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Count Bobulescu
05-10-2011, 08:52 AM
Notwithstanding the alternative offerings from Toyota, Nissan, GM, and others, this seems like a step up!

Tesla, the original all electric only, car company has just launched it’s first “family” car Sedan, the S series, starting at $49, 900 in the US. A $30K compact is in the pipeline. According to the website it’s original $100K+ roadster is available in 31 countries, so I would expect likewise for the S series. It also makes right hand drive versions

Given the higher petrol prices in Europe I’ve thought it would be a more attractive proposition there than here, provided the gummint doesn’t discriminate against electric vehicles on a tax basis. That might be wishful thinking, given the implications that electric cars have for the gummint’s ability to raise revenue from petrol taxes. US gummint gives a $7,500 tax credit to subsidize purchase. UK also provides subsidies.

Tesla is taking broadly the same approach to selling cars as Apple has taken to computers. Non traditional outlets. They have a showroom with four cars on the ground floor of an office building in downtown DC and other cities. Not another car dealership for maybe ten miles.
The primary founder of Tesla motors, Elon Musk, also founded PayPal, SpaceX and Solarcity.

http://www.teslamotors.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

TotalMayhem
05-10-2011, 10:24 AM
Behold, the Bobbycar for grown-ups. :D

http://i.imgur.com/UOkDm.jpg

morticia
05-10-2011, 09:36 PM
Seriously cool news, thanks....

Count Bobulescu
17-11-2011, 06:44 AM
Update.

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/16/where_the_electric_car_is_going/

Holly
17-11-2011, 10:17 AM
There are too many personal cars on our roads already instead of investing in public transport.

Count Bobulescu
17-11-2011, 05:20 PM
Twenty coach bullet trains crisscrossing Connemara, austerity be damned!

Count Bobulescu
11-02-2012, 06:03 AM
Tesla are now discontinuing their original $120K+ all electric roadster model that could outrun a Lamborghini after demonstrating proof of principle, and are starting to focus on less expensive vehicles. A sub $30k compact is planned in a couple of years. I hope this one doesn’t suffer from comparisons with Delorean.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57374536-76/teslas-model-x-finally-an-electric-car-we-all-want/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&tag=nl.e703

The company last night unveiled the Model X (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-57374369-48/tesla-model-x-electric-all-wheel-drive-and-crazy-folding-doors/), a sleek-looking cross between a minivan and SUV with clever "falcon wing" doors and a new electric all-wheel drive system. People can start placing reservations tomorrow for the Model X, which is expected to be available late next year with prices in the $55,000 to $75,000 range before tax incentives and rebates.

Beyond making an attractive crossover, Tesla has shown how electric vehicles open up new design possibilities. The Model X isn't just an electric version of competing SUVs, it's a luxury vehicle that has useful features that its internal combustion or hybrid cousins couldn't have.

The key to Tesla's cool design is the powertrain, built around a flat battery pack that extends from the front to rear wheels under the car. This provides a low center of gravity for good handling, but also allows for substantially more interior space than a vehicle with a transmission running under it.
Tesla Model X preview (photos) (http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-10863_7-10011260.html)
More
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/tesla-model-x-introduced-in-california/2012/02/10/gIQAbiGU4Q_story.html?tid=pm_pop

Count Bobulescu
01-03-2012, 04:50 PM
New electric car batteries said to deliver three times the punch for half the price. Big news if it pans out.


http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/envia-claims-breakthrough-in-lithium-ion-battery-cost-and-energy-density/

Envia Systems (http://enviasystems.com/), a battery maker based in California, announced on Monday what it called a “major breakthrough” in lithium (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/l/lithium_metal/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier)-ion cell technology that would result in a significant increase in the energy density — and a sharp reduction in the cost — of lithium-ion battery packs. Envia is financed by the Energy Department (http://arpa-e.energy.gov/Media/News.aspx?ItemId=26&vw=1) and G.M. Ventures, the venture-capital arm of General Motors, as well as other investors.
“We will be able to make smaller automotive packs that are also less heavy and much cheaper,” Atul Kapadia, chairman and chief executive of Envia, said in a telephone interview. “The cost of cells will be less than half — perhaps 45 percent — of cells today, and the energy density will be almost three times greater than conventional automotive cells.”
Mr. Kapadia continued: “What we have are not demonstrations, not experiments, but actual products. We could be in automotive production in a year and a half.”


“If it’s true, it’s a huge breakthrough, because the main problem for battery cars has been cost,” David Cole, chairman emeritus of the Center for Automotive Research (http://www.cargroup.org/research.html), a nonprofit research group based in Michigan, said in a telephone interview. “Right now, the lithium-ion battery is about three times as expensive as it should be for reasonable commercialization. That kind of cost target is the holy grail, and once it’s achieved it’s game on.”

Count Bobulescu
04-04-2012, 05:10 PM
Cool new Fisker EV plugin hybrid if it ever gets built at an affordable price.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/4/2924551/fisker-atlantic-sedan-concept-announced

Count Bobulescu
05-04-2012, 10:16 PM
I just noticed by the post to click ratio that there is interest in this thread. I’ll try to post a little more frequently. Here are a few pieces on the EV industry in general from the last couple of days.

Boeing is already using the lightweight materiel referenced below in their new 787 Dreamliner jet.

http://blog.rmi.org/blog_the_electric_car_lighter_less_costly_plugged_ in


This reversal of traditional industry and government priorities engages three steep learning curves (making more lowers the cost)—in ultralight materials, structural manufacturing, and electric powertrain—that together create a breakthrough competitive strategy. Surprisingly, the smaller powertrain plus the carbon-fiber autobodies’ radically simplified manufacturing, requiring only one-fifth the traditional amount of capital, pays for the carbon fiber, making ultralighting free. That is, such ultralight carbon-fiber cars cost no more to manufacture than today's steel autos, but their higher value makes them more profitable to make and sell.
Fallout from Solyndra has stalled clean energy loans. "The Energy Department was in such a rush three years ago to issue a loan to solar-panel maker Solyndra LLC that it gave the Treasury Department only a day to review the deal, according to a government report released Wednesday. Today, the situation is the opposite, industry officials say: The department is putting loans through such exacting reviews that some renewable-energy funds look as if they never will be disbursed. The issue came into focus Tuesday when the new chief executive of Fisker Automotive Inc. said the company would consider giving up on a hybrid-electric car factory in Delaware and building it overseas if it can't secure its financing. Until recently, the cornerstone of that financing was to come from a $529 million loan by the Energy Department...The department froze loan disbursements last May after Fisker missed a performance milestone, and the two sides have been negotiating since. Fisker now is seeking new partners." Ryan Tracy in The Wall Street Journal (http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/IKR2QE/YHYYAL/AWSTF8/PDVYTL/V18E29/9A/h). I
t would take years for most fuel-efficent cars to pay off. "Shoppers have more options than ever to fight back, including hybrids, plug-ins, electric vehicles and 'eco' or 'super fuel economy' packages. But opting for models that promise better mileage through new technologies does not necessarily save money, according to data compiled for The New York Times by TrueCar.com, an automotive research Web site. Except for two hybrids, the Prius and Lincoln MKZ, and the diesel-powered Volkswagen Jetta TDI, the added cost of the fuel-efficient technologies is so high that it would take the average driver many years -- in some cases more than a decade -- to save money over comparable new models with conventional internal-combustion engines. That is true at today’s pump prices, around $4, and also if gas were to climb to $5 a gallon, the data shows. Gas would have to approach $8 a gallon before many of the cars could be expected to pay off in the six years an average person owns a car." Nick Bunkley in The New York Times (http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/IKR2QE/YHYYAL/AWSTF8/PDVYTL/PR1W8D/9A/h). http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-05/electric-drive-vehicle-demand-recharged-by-gas-prices.html

(http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-05/electric-drive-vehicle-demand-recharged-by-gas-prices.html)

Just when it looked like electric cars were running out of juice, the return of $4 a gallon gasoline is generating new life for battery-powered vehicles.
Electric-drive vehicles, including hybrids, plug-in models and pure battery-powered cars, were the fastest-growing segment in the U.S. auto market in the first quarter, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Sales of those models rose 49 percent to 117,182 vehicles in the first quarter, from 78,527 a year earlier before Japan (http://topics.bloomberg.com/japan/)’s earthquake and tsunami pinched output.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/04/infiniti-le-concept/

If you’re waiting for a major automaker to fire the first shot across Tesla’s bow, the Infiniti LE Concept is it. Largely based on the bits that make up the Nissan LEAF, the LE is set to be the first mass-market luxury EV when it goes on sale in 2014. That sound you hear is Elon Musk nervously drumming his fingers on his desk.
The Infiniti LE Concept makes its world debut at the New York Auto Show, coming in at 186.4 inches in overall length, it’s about the same size as the automaker’s entry-level G37 sedan.

Count Bobulescu
07-04-2012, 04:52 PM
Incidentally, the book Reinventing Fire is not new; I’ve had it for at least three years. You can get it free/gratis/ and for nothing as well, on the interwebs at the embed and here.

http://www.rmi.org/Knowledge-Center/ReinventingFire

(http://www.rmi.org/Knowledge-Center/ReinventingFire)Why cars will keep getting lighter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/why-cars-will-keep-getting-lighter/2012/01/12/gIQARefVtP_blog.html#excerpt

A new book by Amory Lovins and the Rocky Mountain Institute, “Reinventing
(http://rmi.org/ReinventingFire)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/are-electric-cars-really-a-disappointment/2012/01/09/gIQArQVWlP_blog.html#pagebreak
Lately, much of the press coverage of electric cars has implied that the technology has been a huge letdown. See, for instance, USA Today’s story: “Are electric cars losing their spark?” (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/story/2011-12-20/electric-cars-problems/52131810/1) The angst mostly centers around sales: In 2011, the first year they were available, the Nissan Leaf and Chevrolet Volt sold just 17,345 units in the United States — slightly below expectations.

Placed in perspective, though, those weak sales don’t look all that apocalyptic. Over at the Rocky Mountain Institute, Randy Essex and Ben Holland point out (http://blog.rmi.org/why_so_many_critics_after_17000_ev_sales_in_first_ year)that when gas-electric hybrids first rolled out in 2000, the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius had sales of just 9,350. Those figures looked anemic at the time, too. But in the ensuing years, the technology caught on and more than 2 million hybrids have been sold in the United States. If that’s any prologue, it could bode well for future plug-ins.

But is this comparison apt? On the one hand, the new generation of electric vehicles enjoy a few advantages that Priuses didn’t. Gasoline prices sat below $2 per gallon back in 2000, considerably lower than today. What’s more, the latest round of fuel-economy standards, under which carmakers have to get their fleet averages up to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, should give the big auto companies incentive to roll out more plug-in vehicles in the coming years.

But then again, today’s electric cars also face special hurdles that the old hybrids didn’t. For one, there’s “range anxiety,” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/whats-wrong-with-the-electric-car-psychology-perhaps/2011/11/22/gIQAzYNHoN_blog.html) in which would-be buyers of electric cars sometimes fret that their batteries will run out of juice and leave them stranded. (The Chevy Volt, which is still more of a hybrid than a true all-electric, has a gas-powered back-up engine precisely in order to allay this fear, but that’s also added to the car’s price tag.)

What’s more, electric cars have recently had to endure panicky headlines over safety, after three separate Volt batteries caught fire in crash tests. On the technical merits, this wasn’t a huge worry: The batteries caught fire days or weeks after extreme crash testing in the laboratory, and even then the fires only broke out because post-crash procedures weren’t followed. As MSNBC’s Dan Carney snarks (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/01/9142147-volt-is-drivers-favorite-topping-even-porsche), “The lesson here is to get out of a crashed car within a few days, and be sure to turn off the lights when exiting.” There was also the little-noted fact that, as government statistics show (http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/statistics/v9i1.pdf) (PDF), some 250,000 gas-powered vehicles catch fire in real-life settings every year.

Still, as a new technology, this sort of disproportionate attention was inevitable. GM has now resolved the Volt’s battery issues, with new casings that will reportedly cost (http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2135979/volt-investigation-conclude-soon-gm-offers-fix) $1,000 per car, and the government’s probe into the fires is set to wind down soon. But until electric cars break through, they’ll likely continue to face a barrage of special scrutiny
FedEx EV van trials.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-04-05/fedexs-electric-vehicle-experiment

The problem, Sondi explains, is that each of these vans “requires the same amount of energy as an average suburban house.” If FedEx were to use an entire fleet of electric vans—roughly 100 to 200 vehicles per delivery center—when they recharged, their energy demands would be equivalent to a small neighborhood. And although they can go 100 miles per charge (and carry 3,300 lbs. of packages), once depleted they take eight hours to reach full capacity again. And guess what, Belfast’s famous DeLorean is coming back in 2013 as an all-electric at $95K. Lousy picture, car doesn't look great either.

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/delorean%20electric/# (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/delorean%20electric/)
(http://www.autoblog.com/tag/delorean%20electric/)
From the just finished NY auto show.

http://green.autoblog.com/2012/04/06/green-car-wrap-up-from-the-big-apple/

Have yer new Tesla model S built to order. Check the pricing and options button here. These cars will leave a Porche in the dust.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models

Count Bobulescu
10-04-2012, 07:29 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-05/electric-drive-vehicle-demand-recharged-by-gas-prices.html

Just when it looked like electric cars were running out of juice, the return of $4 a gallon gasoline is generating new life for battery-powered vehicles.
Electric-drive vehicles, including hybrids, plug-in models and pure battery-powered cars, were the fastest-growing segment in the U.S. auto market in the first quarter, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Sales of those models rose 49 percent to 117,182 vehicles in the first quarter, from 78,527 a year earlier before Japan (http://topics.bloomberg.com/japan/)’s earthquake and tsunami pinched output.
Sales of the Nissan Leaf electric car will take off in August when Nissan begins producing it in the U.S., boosting output and possibly lowering prices, Ghosn said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/sunday-review/the-electric-car-unplugged.html?_r=1

THE future would appear bright for the electric car (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/e/electric_vehicles/index.html?&inline=nyt-classifier). Gasoline prices are high. The government is spending billions on battery technology. Auto companies are preparing to roll out a dozen new electrified models. Concern is growing about the climate impacts of burning oil (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/energy-environment/oil-petroleum-and-gasoline/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier). And tough new fuel economy standards are looming. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/02/21/3-reasons-why-youre-not-buying-an-electric-car/

The electric car has arrived, but odds are that there isn't one in your driveway.
Several factors have gotten in the way of the eco-friendly automotive revolution, but at least now we can ask conspiracy theorists -- the ones arguing that oil companies and the government are blocking plug-in electric cars from the road -- to leave the room and take their tinfoil hats with them.

