Now, if you would like to discuss the political ramifications of that - the impacts on national sovereignty, EU governance, the need for Treaty change, the democratic deficit, then this is the right place to do it.
No doubt they'll try to give it a veneer of consensual agreement down the road, but the mask has slipped so we need be in no doubt
As Cactus pointed out in the opening, and as did Vincent Brown after the Franco-German statement of intent last night.
We have a de facto promise to expel Greece if agreement isn't forthcoming, but of more concern to me is the likelihood that beneath this is a far more dangerous covert assertion that Greece is being held hostage, whether this is merely for the duration of the threat their default poses to Herr Bankenstein or whether it is a more permanent claim of economic/territorial ownership remains to be seen.
The express wish to suppress democracy seem clear enough from the way that various EU/IMF deals have been deliberately cemented in to countries just before General Elections, with the implication that populations are locked into them for 5 + years without any electoral opportunity to object ?
It would work wonders. I think the resulting enfranchisement would shake people out of their fatalist lethargy and foster a real spirit of solidarity and democratic responsibility.
And it is a movement in the opposite direction to that of the European Project.
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Well, the Parliament has always been regarded as a talking shop. The Commission and the Council of Ministers is out of public view, pretty well. And now Noonan says they are sidelined, anyway, by Germany and France.
I'd have to say that it beats World War 2, as at least they were able to take over without any bloodshed.
[QUOTE=C. Flower;198039]Do you have any thoughts about how to deal with a Europe within which Germany is dominant, and with a serious democratic deficit ?
The EU seems to work on horsetrading, rather strict democratic mandates through respresentation, which means, unfortunately, we have to trust our MEPs with our national interests, which isn't very promising. Expanding the role of the parliament would appear the best route, but I think others might proffer more enlightened suggestions. I don't think there is any quick fix, because the whole project is an organic enterprise. I thank my lucky stars the Constitution was a failure: from a historical perspective, I am pro-federal EU, but with the politicians we have now, it is an absolute no-no, for the forseeable future. A stable Europe politically is just as important as economically; we need to slow right down, and try to get transparency as the mode of working as much as possible, before going forward. The economic mess is doing the opposite though.
Emergency laws become the norm.
There will be something like a mechanised feudalism coming to the fore, and things we take for granted as the normal requirements to ensure the dignity of human life and society will be dismantled.
The rate this occurs will probably accelerate.
Beyond doomsday scenarios, a little contemplation and observation will certainly, I think, reveal that this is an inevitable consequence once the precedent has been set - enlisting the fruits of the labour of millions without consent to enrich narrow cartels (who themselves will find their humanity gradually being subsumed to the systems they have appended to themselves), and the rendering of democratic mandate obsolete.
Once this same ethos is applied to goods production, in a comprehensive manner, the possible depths are endless.
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John Bruton on Prime Time says Merkel wants a European president
Bruton says a President elected on a 1 person, 1 vote basis would be a step forward for democracy.
Sounds like the eurovision to me and I bet the voting would be similar
Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer
I think much of the problems we are facing relates to notions of sovereignty, as a source of national pride, versus better living conditions as part of a large economic area, leading to tetchiness in relation to being considered citizens vs consumers; both are underpinned by the psychological need for control. Representative democracy is a dilution of individual wants, and any lack of control that we cede in this process is further diluted by political actions we no longer control. The transformation of the EU is supposed to be decided by what we as citizens want, but the beaucracy involved is so open to abuse cos most of it is behind closed doors (via horsetrading) it is natural to want more contol over its processes.
But do the political parties trust the plebs with this responsibility? No. With a nominal parliament, we are in a catch-22 with representation for change. How do we break this catch-22?