Ian Bailey extradition case adjourned to consider 'new material'

[musashi]

Five judges and five different reasons for allowing the Appeal.

Bailey says there are "more matters to be dealt with."

Civil case against the Gardai?

Pleased to hear he got all his costs.

The dude is due his pound of flesh, no more no less.

[Baron von Biffo]

If it makes 'em feel better .... rather a waste of time tho ...

The effect of the ongoing case in France is to limit Bailey's freedom of movement. He's now pretty much a prisoner here. And that's without formal charges being laid against him.

If they charge him there's a possibility that they could re-apply for extradition. Even if the courts here gave the application short shrift on the second grounds in today's case, it would still border on persecution.

By pressing this case the French authorities are showing contempt for our sovereignty and the jurisdiction of the authorities her to deal with criminal cases here. Now that the Supreme Court has spoken it's time Gilmore got off his arse and told France to put an end to this.

[Hapax]

Pleased to hear he got all his costs.

I wonder how they'll compensate him for having to turn his life around so he could qualify in law. I assume he did that purely to assist in his own defence. I can't imagine he'd get many clients if he set to practicing.

[PaddyJoe]

Goldhawk returns to the Bailey case this week and the 44 page report for the DPP that seemed to mysteriously vanish for over 10 years. The report, compiled in 2001, cast very serious doubts on the murder investigation and found that the case against Bailey was riddled with inconsistencies and probably would not stand up in court.
Goldhawk asks why the DPP seems to have sat upon the report that it commissioned in the first place and why it took an extradition request from France for it to come to light.
No comment from the DPP or Alan Shatter so far it seems.

[PaddyJoe]

The Irish Mail today reports that Judge Carroll Moran has begun an investigation into a claim by Ian Bailey that his phone has been tapped since 1997.
Bailey alleges that a device was fixed on a mast close to his house by particular individuals in 1997 and his calls have been intercepted ever since.
Judge Carroll Moran is the designated "complaints referee" who is tasked with investigating allegations of 'unlawful interception of post and telecommunications'

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

This is absolute keystone stuff... the Gardai should really stop trying to fit people up if they are this shambolic.

And the DPPs office managing to mislay relevant files. At the very least you'd expect if there was going to be a fit-up they'd at least be able to do it in such a way that it doesn't fall apart piece by piece.

I bet the French police are following this one like a Flash Gordon episode. I'm sure they are hugely impressed with the Gardai one way or another.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

What is funny- the crime aside in this case I know- is that now the Gardai and DPP are going to have to cover up a shambolic cover up.

There must be a huge hole up in the ground under the DPPs office where they keep files that look they might be 'difficult'.

Does the Irish Government actually know where ANY files are at any given time or is the situation fluid?

Basic administration on a sign in and sign out system for case files. Is this deliberately prevented from being in place?

It would take Jonathan Swift to describe the mysterious events around simple administration and 'lost' files in the Irish justice system. It seems to be so accepted a practice that we have Gardai turning up in court to announce actual EVIDENCE has been misplaced.

I bet if I went on to the DPPs site and the Gardai website I'd find loads of shyte there about policing and justice in the modern era- they seem to have an amazing ability to lose evidence in some cases and case files from time to time. Are things that blatantly corrupt or are we talking about blatant incompetence?

Algeria, 1922.

[Baron von Biffo]

The Irish Mail today reports that Judge Carroll Moran has begun an investigation into a claim by Ian Bailey that his phone has been tapped since 1997.
Bailey alleges that a device was fixed on a mast close to his house by particular individuals in 1997 and his calls have been intercepted ever since.
Judge Carroll Moran is the designated "complaints referee" who is tasked with investigating allegations of 'unlawful interception of post and telecommunications'

Land line phone cabling runs on poles rather than masts. Something on a mast therefore hints at radio wave interception.

If there was a bug in his home or in the phone itself It surely would have been possible for him to have it exposed over the course of 15 years so perhaps he's thoughts are that it's his mobile that's being monitored.