Holly
10-04-2012, 05:30 PM
If the future is bright for the electric car, I take it electricity is cheap in the USA.

riposte
10-04-2012, 06:21 PM
There are too many personal cars on our roads already instead of investing in public transport.

Holly... I have used public transport daily in Dublin for 60 years. Throughout that period it has been, unreliable, expensive (to me) and inefficient.

For all of that period the night-worker and the shift-worker have never been catered for and are still not catered for.

In many cases the nearest bus stop can be a mile or two from your destination.

I have spent many thousands of hours standing in the rain for buses that disappeared without trace from the time-table.

On long-distance buses I have seen them cruise by half-empty without stopping leaving passengers stranded in rural parts of the country.

Try to complain?...... are you joking?

Most of all ..... it has been my experience over the same period that those who advocate the use of public transport most vociferously..... never use it themselves.

Count Bobulescu
10-04-2012, 07:07 PM
If the future is bright for the electric car, I take it electricity is cheap in the USA.
Depends how you generate your electricity. Currently, per unit of energy, world oil is seven times more expensive than US Natural Gas. Hence the gas and fracking boom. Russian NG is priced around the same as oil. US NG $2.50 per unit and dropping, Russian $17. Oil is priced globally, NG locally.

Edited to add US NG now below $2.00

Count Bobulescu
14-04-2012, 04:37 AM
The future of driving is wireless. "Fender benders, rear-enders and those three-car pileups that back up traffic may be going the way of the buggy whip. Within a few years, cars whizzing down the highway will begin chatting among themselves. Once they all are equipped to join the conversation, every car will know the speed, distance and direction of every other car close enough to pose a risk...Just as it has changed so many other aspects of life, wireless technology is about to revolutionize the way we drive...It could cut highway fatalities and injuries by more than half, eliminating billions of dollars in medical bills. It could reduce by millions more what it costs to repair damage from the more than 6 million crashes each year. By governing the flow of traffic with real-time information, it can reroute drivers to avoid congestion and reduce time and fuel wasted while stuck in traffic." Ashley Halsey in The Washington Post (http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/92KH5M/GKGCF5/UH2D7Q/8GJGI0/9ZKM33/FW/h).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47022657/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/#.T4ZOp9lmNV

Owners of electric and hybrid cars just want plug in and charge up without thinking, but growing numbers of such vehicles could overload the aging U.S. power grid. A new project looks to stave off trouble by testing how cars and power grids can "talk" to figure out the best charging schedules.
Such tests would show how Honda's 2013 Fit electric vehicles (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47022657/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/) can delay or adjust charging times based on their own battery state and power grid (http://www.technewsdaily.com/3842-anonymous-knock-power-grid.html)conditions — all decided within seconds by the vehicles' onboard intelligence. IBM's online cloud computing will help the cars communicate with the U.S. power grid owned by the Pacific Gas and Electric Co., according to an official announcement scheduled for
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_20383629/tesla-nummi-factory-costs-electric-car-fisker

Gilbert Passin surveys the 50-year-old factory where Tesla Motors plans to make electric cars, and he sees a manufacturing bargain.
The former engineer for Toyota Motor, Volvo's Mack truck unit and Renault designed the secondhand Fremont plant. He equipped it with Ikea furniture and refurbished machinery to build battery-powered cars to take on the likes of BMW's 5 Series, starting in about two months.
"The cost to set this up was very, very low compared to any new plant," said Passin, vice president of manufacturing for Palo Alto-based Tesla. "Everything we are doing has a very good value return."
Holding down plant costs is crucial to the success of Tesla, led by Silicon Valley entrepreneur Elon Musk and which has yet to record its first profit, because regardless of how many consumers may want environmentally friendly cars, no rechargeable vehicle will be economically viable unless it can compete on price with conventional models.
With the going price to build a North American auto plant averaging $1 billion, Tesla may have spent less than a third that much to buy, renovate and equip its factory. It paid $42 million for the plant in 2010, spent $17 million for some of its presses and machinery, and got other used equipment at a "fraction" of the original cost from parts suppliers including Tower Automotive, said Passin, 51.

Holly
14-04-2012, 08:16 AM
Holly... I have used public transport daily in Dublin for 60 years. Throughout that period it has been, unreliable, expensive (to me) and inefficient.
This is not a criticism of the principle of public transport only the poor way it is managed in Ireland.


For all of that period the night-worker and the shift-worker have never been catered for and are still not catered for.
Again, poor management.


I have spent many thousands of hours standing in the rain for buses that disappeared without trace from the time-table.
A common abuse of the public by unaccountable state-managed enterprises. Remember, public transport need not be owned by a state politburo.


Try to complain?...... are you joking?
Unfortunate citizens of communist countries know the frustration.


Most of all ..... it has been my experience over the same period that those who advocate the use of public transport most vociferously..... never use it themselves.
I use only public transport as I am too poor to own and run a car. It is for this reason that public transport in Ireland is not better as the selfish use their own vehicles, withdrawing demand for a better public service. Americans know all about this.

Count Bobulescu
14-04-2012, 08:47 PM
Holly, I’m all in favor of public transport, and think it should be encouraged wherever possible, but it too has its downsides and limitations. When I’m in Dublin I have use of a car but always try to use bus and Dart. I’ll play Devil’s Advocate for a minute.

This I believe to be an absolute fact; there isn’t a public transport system anywhere in the world that is self sustaining. They all need further taxpayer subsidy of some sort, and that’s what taxes are for. That’s not a criticism, just a fact. The most common source of such funding is petrol and other vehicle taxes.

Take a hypothetical city with one million cars and one million daily public transport users in a system that is 80% self sustaining. Assume your goal is to reduce car drivers to 800,000 and increase public transport users to 1.2 million. Then you have 20% fewer drivers paying taxes on petrol so you have less revenue available for subsidy, but you have to provide service to 20% more people. So you have to increase both the taxes on petrol and the fares on public transport. And if you try to go to 600k drivers and 1.4M public it gets worse.

My point is that the appropriate balance is very difficult to find, otherwise someone would have figured it out ages ago.

Count Bobulescu
16-04-2012, 04:46 AM
Some updates. Lots of EV’s to compete on high profile mountain race.

http://www.torquenews.com/1079/electric-racer-tajima-challenges-conventional-engines-pikes-peak-race

Obviously, the inherent value of an electric motor is its instantaneous full torque that is available as soon as it spins. As you can imagine, this make the electric motor a formidable tool for racing, whether as a single propulsion means or added motor as in hybrids. It becomes even more so when you are dealing with hill climbs where torque is more important, at least for the first few yards than raw horsepower. Pikes Peak adds an extra challenge to this, that of not only racing 12.42 miles and negotiating over 156 turns, but also climbing 4,721 ft from the start to reach 9,390 ft later the top of Pikes Peak. It averages grades of 7% over what used to be historically both gravel and some paved sections. Unfortunately, as of August last year, the highway is now fully paved from start to finish. In this particular instance, gas engines have to be carefully tweaked to take into consideration atmospheric altitude condition, going from high air pressure found at the bottom to the rarified one at 14,110 ft. Many teams opt for an optimum performance at either high or low altitude, but can never take full advantage throughout the race. An electric motor knows no such problems. Feed it electrons and it will deliver peak performance, regardless of altitude. US hybrid and all-electric sales up 53% March over March.


http://www.freep.com/article/20120414/BUSINESS01/204140345/U-S-drivers-buy-a-record-number-of-hybrid-electric-cars-in-March?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s (http://www.freep.com/article/20120414/BUSINESS01/204140345/U-S-drivers-buy-a-record-number-of-hybrid-electric-cars-in-March?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7C s)

Americans are buying record numbers of hybrid and electric cars as gas prices climb and new models arrive in showrooms, giving the vehicles their greatest share yet of the U.S. auto market.
Consumers bought a record 52,000 gas-electric hybrids and all-electric cars in March, up from 34,000 during the same month last year.
The two categories combined made up 3.64% of total U.S. sales, their highest ever monthly market share, Ward's AutoInfoBank said. The previous high was 3.56% in July 2009, when the Cash for Clunkers program encouraged people to trade in old gas guzzlers for more fuel-efficient cars.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/automobiles/how-green-are-electric-cars-depends-on-where-you-plug-in.html

IT’S a lot like one of those math problems that gave you fits in sixth grade: a salesman leaves home in Denver and drives his electric car (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/e/electric_vehicles/index.html?&inline=nyt-classifier) to a meeting in Boulder. At the same time, a physicist driving the same model electric car sets out from her loft in Los Angeles, heading to an appointment near Anaheim.
For both, the traffic is light, and the cars consume an identical amount of battery power while traveling the same number of miles. Being purely electric, they emit zero tailpipe pollutants during their trips.
The test question: are their carbon footprints also equal?
The answer may be a surprise. According to a report that the Union of Concerned Scientists (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/union_of_concerned_scientists/index.html?inline=nyt-org) plans to release on Monday, there would be a considerable difference in the amount of greenhouse gases — primarily carbon dioxide
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dalebuss/2012/04/13/fords-tortoise-strategy-for-evs-may-yet-win-the-race/

Under CEO Alan Mulally, Ford mostly has been a corporate hare. Over the last few years, it has leapt into the industry lead in hybridization among the Detroit (http://www.forbes.com/places/mi/detroit/) Three, in automotive connectivity via Sync, in social-media marketing, and in other arenas. For the most part, that approach has worked.
But when it comes to all-electric vehicles, Ford is a decided tortoise. And at this point in what has proven a devilish race for some participants so far, Ford’s steady-as-she-goes strategy could prove to be a winner just as an aggressive approach has worked elsewhere.
http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/62525-chevy-volt-sales-surge-as-car-remains-political-pi-ata

Good thing GM is planning to start building Chevy Volts (http://www.earthtechling.com/tag/volt/) again soon - March saw 2,289 of the cars sold, by far the biggest month ever for the plug-in electric, the company reported (http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2012/Apr/gmsales).


Nissan, meanwhile, said sales of its all-electric Leaf also climbed, though more modestly, from 478 in February to 579 in March [PDF (http://nissannews.com/releases/174ad096-56a4-45cc-bbea-2ce2739bdd3c/download/8a8bd7cf-e480-4551-abb7-a7a5bc5f2835?l=en-US)].

Count Bobulescu
17-04-2012, 06:40 PM
Ford’s First EV
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/04/ford-focus-electric/

Ford is at the onset of a massive push towards electrification. The Blue Oval estimates that between 10 and 25 percent of its products will be “electrified” by 2020, with a mix of traditional hybrids and plug-in versions joining a brace of new EVs. And its first all-electro-powered product is this: the 2013 Ford Focus Electric (http://www.wired.com/autopia/tag/ford-focus-electric/).
Ford announced plans to electrify its Focus compact at last year’s CES and the automaker has already begun handing out its EV hatch to fleets, including the delivery of the first Focus Electric to Google. Later in 2012, Ford will begin selling the Focus to consumers in 19 markets across North America, with prices starting at $39,200 – or about $4,000 more than the Nissan LEAF before taxes and any state or federal government incentives.
But do you want it?
This all adds up to one of the most compelling EVs available from a mass-market automaker, combining a gas-free existence with a suitable entertaining driving experience. We’ve waited long enough for an automaker to deliver on both fronts, and Ford seems to have arrived there first. But we won’t make a definitive call until we can put the Focus Electric through its paces as a commuter-cum-corner-carver. More Good news
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-16/battery-prices-for-electric-vehicles-fall-14-bnef-says.html
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he average price of lithium-ion battery packs for electric vehicles (http://topics.bloomberg.com/electric-vehicles/) fell 14 percent in the past year as production capacity exceeded demand, Bloomberg New Energy Finance said.
Batteries cost $689 a kilowatt-hour in the first quarter of 2012, compared with $800 a year earlier, the London-based research company said today in a statement.
Prices for batteries have dropped 30 percent since 2009, making electric vehicles less expensive.
“Batteries are one of the biggest drivers of the cost of electric vehicles,” New Energy Finance Chief Executive Officer Michael Liebreich said in the statement. “A sharp decline in price may be unwelcome for battery manufacturers, but it is essential for the long-term health of the sector.”

Count Bobulescu
20-04-2012, 04:41 AM
Some EV Updates

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomkonrad/2012/04/18/report-electric-cars-cost-less-but-watch-the-assumptions/

Pike Research just released a report on the Total Cost of Ownership of Alternative Fuel Vehicles for Fleet Operators (http://www.pikeresearch.com/research/total-cost-of-ownership-of-alternative-fuel-vehicles-for-fleet-operators). The report compares the purchase price plus lifetime fuel cost of mid-sized cars available in the US.

Although the authors hesitate to declare any alternative fuel the cheapest option, the chart below clearly shows that the “BEV-100″ (Battery-Electric with 100-mile range, a.k.a. the Nissan Leaf) to be the least expensive option even at high electricity prices ($0.14/kwh) and low gas prices ($3/gallon.) However, the Leaf only has a clear lead when the $7500 tax credit is taken into account.
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/electric-cars-greenest-roads-power-source-study-article-1.1063629?localLinksEnabled=false

Any doubts about the environmental friendliness of electric cars are completely unfounded.
This is according a new report from the Union of Concerned Scientists, which claims that electric vehicles are cleaner than any alternative, even when coal is used to generate the electricity.

The report, released this week, is the first time researchers have addressed the question of the environmental impact of electric vehicles depending on what sort of method has been used to produce the electricity they are charged with.
It is designed to tackle one of the charges often leveled against EVs by some skeptics that the vehicles have a high carbon footprint if they use electricity generated from a coal-burning power plant, for example.

The study found that in every part of the U.S., electric vehicles outperform most gasoline-powered cars when it comes to emissions.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-19/china-to-give-stimulus-for-development-of-electric-vehicles-1-.html
China, the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases (http://topics.bloomberg.com/greenhouse-gases/), said it will provide financial support and individual subsidies to promote the use and development of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles.

The government will broaden pilot programs, build recharging facilities and develop a plan to recycle batteries, as part of a drive to have 500,000 such vehicles by 2015, rising to 5 million by 2020, the State Council, or cabinet, said in a statement (http://www.gov.cn/ldhd/2012-04/18/content_2116641.htm) posted on its website yesterday.

