Irish Unemployment and Emigration Crisis

[fluffybiscuits]

A blog post worth its own thread, but I will have to park it here, for the moment.

http://www.petergeoghegan.com/?p=558

Geoghan looks at the frightening levels of unemployment of educated young people in Europe. Over 50% in Spain, for example. Many will never use their degrees. Due to the doubling of the labour force up to the early 90s, according to Geoghan, the value of labour has dropped. I suspect the situation is the same in the US, North Africa, and the East - well it is global really. It can be equally described as a crisis of overproduction. To some extent, it drove the Arab Spring, and clearly has implications for social and economic revolution, and/or war, as people can't and don't want to live their lives uselessly.

Meanwhile, in Ireland, people are told to sod off to Toronto.

And with the high level of unemployment comes the rise of the far right in Europe. The disenfranchised are turning to them in their droves hoping to somehow kick start their economies with a political ideaology that reflects how they feel it should be. Look at Geoghans blog, the one thing that is lacking in a lot of people is hope. Surveying 6000 students and most of them dont expect to use their degree for anything they will work in. These people lack hope and we have these dealers of hope, the right wing selling false hope to our youth and preying on them because once they get in the whole ship is going to sink faster than it is...

[C. Flower]

I can't make sense of this. Up 3,000, and also down ?

http://feeds.breakingnews.ie/~r/bnto...on-553480.html

[C. Flower]

The CSO has released analysis of 2011 Census data on unemployment.

- 39% of 15-24 year olds were unemployed.

Industries

The industry which posted the largest growth in employment was primary education where the numbers of those at work rose by 18,682 to 64,177. There was a 10 per cent rise in the number of people working in farming, bringing the number at work to 80,084. There were 80,645 people working in social work activities, an almost 10 per cent rise on 2006. Employment within computer and related activities rose by 15 per cent to 41,978. Retail sectors also featured among the industries which added the most jobs between 2006 and 2011. Employment in retail in non-specialised stores, largely convenience stores, grew to 57,488 over the 5 years, a rise of 29 per cent.
The largest declining industry was building of constructions and civil engineering where numbers at work fell by over 73,000 to 43,577. In the manufacturing sector, the largest decline was seen in the manufacture of fabricated metal products where numbers at work dropped by almost 11,000 to 12,177.

Occupational groups

Reflecting trends in industry, the occupations experiencing the largest falls in employment were generally related to construction, with building labourers the worst affected occupational group, falling by over 70 per cent to 9,243. The number of builders and building contractors at work declined by over a half to 8,103. Among service occupations, the number of bar staff fell from 14,103 to 11,452, a decline of 19 per cent with waiters and waitresses falling by 13 per cent to 12,269.
There was a 31 per cent increase in the number of primary and nursery teachers between 2006 and 2011, bringing the number at work to 40,989. Also registering strong employment growth were auctioneers, estimators and other sales representatives increasing 76 per cent to 20,870. Several managerial occupations also grew strongly with over 7,000 additional marketing managers at work, an increase of almost one quarter and an increase of almost 22 per cent in the number of general managers in large companies.

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandevents/p...ofile3-atwork/

Report here - http://www.cso.ie/en/census/census20...nsandindustry/

All the data here in interactive tables -

http://www.cso.ie/en/census/census20...nsandindustry/

[C. Flower]

Namawinelake has looked at the latest unemployment figures, compares them with UK and Northern figures (half our rate approx., with less emigration) and asks why and what can be done about it.

Unemployment, NWL says, has stabilised, but most discussion on the CSO release has been about the increase in long-term unemployment. That is not the kind of stability anyone wants.

NWL seems to suggest that cuts in benefits are in some way an answer, without being clear how that is going to generate jobs. On the contrary, cuts will reduce expenditure and lead to losses in jobs in retail and services.

Further job losses are planned for the public sector, in the main through attrition.

Activation and make-work schemes are hardly the answer, so what is?

[C. Flower]

240 of us leaving every day.

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/20...tion-estimate/

[C. Flower]

Peter Lunn of the ESRI saying that 90,000 people have left in the last 4 years.
Two thirds of them Irish and the biggest group is young people with qualifications.

[fluffybiscuits]

Peter Lunn of the ESRI saying that 90,000 people have left in the last 4 years.
Two thirds of them Irish and the biggest group is young people with qualifications.

Read a stat somewhere that a person every five minutes emmigrates from Ireland. Startling stuff..

[disability student]

Read a stat somewhere that a person every five minutes emmigrates from Ireland. Startling stuff..

Curiously, the unemployment figures haven't changed that much since that emigration started.

Heard from Fas worker, they have changed new rules for CE programme, from now on, it will be one year contract for a person joining the programme with no added extensions. Same cane be said for disabled person the maximum he or she can ger is seven years but with one payment instead of two.Hence reduced income creating a dis-incentive to work thus creating a welfare trap.

Fas ce programmes expenses are slashed and all other expenses are to be borne by the parish or locality themselves (if they have cash/monies).

[fluffybiscuits]

Curiously, the unemployment figures haven't changed that much since that emigration started.

