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    I'm opening this thread to follow post-war developments in Libya.

    Libya's new Cabinet of the National Transitional Council has been announced.

    Details are sparse enough so far. al-Kib appears to be trying to keep the regions with the strongest militias onside and also to appoint people with "technical" backgrounds.

    Libya's interim prime minister Abdel Rahim al-Kib has announced his new cabinet line-up, with two key posts going to ex-rebels, after it was approved by the ruling National Transitional Council.

    Kib gave the strategic defence ministry to Osama Juili, commander of the Zintan fighters who on Saturday captured Seif al-Islam, the prominent son of slain dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

    The interior ministry went to Fawzi Abdelal from the former rebel town of Misrata, whose fighters captured Gaddafi in October.

    Other key appointments announced include Abdelrahman bin Yazza to head the oil and gas ministry and Ashur bin Khayyal as interim foreign minister.

    Lawyer Fethi Tarbel, whose brief arrest on February 15 was the spark that set up a popular uprising against Gaddafi's regime in the eastern city of Benghazi, was named minister of youth and sport.

    Tarbel later joined the NTC.

    NTC vice chairman and official spokesman Abdel Hafiz Ghoga said the new government had the confidence of Libya's ruling body.
    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...123-1ntc9.html


    Libya, post war, is building an army - many members of which were until they deserted recently, part of the army under Gaddafi.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/wo...g-an-army.html

    Militias are asserting their power and control of territory.

    http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/a...ON01/711229989

    The new oil minister

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...22-713038.html



    TRIPOLI, Libya, Nov. 22 (UPI) -- Libyan cabinet members will be picked for competence, not politics, Libya's prime minister and Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said.

    "We will use competence as a basic measure, and this way we will be able to include all of Libya's regions -- you will see," Abdurrahim el-Keib said Monday at a news conference with Rice, who arrived in Tripoli earlier in the day in an unannounced visit one day before the cabinet members were to be named.

    The new cabinet of high-ranking government officials -- charged with transitioning the country to a constitutional democracy with an elected government, after 32 years of autocracy that critics say made many institutions meaningless -- will be "solid, cohesive [and] capable of doing the job," Keib said.

    The cabinet -- the transitional government's second but the first since ousted leader Moammar Gadhafi's capture and killing last month -- is expected to remain in place until the middle of next year, when it will be replaced by a Public National Conference and Constituent Assembly, officials said.

    The PNC is expected to elect a prime minister, the assembly is expected to draft the constitution, and the PNC is expected to oversee elections for a representative government, officials said.

    Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...#ixzz1eSw8pUit
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    To hell in a hand-basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holly View Post
    To hell in a hand-basket.
    Would you be able to flesh that out a bit? What exactly are you predicting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Would you be able to flesh that out a bit? What exactly are you predicting?
    The unfortunate people there have no tradition of democracy and no proper example of it in the Muslim world.
    The tribes are not united and their narrow loyalties will be exploited by those who have the backing of England and France and who, in turn, will have only one goal, to feather their own nests.
    This whole revolution thing was nothing more than a regime change with the backing of England and France.

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    http://twitpic.com/7iii55

    Front page of tomorrow's Independent "Libya's New Reign of Terror"

    - thousands of prisoners have disappeared / people locked up by the militias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    http://twitpic.com/7iii55

    Front page of tomorrow's Independent "Libya's New Reign of Terror"

    - thousands of prisoners have disappeared / people locked up by the militias.
    Another revolution devouring its children... what's new?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Another revolution devouring its children... what's new?
    Revolution it was not. The possibility of revolution was bombed out of it for a good while. They have a difficult road ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Revolution it was not. The possibility of revolution was bombed out of it for a good while.
    Ah now, de bombers were only protecting de civilians... stick to the facts please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Ah now, de bombers were only protecting de civilians... stick to the facts please.
    Between 40,000 and 50,000 dead, many more times that injured.

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    Some Irish interest:
    Dr Fatima Hamroush, an ophthalmologist based in Co Louth, is to Libya's new health minister.
    Fathi Akkari, a lecturer in Tallaght IT, is also to be offered a post in Libya's education ministry.
    Imagine leaving Libya and ending up in Louth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griska View Post
    Some Irish interest:


    Imagine leaving Libya and ending up in Louth.

    It will be a funny kind of a cabinet. It seems as though very few of them will know each other or have much in common.

    They will need to do a few party games to break the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It will be a funny kind of a cabinet. It seems as though very few of them will know each other or have much in common.

    They will need to do a few party games to break the ice.
    Well, yer one's Louth accent will probably have them rolling in the aisles.
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    Its going exactly where the 'rebels', Yanks, Brits & french knew, tearing itself apart,

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226206469194

    "THE treatment was inhuman," said Doctor Osama Mussa, as the prison guards around him looked uneasy.
    "They burnt people with cigarettes, beat their feet, hung men by their arms - look here," he said, showing dark swollen rings and scars around his and other prisoners' wrists and arms.