“This clarifies the direction for all participants, carmakers, consumers, regulators,” said Thomas McGuckin, Shanghai-based partner who oversees the Asia Pacific automotive practice at PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. “The price point, infrastructure and consumer usage patterns will ultimately determine adoption.”
http://www.eco-business.com/news/china-wants-5-mn-hybrid-electric-vehicles-on-the-road-by-2020/

China, the world’s largest auto market, wants to put 5 million hybrids and electric vehicles (EV) on the road between now and 2020, the government said on Wednesday, in the latest update of its green vehicle target.

A green vehicle development plan approved by China’s State Council, also set the cumulative output level of such vehicles at the same level by 2020, according to a brief statement on the central government’s website.

That compared with the 1 million 2020 EV output goal put forward by China’s science and technology minister Wan Gang in October 2010. Other officials had said they wanted to have half a million EVs on the road by then.
Beijing has been pushing electric car industry with hefty subsidies. The government had also pledged to invest 100 billion yuan ($15.87 billion) to shore up the fledgling industry by 2020.

Sales have been dismal due to high battery costs and lack of charging facilities.
Output of hybrids and EVs came to merely 8,368 last year, with sales at 8,159, including those for government pilot programmes for e-taxis and e-buses, official data showed.
China saw sales of 14.5 million cars in 2011. The country’s car market declined 1.3 percent in the first quarter, on the slowing economy and higher fuel prices.

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/19/150923707/how-a-western-problem-led-to-new-drilling-rules

Any doubts about the environmental friendliness of electric cars are completely unfounded.
This is according a new report from the Union of Concerned Scientists, which claims that electric vehicles are cleaner than any alternative, even when coal is used to generate the electricity.

The report, released this week, is the first time researchers have addressed the question of the environmental impact of electric vehicles depending on what sort of method has been used to produce the electricity they are charged with.
It is designed to tackle one of the charges often leveled against EVs by some skeptics that the vehicles have a high carbon footprint if they use electricity generated from a coal-burning power plant, for example.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/electric-cars-greenest-roads-power-source-study-article-1.1063629#ixzz1sW0IdGIv (http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/electric-cars-greenest-roads-power-source-study-article-1.1063629#ixzz1sW0IdGIv)

Count Bobulescu
28-04-2012, 11:16 PM
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-autos-ford-focus-20120426,0,7766653.story


Car shoppers will soon find two Ford Focus sedans sitting side by side when they visit the dealership — one with a gas tank and another with batteries.

In a milestone for the auto industry, an automaker will give consumers an option to purchase the same model of a vehicle with either a traditional combustion engine or one powered only by electricity. It will mark the first time that buyers can compare the different powertrains on the same car.

An electric Focus, next to the gas version, provides, "more transparency to what it means to pay for an electric vehicle," said Thilo Koslowski, an automotive analyst at research firm Gartner Inc. (http://www.latimes.com/topic/economy-business-finance/gartner-incorporated-ORCRP006337.topic)

Ford Motor Co. (http://www.latimes.com/topic/economy-business-finance/manufacturing-engineering/automotive-equipment/ford-motor-co.-ORCRP006077.topic)'s strategy of producing an electric car that shares the platform, body style and many components of the standard gasoline model is a departure from other automakers pioneering the electric car market. It will also make it easier for shoppers to figure out the economics of electric vehicle ownership.

The first electric entrants — the Nissan Leaf and the plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt — are stand-alone models designed from the ground up without gasoline-only siblings.

"It takes away the apples and oranges comparison," said Rebecca Lindland, an analyst with IHS Automotive. "To some extent it will be the same as offering both V-6 and a V-8 in the same model or an automatic or manual transmission. It becomes just an option."

Consumers will find that the electric version is considerably more expensive, at least initially.

The electric Focus has a sticker price of $39,995 with destination fees. That compares with about $25,000 for a similarly equipped gasoline model. But shoppers will also have to make adjustments for incentives, such as the $7,500 federal tax credit for electric vehicles, and regional inducements such as California's $2,500 rebate. Then they must add the cost of a home-charging station: about $2,000.

Depending on the trim level of the gasoline Focus, the payback from fuel savings at current gas prices for the electric version will take seven to 11 years. When Honda comes out with the electric version of its Fit subcompact this summer, consumers will get a second vehicle that directly compares with a gasoline model.

How to benchmark electric car prices against gasoline counterparts has been hotly debated by analysts, manufacturers and consumers.

Mark Perry, Nissan North America's director of product planning, cringes when he reads comparisons between the automaker's Leaf and its tiny Versa, Nissan's budget-oriented, entry-level car. He points out that the Leaf has more interior space, features and technology than the Versa.

But that was exactly the vehicle Lacey Plache, chief economist for Edmunds.com, used when discussing why the higher price of electric vehicles was a large barrier to consumer acceptance.

"Compared to a Nissan Versa, a Leaf owner would have to hold on to the Leaf for seven years in order to recoup the price difference through fuel-cost savings" with gas at $4 per gallon, Plache said.

When one online Leaf owners group discussed what gasoline vehicles best compared to Nissan's electric car, they came up with a disparate list that included a well-equipped Mazda3, the Volkswagen Golf, Toyota Prius and ironically, the gasoline Focus.

In an interview with The Times, Ford Chief Executive Alan Mulally said the company's plan to sell electric- and gas-powered versions of the same car gives consumers what he called with a smile, "the power of choice."

Ford's approach to assembling the car allows the company to quickly scale up or scale down production depending on demand, he said.

"We can't guess what the demand is going to be, but it's on the same line [with the gas-engine Focus] and 70% to 80% of the parts are the same, so you can imagine the efficiencies," Mulally said.

The former Boeing Co. (http://www.latimes.com/topic/economy-business-finance/manufacturing-engineering/aerospace-manufacturing/boeing-co.-ORCRP017215.topic) executive who built jetliners also acknowledged that for now, price presents a giant hurdle for consumer acceptance of battery-electric vehicles. Electric vehicles will be more expensive than their gas counterparts for the foreseeable future, he said. To close the price gap, automakers will need much greater sales volume and breakthroughs in battery technology.

The battery is the most expensive component on what otherwise would be a roughly $22,000 compact car. The weight of the batteries is another issue because the extra pounds reduce an electric vehicle's range.

Giving a rare peek at the cost structure of electric-vehicle production, Mulally said a 23 kilowatt-hour battery like the lithium-ion unit in the Focus and similar to what's going in other pure electric vehicles weighs about 600 to 700 pounds and costs $12,000 to $15,000 — more than half the retail value of a similar-size internal-combustion car.

Hybrids, such as Ford's Fusion and the Toyota Prius, have retail prices much closer to conventional gasoline engine cars because their batteries are much smaller and add about $2,000 to the cost of the vehicle.

"You can see why the economics are what they are," he said.

Ford's strategy with the electric Focus reflects its overall goal to reduce the number of platforms it produces globally to drive volume and economies of scale and reduce manufacturing and design expenses. It also demonstrates the different ways automakers are approaching this nascent market, Koslowski, the Gartner analyst, said.

With the exception of the distinctive "kidney" grill, the i3 electric vehicle that BMW plans to launch next year will share almost no components with the automaker's other vehicles. It is an entirely new platform that uses an aluminum chassis, carbon-fiber upper body and thermoplastic body panels, said Richard Steinberg, BMW's manager of electric vehicle operations and strategy.

The design allows BMW to mount the battery low in the car, which improves handling and allows the automaker to maximize interior space.

Nissan, by comparison, also designed its Leaf from scratch to maximize space but eschewed expensive materials such as carbon fiber to keep the price low. The Leaf retails for $36,020 with destination fees, about 10% less than the electric Focus. BMW has not discussed pricing.

Koslowski said the dedicated "ground-up" approaches of BMW and Nissan "probably create a superior driving experience in an electric vehicle but is much more of a gamble because of their greater expense and the fact that the demand for electric vehicles is still a big question mark.

"Ford's plan is more cost effective, and probably safer." http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818

Mass adoption of Electric vehicles (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818) might only be a few years away. The key to adoption of electric vehicles is the acquisition cost, infrastructure and range of the vehicles. Current range of most Electric Vehicles (EV's) in the market is equivalent to having a 2 gallon fuel tank (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818). Although most of us do not use 2 gallon of gasoline (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818) in our everyday commute, we would all have a range anxiety if our cars had only 2 gallon fuel (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818) tanks. We would immediately demand gas stations (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818) are built near our workplace, shopping centers, airports and homes, before we purchased an automobile.

Similar is the case of range anxiety with electric vehicles. Lot of consumers, are not aware that we are only one generation of battery chemistry away from a six (6) gallon fuel tank equivalent. The next generation battery will also solve the infrastructure issues related to electric power (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818) grid. Imagine a 6 gallon tank equivalent EV, which would be equivalent to 250 mile range on a single charge, sufficient for EV users to come home charge their vehicles during off-peak hours. This would require much smaller home chargers that do not need upgrade of home infrastructure, and does not impact electric grid during peak hours. Similarly, businesses will be able to adopt EV's for distribution applications, charging their trucks (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27818), vans or other vehicles at their business facility during the night.
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Count Bobulescu
10-05-2012, 12:35 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-09/tesla-loss-widens-as-roadster-ends-model-s-due-in-june.html

Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), the electric-car company founded by Elon Musk, said its first-quarter loss widened to $89.9 million before the release of a new model and as sales of Roadster sports cars ended. The company said a new supply agreement with Daimler AG (DAI) also may boost sales.

Revenue dropped 38 percent to $30.2 million from the year- earlier quarter. Tesla said it’s advancing Model S sedan deliveries to June, rather than July, and that it has more than 10,000 orders for the battery-powered vehicle.
“At this relatively early stage, things do look promising for Tesla,” said Ed Kim, director of analysis for Tustin, California-based AutoPacific Inc., an industry researcher. “Coming out ahead of schedule with Model S, securing orders and deals, they’re attaining the goals they need to.”
The startup named for inventor Nikola Tesla wants to be the leading producer of premium all-electric vehicles with the addition of the Model S, followed by the Model X sport-utility vehicle in 2013. The addition of those products and supply agreements to Toyota Motor Corp. (7203) and Daimler may bring Tesla’s first profit by next year.

Tesla’s agreement with shareholder Daimler is “to create an entire electric powertrain for a new Mercedes-Benz EV,” Musk and Chief Financial Officer Deepak Ahuja said in a statement. “This program is expected to exceed in value the sum of all powertrain agreements signed in Tesla history.”

Holly
10-05-2012, 01:09 PM
I'm pretty sure no country can benefit from American example when it comes to conservation of energy.

Count Bobulescu
10-05-2012, 06:46 PM
I'm pretty sure no country can benefit from American example when it comes to conservation of energy.
I dunno Holly, things are changing, maybe not as fast as we would all like, but changing nonetheless. I now send about twice as much thrash to recycling as to the landfill. If Ireland had solar potential, I bet you’d get lots of takers for this Google inspired deal. Free Solar Panels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/business/energy-environment/solar-installers-offer-homeowners-deals-gaining-converts.html

HOLMDEL, N.J. — Jay Nuzzi, a New Jersey state trooper, had put off installing solar panels on his home here for years, deterred by the $70,000 it could cost. Then on a trip to Home Depot, he stumbled across a booth for Roof Diagnostics, which offered him a solar system at a price he couldn’t refuse: free.

C. Flower
10-05-2012, 10:14 PM
I dunno Holly, things are changing, maybe not as fast as we would all like, but changing nonetheless. I now send about twice as much thrash to recycling as to the landfill. If Ireland had solar potential, I bet you’d get lots of takers for this Google inspired deal. Free Solar Panels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/business/energy-environment/solar-installers-offer-homeowners-deals-gaining-converts.html

The big car story here today has been the permit for driverless cars in Nevada. Also run by Google.

If a car has to be in Nevada, I guess driverless is the best way for it to be.

I had a friend who ran out of gas there once, and nearly died of heat stroke.

Count Bobulescu
12-05-2012, 01:47 PM
The big car story here today has been the permit for driverless cars in Nevada. Also run by Google.

If a car has to be in Nevada, I guess driverless is the best way for it to be.

I had a friend who ran out of gas there once, and nearly died of heat stroke.
After a slow start, because of a failed attempt in the early 90’s the concept of EV’s is taking off again in the US. I just thought Europe would be farther along because the much higher price of petrol provides greater incentive. Looks like the Dutch as is often the case in transport matters are the European innovators/early adopters.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2012/05/11/the-global-electric-vehicle-movement-best-practices-from-16-cities/


Global leaders want to have 20 million electric vehicles (EVs) on the road worldwide by 2020. Last year, some 40,000 EVs and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) were sold around the world. If the J-shaped growth expectations are to be realized, the cost of advanced batteries must continue to fall and smart policies must accelerate the adoption of EVs in urban areas.
A new report published by the International Energy Agency (IEA) tackles the latter. The EV City Casebook (PDF), compiled by IEA with the Rocky Mountain Institute, the Clean Energy Ministerial’s Electric Vehicles Initiative, and C40 Cities, details best practices from 16 cities in nine countries.
The profiled cities, from Shanghai to the tiny Goto Islands of Japan, account for 30% of the EVs on the road today. The other cities profiled are Amsterdam; Barcelona; Berlin; BrabantStad (The Netherlands); Hamburg; Helsinki; Kanagawa Prefecture (Japan); Los Angeles; New York City; North East England; Portland (Oregon); Research Triangle (North Carolina); Rotterdam; and Stockholm. (For more detail about efforts under way to promote EVs in Portland, read my profile of Electric Avenue and distillation of 10 EV charging lessons learned published at this blog in March.)

