain- the Iraqi army and the Libyans were fighting in areas with little effective cover against air-raids, whereas the North Koreans have dug their artillery into hardened and concealed bunkers in the mountains along the DMZ and their ground forces are well concealed too. Alot of tanks have been dug into tunnels, and the whole length of the border is mined on both sides, with the North Koreans deploying illegal anti-personnel lasers too in places. North Korea's terrain is quite defendable because of the mountains and rivers, and airpower and armour won't be as effective against such a numerically large foe operating with alot of fire support out of fortified positions, and relying on huge supply stockpiles (the army is estimated to have enough food stockpiled to last for 500 days of combat, and similar levels of fuel and ammunition reserves). The US and ROK would win such a war, but it would cause them horrendous casualties and need a huge commitment of resources.
    The ROK plan to purchase and deploy over a thousand new ballistic and cruise missiles at a cost of $2 billion in the next 5 years. These would be aimed at specific North Korean missile launchers and artillery positions. In the event of a war, the South Korean missiles would be quickly launched and every North Korean missile or artillery weapon destroyed would mean less destruction in South Korean territory. The missiles range was suppose to be limited to 300km by international treaty but the US agreed to allow them to extend the range to 800km. Everyone knows the North Korea plan has always been to start any future war with an enormous bombardment by shells, rockets, and missiles. Most would be aimed at Seoul due to its high population density and importance to SK moral.

    ROK already moved half its ATACMS missiles stockpile near the border, these are laser guided and have a range of 165km with cluster warheads.


    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    The North Korean airforce is large, but mostly aging ineffective models, they only have 30-40 modern aircraft, though there was a mission about 9-10 years ago where they successfully intercepted a US spy plane over the Sea of Japan which military analysts say showed good intelligence, radar and effective command control. It's been suffering from a serious lack of flying time though (fuel shortages), and as most of its planes are junk, much of it will be shot out of the air pretty quickly (though its sheer size will be a nightmare in logistical terms and also mean alot of mopping up, as it has between 1,600 and 1,700 planes in its inventory).
    The North tried overhauling its Airforce last year but Russia and China turned them down so no real alternative for aircraft. The ROK analyised Intel from the Yeonpyeong Island Incident when the North fired on the South without informing the rest of the Norths forces. The performance of the North's Airforce was terrible with several planes crashing or involved in near misses with Command running around like headless chickens while trying to scrabble forces into the air. With the exception of ten MiG-29s, the North Korean air force consists of several hundred Cold War era Russian and Chinese warplanes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    It was a stroke of luck for Kim Jong-Un that he pulled this one off before 2013- the promises to create a 'strong and prosperous nation', which were made by Kim Jong-Il for a number of years prior to the 2012 centenary fo Kim Il-Sung, needed an achievement like this for the regime to credit to the new leader and to present as a national triumph to the people, who have seen little economic improvement in the last year and few changes besides attempts to stamp out the black market, in which many North Koreans are forced to make a living since the collapse of the Public Distribution System.
    It also allowed the North to hide the fact that they reopened the Chinese border which they had closed unannounced early on the 5th Dec for the December 7-18 mourning period for Kim Jong Il after protests from the public when food supplies started to dry up. Some parts of the country didn't even see the victory broadcasts due the constant electricity blackouts.

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    The U.S. and China have reached a deal on a new set of sanctions against North Korea in response for its banned test of a nuclear weapon last month.
    The resolution, which will enforce some existing sanctions and include new ones, will be introduced at a U.N. Security Council meeting on Tuesday. China has already voted for three sets of sanctions against its reclusive ally for its past nuclear tests and ballistic missile launches, both banned by the Security Council.
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    North Korea threatening to tear up the 1953 armistice agreement on Monday, setting the stage for a possible resumption of hostilities................

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...04d7351e6c6881

    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — The armistice that ended the Korean War in 1953 is, at best, a fragile thing: The countries overseeing it have formally accused each other of more than 1.2 million violations.
    But North Korea's threat to scrap the ceasefire on Monday still matters because the armistice is the key document blocking hostilities on the Korean Peninsula, which technically has remained in a state of war for six decades.
    If North Korea follows through on its threat to nullify the document that set up the heavily armed buffer zone between the rival Koreas, it could drive badly frayed relations even lower. The threat comes as diplomats at the U.N. negotiate sanctions aimed at punishing Pyongyang for its recent nuclear test and as allies Washington and Seoul plan massive war games set to start Monday.
    The NK regime is clearly feeling the pressure of further isolation, with even its one and only ally China increasingly turning away from supporting Pyongyang. It's like they want a war with the international community.

    But Seoul is finally starting to respond, quite rightly, in kind.............

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    SEOUL, South Korea — The South Korean military warned on Wednesday that if provoked by North Korea, it would strike the North’s “command leadership,” in a sharp escalation of a war of words between the two Koreas that hinted at a direct attack on the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.
    The truth is there can never really be peace with such a psychotic, nuclear armed state like North Korea. They are a threat to international stability and need to be brought to heel. War may be inevitable, but the North Korean regime will have only itself to blame.

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    Another day, another series of provocative threats from the great Workers Republic (sic)..........

    (Reuters) - North Korea threatened the United States on Thursday with a preemptive nuclear strike, raising the level of rhetoric while the U.N. Security Council considers new sanctions against the reclusive country.

    North Korea has accused the United States of using military drills in South Korea as a launch pad for a nuclear war and said it will scrap the armistice with Washington that ended hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War.

    "Since the United States is about to ignite a nuclear war, we will be exercising our right to preemptive nuclear attack against the headquarters of the aggressor in order to protect our supreme interest," the North's foreign ministry spokesman said in a statement carried by the official KCNA news agency.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9260BR20130307

    The North's leadership has clearly gone insane! They must know surely that any attack on the US or South Korea would signal the end of their prison state? I feel the time for sanctions may be coming to an end. Tough action from the UN is now needed against the Kim dynasty.

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    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Kim and wife in rumour-scotching news item.

    The presentation is quite extraordinary - it seems to be sung.

    Skip through a short dull item on Banksy first

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/video?vid=1.1555026
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    Another option for Trump in an attempt to get ChYna to engage on the issue, would be to threaten to pull all 38,000 US troops out of South Korea. If that were to happen. SK would want their own nukes, as would Japan which is believed to be only two screws away, could do it almost overnight. ChYna would not be a happy camper with two new nuclear powers on it's doorstep.

    ON THE KOREAN PENINSULA -- "Trump's Options for North Korea Include Placing Nukes in South Korea," by NBC News' William M. Arkin, Cynthia McFadden, Kevin Monahan and Robert Windrem: "The National Security Council has presented President Trump with options to respond to North Korea's nuclear program -- including putting American nukes in South Korea or killing dictator Kim Jong-un, multiple top-ranking intelligence and military officials told NBC News. ... The first and most controversial course of action under consideration is placing U.S. nuclear weapons in South Korea. The U.S. withdrew all nuclear weapons from South Korea 25 years ago. Bringing back bombs -- likely to Osan Air Base, less than 50 miles south of the capital of Seoul -- would mark the first overseas nuclear deployment since the end of the Cold War, an unquestionably provocative move." http://nbcnews.to/2npMlqN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Another option for Trump in an attempt to get ChYna to engage on the issue, would be to threaten to pull all 38,000 US troops out of South Korea. If that were to happen. SK would want their own nukes, as would Japan which is believed to be only two screws away, could do it almost overnight. ChYna would not be a happy camper with two new nuclear powers on it's doorstep.
    i think this is our only option

    it may please those that believe you don't need a global 'policeman' in geopolitical terms

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