The rise of the far right in Europe

[ZeroWedge]

Rovers stadium in Tallaght targeted:

http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest230812_2.html

Clearly Eirigi painted the nazi slogans themselves, so they could get publicity for removing them.

Nice little publicity stunt, Eirigi. But nobody is falling for it.

[Sam Lord]

Clearly Eirigi painted the nazi slogans themselves, so they could get publicity for removing them.

Nice little publicity stunt, Eirigi. But nobody is falling for it.

Having read some of your posts over recent days I have to ask, are you off your medication?

There are nominations currently being taken on a thread on the site for a certain award for August. Keep up your standard of posting and you may well end up not only nominated but winning.

[Ephilant]

Of his rocker, and getting dangerous.

Golden Dawn leader Nikos Michaloliakos is threatening to take the country by storm. At a neo-fascist meeting last Sunday in Thermopylae, he told his supporters that

there are traitors everywhere

, and while talking about parliament he said

Dendias (Public Order Minister) came out with a smug smile to say that we (the government) shall crush the stormtroopers. We are here, let them come and crush us ... You are the stormtroopers of Golden Dawn. We feel uncomfortable in there (Parliament). If they want, we'll abandon it at any moment; we'll take to the streets ... then we'll see what storm troopers are.

Somebody really needs to put this guy and his scumbags in their place.

[morticia]

I am getting more and more convinced that both ND and CA get their funding and support from Berlin.

Very scary, very scary indeed

[C. Flower]

Of his rocker, and getting dangerous.

Golden Dawn leader Nikos Michaloliakos is threatening to take the country by storm. At a neo-fascist meeting last Sunday in Thermopylae, he told his supporters that , and while talking about parliament he said

Somebody really needs to put this guy and his scumbags in their place.

They certainly do. Is there any anti-fascist alliance, or defence groups yet ?

[fluffybiscuits]

Of his rocker, and getting dangerous.

Golden Dawn leader Nikos Michaloliakos is threatening to take the country by storm. At a neo-fascist meeting last Sunday in Thermopylae, he told his supporters that , and while talking about parliament he said

Somebody really needs to put this guy and his scumbags in their place.

More and more that I read about these and in general the rise of the far right in Europe the more I think rat nests like Stormfront are the breeding places for networks for the far right. What is going to happen in response Eliphant? There could be militia forming to fight them or they could very well over run the place. Here is to sincerely hoping GD collapses in someway . How that happens I dont really care but once it does ...

[Holly]

The more I read this thread, the more I am persuaded that the right appears to be confined to Greece.

[Ephilant]

They certainly do. Is there any anti-fascist alliance, or defence groups yet ?

More and more people are becoming more and more vocal in condemning these guys, that is apparent. However, they condemn them for attacking the police, not for their "policies"... And there are indeed defence groups popping up in the streets, but as usual, the whole left response to this definite threat to the country is so fragmented it is a Sisyphean task all over again, just like Greece itself.
It will take lots of heated discussions and many a frappe in the taverna before any, if any, consensus is ever reached. If the Greek problem goes that far back that's it's enshrined in mythology, it surely is not going to be solved in a hurry today? And by the time it may possibly happen, these scumbags will indeed have taken the streets. Same story all over again.
The big mistake the left makes everywhere. They don't realize that "the streets" is where you find a grassroots that will stick with you through everything. Unfortunately, GD did realize this, and took great advantage of it. With such an unwavering base, they can now happily concentrate on getting in where it matters.
I'll state it again, I have a very strong suspicion that these guys get their funding and their orders from elsewhere, not Greece I mean. Greece is heading for yet another election, and this will result in an overall SYRIZA majority. When that happens, the stormtroopers will be out, in force.
After all Tsipras is the second most dangerous politician in Europe, and if you answer the question "dangerous to who?", then you immediately have your answer regarding the power behind GD (and True Finns, and Vlaamse Belang, and BNP, and the rest of them). Neo Liberalism will do ANYTHING to safeguard it's position of power, and protect the goose that lays the golden eggs for it through austerity imposed on the rest.
It took 2 failed attempts to get here, this time it looks like they got the methodology and the choice of weapon (money) right, and overall dominance is now within reach. The German people are being used, like everybody else, merely as means to an end. Their industrious nature is being abused for the same end goal as our poverty is being abused. They have the picture of eternal prosperity held in front of them as a reward, we have the picture of eternal poverty held in front of us a the threat. It's the good cop-bad cop game on a large scale.
Merkel has just started the end game. Every time a new "initiative" is announced, there are fewer and fewer participants to the initiative. 27 EU members, 17 EZ members, 10 "Future Group" members, 2 "working Group" members, and it all leads to 1 governing member. The perception is this is Germany, and German policy. I am much more inclined to believe that Germany is being used as a pawn in this game, just like everybody else. The real power brokers are elsewhere. As the rule goes: follow the money...
Each country has been picked off in turn, and left in a total state of chaos. The way out is on offer. Prepare to give cheap labour to solve the unemployment crisis, but hand over your freedom and independence in return. And if you don't hand these over, we'll take them....
They will not let the chance go without a serious fight. A very dirty one if need be.
When Tsipras and SYRIZA get that majority, it will be made impossible for them to govern. The likes of GD and LAOS (don't write them off !) will make sure there is enough distraction to prevent proper governing. Sadly, SYRIZA does not seem to realize that they can prevent this by acting NOW, and getting on to the streets themselves. Not with baseball bats wrapped in Greek flags or pyrotechnics, but with proper action aimed directly at the people in the form of practical assistance, not in the form of easy, but very dangerous, rethoric like GD does. It is not too late, not yet. But they really need to get their act together on this one.