Count Bobulescu
24-05-2012, 02:53 AM
Hmm! Looks like the EV market is not taking off in the UK like it is in the US. I find this surprising given that fuel is so much more expensive in Europe.

http://www.energylivenews.com/2012/05/17/uk-electric-cars-industry-has-%E2%80%9Clong-way-to-go%E2%80%9D/


Experts say the UK still has a “long way to go” with developing electric cars, on the back of news earlier this week that Oxford is to get a large number of EV charging points across the city.
Lorna Pimlott, Ernst & Young’s Head of Electric Vehicles & Infrastructure said: “It’s very encouraging to see that Oxford is playing such a leading role in promoting the acceleration of Electric Vehicles (EV) in the UK. However, the overall EV market still has a long way to go.”
She said the “scarce supply” of electric models means prices are high, beyond the reach of most household, adding: “What we really need to see now is the automotive, infrastructure, technology and utility sectors working more collaboratively, to reduce the overall cost of EV ownership, so as to encourage mass market appeal for cash strapped drivers.”http://www.triplepundit.com/2012/05/fedex-energy-efficiency-goals/


FedEx Express announced this week that its entire vehicle feet is becoming more energy efficient at a faster rate than the company had originally planned. While the logistic giant’s diesel trucks have improved their overall mileage and emissions performance, FedEx has added more electric vehicles while experimenting with new engines, more sustainable transportation options and composite materials.
The slow but steady shift towards more fuel efficient vehicles is important because despite all the calls to “buy” local, the truth is that Americans are buying online: over $200 billion annually and growing. With more consumers spending more time on eBay, Amazon, and even Etsy than at the local shopping mall or farmers’ market, the pressure is on the logistic companies to demonstrate that they are doing more to ameliorate the effects their business has on the environment.
http://www.hybridcars.com/news/mercedes-benz-readying-fuel-cell-sedan-2017-launch-46065.html


According to Sascha Simon, head of Advanced Product Planning at Mercedes-Benz USA, the company is on track to launch an updated B-Class F-Cell for 2015 in California, with a “regular” sedan slated to follow in 2017.
However, Mercedes-Benz is adamant that its fuel cell vehicles look and feel like regular passenger cars as much as possible, thus the sedan is likely to be a derivative of the E-Class. The reasoning is that customers are more likely to consider fuel cell vehicles if they’re familiar with the shape and form of the car, despite its method of propulsion.

“We are not intending to build a particular fuel cell sub-brand that looks and feels different,” Simon said. “Our customers would like to drive our E-Class as a fuel cell car. It would work beautifully in a regular sedan shape – normal Mercedes luxury but filled with hydrogen.”
Simon is also convinced that ultimately, hydrogen fuel cell technology “has the potential to take over the internal combustion engine, together with pure battery EVs in their niche.”
However, despite his views, persuading the federal government, particularly Energy Secretary Stephen Chu on the merits of fuel cell technology might prove tougher.

Three years ago, the Obama Administration essentially abandoned a program launched by the preceding U.S. Government which focused on hydrogen fuel cell technology as the de-facto choice for future vehicle propulsion; Chu instead chose to direct efforts into EV and battery development, with the idea it would help wean the U.S. off oil consumption, lower emissions and boost domestic manufacturing.
That said, in recent months, Slate magazine says Chu has apparently softened his stance on fuel cells, according to information gleaned from the incoming chairman of the Department of Energy’s Technical Advisory Committee John Hofmeister. This could help increase viability of the technology as a major future source for vehicle propulsion.

Mercedes-Benz has so far been one of the most significant proponents of fuel cell technology, thanks to developing a slew of concept cars and engineering vehicles. In fact, Simon says that because of the progress made “it is as easy to build a fuel cell car today as an ICE (internal combustion engine) car.” Currently Mercedes-Benz USA has 37 B-Class F-Cell models being leased by Southern California customers and served by several hydrogen fuel cell filing stations. Availability of the B-Class F-Cell, which delivers an estimated EPA driving range of 190 miles and a refueling time of three minutes, will expand to Northern California next month.

Although developing an adequate infrastructure for fuel cell vehicles remains a major obstacle, with little vested interest by oil companies in complimenting existing filling stations with hydrogen pumps; Simon says that a bigger incentive for fuel cells versus EVs; boils down to the cost of fuel stacks relating to electric battery packs.

“If you obviously have a price premium for batteries that is not going down over the next 10 years, I would argue that a pure fuel cell vehicle is more efficient versus a plug-in,” he said. “If you look at the plug-in world right now, the current numbers don’t bode so well. We haven’t seen a drop in prices in batteries we’d like to see.”
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-tesla-model-s-20120522,0,3950552.story


Tesla Motors Inc. said it will begin delivering its first mass production electric car -– the high-end Model S to customers starting June 22, about a month ahead of the expected schedule.

The Palo Alto-based company says it has more than 10,000 orders for the battery-powered car but that not all will be delivered this year.
The announcement of early deliveries by the company co-founded by tech industrialist and chief executive Elon Musk came on the same day that SpaceX, another Musk company, became the first private business to launch a spacecraft to the International Space Station. The mission is the first test of NASA’s plans to outsource space missions to privately funded companies.

Tesla announced the Model S news in a company blog post in which it also explained that the vehicle will offer a high degree of personalization to individual driving habits.
For example, electric vehicles such as the Model S as well as hybrid cars come with what is known as regenerative braking systems, which feeds braking energy back into the battery to preserve the vehicle’s charge. Some drivers complain that such systems can be abrupt, slowing a vehicle with a feel that’s similar to a sudden down shift in a car with a manual transmission.

Tesla said Model S drivers will be able to adjust the braking feel, but warned that a lighter touch to the brakes will feed less energy back to the battery and reduce the electric car’s range.

Count Bobulescu
13-06-2012, 01:36 AM
Honda’s FIT 118 mpg equivalent

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20120610/GPG03/206100447/Mileage-champ-Honda-s-Fit-electric-vehicle



A battery maker is claiming a breakthrough. "On Tuesday, A123 Systems will unveil a new battery technology that the company says is a breakthrough in the industry. The advance uses a new chemistry that could permit the creation of a simpler, lighter, longer-lasting battery pack that does not require a system to cool or heat it. The success or failure of the new technology may well determine the fate of A123. It will also render an early verdict on Mr. Obama’s broader push to promote electric cars and build a domestic industry to develop and manufacture advanced batteries to run them. The president’s prediction of a million electric cars on the road by 2015 seems unattainable...So far this year, combined sales of the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid and Nissan Leaf electric car total less than 10,000 vehicles...Yet the major automakers remain committed to electric vehicles so far, and G.M. has given A123 the contract to supply batteries for the Chevrolet Spark, an all-electric minicar due next year." Bill Vlasic and Matthew Wald in The New York Times.

The self driving electric car.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/08/self_driving_car


Is the electric car then history? Will the Leaf and the Volt go the way of the ill-fated EV1, General Motors' electric car from the 1990s? If the status quo persists, they very well might. There are, however, reasons to believe that electric cars might find a viable niche after all -- if we use them in the right way.

For the last several years, Google has been testing self-driving cars, primarily in California and Nevada. Its vehicles use lasers, radars, and other sensors to establish their position and identify objects around them. This data is interpreted by artificial intelligence software that enables the vehicle to drive itself. Google's vehicles have now proved themselves in hundreds of thousands of miles on the road. And Google's not the only game in town. Bosch is also developing the technology, and Cadillac has promised to have a car capable of driving autonomously on the highway by 2015. Self-driving technology is gradually moving to commercialization, and when it does, it will liberate the car from its driver, enabling a vehicle to serve more users.

According to the Transportation Department, the average U.S. vehicle is used less than one hour per day -- a utilization rate of about 5 percent. Many Americans only drive their cars to work, park, and leave them until they drive home at night, making them essentially unavailable for use by others for most of the day. But if the car could drive itself, it could return home to take the children to school, members of the family shopping, and seniors to visit friends or keep appointments. If the vehicle served even one additional passenger, its utilization rate would double, and its capital cost per user would fall by half.

This is exactly the solution needed to remedy the poor economics that currently stymie electric vehicles. Even if better or cheaper batteries are not developed, electric cars could still be economically viable if their utilization rates were double those of today's gasoline-powered vehicles.

Count Bobulescu
24-06-2012, 09:42 PM
Two big developments in the electric vehicle industry recently.

1: The Chinese led consortium that have bought Saab, say they plan to turn it into an exclusively electric vehicle producer.


A Chinese-Japanese investment group agreed to buy Saab Automobile and convert the bankrupt Swedish manufacturer into a maker of electric cars.
The first vehicle under the plan will be based on Saab’s 9-3 car and will go on sale early in 2014, with China as the main market, purchaser National Electric Vehicle Sweden AB and the bankruptcy administrators for Trollhaettan-based Saab said today in a joint statement. The parties agreed not to disclose the price of Saab’s sale.

We’re striving to be a world-leading company for electric cars,” Mattias Bergman, a spokesman for National Electric Vehicle Sweden, said at a press conference in Trollhaettan. “It’s not only about China being a big market for electric cars, it’s also about China having the ability to make the investments required and build the needed infrastructure.”

The purchasing group consists of Hong Kong-based renewable- energy power-plant builder National Modern Energy Holdings Ltd., which owns 51 percent, and Japanese investment firm Sun Investment. The Swedish manufacturer would be entering a market that includes the Chevrolet Volt, made by former Saab owner General Motors Co. (GM), and Fisker Automotive Inc.’s $103,000 Karma hybrid gasoline-electric sports car, models that have been the subject of U.S. probes following vehicle fires.
Read more
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-13/chinese-japanese-consortium-said-to-buy-bankrupt-saab-automobile.html

2: Tesla Motors of California began deliveries of its mid range Model S beginning at around $50K and delivering the functional equivalent of 87mpg at US petrol and electricity prices. A battery charge has a range of just under 270 miles. Tesla got 10,000 people to drop a $5k deposit on the car two years ago. They plan to deliver all 10,000 in 2012, and a further 20,000 in 2013.

They have one more mid range model to come, and in about two years plan to have a sub $30k compact that will deliver the equivalent of 120mpg+.


FREMONT, Calif.--Lined up before me were 10 examples of the Model S, newly off the production line, the result of years of investment and development. This silent herd awaited a group of journalists eager to finally get their hands on the wheel and foot on the accelerator. We were here to see if Tesla had fulfilled its promise of building an electric car that could compete with those from likes of Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz.

Certainly from the exterior, the car looked desirable. Although it's billed as a sedan, a hatch sat between the Model S' big rear fenders, opening up a large cargo space with optional rear-facing seats. Its smooth, sensuous lines and minimal exterior adornment spoke of expensive design.
Body-flush door handles might seems like a styling gimmick, but they actually served the purpose of improving the car's aerodynamics. Tesla says the Model S makes an astoundingly good .24 coefficient of drag, better than even the Toyota Prius.

The cabin also showed a minimalist luxury, emphasizing smooth surfaces. Necessary pieces, such as interior door handles, had unique shapes to give the car its own character.

The dashboard was left very bare, the single 17-inch touch screen dominating the middle, with just one solid button for the emergency flashers. Other automakers have tried putting all cabin controls on a screen, but relented with things such as climate control and volume knobs. Tesla is sticking to the touch-screen paradigm, albeit with a row of climate controls always docked at the bottom of the LCD. And there is volume control on the steering wheel.

I sat in the car with a Tesla minder in the passenger seat and CNET photographer James Martin in the rear. Getting myself situated, I expected the power seat controls just because of the general sense of luxury in the cabin. I was pleased to find a stubby stalk on the steering wheel column that let me adjust its position. Unlike the Nissan Leaf, which minimizes creature comforts to maximize range, Tesla offers the accoutrements one would expect from a premium car.

I happened to be sitting in a Model S with the Signature Performance trim, which meant a larger inverter than the standard model, giving it 0-to-60 mph acceleration of 4.4 seconds. It also had the 85 kilowatt-hour battery pack, which is good for an EPA-rated range of 265 miles.

Put in Drive with the selector stalk, the car began to creep forward, at a slow pace fine for stop-and-go traffic or seeking a space in a crowded parking lot. Then I touched the accelerator. The response was instantaneous. A push of my foot, and the car surged forward. It took very little to make the car move, and in my initial flirtation with the Model S, I felt the accelerator might even be too sensitive, at least for crawling around residential streets at the posted limits.
Read more

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-57459125-48/tesla-model-s-first-drive-quiet-satisfaction/

Count Bobulescu
14-07-2012, 11:50 PM
The new Tesla is getting rave reviews. here’s just one. Note the base model Tesla is $50K, and they plan a sub $30K in 2-3 years.



THIS TESLA MODEL S thing you’ve heard so much about? You know, all-electric sedan, Silicon Valley, that guy from SpaceX? This is one amazing car. I mean, hard-core amazing. But first and foremost, gentle reader, it goes like the very stink of hell. Fifty-to-100-mph acceleration in the $97,900 Signature Performance model I drove is positively Lambo-like and…wait, let’s stop right there:
http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2012/07/06/review-tesla-model-s-electric-sedan/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/07/11/why-tesla-is-beating-gm-ford-and-toyota-at-electric-cars/

http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=28258


Meanwhile, Mitsubishi are out with the i-MIEV--the first all electric at under $30K. It gets 126 mpg equivalent, but unfortunately the range is only 62 miles, so it’s a scoot around for now.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=1751078&title=Mitsubishi%27s%20electric%20car%20sells%20fo r%20under%20$30K


Electric cars to be wirelessly charged through cable laid in the road.

http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/electric-cars-can-be-wirelessly-charged-through-10cm-thick-concrete-roads-2012076/

Count Bobulescu
21-10-2012, 11:27 PM
ALL TECH CONSIDERED
Tesla's Big Gamble: Can The Electric Car Go Mainstream?
Tesla Motors is an automotive rarity — a startup, and a car company that comes out of Silicon Valley, not Detroit or Japan or Germany. Tesla hopes the technology it uses to make electric cars will upend the industry.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/09/25/161700525/teslas-big-gamble-can-the-electric-car-go-mainstream?ft=3&f=127088640&sc=nl&cc=bh-20120926


Click the lower of the two vids at this link to see the BMW Tesla face-off


http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/10/new-tesla-model-s-stuns-2013-bmw-m5-in.html



http://www.slashgear.com/tesla-unveils-six-supercharger-stations-in-california-20252989/

Count Bobulescu
03-11-2012, 10:47 PM
Tesla Model S Starts Racking Up Vehicle of the Year Awards
PluginCars.com -


Unlike most electric cars, Tesla's torque amounts to a prodigious 443 lb-ft, all of which goes to the rear wheels. The only indicators of your stunning momentum are the rush of scenery around you, a faint whine, and the digital speedometer's difficulty .

Automobile magazine's "2013 Automobile of the Year" award went to the Tesla Model S. Here's an excerpt from Automobile that explains why:

Actually, the Model S can blow away almost anything. "It's the performance that won us over," admits editor-in-chief Jean Jennings. "The crazy speed builds silently and then pulls back the edges of your face. It had all of us endangering our licenses."


Our Model S was of Signature Performance spec, which means its AC induction motor puts out 416 hp and that it blasts to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds. Even those numbers—positively absurd for a large sedan that uses not a lick of gasoline—fail to communicate how crazy it actually feels. "It's alarming to jam the accelerator of such a big car and have it surge forward so quickly and so quietly," says copy editor Rusty Blackwell.



