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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Tarhouni, who we discussed a while ago - is gone from government ...
    That was great news. Washington's man. If they can get him on a plane back to the US it will be even better.

    What exactly is supposed to be the Qatari agenda in Libya that all these people are murmering about but not exactly spelling out?

    If anyone knows I'd be obliged if they might share it with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    That was great news. Washington's man. If they can get him on a plane back to the US it will be even better.

    What exactly is supposed to be the Qatari agenda in Libya that all these people are murmering about but not exactly spelling out?

    If anyone knows I'd be obliged if they might share it with us.
    Good question.

    It is an extremely wealthy state, due to its oil.

    Wealthiest in the world, in fact. Also, the home of US Central Command.

    http://www.arabianbusiness.com/tiny-...cy-423514.html

    Washington's man seems to intend to stick around to contest the elections. Perhaps he'll play Democrats to the Republican incumbents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Good question.

    It is an extremely wealthy state, due to its oil.

    Wealthiest in the world, in fact. Also, the home of US Central Command.

    http://www.arabianbusiness.com/tiny-...cy-423514.html
    It plays a double game all the time. Close ally of the US but also has very good relations with Iran. Closely connected as well to the likes of Hamas and Hizbollah. Promotes revolution and democracy abroad while being ruled as a family fiefdom. It seems to be disliked by the pro western elements in the TNC in Libya because they believe it to be arming the Islamists. I'm not sure why the pro west are whinging so much because the Islamists appear to have been entirely sidelined for the moment. Certainly in the current government.
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    Post War Libya? When was there a War there?

    In many of the news reports i seen there were groups of armed men firing shots in the air. At any of those scenes reporters relied on the sound of gunfire in neighbouring districts to state that ''Heavy fighting'' was occurring. How do we know it was'nt a similar group firing into the air?

    It was a farce. Everything about the situation culmanating in the street slaughter of Gaddafi was misdirection.

    Where is it [Libya] going post Gaddafi? Were the West directs it.
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    Post War Libya? When was there a War there?

    In many of the news reports i seen there were groups of armed men firing shots in the air. At any of those scenes reporters relied on the sound of gunfire in neighbouring districts to state that ''Heavy fighting'' was occurring. How do we know it was'nt a similar group firing into the air?

    It was a farce. Everything about the situation culmanating in the street slaughter of Gaddafi was misdirection.

    Where is it [Libya] going post Gaddafi? Were the West directs it.
    Well there was several issues, Gaddafi strafing, bombing and shelling cities was a stupid despotic move on his part.....his on camera rape/violation with a metal object, prior to his murder a final warning to all who stand in the way of western interests.......and now....Libya becomes a glove puppet for the West until the civil war actually starts ....and it will start that is assured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Post War Libya? When was there a War there?

    In many of the news reports i seen there were groups of armed men firing shots in the air. At any of those scenes reporters relied on the sound of gunfire in neighbouring districts to state that ''Heavy fighting'' was occurring. How do we know it was'nt a similar group firing into the air?

    It was a farce. Everything about the situation culmanating in the street slaughter of Gaddafi was misdirection.

    Where is it [Libya] going post Gaddafi? Were the West directs it.
    Not entirely, but there was a massive amount of fiction: constant announcement of captures and conquests days or even weeks before they took place. Videos of Tripoli that were Benghazi.

    There was a war. Heavy and protracted bombing did take place. And defections from the Government and army. And a certain amount of fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Korps View Post
    Well there was several issues, Gaddafi strafing, bombing and shelling cities was a stupid despotic move on his part.....his on camera rape/violation with a metal object, prior to his murder a final warning to all who stand in the way of western interests.......and now....Libya becomes a glove puppet for the West until the civil war actually starts ....and it will start that is assured.
    When and where did Gaddafi bomb a city ?

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    When and where did Gaddafi bomb a city ?
    Never. He was a gentleman and a scholar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Never. He was a gentleman and a scholar.
    Misrata was shelled.

    Bombing implies an aerial attack. So far as I know, they were all carried out by NATO, at the cost of tens of thousands of lives.

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    Misrata was shelled.

