So do you not give it much credence Ephilant? My heart jumped when I saw it I have to say. I've been feeling more and more invested in a Syriza win over the last while. I hope Tsipras doesn't disappoint entirely if he ever gets to make a go of things
SYRIZA represents a break from the past, most definitely a break from the PASOK past, A coaliton with PASOK would be political suicide for Tsipras and SYRIZA. They would be back to their 5.6% in a flash.
I was just listening with half an ear to a radio interview with Diamantopoulou. and she actually says the same thing as I#ve said from day one. It would be impossible fro another ND/PAOSK coaliton to take power, because it would casue a revolution in the streets of our cities and towns. And she is right, it would.
So, my prediction is getting stronger. we'll be back in this situation in a months time. Unless of course it is decided that "democracy is not functioning" and the guys in fancy dress uniform decide to take over...
Watching ND slowly creeping down on this over the last while. Not going quick enough in comparison to the number of votes getting counted
And yes, it means helping little old ladies cross the road, being seen to be involved in a community. It doesn't mean beating up immigrants, it does mean diverting people away from looking at that as a solution and showing them real solutions.
At some stage we got a visit in our shelter, and it was an 83 year old woman together with her daughter and granddaughter (14 years of age) who faced them down. But if you just give them the streets, then you end up losing the communities who need you most, and will stick with you through everything if they feel a connection with you. The left did leave a lot of people down in that respect...
Samaras was just on TV. He wants to form a coaliton tomorrow. As I said, anybody will do for the guy, he simply doesn't care.
Only 18% of the vote has been counted so far, the difference is 2.4% between SYRIZA and ND. There could just still be a surprise in the making.
SYRIZA just announces that they will NOT form a coalition with a Pro-bailout party. See you in 1 month...
Actively disrupting them is taking it to another level, and given the situation in Greece at the moment (and the likely voting patterns in Exarcheia) seems like a stupid thing to do.
The hospitals too are running out of drugs. No matter who is elected, there will be massive work to do.
It's coming down the tracks here in Ireland too - but people don't see it yet.
Someone is sending some photos in - one here of a Merc - still plenty around he says - and unemptied rubbish bins. All bins being searched for food by those without.
*sighs* RTE's report on the elections is totally uninformed
Last edited by C. Flower; 17-06-2012 at 07:12 PM.
great, flight delayed for at least 4 hours, and internet grinding to a halt...
Samaras will be the new Prime Minister and form his government tomorrow, or so he says.
Tsipras says there is no point in trying to form a government as things stand.
Venizelos has surfaced and said given the deadlock after the election, the President should call the leaders of the 4 biggest parties (ND/PASOK/DEM LEFT/SYRIZA) in tomorrow and force them to form a government of national unity with an outsiders a PM.
Last edited by Ephilant; 17-06-2012 at 07:27 PM.
So, Antonis Samaras is really sure of himself. With 22% of the vote counted, he already held his "victory speech", announced himself as the new prime minister of Greece who will lead Greece on the path to recovery within Europe, etc. etc.
He has oviously not yet been informed that all the others hae told him were to go... Which part of the word "NEIN" do you not understand Antonis?
So, here we go.
Nobody can go it alone. PASOK is actually the power broker here, again (When will we ever learn?????)
PASOK says no to a coalition without SYRIZA. SYRIZA says no to a coalition with PASOK. Samaras has already declared himself PM, but has no goverment to PM over, and wont get one by the looks of it either. Unless somebody has a serious Monthy Python moment and does a momentious U-Turn, we'll be back in a month.
What will happen? Further polarization. Dem Left sees a good percentage of it's vote go to SYRIZA this time around, so does KKE. Independent Greeks see a good deal of there votes go to ND and CA. Next time around, we could very well see these parties sink below the 3 %.
Result, the very same as right now, but fewer players. The sad thing is that CA will probably get stronger, but it will not be at the expense of left votes, just a redistribution of right votes. So what's key?
Venizolos knows only too well. Either PASOK changes policies to the point that they become part of SYRIZA, or they change in the other direction and become part of ND. But either way, the only solution to this is the complete demise of PASOK. Not a bad thing in itself, they just should get it over and done with.
Syriza has conceded to ND. Will be a constructive opposition - says Greece voted against austerity.
There's also a story, unsourced, of EU concessions....
Thanks of course to Syriza, if true.