    "They put people in single cells. This man had his toenails pulled out," the jailed doctor said.

    Doctor Mussa's testimony makes uncomfortable listening, as it describes the treatment meted out not by Muammar Gaddafi loyalists, but by Libya's new Western-backed revolutionaries.

    It comes as the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon prepares to release a report on Monday that says 7000 pro-Gaddafi prisoners are languishing in Libya, often in makeshift private jails, without legal process. The UN has also expressed alarm at reports of abuse and torture. Dr Mussa made his claims yesterday, hijacking a tour organised to show how well prisoners in Khoms, 90km east of Tripoli, were being treated. Instead, the 34-year-old prominent local Gaddafi loyalist and other prisoners insisted they had suffered systematic abuse.

    ...The UN report says that many of those detained are black Africans, held because of their skin colour, following claims that Gaddafi used mercenaries recruited from sub-Saharan Africa. The report suggests that many of those in custody are simply economic migrants who held low-paid jobs in Libya and were caught up in the war.

    "Some detainees have reportedly been subjected to torture and ill treatment," the report said. It also cites "disturbing reports" of war crimes committed by revolutionary forces, as well as by fighters loyal to Gaddafi. At Khoms prison the conditions for prisoners appear to have dramatically improved a month ago, after a new committee of the revolutionary National Transitional Council was sent from Tripoli to take control.

    The prisoners said they now enjoyed good food and decent treatment from guards. Abdul Salaam, one of the new prison officers admitted: "We are all volunteers and we came 25 days ago. We heard that the prisoners were being badly treated before. Not all of them, but the ones well known as killers. We only beat one prisoner on his feet. That was because he said a very bad thing against God and we are Muslims." The standing of Libya's new National Transitional Council was badly damaged by last month's capture and extrajudicial killing of Gaddafi and his son Muatassim beamed around the world in grainy mobile phone camera footage.

    Human Rights Watch reported that a number of other wounded prisoners were also killed during that episode.

    On Wednesday, the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court supported Libya's right to try Saif al-Islam Gaddafi in spite of international concerns over whether he would have a fair trial. The dictator's second son was captured on Saturday in the south of the country.Prisons are holding large numbers of men, women and children from the town of Tawarga, which has a black-skinned population. They are accused of having participated in an organised campaign of rape and violence against the neighbouring city of Misratah during the war. Tawargans say that they were subject to racial prejudice.

    Libya's acting Justice Minister has submitted a draft law for transitional justice to the UN. It sets out a framework for establishing the truth of human rights violations in the war.

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    Things are looking up.

    We only beat one prisoner on his feet. That was because he said a very bad thing against God and we are Muslims."

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    Tarhouni, who we discussed a while ago - is gone from government and making a liberal democractic critique of the new "Transitional Government."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1112889.html

    Tarhouni, a former professor of economics and finance at the University of Washington, was one of the most visible and internationally respected faces of the Libyan revolutionary leadership that presided over the ouster of Moammar Gadhafi's regime.

    But he said he refused an offer to join Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib's transitional Cabinet, because he believes that those now in power are not representative. He accused them of being "supported from the outside by money, arms and PR."

    "The voices that we see now are the voices of the elite," he said....

    He said the countries who backed the rebellion have interests in Libya, "some which we know and some which we don't know." While he didn't elaborate, Tarhouni did not object when a journalist suggested that he was speaking about Qatar.

    The Gulf state was a leading Arab backer of the uprising that toppled Gadhafi's regime, providing warplanes to the NATO-led air campaign as well as direct help to the revolutionaries with arms and other equipment

    Tarhouni, who spoke several hours after el-Keib's new government was sworn in, said he felt relieved at finally being able to speak his mind freely.
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    Earlier this week, the chairman of Libya's National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, also indicated that Qatar was meddling in Libyan affairs.

    Tarhouni said that more than 90 percent of Libyans are not represented by this new leadership.

    "It is about time that we hear the true voices of the masses," he said.

    Tarhouni said he plans to spend the coming months giving lectures and speaking to young Libyans about democracy and the creation of civic institutions. He also said he would be preparing for the upcoming elections, without giving more details.
    In another sign of disappointment with the transitional leaders, about 200 men rallied in Tripoli's main square Friday evening to demand justice for about 15 soldiers killed two days earlier in an ambush by Gadhafi loyalists people rallying in Martyrs' Square held up photos of those killed and one banner said "Where is the army?"

    The protesters demanded that the transitional leadership find and punish those who carried out the attack near Bani Walid, one of the last two Gadhafi bastions to fight the revolutionary forces during the war.
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