    Bombing implies an aerial attack. So far as I know, they were all carried out by NATO, at the cost of tens of thousands of lives.
    40 years of being the dictator should have been enough for him. If he had had the decency to step aside when the people demanded it instead of unleashing his army and thugs on them then no one would have been killed.

    But of course dictators never have enough. And Saif had to have his rightful inheritance.

    But we can't blame him for anything. That's not PC in certain circles. He was an anti-imperialist after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Not entirely, but there was a massive amount of fiction: constant announcement of captures and conquests days or even weeks before they took place. Videos of Tripoli that were Benghazi.

    There was a war. Heavy and protracted bombing did take place. And defections from the Government and army. And a certain amount of fighting.
    Massive amounts of fiction, misinformation, confusion, defections and ''certain amounts of fighting'' paint a picture of war but not as we know it.

    Quote...David Cameron’s decision to place Britain in the vanguard of efforts to
    topple the Gaddafi regime is dictated by the same considerations which led Tony
    Blair and Gordon Brown to embrace that same regime – a desire to maintain
    BP’s profitable access to Libyan oil. Unquote.

    Also [Quote] The decision to attack Libya and impose regime change – for that is what the UN resolution means – may have been authorised by the Security Council.

    But it was instigated by the despots of the Arab League, desperate to secure deeper western involvement in the region to save them from their own peoples.

    And it will be implemented by the same powers which have wreaked such mayhem
    throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds over the last ten years and longer.[unquote] http://warisacrime.org/content/stop-...tion-war-libya

    It's like a game of Chess. Only, the people on the ground are the expendable pawns in this sick game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    40 years of being the dictator should have been enough for him. If he had had the decency to step aside when the people demanded it instead of unleashing his army and thugs on them then no one would have been killed.

    But of course dictators never have enough. And Saif had to have his rightful inheritance.

    But we can't blame him for anything. That's not PC in certain circles. He was an anti-imperialist after all.
    So its NATO that's anti-Imperialist ??????

    When the massed forces of the big powers hammer the hell out of a post-colonial/semi colonial state, the personality of its ruler is hardly the main consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    When the massed forces of the big powers hammer the hell out of a post-colonial/semi colonial state, the personality of its ruler is hardly the main consideration.
    Only when his actions provide a pretext and a justification. He should have just gone when the people demanded it. All the subsequent deaths can be attributed to his refusal to do this and to unleashing his army on the Libyan people. He thought he had a divine right to rule but learned his lesson in the end. He met a fitting end imo. Assad next. Then the waves will be lapping at the shores of the KIngdom and the Gulf States. Roll on the Arab Spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    40 years of being the dictator should have been enough for him. If he had had the decency to step aside when the people demanded it instead of unleashing his army and thugs on them then no one would have been killed.

    But of course dictators never have enough. And Saif had to have his rightful inheritance.

    But we can't blame him for anything. That's not PC in certain circles. He was an anti-imperialist after all.
    Rich to send foreign democracies like GB and the USA to put manners on any regime.
    Bloody Sunday, Project MK-ULTRA, the ''smart bombing'' of over 35,000 innocent civilians in the days leading up to ground troops in Iraq.
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    It plays a double game all the time. Close ally of the US but also has very good relations with Iran. Closely connected as well to the likes of Hamas and Hizbollah. Promotes revolution and democracy abroad while being ruled as a family fiefdom. It seems to be disliked by the pro western elements in the TNC in Libya because they believe it to be arming the Islamists. I'm not sure why the pro west are whinging so much because the Islamists appear to have been entirely sidelined for the moment. Certainly in the current government.
    In what way a double game ?

    A straight-forward US proxy, surely.

    http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...Gulf/2011/6/27

    The United States should continue to be limited and careful in the ways that it relates to these events. Other nations, including small but wealthy Qatar and the UAE, have already stepped forward to help the Libyan rebels with finances, weapons, supplies, and training in the absence of U.S. efforts to dominate the crisis. It remains likely that U.S. regional allies can play more productive roles than the United States itself can in a region that is deeply sensitive about U.S. military intervention.

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