Who would be doing such tapping is another question. The state owned the telephone exchanges in 1997 so it would hardly have needed to do anything so crude as hang things off masts if it wanted to tap his line. The French or the media are the only other candidates that come to mind and neither really seems plausible.

Peculiar one.

[PaddyJoe]

Land line phone cabling runs on poles rather than masts. Something on a mast therefore hints at radio wave interception.

If there was a bug in his home or in the phone itself It surely would have been possible for him to have it exposed over the course of 15 years so perhaps he's thoughts are that it's his mobile that's being monitored.

Who would be doing such tapping is another question. The state owned the telephone exchanges in 1997 so it would hardly have needed to do anything so crude as hang things off masts if it wanted to tap his line. The French or the media are the only other candidates that come to mind and neither really seems plausible.

Peculiar one.

There a lot of general background to the case in the Mail story and some tech stuff about up to date mobile phone interception software but no further concrete info on the complaint that is being investigated.
People fixing devices to poles sounds very dated alright

[barrym]

(another) diversionary tactic by Bailey. He has form on doing it, he took a defamation case against the papers <Mod CF>.

In 1997 in West Cork there wasn't much in the way of wireless/mobile, still isn't in many places. If kit was put on a "mast" probably a pole, in '97 why didn't he report it then?? Who are/were the certain people?

Part of his plan to divert attention from the real issue, who killed her??

The DPP and the guards made a balls of the case, Bailey, having studied law is now making them pay.

The question still remains, who is funding all this stuff, Buttimer. his lawyer has about three things on the go at the same time.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Whatever about the original case you have to say he has made the Gardai and the DPP look like a right bunch of eejits both at home and abroad.

What is it with the Gardai/DPP in Ireland and attempted shortcuts that end up exploding back on them later? They seem to have a habit of laying time-delayed IEDs which end up going off on them rather than anyone else.

Have the Gardai and DPP in Ireland ever considered doing the job straight and above board without fear or favour?

Might seem naive but that is a good way to stop having self-planted heritage explosives going off constantly in their own faces.

If you can at least show adherence to accepted police and investigation procedures in an attempt to resolve a murder or any other case at least you've got something of integrity to fall back on.

The short-cut and years of having to firefight 'strokes' gone wrong would seem like going the long way around in the end.

[Baron von Biffo]

(another) diversionary tactic by Bailey. He has form on doing it, he took a defamation case against the papers < Edited for consistency with mod to original. >.

In 1997 in West Cork there wasn't much in the way of wireless/mobile, still isn't in many places. If kit was put on a "mast" probably a pole, in '97 why didn't he report it then?? Who are/were the certain people?

Part of his plan to divert attention from the real issue, who killed her??

The DPP and the guards made a balls of the case, Bailey, having studied law is now making them pay.

The question still remains, who is funding all this stuff, Buttimer. his lawyer has about three things on the go at the same time.

Unless and until the contrary is proved, Bailey is an innocent man.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Mind you, the Gardai are billed as a police force.

[C. Flower]

The Irish Mail today reports that Judge Carroll Moran has begun an investigation into a claim by Ian Bailey that his phone has been tapped since 1997.
Bailey alleges that a device was fixed on a mast close to his house by particular individuals in 1997 and his calls have been intercepted ever since.
Judge Carroll Moran is the designated "complaints referee" who is tasked with investigating allegations of 'unlawful interception of post and telecommunications'

I'm intrigued with the idea that a complaint of this nature is taken to a judge. Surely the first port of call would be the Gardai?

Or is that naive ?

I'm surprised that the Judge has powers of investigation.

The first questions would be what kind of device is it, then, who planted it - a public body, media or other.

[Baron von Biffo]

I'm intrigued with the idea that a complaint of this nature is taken to a judge. Surely the first port of call would be the Gardai?

Or is that naive ?

I'm surprised that the Judge has powers of investigation.

The first questions would be what kind of device is it, then, who planted it - a public body, media or other.

Perhaps the first question should be, Is there a device?