Should we use the Eucharistic Congress 2012 as a point to show the Catholic Church they are not welcome?

[fluffybiscuits]

The Eucharistic Congress is due to be held here next year. There is a theme of communion with jesus and everyone else etc. Now this is going to be big, its a huge focal point with people coming here from all over the world which means we are going to have a huge audience. Should we use this as a point to show Ireland is tired of the catholic church and its actions and ideals? Perhaps a campaign of trying to persuade various institutions and places involved that they are lending their name to an organisation which is rife with church abuse. Perhaps a collection of pickets at seminars and their lectures around the country? Not too sure if the pope is coming but certainly would be an excellent opportunity to perhaps hold an alternative to it , the Athiest Congress of Ireland ?

http://www.iec2012.ie

[Holly]

If you pay any attention whatsoever to the Eucharistic Congress, you have already lost the argument.
Best disregard it completely.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Conflicted. On the one hand I think everyone attending that and seen creeping around Bishops are related events should have their photos taken and names checked against lists of civil service employees. These sort of events are useful to spot the bumlickers.

On the other hand it'll be funny watching RTE go into a self-flagellatory jesus-broadcast spasm.

[cdgalwegian]

Conflicted. On the one hand I think everyone attending that and seen creeping around Bishops are related events should have their photos taken and names checked against lists of civil service employees. These sort of events are useful to spot the bumlickers.

On the other hand it'll be funny watching RTE go into a self-flagellatory jesus-broadcast spasm.

Conflicted hits the mark.
Instinct- "Down with this sort of thing!" placards in front of huge mobile LCD screen, with changing images of Inquisition, vatican riches juxtaposed with poverty etc.
Cons- counterproductive "oxygen of publicity", Irish weather.....

[fluffybiscuits]

Conflicted. On the one hand I think everyone attending that and seen creeping around Bishops are related events should have their photos taken and names checked against lists of civil service employees. These sort of events are useful to spot the bumlickers.

On the other hand it'll be funny watching RTE go into a self-flagellatory jesus-broadcast spasm.

Actually Cptn your phrase there about the civil servants is a good one. It would be worthy to see what sort of TD's would attend such a ceremony and then the ULA target them in elections with an athiest/secular slant. "Look at what they are involved in etc."

I dont see anything conflicting about this at all to be honest. Its a chance for the Irish humanists among us to gather in number and perhaps interrupt such a religious love in. Even if we held our own sort of congress and invite athiests, humanists and secularists from around the world.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Well everyone saw the royaltylickers during Betty Two's high speed high security love-in in Ireland.

Its nice that Eoghan Harris got a chance to unfurl his tongue before he becomes as useful as he'll ever be to his country- as fertiliser. Wonder will he be buried at sea in a biscuit tin with a picture of Balmoral on the front. The dick.

[toxic avenger]

The Eucharistic Congress is due to be held here next year. There is a theme of communion with jesus and everyone else etc. Now this is going to be big, its a huge focal point with people coming here from all over the world which means we are going to have a huge audience. Should we use this as a point to show Ireland is tired of the catholic church and its actions and ideals? Perhaps a campaign of trying to persuade various institutions and places involved that they are lending their name to an organisation which is rife with church abuse. Perhaps a collection of pickets at seminars and their lectures around the country? Not too sure if the pope is coming but certainly would be an excellent opportunity to perhaps hold an alternative to it , the Athiest Congress of Ireland ?

http://www.iec2012.ie

You speak for Ireland? What about the hundreds of thousands who still call themselves Catholics? Are they not part of 'Ireland'? Or is it just the trendy liberal middle class part that counts?...

[toxic avenger]

Conflicted. On the one hand I think everyone attending that and seen creeping around Bishops are related events should have their photos taken and names checked against lists of civil service employees. These sort of events are useful to spot the bumlickers.

...

'Are you or have you ever been a Catholic. Answer the Committee's question!'...

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

They can call themselves whatever they like. If they are still trotting up to hand over money each week to Paedophile Protection Inc they are ethically retarded to say the least.

Besides the frantically catholic in Ireland are only about 3% and 7% of the population at most and no-one is threatening to take their middle eastern dummy away from them.

They've been imposing their bullying middle eastern horseshyte on the rest of the population for hundreds of years- now they can enjoy the suicide of their cult before their very eyes.

[fluffybiscuits]

You speak for Ireland? What about the hundreds of thousands who still call themselves Catholics? Are they not part of 'Ireland'? Or is it just the trendy liberal middle class part that counts?...

Oh so are they welcoming of it now? Do you think the falling mass attendance is so people can sit in quiet solitude and quiet admiration for a paedo protection ring? The hundreds of thousands who call themselves Catholics are completely apathetic to the church and its activities, all you have to do is to look at the article that come out in Alive! or the irish catholic whinging about the falling attendances. Do you sit at home beating your chest saying decades of the rosary ? If people are not a part of the solution , they are part of the problem, which one are you TA?