Like most electric cars, the Model S generates its torque almost instantly. Unlike most electric cars, Tesla's torque amounts to a prodigious 443 lb-ft, all of which goes to the rear wheels. The only indicators of your stunning momentum are the rush of scenery around you, a faint whine, and the digital speedometer's difficulty keeping pace.

"Driving the Model S is decidedly not like piloting a Nissan LEAF or an electric Smart," notes road test editor Christopher Nelson. Contributor Ezra Dyer, meanwhile, was so impressed that he arranged an informal drag race to 100 mph with a 560-hp BMW M5. The Model S won. "It bears repeating: this thing is silly quick," he concluded."”
http://www.plugincars.com/tesla-model-s-starts-racking-its-vehicle-year-awards-125117.html


Automobile Magazine on why Tesla Model S is automobile of the year Elon Musk's Tesla Model S has incredible speed, an airy, modern interior, a smooth electronic dashboard experience, and impressive control of the road. Oh, and it's electric. With charging stations being installed everywhere, this is an electric car with freedom. "What we can say with this award is that Tesla deserves to succeed. It has managed to blend the innovation of a Silicon Valley start-up, the execution of a world-class automaker, and, yes, the chutzpah of its visionary leader."http://www.automobilemag.com/features/awards/1301_2013_automobile_of_the_year_tesla_model_s/



Ireland is facing a roadblock just like the one in a few of the country's European Union allies: sales of electric vehicles (EVs) are much lower than initially projected. While the goal had been to sell 2,000 units in Ireland by the end of 2011, only 192 have been sold so far. When the campaign was launched in Ireland, the target was to sell enough EVs to make up 10 percent of all new vehicles by the end of 2020. That would be about 7,000 cars a year at the current new vehicle sales rate.http://green.autoblog.com/2012/11/02/ireland-faces-its-own-frustrations-over-slow-electric-vehicle-sa/

Count Bobulescu
13-11-2012, 12:13 AM
Tesla Model S picks up another prestigious car of the year award.

The 2013 Motor Trend Car of the Year is one of the quickest American four-doors ever built. It drives like a sports car, eager and agile and instantly responsive. But it's also as smoothly effortless as a Rolls-Royce, can carry almost as much stuff as a Chevy Equinox, and is more efficient than a Toyota Prius. Oh, and it'll sashay up to the valet at a luxury hotel like a supermodel working a Paris catwalk. By any measure, the Tesla Model S is a truly remarkable automobile, perhaps the most accomplished all-new luxury car since the original Lexus LS 400. That's why it's our 2013 Car of the Year.

Wait. No mention of the astonishing inflection point the Model S represents -- that this is the first COTY winner in the 64-year history of the award not powered by an internal combustion engine? Sure, the Tesla's electric powertrain delivers the driving characteristics and packaging solutions that make the Model S stand out against many of its internal combustion engine peers. But it's only a part of the story. At its core, the Tesla Model S is simply a damned good car you happen to plug in to refuel.Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_ s/viewall.html#ixzz2C3Z3tOnP

New Vision
14-11-2012, 11:44 PM
Isn't that the third “Car of the Year” award for the Model S? The other two being with Yahoo! and Automobile Magazine.

=> Car of the Year: It’s Tesla’s Electric (http://climatecrocks.com/2012/11/14/car-of-the-year-its-teslas-electric/)

Count Bobulescu
15-11-2012, 05:14 AM
Isn't that the third “Car of the Year” award for the Model S? The other two being with Yahoo! and Automobile Magazine.

=> Car of the Year: It’s Tesla’s Electric (http://climatecrocks.com/2012/11/14/car-of-the-year-its-teslas-electric/)
Yes, but the Motor Trend one is considered the most prestigious. They were the ones who introduced the COTY award. The other major award is the North American COTY chosen by a panel of newspaper journalists. They didn’t even include the Tesla in their final eleven. The scumbags.

Count Bobulescu
15-11-2012, 08:17 PM
More good news. This car is "on fire".


3:18AM EST November 15. 2012 - First came Motor Trend, and its Car of the Year Award, earlier this week. Now, early, unofficial raves from Consumer Reports magazine.
On the same week that the Tesla became the surprising choice of Motor Trend's coveted COTY, the nation's top consumer magazine weighs in with kind words of its own for the all-electric luxury sedan from Tesla Motors.

Basically, CR validated everything that Motor Trend found -- and frankly, that we, USA TODAY's Drive On, told you last summer.

A CR endorsement is huge, given the magazine's non-profit status and enormous reputation for independence.http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2012/11/15/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports-motor-trend/1706165/



Having visited Tesla, met several of its employees, and now driven the Model S, you get a very strong impression: These guys are serious about demolishing every obstacle that stands in the way of the electric car.

Range anxiety? Gone. A large (optional) 85-kWh battery realistically yields 200 plus miles with no pampering.

Slow charging times? Gone. A 10-kWh onboard charger or optional twin chargers (20 kWh), shorten charging times dramatically. A Tesla dedicated high-power charging station can funnel power quickly. Tesla is in the midst of setting up "supercharger" stations at rest areas along some interstate corridors to charge compatible versions of the car to 80-percent capacity in 30 minutes.

Slow acceleration? Gone. We clocked a zero to 60 mph sprint in 4.6 seconds.

Tight accommodations? Gone. The interior feels as roomy as a large luxury sedan, such as a Mercedes-Benz S-Class, with a flat floor and plenty of cargo roomhttp://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/11/video-tesla-model-s-drive---the-electric-car-that-shatters-every-myth.html

Count Bobulescu
11-05-2013, 01:53 AM
More accolades for Tesla. This car is on fire. I want, I want, I want.

Tesla Surges After Posting Profit; Value Exceeds Fiat's (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-08/tesla-posts-first-quarterly-profit-on-model-s-deliveries.html)
















Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), the maker of electric cars run by billionaire Elon Musk, surged 24 percent after posting a first profit, beating estimates and earning a top evaluation for its Model S sedan from
Consumer Reports.

Consumer Reports: Tesla best car since 2007 - USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/05/09/consumer-reports-tesla-model-s-electric/2146175/)


















While Tesla has already received some top endorsements, including Motor Trend Car of the Year, the Consumer Reports raves are particularly important.


Oops!
Ferrari cuts production for 2013, vows to never build an electric car (http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/ferrari-cuts-production-2013-vows-never-build-electric-130344501.html)

























In these boom times for carmakers, it's hard to find one that isn't pushing the accelerator on its factories, from Kia to Bentley.

Binn Beal
11-05-2013, 09:10 AM
I'll get one when I can charge it from a home windmill. But the Green Party knocked that project on the head as it would have to be an ESB approved product with ESB installation and an annual 'maintenance' contract payable to the ESB.

New Vision
12-05-2013, 02:15 AM
There's always an excuse, Binn Beal.

Binn Beal
12-05-2013, 07:54 AM
But paying the ESB twice over for electricity I produce myself is a pretty good excuse as excuses go.

New Vision
13-05-2013, 12:37 AM
But paying the ESB twice over for electricity I produce myself is a pretty good excuse as excuses go.

You can always erect your private little wind turbine and stay disconnected from Electric Ireland. Your new electric car is a perfect storage unit. Under certain circumstances you don't even need planning permission. => http://www.windturbines.ie/domestic/fitting.htm => http://www.iwea.com/index.cfm/page/microgeneration

Binn Beal
13-05-2013, 08:52 AM
So can this car be charged with a 'private, little wind turbine'? I didn't thing this was possible. This would be a game-changer, as the latest jargon goes.

dammit_im_mad
13-05-2013, 09:45 AM
Are people considering the complete cycle when judging this tech?

Often these things are just more lucrative greenwash when you crunch the numbers.

What about all those nasty batteries and the materials they use? Where is it all mined? Disposal?

There is no substitute for proper public transportation infrastructure.

Shaadi
13-05-2013, 11:00 AM
As self drive technology improves to a point where driving is automated, this will allow the production of super light weight cars where literally the weight of the passengers and cargo will be almost as big a factor as vehicle weight in fuel costs. Whether those cars will be powered by electricity or hydrogen or whatever, they will be light weight because they won't be crashing and as such will need to be little more than moving covered chairs. This will eliminate the need for public transport in rural areas. What's the point in having a bus service when you can transport yourself more efficiently and cost effectively by self-drive technology. Think of a self drive super light weigh Nissan Micra type vehicle that'll do the equivalent of 150 mpg +.

The transport costs of living in the sticks will tumble! Not really, because the Govt will still find a way to pick the punters pockets.

dammit_im_mad
13-05-2013, 11:31 AM
they will be light weight because they won't be crashing and as such will need to be little more than moving covered chairs...... Think of a self drive super light weigh Nissan Micra type vehicle that'll do the equivalent of 150 mpg +

A computer that doesn't crash...hurtling you around at other computers that don't crash...at 150mph???
Are you a linux user or something?? ;-)

Gives new meaning to the "blue screen of death"!! ;-)

Shaadi
13-05-2013, 11:58 AM
A computer that doesn't crash...hurtling you around at other computers that don't crash...at 150mph???
Are you a linux user or something?? ;-)

Gives new meaning to the "blue screen of death"!! ;-)150 MPG +, 150 mph around corners would probably require adult diapers.:eek:

Binn Beal
13-05-2013, 12:48 PM
From the environment's point of view, there's no difference between burning fossil fuel to drive a car or burning fossil fuel to make electricity to drive a car. So until I can use my own energy, I think I'm stuck with Pat Rabbitte's pals in the oil industry.

Count Bobulescu
13-05-2013, 04:43 PM
I'll get one when I can charge it from a home windmill. But the Green Party knocked that project on the head as it would have to be an ESB approved product with ESB installation and an annual 'maintenance' contract payable to the ESB.

How do you get your electric today, from the ESB? Don’t try to make the perfect, the enemy of the good. That’s like trying to time the stock market. It’s a fool’s errand. If you wait until conditions are “perfect” you’ll likely be the last man to buy an electric car, because the world will have moved on to Hydrogen tech.

You can of course charge from your home windmill via any standard electrical socket/outlet.

dammit_im_mad
13-05-2013, 08:57 PM
150 MPG +, 150 mph around corners would probably require adult diapers.:eek:

Oops! sorry. for some reason I registered MPG as MPH. One letter makes all the difference. ( Just like "laughter" and "slaughter" eh joker! ;-)

I guess I was thinking light = fast.

However the thought of software bugs at 40mph when another computer controlled car is heading directly towards you at 40mph IMHO would still require those adult diapers!

Brown screen of death? ;-)

dammit_im_mad
13-05-2013, 09:37 PM
From the environment's point of view, there's no difference between burning fossil fuel to drive a car or burning fossil fuel to make electricity to drive a car. So until I can use my own energy, I think I'm stuck with Pat Rabbitte's pals in the oil industry.

Oil fired electricity is probably worse due to line losses etc incurred in getting the energy to you. Dirty fracking gas has many extra consequences to the environment, such as destroying the water aquifers, use of huge quantities of water, methane leakage (23-75 times Co2 in greenhouse terms depending on measurement interval), flaring. Normally drilled gas is better, but as you alluded, ours was given away for free to Pet Rabittes friends in Shell.

Bio diesel or bio gas are still interesting. Use your poo in a digester to produce gas, then burn that to produce electricity? Or just use it in an efficient internal combustion engine. There's certainly plenty of poo in the world. Hell, some people on this very forum could probably power a factory with their daily output ;-)

Progress is also being made working with fast growing algae for bio diesel.

However we still have an EROI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested) problem with all these kinds of fuels.

Perhaps the real future is using solar / wind powered electrolysis to produce hydrogen for clean burning engines, but your car may explode in a crash!

I wonder who it is that will be driving these cool hi tech cars when the rest of us are all serfs living in penury without food, homes or jobs?. No doubt the same [email protected] that put us there.

Shaadi
13-05-2013, 10:10 PM
Oops! sorry. for some reason I registered MPG as MPH. One letter makes all the difference. ( Just like "laughter" and "slaughter" eh joker! ;-)

I guess I was thinking light = fast.

However the thought of software bugs at 40mph when another computer controlled car is heading directly towards you at 40mph IMHO would still require those adult diapers!

Brown screen of death? ;-)They'll start as semi-autonomous cars running like cruise control features do now, but with more and more driver control being ceded as the technology improves under a gradual relentless push of regulations designed to drive the process.

People never thought they'd see themselves carrying mobile tracking devices, and now they do it voluntarily. Tweeting every brain fart they have for the world to see, while having the world at their fingertips on an cheap handset. The pace of change is relentless, and we'll just have to get used to it because it ain't going to let up...

Count Bobulescu
14-05-2013, 12:18 AM
How do you get your electric today, from the ESB? Don’t try to make the perfect, the enemy of the good. That’s like trying to time the stock market. It’s a fool’s errand. If you wait until conditions are “perfect” you’ll likely be the last man to buy an electric car, because the world will have moved on to Hydrogen tech.

You can of course charge from your home windmill via any standard electrical socket/outlet.

Speaking of Hydrogen fuel cells.

Navy Test Plane Flies 48 Hours (http://www.azorobotics.com/news.aspx?newsID=4115)


Bloom Energy Raises $130M More for Fuel Cell Future (http://theenergycollective.com/ericwesoff/223246/bloom-energy-raises-130m-more-fuel-cell-future)

Fuel cell "startup" Bloom Energy just raised $130 million more in venture capital, taking total funding to beyond $1.1 billion for this firm and makes it one of the all-time leaders in venture capitalization.[read more] (http://theenergycollective.com/ericwesoff/223246/bloom-energy-raises-130m-more-fuel-cell-future)

Count Bobulescu
14-05-2013, 12:42 AM
Tesla sales beating Mercedes, BMW and Audi (http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/13/autos/tesla-sales-bmw-mercedes-audi/)In fact, in the first quarter of this year, more people bought a Tesla Model S than bought any of the similarly priced gasoline-powered cars from the top three German luxury brands, according to data from LMC Automotive.

New Vision
14-05-2013, 12:39 PM
Tesla sales beating Mercedes, BMW and Audi (http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/13/autos/tesla-sales-bmw-mercedes-audi/)In fact, in the first quarter of this year, more people bought a Tesla Model S than bought any of the similarly priced gasoline-powered cars from the top three German luxury brands, according to data from LMC Automotive.