[C. Flower]

The more I read this thread, the more I am persuaded that the right appears to be confined to Greece.

The right is very evident in Greece because the livelihoods of so many middle class and small business people have been smashed up / threatened, and because there has been such a protracted crisis with the traditional parties floundering and as yet no practical solution offered by the left.

From my very limited experience of the far right, they quickly resort to physical politics, and a firm reply in kind, is the only way to put them back into their box and prevent them entrenching themselves as a serious force. But that is very much secondary in the long haul to dealing with the economic problems on which they are piggybacking.

It is far from the only place in Europe with that problem.

[bormotello]

Rise of far right happen only when left wingers cannot offer anything
Success of Hitler came from failure of communists and social democrats find way out crisis, Franco won civil war because stalinists, trotskyests and anarchists couldn't agree what to do, Pinochet came to power to save country from destruction by left wingers, thatcher came to power after labour ruined economy etc etc
When left wingers had clear vision what to do - Russia, Vietnam, China, Cuba - they always won
The same is happenining in Greece - too much left wing parties couldn't agree what to do next, this is why GD is rising

[fluffybiscuits]

Rise of far right happen only when left wingers cannot offer anything
Success of Hitler came from failure of communists and social democrats find way out crisis, Franco won civil war because stalinists, trotskyests and anarchists couldn't agree what to do, Pinochet came to power to save country from destruction by left wingers, thatcher came to power after labour ruined economy etc etc
When left wingers had clear vision what to do - Russia, Vietnam, China, Cuba - they always won
The same is happenining in Greece - too much left wing parties couldn't agree what to do next, this is why GD is rising

Bormotello for someone whom does not like socialism you do spend an awful amount of time on this board. Socialism is about empowering the people while right wing/facism whatever you want to call it is about empowering certain individuals in a hierarchy. The socialists have risen to power in France,Greece and then we have Labour in Ireland (whom seem to be veering to the right). The scorn you have so much of is tempered even more again with this folly of Hitler. Again Godwins law etc etc. GD is rising on the back of peoples insecurities and the lack of jobs thanks to capitalism throwing its oar in. Lack of resources means peopel turn on one and other etc. Im blue in the face explaining all this...

[Holly]

... we have Labour in Ireland ...

The Irish Labour Party is not a socialist party.

[disability student]

The Irish Labour Party is not a socialist party.

Dead right as they have booked their very posh hotel for their upcoming conference next September. Sign of the times indeed as power & lust for money have gone into their heads

[ZeroWedge]

From my very limited experience of the far right, they quickly resort to physical politics.

The far left are more likely to engage in violence. It was the far left in Athens, who set fire to a bank and killed three bank staff, during one of their protests.

And of course, closer to home, far left groups like Eirigi love to get "physical", as you call it.

Youre not fooling anyone, leftie.

[jmcc]

The most dangerous development would be a group or party that pitches itself as a more restrained and reasonable version of GD.

Regards...jmcc