[toxic avenger]

They can call themselves whatever they like. If they are still trotting up to hand over money each week to Paedophile Protection Inc they are ethically retarded to say the least.

Besides the frantically catholic in Ireland are only about 3% and 7% of the population at most and no-one is threatening to take their middle eastern dummy away from them.

They've been imposing their bullying middle eastern horseshyte on the rest of the population for hundreds of years- now they can enjoy the suicide of their cult before their very eyes.

This narrative of a tiny minority imposing their beliefs on the vast masses for hundreds of years kind of presupposes that the vast masses were brainless simpletons unable to think for themselves - that it was not 'their' faith, but one of a small cabal imposed upon them. Can you not see how incredibly arrogant, insulting, and plain historically wrong that is?

Your arguments might carry a little more weight, too, if you managed to dispense with the gratuitous sub-studenty abuse. You don't believe any of it, we get it. Arguing against overweening Church influence on the State, the separation of Church and State and for the application of law to the Church as to everyone else, proper democratic republican style, is something perfectly fine, with which I totally agree. Descending into vulgar trashing of the sincere beliefs of others (beyond merely stating that you don't believe them or that you don't think they don't make sense) is merely going to write you off as a crank.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

'We are the 3% to 7%' (The middle-eastern Irish).

'Get lost' (The 93% to 97%)

[fluffybiscuits]

This narrative of a tiny minority imposing their beliefs on the vast masses for hundreds of years kind of presupposes that the vast masses were brainless simpletons unable to think for themselves - that it was not 'their' faith, but one of a small cabal imposed upon them. Can you not see how incredibly arrogant, insulting, and plain historically wrong that is?

Your arguments might carry a little more weight, too, if you managed to dispense with the gratuitous sub-studenty abuse. You don't believe any of it, we get it. Arguing against overweening Church influence on the State, the separation of Church and State and for the application of law to the Church as to everyone else, proper democratic republican style, is something perfectly fine, with which I totally agree. Descending into vulgar trashing of the sincere beliefs of others (beyond merely stating that you don't believe them or that you don't think they don't make sense) is merely going to write you off as a crank.

What is plain and simply insulting is that you fail to see that the indoctrination that took place of our kids over the years is still continuing, its pure and utter hokum I admit I believe that but we are talking about the organisation here. What ever sky fairy people worship is there business but Im saying we make an example of the Eucharistic Congress to show the world what we believe to be a vile organisation. We cant ban them but we can certainly show their displeasure. I dont think there is any abuse there, the attack of a belief is a much a valid option as attacking right wing idealologies or other similar ways of thinking.

[toxic avenger]

Oh so are they welcoming of it now? Do you think the falling mass attendance is so people can sit in quiet solitude and quiet admiration for a paedo protection ring? The hundreds of thousands who call themselves Catholics are completely apathetic to the church and its activities, all you have to do is to look at the article that come out in Alive! or the irish catholic whinging about the falling attendances. Do you sit at home beating your chest saying decades of the rosary ? If people are not a part of the solution , they are part of the problem, which one are you TA?

Oh dear Lord... You really did just type that last line...

We are all aware of falling Mass attendances, falling vocations, etc. That doesn't mean there isn't still a sizeable proportion of the population that either goes to Mass regularly, or goes irregularly but still consider themselves Catholics. Whatever the exact numbers, my point was simple - who are you to speak for 'Ireland'? And what about those people who, whether they number in the thousands or the hundreds of thousands, are both Irish and Catholic - do they get a say? Or is it just people like you who, you know, just know better than them?...

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

This narrative of a tiny minority imposing their beliefs on the vast masses for hundreds of years kind of presupposes that the vast masses were brainless simpletons unable to think for themselves - that it was not 'their' faith, but one of a small cabal imposed upon them. Can you not see how incredibly arrogant, insulting, and plain historically wrong that is?

Your arguments might carry a little more weight, too, if you managed to dispense with the gratuitous sub-studenty abuse. You don't believe any of it, we get it. Arguing against overweening Church influence on the State, the separation of Church and State and for the application of law to the Church as to everyone else, proper democratic republican style, is something perfectly fine, with which I totally agree. Descending into vulgar trashing of the sincere beliefs of others (beyond merely stating that you don't believe them or that you don't think they don't make sense) is merely going to write you off as a crank.

Searingly accurate. Well done. Now you know why the catholic church wanted access to schools and went ballistic at any questioning of their nutty belief system in the media for decades.

You are slowly but surely getting there. Next week- Catholicism- the Ritual Sunday Cannibalism- Are These People For Real?