Good start. Next step is all the electricity coming from renewable sources...

New Vision
14-05-2013, 09:21 PM
After Trashing Tesla, Now Anti -Tech Right says it’s “Unfair Competition” (http://climatecrocks.com/2013/05/14/after-trashing-tesla-now-anti-tech-right-says-its-unfair-competition/)


North Carolina put itself on the anti-science map not long ago by passing a law forbidding consideration of sea level rise in that state.

Now, the legislature is looking at legislation to brand some of the world’s most compelling new auto technology, Tesla’s electric Model S sedan, as “unfair competition” to conventional auto dealers.

Count Bobulescu
14-07-2013, 02:59 AM
Some recent mostly good and a little bad news for Tesla and some other EV makers.

Tesla Jumps to Record After Analyst's Note: Mover (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/tesla-jumps-to-record-after-analyst-s-note-mover.html)

Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA) surged to a record intraday high after a Jefferies Group LLC analyst almost doubled her price target for the maker of electric cars and increased estimates of its 2013 deliveries.

Tesla speeds ahead with plans for $35K electric car (http://news.google.com/news/url?sr=1&ct2=us%2F3_0_s_0_1_a&sa=t&usg=AFQjCNH-IBJU5OTfI5fL5flneORzEGqrWg&cid=52778189896242&url=http%3A%2F%2Fseattletimes.com%2Fhtml%2Fbusines stechnology%2F2021291218_teslanextlevelxml.html&ei=YTHOUbi9HYSMgQfocg&sig2=J3k--tdBGrBG7oaa9B0lJQ&rt=HOMEPAGE&vm=STANDARD&bvm=section&did=-1802394259246667225&sid=8e0768eccaa80099)

Then there's this: Tesla, which is on track to build 21,000 cars at its Fremont, Calif., factory this year, is worth more than Fiat and nearly a quarter as much as General Motors - which has 21,000 dealers.

Fiat 500e electric car 'sold out' in California (http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2013/0627/Fiat-500e-electric-car-sold-out-in-California)

Fiat has never hidden the fact that its 500e electric car had been developed primarily for compliance reasons, thus there was little surprise when it was announced that sales would be limited to the state of California, at least, initially.


IS THE END OF EV RANGE ANXIETY IN SIGHT? (http://nc.rmi.org/page.redir?target=http%3a%2f%2fblog.rmi.org%2fblog _2013_06_20_is_the_end_of_ev_range_anxiety_in_sigh t&srcid=25950&srctid=1&erid=11527306&trid=ee8e0835-8c06-484d-95f6-69bd46e6fccf)

9 Burning Questions for Tesla's Elon Musk (http://www.money.cnn.com/2013/06/12/autos/tesla-elon-musk.fortune/index.html?iid=HP_River) - Alex Taylor III, Fortune

WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF ELECTRIC CARS? That's the question on this week's Energy & Environment Expert Blog (http://nationaljournal.us1.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=acc30b544fa4aa185af803703&id=f0d7f528f4&e=c7a7983233). Nine years ahead of schedule, Tesla paid off (http://nationaljournal.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=acc30b544fa4aa185af803703&id=f1cce0e537&e=c7a7983233) its $465 million loan awarded by the Energy Department in 2010. Supporters of clean energy are touting its achievements as evidence the government's loan-guarantee program can help nascent innovative technologies succeed. But other companies in the electric-car industry that received federal dollars have not fared as well. They are Fisker Automotive and the company formerly called A123Systems (now B456 Systems), which have both received government support and have since gone bankrupt. Do Tesla's achievements signal a turning point in the electric-car industry, which accounts for 3.8 percent of all cars (http://nationaljournal.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=acc30b544fa4aa185af803703&id=854c9336c1&e=c7a7983233) sold so far this year? Read more (http://nationaljournal.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=acc30b544fa4aa185af803703&id=29661b6d70&e=c7a7983233)




Musk Says Tesla Gross Margin Will Approach Porsche's 'Over Time' (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-05/musk-says-tesla-s-gross-margin-can-approach-porsche-over-time-.html)
Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), which has almost tripled in market value this year, can make its electric cars efficiently enough to achieve a gross profit margin approaching Porsche AG's, Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said.


Tesla's challenge to dealerships sputters in Texas (http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/04/autos/tesla-texas/)


Elon Musk has been riding high lately, but he's suffered a setback in the Lone Star State. Texas' state legislature failed to vote on a bill backed by Musk's Tesla Motors (TSLA) that would have loosened the state's restriction on dealerships owned by

New Vision
15-07-2013, 02:00 AM
Rome wasn't built in one day.

Count Bobulescu
09-08-2013, 11:41 PM
There's a price war going on in the US electric car market with the Chevy Volt now down to $27K.

But the real news is with Tesla, its still on a tear, but also seems to me to be way into a bubble. However, I said the same when Google offered its shares at $100.

Tesla's current market valuation of $18B is now greater than Fiat and Peugot combined.

GM, Daimler amp up US electric car price war (http://www.themalaymailonline.com/drive/article/gm-daimler-amp-up-us-electric-car-price-war)Elon Musk's Fortune Soars $570 Million as Tesla Beats Estimates (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-08/elon-musk-s-fortune-soars-570-million-as-tesla-beats-estimates.html)Tesla Rides Roughshod Over Naysayers (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323838204579000963572047926.html)T esla Electrifies Wall Street. Next Stop: China (http://business.time.com/2013/08/08/tesla-shares-zoom-14-on-strong-sales-as-chinese-market-beckons/?iid=biz-main-lead) -

A Manufacturing Lesson From Tesla Motors (http://www.forbes.com/sites/uciliawang/2013/08/08/a-manufacturing-lesson-from-tesla-motors/) What Elon Musk Thinks of BMW's Electric Car (http://www.bloomberg.com/video/burning-rubber-with-the-electric-car-Qwsu__f6ROKrMZBLjboj7A.html)

Count Bobulescu
11-02-2014, 04:36 AM
Tesla surges in Consumer Reports' best-liked car ranking (http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/05/autos/tesla-consumer-reports/)

If you see Tesla Motors' CEO Elon Musk smiling Wednesday, he might be thinking, "You like me, you really like me!" That's because Tesla (TSLA) has made a big leap in Consumer Reports' latest brand perception survey. The electric carmaker is now the ...

Tesla Displaces Mercedes-Benz in Consumer Brand Survey (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/09/tesla-displaces-mercedes-benz-in-consumer-brand-su.aspx)


Tesla Breaks Into Top 5 Brands in Consumer Reports Survey (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-05/tesla-breaks-into-top-5-brands-in-consumer-reports-survey.html)

Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), the youngest U.S. automaker, ranks in the top five brands among people surveyed by Consumer Reports, another accolade from the magazine that rates Tesla's Model S among the best cars it's ever tested. Tesla was fifth in the ...

In Depth:Tesla Motors Inc, the youngest U.S. automaker, ranks in top 5 car brands in ... (http://business.financialpost.com/2014/02/05/tesla-motors-inc-the-youngest-u-s-automaker-ranks-in-top-5-car-brands-in-consumer-reports-survey/)Financial Post

Related Toyota Motor Corporation » (https://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Toyota+Motor+Corporation&ict=clu_bl) Tesla Motors » (https://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Tesla+Motors&ict=clu_bl)

IT'S ELECTRIC: Early Sunday morning, two Tesla Model S sedans wrapped up their epic trip from Los Angeles to New York City in under 77 hours with the help of the company's Supercharger network of chargers around the country. The Tesla teams clocked "lowest charge time for an electric vehicle traveling across the country," which is under consideration as a Guinness World Record, the automaker says. The stats: 3,464.5 miles and 1,197.8 kWh. Tesla blog: http://bit.ly/1k1XVz4 (http://go.politicoemail.com/?qs=32a51d9fdbd57c6499d9cbf1a2b1983326b1e8b9ab9438 47e26bcca770ca2f35)

Count Bobulescu
17-02-2014, 09:20 PM
Musk says cheaper Tesla model 'about three years away

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/14/autos/musk-tesla-cheaper/index.html?iid=Lead

Tesla’s Model S Out-Accelerates Porsche’s New Plug-in Hybrid

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/520281/teslas-model-s-out-accelerates-porsches-new-plug-in-hybrid/

How Tesla Batteries Are Powering an Energy Revolution


Those Tesla Motors lithium-ion battery packs aren’t just powering electric luxury sports sedans for the 1% any more.
They’ve started appearing in a small number of California homes to store electricity generated by rooftop solar panels (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/11/why-you-might-buy-electricity-from-elon-musk-some-day/281824/), and beginning today SolarCity, the Silicon Valley solar installer, will start providing Tesla batteries for businesses that want to cut their utility bills. A big box retailer like Walmart could charge up a Tesla battery pack with cheap energy produced by its SolarCity rooftop photovoltaic array and then tap that power when demand — and electricity rates — spike.
That would let them minimize paying their local utility high “demand charges” for electricity when they need it most. And the cost of the SolarCity’s system, called DemandLogic, effectively zero, according to SolarCity, since the monthly payments for energy storage would be less than the money saved by not forking over cash to the utility.
And if that sounds like a threat to century-old monopoly utilities, it is.


“Our business model is to become the energy company of the 21st century,” SolarCity chief executive Lyndon Rive told The Atlantic. “You’re still connected to the grid but the grid would be your secondary provider and the primarily provider would be your solar system and your storage device.

http://mashable.com/2013/12/26/energy-revolution/


Elon Musk Talks Tesla Model X Details, Model S Upgrades, At Europe Q+A ... (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1090225_elon-musk-talks-tesla-model-x-details-model-s-upgrades-at-europe-qa-sessions)


But in a Q & A session in Norway on February 1, Tesla CEO Elon Musk and the company's CTO JB Straubel revealed several intriguing tidbits about the Model S, the upcoming Model X electric SUV, and the company's planned mass-market Model E sedan.


This chart says Tesla is cheap (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/talking-numbers/this-chart-says-tesla-is-cheap-200845407.html)


So far this year, Tesla is up 34%. In 2013, shares in the electric car company were up 344%. With a market cap of $24 billion, Tesla is now valued at roughly half of General Motors. Of course, that doesn't mean the two have nearly the same sales. In ...
Highly Cited:Tesla Reaches High as Investors Anticipate Foreign Sales (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-10/tesla-reaches-record-as-investors-anticipate-foreign-sale.html)Bloomberg

Count Bobulescu
22-02-2014, 05:48 PM
Lots of good Tesla news this week. The other EV makers, and there are several, are just not getting any attention. Must be killing them.


TESLA POSTS PROFITS, TEASES 'GIGAFACTORY': Electric vehicle manufacturer Tesla Motors made nearly $46 million in the fourth quarter of 2013, nearly triple its profit from the third quarter, the company announced Wednesday. (On a GAAP basis, Tesla had a $16 million loss, down from $38 million in the third quarter.) Tesla said it delivered a record 6,892 vehicles in 2013, and projects to deliver over 35,000 Model S vehicles this year. But the news that had investors talking yesterday: Tesla is teasing plans for a 'Gigafactory,' a plan to partner with suppliers on a single facility 'to integrate precursor material, cell, module and pack production.' Shareholder letter: http://bit.ly/1eTdgtV (http://go.politicoemail.com/?qs=106b489c8dde01d276351fd3a9d82459116f080f956b9b 664dedc9d94b30625b)

Tesla stock gets another jolt (http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/MEPMRJ/ORF6Y4/1CWJD3/BMWI3JQ/PF60NL/ID/h)

The stock market value of Tesla Motors broke through the $25 billion mark on Tuesday, rising more than 3 percent to $204.90 a share just after noon. The company reports 2013 earnings on Wednesday, but analysts are already issuing upbeat reports. Baird Equity Research analyst Ben Kallo raised his price target from $187 to $215 […]

Tesla stock may also be getting a boost because of a San Francisco Chronicle report citing an anonymous source saying that Apple was kicking the tires of Tesla and that Apple's top mergers and acquisitions executive met with Tesla chief executive Elon ...

Tesla’s supply and demand. The electric car company has already pre-announced stellar fourth-quarter sales, so investors will be looking for details about a new battery factory and second production line to ensure Tesla can keep up with surging orders (http://us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=920af93633&e=ffdd87b22c).

There has been increasing chatter that Apple might be interested in buying Tesla, and just as much that it won't happen because Musk takes big risks and wouldn't want to play 2nd banana to someone at Apple.

What If Apple Bought Tesla? (http://thenextweb.com/apple/2014/02/17/apple-bought-tesla/#%21wngWN) - Josh Ong,



Stock Hits $217 on Sales Report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/teslas-shares-soar-on-results-outlook/2014/02/19/1d8a7eb0-99c8-11e3-b1de-e666d78c3937_story.html)
Shares Jump 12% on Earnings (http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-tesla-earnings-20140220,0,4301357.story#axzz2tqfQJYcd)
Huge Battery Factory Planned (http://www.technologyreview.com/view/524951/tesla-bets-gigafactory-will-enable-affordable-electric-cars/)
Apple Meeting Stirs Speculation (http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2014/02/19/elon-musk-tesla-will-be-first-with-autonomous-driving-admits-to-apple-meeting/)
Tesla and Apple: A Pair? (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-19/test-driving-an-itesla-what-apple-and-elon-musk-can-do-for-each-other)
Doubting Musk Gets Expensive (http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57619120-76/second-guessing-elon-musk-is-turning-into-an-expensive-lesson/)

Tesla's most disruptive product may not be its cars (http://qz.com/179318/teslas-most-disruptive-product-may-not-be-its-cars/)

But the true impact of its technology may reach far beyond America's roads. The way forward, Tesla is betting, is in producing its own batteries.

