Public sector pay and the Croke Park Agreement

[DCon]

Might be time for a Hampden Park Agreement in Scotland

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

[quote=Baron von Biffo;274996]

PS workers were the first to be targeted by government for a hammering when Lenny the Liar twice savaged their pay.

When you say 'savaged their pay' do you mean their take-home pay was cut or was there a cut to future terms and conditions? In a sector already massively overpaid?

Back then they got absolutely no public support, in fact the passport office work to rule gave rise to very nasty attacks in the media and online.

How many redundancies were there in the public and civil service as opposed to redundancies in the private sector?

It was only because the union leadership was so very weak that workers were rail-roaded into Croke Park in the first place and that leadership hasn't improved since then.

Why wasn't that union leadership ousted? Was it because public and civil service workers assumed CPA was the ringfencing that would see them escape the worst of the recession?

After 3 years of relentless and unchallenged anti-PS propaganda even otherwise intelligent people believe the ***** about a PS pay premium and Croke Park as a good deal for public servants. We're about to sleepwalk into the destruction of our public services.

Ireland as a country could not justify employing one in five in the population in the civil and public service prior to the economic crisis never mind after it.

The public will cheer to the heavens as the pay of teachers, nurses, administrators and all the rest is slashed again. Then in a few years time the same clowns will whinge about having to spend thousands on private education, private health etc because the PS will only be able to attract the dross.

As opposed to now? People are having to pay now and have been paying through their taxes and at the point of service already. Free education and free medical care went by the wayside some years back.

By then it will be too late to do anything about it.

Whatever justification there might have been for massive employment in the state sector if you were running a free-at-point-of-service medical and education system there is none now.

The time for agitation by civil and public sector workers and their unions was five years ago. In tandem with the private sector workers. That boat has sailed.

You didn't actually think that the IMF/ECB were going to wear the Irish Government protecting a massive state sector in relative terms in Ireland just out of respect for the Irish patronage system did you?

I think a lot in the civil and public service thought just that. They will shortly find out that this was an incorrect assumption.

Talk about grievances when the redundancy fairy comes to town.

[Baron von Biffo]

PrimeTime on Croke Park now.

[Baron von Biffo]

'The private sector creates the wealth' - Businessman unashamed to reach for cliché even when they're manifestly idiotic.

[Baron von Biffo]

Crowley should ask Eddie Molloy why workers would sign up to a new deal if the current one isn't honoured by the government.

[Baron von Biffo]

Nunan is one of the most effective union communicators around these days.

[riposte]

Yeah ........ she's the biggest bully on the block.

[riposte]

Nunan said the word "unfair" .... and her tounge didn't fall out.

[DCon]

Might be time for a Hampden Park Agreement in Scotland

army put on strike alert across the Sea

If there is a prolonged strike there it could spill over to here

[Baron von Biffo]

army put on strike alert

Around 300k in the PS and around 10k in the defence forces.

The soldiers will be busy processing passports in between emptying bedpans, teaching Leaving Cert Poetry, scheduling court cases, inspecting meat plants, operating power stations and sweeping the streets.

[Baron von Biffo]

5,000 local authority staff are working more hours for no extra pay.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...rs-207256.html

We should seize their pensions.

[DCon]

5,000 local authority staff are working more hours for no extra pay.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...rs-207256.html

We should seize their pensions.

more being 65 minutes a week or 60 minutes a week.

forgive my heart for not bleeding

In Galway County Council, staff worked 32 hours and 55 minutes a week, while in four other councils, — Clare, Meath, Galway City and Limerick City — staff worked 33 hours a week.

Staff at city and county councils will work a minimum 34-hour week from next March following the recommendation, while all new staff will work a minimum of 35 hours a week.

[Baron von Biffo]

more being 65 minutes a week or 60 minutes a week.

forgive my heart for not bleeding

PS workers are now so despised that even when they work one week a year for nothing it's dismissed with derision.

[DCon]

PS workers are now so despised that even when they work one week a year for nothing it's dismissed with derision.

it is their option to quit and let an unemployed person work a 35 hour work week

nobody has a gun to their head forcing them to work 34hours a week

[C. Flower]

I don't think this government is capable of dealing with pay in a fair manner.