Lack of Union Action

[fluffybiscuits]

Why are the unions not involved in the protests? Does it not say a lot more about them than striking by themselves? It would appear to me some unions are not taking part as it goes against their own interests . People are campaigning against heads of such organisations with big salaries, does this include the unions?

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Yep. 'social partnership' meant bribing union leaders with quango appointments and other licks of cream to manage their membership into silence.

The union membership are worse for not simply sacking them. They'll pay for that when the other shoe drops and the public service cuts are announced and the Croke Park Agreement is renegotiated into disappearing.

[Dr. FIVE]

I would be interested to hear more from Union members on this if anyone has a links?

[Griska]

I would be interested to hear more from Union members on this if anyone has a links?

My latest correspondence from my union included petitions regarding Egypt and Palestine.
Greatly welcomed and the sort of outward looking perspective I think a Trade Union should have.
However, all domestic issues are in the shadow of Croke Park.

[Starfire]

Trade Unions are saturated with police informers and are controlled - the miners strike in Thatchers day an example - don't hold your breath, it will await the day when all are tested to determine the informers and legislation to make them and their handlers account.

[fluffybiscuits]

Trade Unions are saturated with police informers and are controlled - the miners strike in Thatchers day an example - don't hold your breath, it will await the day when all are tested to determine the informers and legislation to make them and their handlers account.

I think what it is that unions dont see anyuthing outside of union politics. There is just blinkers on looking in one way and they dont see any other.

[C. Flower]

My latest correspondence from my union included petitions regarding Egypt and Palestine.
Greatly welcomed and the sort of outward looking perspective I think a Trade Union should have.
However, all domestic issues are in the shadow of Croke Park.

In the US, the Unions have immediately related to "Occupy Wall Street."

The Irish movement seems to be completely under the control of full timers like Jack O'Connor, and similar, a tiny handful of people who play elitism for all its worth.

[unspecific]

The leadership hope that by keeping the unions silent the government will reward them by not scrapping the Croke Park Agreement.

I've heard of people ringing their union looking for help and at best being ignored, at worst telling them they should be glad to have any job then slam the phone down.

[Dr. FIVE]

The leadership hope that by keeping the unions silent the government will reward them by not scrapping the Croke Park Agreement.

Which must be one of the stupidest strategy they could have come up with. For a start it was never ever going work. The CPA got enough backs in the first place and only gifted ammo to the likes of Marc Coleman, not that anyone pays much attention to him but you know the sort. We had the demo on a Saturday when Cowen et all were golfing and now we face the spectical of the Unions only coming back out of the woodwork when ESB is going up for sale.

Terrible PR, only alienating support the workers might have otherwise had.

[Griska]

The leadership hope that by keeping the unions silent the government will reward them by not scrapping the Croke Park Agreement.



The decision to keep or scrap CP isn't in the government's hands anymore.

[Legacy]

I sent a tweet out to four major unions last night asking them for support for #occupydamestreet like donating office space, supplies, etc. I await the avalanche of replies tomorrow....

[Griska]

In the US, the Unions have immediately related to "Occupy Wall Street."

The Irish movement seems to be completely under the control of full timers like Jack O'Connor, and similar, a tiny handful of people who play elitism for all its worth.

It's true.
People who have been at the top table so long, they're part of the family.

[Baron von Biffo]

Which must be one of the stupidest strategy they could have come up with. For a start it was never ever going work. The CPA got enough backs in the first place and only gifted ammo to the likes of Marc Coleman, not that anyone pays much attention to him but you know the sort. We had the demo on a Saturday when Cowen et all were golfing and now we face the prospect of then Unions only coming back out of the woodwork when ESB is going up for sale.

It always baffles me that Croke Park is seen as a good thing for workers.


Terrible PR, only alienating support the workers might have otherwise had.

PS workers got nothing but abuse from private sector workers when they tried to stand up for themselves over Lenihans duplicity. Remember all the arseholes on Whineline attacking the passport office staff?

They can forget about support from outside. The propaganda machine has successfully sold all the lies about a pay premium and Rolls Royce pensions. No matter that the facts say otherwise people will use the lies to justify support for a policy of ******** someone else in the foolish belief that they themselves will be left alone.

[C. Flower]

It always baffles me that Croke Park is seen as a good thing for workers.



PS workers got nothing but abuse from private sector workers when they tried to stand up for themselves over Lenihans duplicity. Remember all the arseholes on Whineline attacking the passport office staff?

They can forget about support from outside. The propaganda machine has successfully sold all the lies about a pay premium and Rolls Royce pensions. No matter that the facts say otherwise people will use the lies to justify support for a policy of scr someone else in the foolish belief that they themselves will be left alone.ewing


Press spin. I remember the Passport workers saying they were getting loads of support. They were an inspiration.

[Apjp]

I would advise anyone involved in the protests to contact UNITE. They were naive in their hope for left unity from Labour onwards in the last elections, but they have good hearts from the social democrats like the 'radical' Michael Taft to the slightly further left in Jimmy Deenihan(hope his last names right there, but its the Jimmy who always speaks at ULA and some SF rallies).

[Griska]

I would advise anyone involved in the protests to contact UNITE. They were naive in their hope for left unity from Labour onwards in the last elections, but they have good hearts from the social democrats like the 'radical' Michael Taft to the slightly further left in Jimmy Deenihan(hope his last names right there, but its the Jimmy who always speaks at ULA and some SF rallies).

Er, Jimmy Deenihan is a Fine Gael minister.
Is there another Jimmy Deenihan?

[Kid Ryder]

Er, Jimmy Deenihan is a Fine Gael minister.
Is there another Jimmy Deenihan?

It's Jimmy Kelly the SWooPer he's thinking of...;)

[Apjp]

hahahaha. apologies. Jimmy Kelly is it ;)

[fluffybiscuits]

I would advise anyone involved in the protests to contact UNITE. They were naive in their hope for left unity from Labour onwards in the last elections, but they have good hearts from the social democrats like the 'radical' Michael Taft to the slightly further left in Jimmy Deenihan(hope his last names right there, but its the Jimmy who always speaks at ULA and some SF rallies).

@Legacy/Apjp

Would be interested to hear if the unions are going to get on board. Let us know what their replies are. ! I am going to e mail Unite now to ask them if they are getting involved and talk to my union shop steward here and see what he says