Can Tesla Outsell Porsche In China? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=4&ved=0CDAQqQIoADAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fjackperk owski%2F2014%2F02%2F12%2Fcan-tesla-outsell-porsche-in-china%2F&ei=zt4IU7XGBaSU0QH6uYCIBQ&usg=AFQjCNH__VGO19v5mCokj3N8cEJNPYOZ1g&sig2=WjlwdVkyrsq077s6sN5cmA&bvm=bv.61725948,d.dmQ)


In late January, Tesla announced (http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-01/26/content_17259233.htm) that a version of its Model S, which sells for $81,070 in the United States, would retail for 734,000 yuan ($121,300) in China after shipping costs and import duty and other taxes. At the same time,Veronica Wu, Vice President of China operations, said that Tesla planned to open stores in 10 to 12 Chinese cities by the end of this year, including its flagship store in Beijing, and that China would account for one-third of Tesla’s growth in 2014. Finally, CEO Elon Musk said (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-23/tesla-to-sell-model-s-sedan-in-china-from-121-000.html) that China Model S sales could match those of the U.S. as early as next year, and that the company would eventually build cars in the country. With respect to its 734,000 yuan sticker price, Musk made a big point of saying that Tesla held down the price of the Model S to avoid “ripping off” customers in China. Contrary to some other luxury car makers that price their cars higher in China than in their home countries, Tesla emphasized that there is no market-specific markup on the Model S for China. Chinese consumers and regulators will undoubtedly applaud this pricing strategy.http://www.forbes.com/sites/jackperkowski/2014/02/12/can-tesla-outsell-porsche-in-china/

Jolly Red Giant
22-02-2014, 06:40 PM
Lots of good Tesla news this week. The other EV makers, and there are several, are just not getting any attention. Must be killing them.

Count - are you on Telsa's payroll or something? electric cars are a major advance on the internal combustion engine but they will not become viable in a major sense until the lack of battery power is resolved. Once an electric car can complete 250 miles on a single charge (and the car is reasonably priced) then they will begin replacing petrol cars in big numbers.

Count Bobulescu
22-02-2014, 07:38 PM
Count - are you on Telsa's payroll or something? electric cars are a major advance on the internal combustion engine but they will not become viable in a major sense until the lack of battery power is resolved. Once an electric car can complete 250 miles on a single charge (and the car is reasonably priced) then they will begin replacing petrol cars in big numbers.

1: I wish.

2: That's already happening. Read a little up thread.

I read that there were only 42/43 electric cars registered in Ireland in 2013.

Whereas there are almost 21,000 in Norway, an oil rich country. France has 28,000.


Norway has the largest EV market penetration in the world, with plug-in electric vehicle registrations representing a 2.275% share of total vehicle registrations in the country during 2011 and 2012,[218] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country#cite_note-EU20-218) and the share climbs to 3.1% when only 2012 plug-in electric-drive passenger car sales are accounted for.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country#cite_note-NorwaySales2012-8) Norway ranked 5th among the top selling EV countries, with a 7% market share (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share) of global all-electric car sales in 2012.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country#cite_note-Outook2013-3)

.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country

The number of EV's worldwide, more than doubled, 2013 over 2012. It's a hot trend, and Ireland is missing the boat. When you factor in the higher petrol taxes you'd think Europeans would be clamoring for them. Even in the worst case scenario, comparison with an existing small economical vehicle, there are many thousands to be saved in efficiencies over the life of the vehicle. Move on to larger cars and they are a no-brainer. Governments are going to have figure out how to replace lost petrol tax revenue. Don't tell Enda.

Count Bobulescu
03-03-2014, 04:35 AM
I guess if the Economist is writing about you, you've arrived. Or something.

Tesla gains new admirers as it heads towards the mass market (http://www.economist.com/news/business/21597893-tesla-gains-new-admirers-it-heads-towards-mass-market-fully-charged)

IF COMFORTABLY outpacing your rivals is the main measure of automotive achievement, Tesla's electric car is a resounding success.

Tesla to Texas: How Do You Like Us Now? (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101450596) - Philip LeBeau , CNBC

Tesla Just Took Its 1st Step Toward Destroying Power Companies (http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-gigafactory-and-renewables-2014-2) - BI


You Could Soon Be Buying Your Electricity from Elon Musk (http://qz.com/180978/why-you-could-soon-be-buying-your-electricity-from-elon-musk/) - Quartz.




Tesla’s stock is up 644%. Why it may not last. (http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/7CWL7Z/2O09BC/004SKN/M9RGPRH/ZG5L4N/B7/h)


So it’s a great car. Is it a great stock? Shares of Tesla Motors shot up 17 percent Tuesday morning, putting the value of the company at more than $31 billion – and that was before Consumer Reports announced that Tesla’s Model S was the best overall car of the year. Tesla rose after Morgan […]



Tesla Plans $5 Billion Battery Factory for Mass-Market Electric Car (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/automobiles/tesla-plans-5-billion-battery-factory-for-mass-market-electric-car.html)

Tesla Motors said on Wednesday that it planned to invest about $2 billion in a large-scale factory to produce cheaper batteries for a mass-market electric car within three years. The company, which makes all-electric luxury sedans, indicated that it

Why Tesla Motors Is the Amazon of Autos (http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/02/26/why-tesla-motors-inc-is-the-amazon-of-autos/)

As Tesla's ballooning valuation attests, the company's shareholders are willing to sacrifice near-term profits for future profitability -- much like stakeholders of Amazon's stock.

Tesla Takes It to the Next Level (http://www.fuelfreedom.org/blog/tesla-takes-it-to-the-next-level/) - William Tucker, Fuel Freedom



Tesla Motors (http://www.realclearenergy.org/www.realclearenergy.org/3)

Musk Plans $5B Battery Factory (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304709904579407473494212500?mg=ren o64-wsj)
Sees Future Outside Automobile (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Tesla-sees-electric-future-outside-the-automobile-5275148.php)
Where Will They Build? (http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=32506)
Four State in Bidding War (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-27/musk-s-5-billion-tesla-gigafactory-may-unleash-bidding-war-2)
Gigafactor - Myth or Reality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarwantsingh/2014/02/27/elon-musks-500000-unit-battery-plant-myth-or-reality/)
One Analyst: Stock Is Worth $65 (http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/27/investing/tesla-stock/)

New Vision
04-03-2014, 09:51 PM
First Electric School Bus Hits The Road In California (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/04/3359551/electric-school-bus/)

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/School-Bus-Kids-2-638x425.jpg

Count Bobulescu
04-03-2014, 10:14 PM
First Electric School Bus Hits The Road In California (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/04/3359551/electric-school-bus/)

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/School-Bus-Kids-2-638x425.jpg

Cool, have been seeing lots of the equivalent of Tayto retail delivery trucks on the road in about the last two years. Not the big trucks yet.

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/09/08/image.axd%3Fpicture%3D2010%252f8%252fElectric_Truc k_SideView.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=V1DIr96IVg4WeM&tbnid=6_Ih3xict-NkUM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.cnet.com%2F8301-11128_3-20015833-54.html&ei=2k8WU_KDDpLI0gGFwoCACQ&bvm=bv.62286460,d.dmQ&psig=AFQjCNHi0GvpV5KYgfEwOKIjqxlCefudFA&ust=1394057544578848)

Count Bobulescu
04-03-2014, 10:24 PM
Not mainstream yet.
http://www.transpowerusa.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/P1000419.jpg (http://www.transpowerusa.com/)

Count Bobulescu
10-03-2014, 10:24 PM
Walmart's Concept Hybrid Truck Would Make A More Efficient Fleet (https://nc.rmi.org/page.redir?target=http%3a%2f%2fwww.triplepundit.co m%2f2014%2f03%2fwalmarts-concept-hybrid-truck%2f&srcid=26789&srctid=1&erid=14522101&trid=edcacf73-6155-4415-94fd-9ff7fa84a193)

Electric-car maker Tesla expands European outlets (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/05/us-autos-tesla-europe-idUSBREA2419W20140305)

will open more than 30 sales outlets and service centers this year in Europe and will expand its network of battery-charging stations there, the U.S.

Tesla could be the next GE. If the company’s new battery factory works out, it could power pretty much everything you own (http://us5.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=003cf3b55a&e=ffdd87b22c).

Elon Musk & the Electric Car Metanarrative (http://www.newfuelist.com/blog/elon-musk-techno-optimist) - Editors, The New Fuelist

Plug-In Electric Car Sales For Feb: Leaf Up, Volt Down (Tesla Unknown As ... (http://news.google.com/news/url?sr=1&ct2=us%2F10_0_s_0_1_a&sa=t&usg=AFQjCNH2nepL8v-pNRpr_WnqapheIAy9wQ&cid=43982339080900&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greencarreports.com%2Fnews%2F 1090645_plug-in-electric-car-sales-for-feb-leaf-record&ei=mkkWU_CYMdHSgAfAvAE&sig2=4Xtyw0_0RWYRAxHElnSAVA&rt=HOMEPAGE&vm=STANDARD&bvm=section&did=8318663661067842474&sid=-4516602121734236938)


http://www.nacsonline.com/news/daily/pages/nd0210142.aspx#.Ux4u0V5Foxc

Tesla Makes History With Cross Country Trek


http://www.nacsonline.com/News%20Icons/PetroRetailing.pngThe Cross Country Rally team drove from Los Angeles to New York City in 76.5 hours, recording the lowest charge time for an electric vehicle traveling across the country.

February 10, 2014
​ On February 2, the Tesla Cross Country Rally team made history by completing a trip across the United States, while achieving Guinness Book of World Records status for the fastest electric vehicle trip traveling from Los Angeles to New York City.
Here’s a few facts from the road, according to Tesla (http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/cross-country-rally-numbers):


Total trip time: 76.5 hours
Total drive time: almost 60 hours
Total charging time: 15 hours, 57 seconds
Total miles driven: 3,427
Longest distance between Supercharger locations: 247 miles from Flagstaff, Ariz., to Blanding, Utah
Longest drive time between Superchargers: 4 hours, 56 minutes, 29 seconds to travel 162.5 miles from Silverthorne, CO to Cheyenne, WY (Drivers encountered a blizzard, the closure and re-opening of I-70, closure of I-25, and re-routing to CO-14 and US85.)
Lowest temperature encountered: -4F

A Tesla Motors team departed Los Angeles for New York City in two Model S sedans at midnight on January 30 with a goal to complete the journey in about three days and set a new Guinness Book of World Records achievement for lowest charge time for an electric vehicle traveling across the United States.
The Supercharger network (http://www.nacsonline.com/News/Daily/Pages/ND0624132.aspx)now spans more than 3,400 miles, with more than 70 sites around the country for Model S owners to charge at for free. A Supercharger takes as little as 20 minutes to replenish half a charge.

yi25
10-03-2014, 11:39 PM
don't drive a car (dangerous bloody yokes) but this fascinates me and as a lifelong biker....maybe it is the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwHCnIJ0-Zw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwHCnIJ0-Zw

Wonko
11-03-2014, 02:07 PM
I always wondered why we did not allow electric car research on our roads. I think electric recumbents could be a commuter alternative. Small and cheap to buy - every house should have one and they should be allowed use the bus lane. Enclose in a kevlar shell and they would be safe and dry too.

http://www.gizmag.com/odyssey-electric-trike/31158/

or how about a Toyota iRoad

http://www.gizmag.com/toyota-i-road-coms-ev-trial-last-mile-car-sharing-japan-france/31120/

Gordon Murray istream design could give us strong and very cheap design of single occupant vehicles.

New Vision
12-03-2014, 05:15 PM
Solar City and Tesla: Old Energy’s Worst Nightmare (http://climatecrocks.com/2014/03/12/solar-city-and-tesla-old-energys-worst-nightmare/)

Saoirse go Deo
12-03-2014, 05:20 PM
don't drive a car (dangerous bloody yokes) but this fascinates me and as a lifelong biker....maybe it is the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwHCnIJ0-Zw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwHCnIJ0-Zw

Need to make them louder!

New Vision
12-03-2014, 09:30 PM
New Jersey Banned Tesla To Help Out Car Dealers (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/12/3395091/new-jersey-banned-tesla/)

New Vision
21-04-2014, 07:54 PM
Bloomberg: Tesla to Use North American Material Amid Pollution Worry (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-28/tesla-to-use-north-american-material-amid-pollution-worry.html)


Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), the electric vehicle maker co-founded by Elon Musk, plans to use only raw materials sourced in North America for its proposed $5 billion U.S. battery factory.

The Silicon Valley company won’t look overseas for the graphite, cobalt and other materials needed for its so-called Gigafactory, said Liz Jarvis-Shean, a spokeswoman.

“It will enable us to establish a supply chain that is local and focused on minimizing environmental impact while significantly reducing battery cost,” she said in an e-mail.

Count Bobulescu
23-04-2014, 04:58 AM
Wall St. is starting to get a little antsy about Tesla's delay in naming a partner for the battery factory. Tesla has committed to investing $2B in the factory. They need a partner with the muscle of an Apple or a Samsung to invest another $2B, and the final $1B gets financed. If it goes beyond June 30, without the announcement of a partner, the pressure on Musk will increase. But he's resourceful and has overcome setbacks before.

His other companies SpaceX and Solar City are booming. SpaceX just made a successful delivery to the International Space Station over the Easter weekend at 1/10th the cost it would have taken NASA to do it.

International Space Station takes special Easter cargo from SpaceX ... (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/apr/20/international-space-station-easter-cargo-spacex)
The Guardian-Apr 20, 2014

New Vision
04-07-2014, 01:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P54sjBdYhwQ

Hapax
22-07-2014, 10:19 PM
New from Tesla:


Tesla's next electric car officially has a name: The Model 3. It seems like an all-around average sedan, no crazy up-swinging falcon doors or other outlandishness. Even the $35,000 price is pedestrian. It's also what could make it as important to automotive history as the Model T.

http://gizmodo.com/why-teslas-model-3-could-be-the-most-important-electric-1605923541

TotalMayhem
22-07-2014, 10:32 PM
UK government to buy 150 Tesla S for its mucky-mucks.

More here (http://www.dailytech.com/UK+Government+Considering+Tesla+Model+S+Purchases/article36249.htm).

New Vision
29-07-2014, 03:09 PM
Welcome to the 21st century.

This Solar Car Just Set A New World Land Speed Record (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/24/3463899/solar-car-speed-record/)

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/eve-638x425.jpg

musashi
29-07-2014, 07:15 PM
Welcome to the 21st century.

This Solar Car Just Set A New World Land Speed Record (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/24/3463899/solar-car-speed-record/)

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/eve-638x425.jpg

Ooh I want one.
Part of the problem with these cars is the battery is crazy big. The range is also limited. It would be cool if we could mayhaps create a network of electrified motorways spanning Ireland; that way a car would only have to use its battery navigating from the motorway to home.
Would be great if I could drive an electric car in my lifetime.

musashi
29-07-2014, 07:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P54sjBdYhwQ

Not much of a traditionalist myself.
This is way cooler...

810


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1im1to-alnw

New Vision
30-07-2014, 08:09 PM
Not much of a traditionalist myself.
This is way cooler...