Heard from Fas worker, they have changed new rules for CE programme, from now on, it will be one year contract for a person joining the programme with no added extensions. Same cane be said for disabled person the maximum he or she can ger is seven years but with one payment instead of two.Hence reduced income creating a dis-incentive to work thus creating a welfare trap.

Fas ce programmes expenses are slashed and all other expenses are to be borne by the parish or locality themselves (if they have cash/monies).

Hitting the unemployed again, they never change the govt...

[C. Flower]

Ireland’s emigration highest for 25 years - FT.com

By Jamie Smyth in Dublin

Outside Croke Park stadium in the centre of Dublin
a day before the all-Ireland hurling final, young people are queueing up to get inside. They aren’t seeking tickets, however. Instead, they are
attending a jobs expo, where most hope to secure a
position with a foreign company and leave the country.
“Virtually all my friends have left to find work. Some are in New York, Toronto, Australia and London,” says Tommy Flynn, a 24-year-old civil engineering graduate who can’t find a job at home.
“I sent out about 60 CVs in Ireland and got very few replies. I
may try Canada,” he says.
The latest emigration data provide a stark reflection of the
economic crisis facing Ireland. A record 87,000 people left the
country in the year to April, up from 80,600 a year earlier.
Young people aged between 15 and 29 are worst affected with
182,900 in this age group leaving to live abroad since the crisis struck in 2008.

Almost a third of 15 to 24 year olds, who grew up during Ireland’s Celtic Tiger boom when highly paid jobs were plentiful, are out of work and even those with jobs have seen their wages slashed.
“People are voting with their feet either because they can’t find work or the only jobs they can get are precarious and there are better opportunities abroad,” says Brid O’Brien, head of policy at the Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed.
For 25 to 40 year olds, huge mortgages and negative equity are a poisonous legacy of the property crash. Money problems are forcing adult children to move back into the family home with 91,000 of those over the age of 30 living with their parents.
“Everything that could go wrong is going wrong. The public sector is cutting jobs when theprivate sector is pulling back investment and small businesses face a credit crunch,” says Ms
O’Brien.
Dublin implemented a recruitment embargo in 2010 covering most parts of the public sector in an effort to tackle a budget deficit, which in 2011 was the highest in the EU at 13 per cent.
It plans to cut the number of people working in the public sector by 37,500 to 282,500 by
2015 to meet targets in its international bailout.
“Almost no new graduate will land a permanent teaching job this year. The average wait for a permanent job after qualifying is eight or more years,” says Art McCarrick, a 25-year-old graduate living in County Cavan who qualified in June as a history and geography teacher.
He is critical of an agreement reached between the government and trade unions in 2010 that promised no mandatory redundancies or extra pay cuts in the public sector in return for industrial peace and changes to work practices until 2014. This is creating a two-tier system in teaching and other parts of the public service, says Mr McCarrick.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a1f53ac2-0997-11e2-a5a9-00144feabdc0.htm

[Kitty O'Shea]

I haven't held a paid job since Jan 2009 and no, I am not a welfare sponger. The job market treats job seekers like myself very harshly; it doesn't matter how brilliant the person's work experience is, a gap on the CV is permanently fatal. My previous employer employed over 200 hundred people between offices and sites in 2008, that number is down to 16 people now.
BTW., DSP know this is the case.

[C. Flower]

I haven't held a paid job since Jan 2009 and no, I am not a welfare sponger. The job market treats job seekers like myself very harshly; it doesn't matter how brilliant the person's work experience is, a gap on the CV is permanently fatal. My previous employer employed over 200 hundred people between offices and sites in 2008, that number is down to 16 people now.
BTW., DSP know this is the case.

A sudden dip in unemployment is devastating, as there is so much competition for each job. Once "out of the loop," very hard to get back in, even if a job was there.

In Germany, the value of work teams and skills is appreciated, and in 2009 they used short time and work sharing to keep people working and on pay rolls at all costs. They now have full employment again.

[Kitty O'Shea]

Just found this information. European Jobs day in Brussels is on Saturday. If you are lucky enough to be able to visit Brussels, or like me can't afford to go there is a remote facility too. So be prepared to either bring CVs and be ready for interviews or participate online by uploading your CV. All the information is available here - Exhibitors | European job days Brussels
Interesting, there is brochure to download with a exhibitor list and an online employer list. There is also a list of positions to fill in several European countries like Italy, Slovakia etc.
pass this info on if you don't need it.

[C. Flower]

Just found this information. European Jobs day in Brussels is on Saturday. If you are lucky enough to be able to visit Brussels, or like me can't afford to go there is a remote facility too. So be prepared to either bring CVs and be ready for interviews or participate online by uploading your CV. All the information is available here - Exhibitors | European job days Brussels
Interesting, there is brochure to download with a exhibitor list and an online employer list. There is also a list of positions to fill in several European countries like Italy, Slovakia etc.
pass this info on if you don't need it.

Thanks !

Here's link to the site for the day -

http://europeanjobdays.eu/brussels/

[Kitty O'Shea]

Ireland only places values on things that suit the more powerful in society and their associates. Those of us on the lowest rungs of the ladder are merely a plip on their horizons, an inconvenience to ignored. More than ever it's not what you know, it's who you know and political alliances. Which kidda makes me wonder, what on earth do they expect?