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    http://www.channel4.com/news/msf-sus...torture-claims

    Medecins sans Frontieres have pulled out of Misurata, where they have been since the start of the conflict last year, because they say that they have treated more than 115 victims of torture from the Detention Centres, only to have to hand them back for more torture.

    The fighting at Bani Walid started also reportedly because of an incident of torture.

    The militia and authorities at Misurata are also implicated in a pogrom against a neighbouring black town that left it completely depopulated. There have been reports of rapes and abductions of black women from a refugee/detention camp outside Tripoli. Amnesty International also reports deaths of Gaddafi supporters in detention, since the end of the conflict. Gaddafi and his sons' death in captivity it seems were not unique.

    A number of anti-Gaddafi activists have reported being harrassed by the militias. It seems that people in Bani Walid want to get on with life, but are being harrassed by a militia.

    The political character of some of the militias it appears may be more or less fascist.
    Director of operations for MSF Dr Bart Janssens, based in Brussels, told Channel 4 News the situation in Misrata's prisons was "very shocking".
    "We were patching people up who had clearly been tortured, only for them to be tortured again. This is completely unacceptable," he added.
    MSF says that on 3 January 2012 doctors treated a group of 14 detainees returning from an interrogation centre located outside the detention facilities. It claims nine of the 14 detainees suffered numerous injuries and displayed obvious signs of having been tortured.
    Dr Janssens also said that torture was being carried out on detainees' old war wounds: "MSF is not organisation that unusually works in prisons.
    "Here there was clear justification but seeing war wounds be used for torture is obviously very shocking for any medical practitioner."
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    Drifting towards a Somalian-type situation ? Or worse?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...to-France.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Drifting towards a Somalian-type situation ? Or worse?


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...to-France.html

    Yeah Cactus ..... and all thanks the United Nations.
    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WdpI23Ila0"]Plus ça change...[/ame]

    Footage of captured mercenaries suspected of fighting for Gaddafi regime is posted on YouTube

    A shocking video that appears to show Libyan rebels torturing a group of sub-Saharan African detainees has appeared on YouTube.

    The footage shows a dozen or so men - presumably captured mercenaries suspected of fighting for the toppled government of Muammur Gaddafi last year - held in what looks like a caged zoo enclosure.

    They each have their hands tied behind their back and are sat on the cage's dirty floor.

    More objectionably, each has the old Libyan flag stuffed into his mouth.

    While a crowd of men gather round the enclosure jeering, their prisoners are made to hop on the spot.

    The man filming the scene, who remains off-camera, can be heard shouting: 'Eat the flag, you dog. Patience you dog, patience. God is great.'

    It is impossible to verify whether the video, which was leaked onto YouTube last week, is genuine and where and when it was filmed.

    It has emerged as the UN this week said that the Libyan revolutionary brigades accused of torture still hold captive three-quarters of detainees from the country's civil war.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Casey View Post
    Plus ça change...

    Footage of captured mercenaries suspected of fighting for Gaddafi regime is posted on YouTube

    A shocking video that appears to show Libyan rebels torturing a group of sub-Saharan African detainees has appeared on YouTube.

    The footage shows a dozen or so men - presumably captured mercenaries suspected of fighting for the toppled government of Muammur Gaddafi last year - held in what looks like a caged zoo enclosure.

    They each have their hands tied behind their back and are sat on the cage's dirty floor.

    More objectionably, each has the old Libyan flag stuffed into his mouth.

    While a crowd of men gather round the enclosure jeering, their prisoners are made to hop on the spot.

    The man filming the scene, who remains off-camera, can be heard shouting: 'Eat the flag, you dog. Patience you dog, patience. God is great.'

    It is impossible to verify whether the video, which was leaked onto YouTube last week, is genuine and where and when it was filmed.

    It has emerged as the UN this week said that the Libyan revolutionary brigades accused of torture still hold captive three-quarters of detainees from the country's civil war.


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    and all thanks to that bunch of thugs .... styling itself The United Nations.
    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

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    Fun and desecration in a Cemetery

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17249426

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    Libyan "Heros" desecrate British war graves .... couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lubTLu_AnFA"]Desecration on UK Commonwealth World War Cemetery in Benghazi - YouTube[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    Libyan "Heros" desecrate British war graves .... couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

    Desecration on UK Commonwealth World War Cemetery in Benghazi - YouTube
    Brave lads ... kicking over headstones in a deserted cemetery while proclaiming God is Great

    Will they be as brave in footing the financial cost of their idiotic spree or else let the Libyan people pay for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    Brave lads ... kicking over headstones in a deserted cemetery while proclaiming God is Great

    Will they be as brave in footing the financial cost of their idiotic spree or else let the Libyan people pay for it
    The way that bunch of thugs The United Nations tells it .... they are the Libyan people.
    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    The way that bunch of thugs The United Nations tells it .... they are the Libyan people.
    Upon reflection however, humanity just repeats itself ... the urge for destruction is inherent

    Eg, 1916 - Cork from the Journal of the RSAI The owner of a field ... said that some years ago there were four gallans [standing stones] on his land close together. They were "in the form of a grave". He broke them with a hammer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    Upon reflection however, humanity just repeats itself ... the urge for destruction is inherent

    Eg, 1916 - Cork from the Journal of the RSAI The owner of a field ... said that some years ago there were four gallans [standing stones] on his land close together. They were "in the form of a grave". He broke them with a hammer
    I know what you mean Ah Well.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D-z6sTs3pU"]Buddha - Who Destroyed Buddha? - YouTube[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    I know what you mean Ah Well.

    Buddha - Who Destroyed Buddha? - YouTube
    Got it in one

    Destruction of the past (warts and all) is self destructive
    Last edited by Ah Well; 05-03-2012 at 12:32 AM.

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    There is a country-wide debate over federalism in Libya, with pro and anti federalists demonstrating. There was shooting yesterday in eastern Libya.

    http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/cl...ver-federalism

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    Mary Fitzgerald has been following the push to break up Libya, reporting from Libya for the Irish Times.

    She is on the Marian Finucane Show this morning.

    She is saying that Libyans are going to fight for the Syrian opposition.

    Disappointingly, she was not asked about Libya, the Libyan elections, and the drive from the NTC for federalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Mary Fitzgerald has been following the push to break up Libya, reporting from Libya for the Irish Times.

    She is on the Marian Finucane Show this morning.

    She is saying that Libyans are going to fight for the Syrian opposition.

    Disappointingly, she was not asked about Libya, the Libyan elections, and the drive from the NTC for federalism.
    Why would Federalism break up Libya? Why would Federalism be a bad thing?
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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