810


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1im1to-alnw

zzz the young fellas :)

New Vision
30-07-2014, 08:15 PM
Ooh I want one.
Part of the problem with these cars is the battery is crazy big. The range is also limited. It would be cool if we could mayhaps create a network of electrified motorways spanning Ireland; that way a car would only have to use its battery navigating from the motorway to home.
Would be great if I could drive an electric car in my lifetime.

It's still a matter of price. If you need a car being able to do more than say 120 miles a day from time to time you can buy the Opel Ampera. It's a full electric car with a high efficiency petrol generator that kicks in when the battery is empty. There are many ways to Rome.

New Vision
30-07-2014, 08:22 PM
Exhausting vehicle needs no fuel at all - not even wheels (http://www.clipartclipart.com/_images_300/A_boy_on_a_raft_blowing_on_the_sail_100923-152504-761060.jpg)

musashi
30-07-2014, 10:57 PM
Exhausting vehicle needs no fuel at all - not even wheels (http://www.clipartclipart.com/_images_300/A_boy_on_a_raft_blowing_on_the_sail_100923-152504-761060.jpg)

lol :)

DCon
27-10-2015, 10:52 PM
Toyota are going hydrogen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSW8XTtVAAAfgwq.png

Count Bobulescu
06-02-2016, 06:07 PM
Tesla share price is currently taking a beating, but.........

US Electric Car Sales Up 15% In January, Tesla = 38% of Market (http://zacharyshahan.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0dff8b51395573788146cd3b7&id=c03d42cc01&e=2aa63571fd)
Based on the latest electric car sales numbers from auto manufacturers, as well as estimates for Tesla and Fiat electric car sales, plug-in electric car sales in the US seem to have increased 15% in January 2016 compared to January 2015. However, most manufacturers have nothing to cheer about. Sales were down for the following models:

Count Bobulescu
02-04-2016, 06:27 PM
200,000 $1,000 deposits in less than 24 hours. Wonder what the 30 day, and 6 month numbers will look like.


In 1952, Wernher von Braun, the Nazi inventor of the V-2 rocket, wrote a famous article that, with astonishing prescience, foresaw the reach for space. He called the creation of a space station “as inevitable as the rising of the sun.” Von Braun went on to oversee the invention of the American Saturn V rocket, which took the US to the Moon.
In a way, von Braun was a loose forerunner of our own age’s new hybrid entrepreneur: grand showmen—really technological propagandists—who lay out a fantastical future, then go on to make it happen. These are no mere Silicon Valley cellphone designer-engineers. Rather, like von Braun, they are thinkers with a larger purpose and often an interest in rocketry, like Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, and of course, Elon Musk. The Tesla and SpaceX founder’s “reality-distortion field” eclipses even that of Steve Jobs, whose company, Apple, celebrated its 40th anniversary this week.
Musk polarizes opinion—is he a grounded entrepreneur? A conman? Perhaps an unhinged nut? But much of the sniping has fallen away as he has produced much-admired electric cars.
Still, the jury remained out (http://www.us5.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=7f064b08d8&e=ffdd87b22c) until this week’s unveiling of the Tesla Model 3, Musk’s make-or-break, $35,000 model. Musk said it would bring electrics to the masses; detractors said neither the technology nor the market was there yet.
But now the market has spoken. In less than 24 hours, about 200,000 (http://www.us5.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=c996aa839c&e=ffdd87b22c) motorists around the world plonked down $1,000 each to reserve a Model 3, sight unseen, at least 18 months and possibly three years before delivery. If completed, those orders will be worth over $8 billion (http://www.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=88994d3295&e=ffdd87b22c). True, those deposits are refundable (http://www.us5.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=0cd9fb7355&e=ffdd87b22c); but in effect, Musk has made every Tesla customer a venture capitalist, a triumph that is partly technological, but partly one of extraordinary marketing. Even Jobs might have been jealous.—Steve LeVine

random new yorker
02-04-2016, 06:33 PM
they are going for 35,000$ and for 27,000$ in some states w tax breaks

i might get one

Shaadi
02-04-2016, 10:57 PM
they are going for 35,000$ and for 27,000$ in some states w tax breaks

i might get oneIndeed they're nicely priced and have a decent distance range before having to be charged. I could travel from the centre of Ireland to Dublin and back without recharging and could travel across the country and back again with only a small bit of recharging at some stage of the trip.

random new yorker
03-04-2016, 12:31 AM
Indeed they're nicely priced and have a decent distance range before having to be charged. I could travel from the centre of Ireland to Dublin and back without recharging and could travel across the country and back again with only a small bit of recharging at some stage of the trip.

it will be a great car for home to work sort of use if the commute is short .. but not for long distance driving which is actually perfect for most american households - we usually keep a minimum of two cars in the garage :)

that's why i am thinking about it

(i take back my comment re less glitches ... looks like the more posts you add the more glitchy it gets)

New Vision
03-04-2016, 04:20 PM
Tesla, the maker of electric vehicles, Thursday night unveiled its mass-market Model 3. The car is expected to have a range of 215 miles at a base price of $35,000

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/04/01/ap_373690384465-a03ee405c92af7b164cbb73955e38c0ce875e90f-s1200-c85.jpg

=> A Tesla For The Masses? Orders For Model 3 Top 100K In First Hours (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/01/472640001/a-tesla-for-the-masses-the-model-3-is-unveiled-in-california)

Earlier on we could read that Norway will most probably abolish (http://www.renewablesinternational.net/will-norway-ban-gas-diesel-cars-by-2025/150/537/94287/) the sale of new fossil fuel driven cars by 2025.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-V0D9K75E

More => New Tesla for the Masses: Orders off the Hook (http://climatecrocks.com/2016/04/02/new-tesla-for-the-masses-orders-off-the-hook/)

The future has just begun.

DCon
03-04-2016, 05:19 PM
This Irish company claim to have invented a process, using nanotechnology, to generate electricity

http://www.photonomi.com/companys.html

http://m.independent.ie/business/irish/exesb-chief-joins-green-energy-firms-450m-masterplan-34593187.html

DCon
03-04-2016, 05:19 PM
This Irish company claim to have invented a process, using nanotechnology, to generate electricity

http://www.photonomi.com/companys.html

http://m.independent.ie/business/irish/exesb-chief-joins-green-energy-firms-450m-masterplan-34593187.html

random new yorker
03-04-2016, 05:49 PM
not sure about the looks of this car .. if only i had a teenage boy i would have the excuse to buy one

Count Bobulescu
03-04-2016, 06:02 PM
A teenage boy would likely prefer one of these, just saw an adv on TV.

http://mahindrausa.com/xtv/s-series/mpact-xtv-750-s

random new yorker
03-04-2016, 06:11 PM
A teenage boy would likely prefer one of these, just saw an adv on TV.

http://mahindrausa.com/xtv/s-series/mpact-xtv-750-s

:) yes !!!

so will the mothers .. max 35mph?

New Vision
04-04-2016, 11:50 AM
India’s Road Minister says the country will have 100 percent electric vehicles by 2030 to become the first “100 percent electric vehicle nation.” He may not have heard of Norway’s plans – or the Netherlands’.

Shortly after Norway began looking into requiring all new cars to be fully electric (http://www.renewablesinternational.net/will-norway-ban-gas-diesel-cars-by-2025/150/537/94287/) starting in 2025, the lower house of Dutch Parliament supported a motion last month to ban sales (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/03/only-electric-cars-to-be-sold-in-netherlands-from-2025/) of new petrol and diesel cars starting in 2025. Like the Norwegian plant, the Dutch proposal is not yet law – and it still faces some opposition domestically (report in Dutch (http://nos.nl/artikel/2095952-tweede-kamer-vanaf-2025-alleen-nog-duurzame-auto-s.html)). Significantly, the People’ Party (VVD) – the largest in the country and head of the current governing coalition – finds the idea “unrealistic.” But other parties point out that the Dutch Energy Act expires in 2023, so a ban on diesel and gasoline vehicles afterwards would not require that Act to be revised.

The Indian government is working on a scheme that also seems a bit far-fetched (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/auto/news/industry/india-aims-to-become-100-e-vehicle-nation-by-2030-piyush-goyal/articleshow/51551706.cms) at present. The Dutch and Norwegians are fairly rich; Indians, less so. So India’s Road Minister Nitin Gadkari wants to sell electric vehicles without a down payment, and people would pay for the car “out of the savings on petroleum products.” A meeting is to be held next week on the matter with India’s Oil Minister and its Environment Minister.

With oil prices now down considerably, however, it is questionable whether the savings will be enough to pay for the batteries alone, which need to be replaced. Tesla apparently offers and eight-year battery warranty with unlimited miles, but generally it is assumed that such batteries will need to be replaced after around 150,000 kilometers. ...

More => India joins Norway and Netherlands in wanting 100% electric vehicles (http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/india-joins-norway-and-netherlands-in-wanting-100-electric-vehicles-72869)

New Vision
04-04-2016, 01:59 PM
Really refreshing to see that there are people whose first aim is to help society, and money comes second.

Elon Musk’s simple plan from 8 years ago:

https://climatecrock.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/muskmaster1.jpg

=> Did Elon Musk Just Kill Gasoline Powered Cars? (http://climatecrocks.com/2016/04/04/did-elon-musk-just-kill-gasoline-powered-cars/)

Count Bobulescu
11-04-2017, 12:03 AM
Tesla briefly passed GM to become the top U.S. carmaker. Tesla (http://link.mail.bloombergbusiness.com/click/9357084.65896/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmxvb21iZXJnLmNvbS9xdW90ZS9UU0xBOl VTP2NtcGlkPUJCRDA0MTAxN19CSVomdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFp bCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX3Rlcm09MTcwND EwJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1ibG9vbWJlcmdkYWlseQ/5508cf323b35d034698ee8aeBd1a0ca48) climbed as much as 3.7 percent in early Monday trading, boosting its market capitalization to $51 billion. Tesla and GM (http://link.mail.bloombergbusiness.com/click/9357084.65896/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmxvb21iZXJnLmNvbS9xdW90ZS9HTTpVUz 9jbXBpZD1CQkQwNDEwMTdfQklaJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwm dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV90ZXJtPTE3MDQxMC Z1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249Ymxvb21iZXJnZGFpbHk/5508cf323b35d034698ee8aeB4f2543c1) jostled back and forth for the top spot in later trading, with the electric-car maker edging GM by about $3 million as of 2:15 p.m. in New York. Tesla has long been treated like a technology stock with investors betting on its ability to dominate a market for electric cars and energy storage. To those same investors, GM and Ford are headed for a slowdown in car sales that will erode profits.

Other new US commercial scale, as opposed to enthusiast, electric only car makers include Nicola ( large trucks ), Faraday Future, and Karma.


35 companies selling electric in the US currently.


http://www.businessreviewusa.com/technology/5292/The-rise-of-electric-car-manufacturing-in-the-US

Count Bobulescu
13-04-2017, 01:04 AM
Maybe not lower priced, but looks great.........

https://www.karmaautomotive.com/#karma

random new yorker
13-04-2017, 10:42 PM
i want one so i can put a 'snowflake' bumpersticker in the back

Donal Og
14-04-2017, 12:15 PM
Yeah , were all 'snowflakes and buttercups' aren't we? Sounds like the title of a psychedelic LP from 1966. Or a good band name!

Count Bobulescu
14-04-2017, 02:40 PM
Another reason for the confidence in Tesla not mentioned below, is that with Solar City now fully owned by Tesla, Musk will have an additional revenue/profit stream that none of the other car companies will have. That said, I think it's still overpriced, the question is by how much?






Tesla bulls


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"This chart explains (http://link.axios.com/click/9388366.10489/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5idXNpbmVzc2luc2lkZXIuY29tL2NoYXJ0LW V4cGxhaW5zLXdoeS10ZXNsYXMtc3RvY2stcHJpY2UtaW5zYW5l LXRlcnJpdG9yeS0yMDE3LTQ_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dG VyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3Ns ZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NhbQ/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bcac7a1d1) why Tesla's stock price is entering insane territory," by Business Insider's Matthew DeBord and Andy Kiersz: "[W]ith a total value of $48 billion, versus $51 billion for GM, Tesla is still considered by Wall Street the number two US automaker — Ford is at $44 billion.


The takeaway: "When it comes to the whole massive-market-cap-thing, however, we have been reminded that Tesla sells a remarkably small number of vehicles, relative to the traditional US Big Three: GM, Ford, and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles."
Get smart fast (http://link.axios.com/click/9388366.10489/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5idXNpbmVzc2luc2lkZXIuY29tL3Rlc2xhLX N0b2NrLWJ1YmJsZS1qdXN0LWdvdC10ZXJyaWZ5aW5nLTIwMTct ND91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbW FpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2Ft/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B655090f4): "Tesla bulls argue that Elon Musk's enterprise will be legitimately bigger than GM's and Ford's in the future because electric transportation will displace gas-powered mobility over the next few decades and Tesla has the best brand and largest head start.
Why it matters: "[A] market cap at Tesla's level signals an immense level of investor confidence in Tesla's future execution."

Count Bobulescu
14-04-2017, 02:52 PM
US motorists have logged 11B miles in EVs. Lousy graphics in charts at link. Tesla catching up.....fast.


http://evobsession.com/us-ev-drivers-logged-11-billion-miles/?utm_source=EVO&utm_campaign=f42c79d0ea-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a84282aa83-f42c79d0ea-130227457

random new yorker
14-04-2017, 03:45 PM
Yeah , were all 'snowflakes and buttercups' aren't we? Sounds like the title of a psychedelic LP from 1966. Or a good band name!

:)

random new yorker
14-04-2017, 03:49 PM
US motorists have logged 11B miles in EVs. Lousy graphics in charts at link. Tesla catching up.....fast.


http://evobsession.com/us-ev-drivers-logged-11-billion-miles/?utm_source=EVO&utm_campaign=f42c79d0ea-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a84282aa83-f42c79d0ea-130227457

I think that his solar roof tiles might be even bigger business ..

And that in a near future Musk will be able to ship all the Trumpies and their ground mined coal up to Mars...

Count Bobulescu
15-04-2017, 10:06 PM
I think that his solar roof tiles might be even bigger business ..

And that in a near future Musk will be able to ship all the Trumpies and their ground mined coal up to Mars...

His promotion of coal is just cynical exploitation of coalminers fears. The business case for coal is dead. Since 2000 about 60,000 coal mining jobs have been lost, and about 250,000 in the newspaper industry.

Count Bobulescu
15-04-2017, 10:09 PM
Germans, who are notoriously resistant to change, have been slow to embrace EVs. This one whose speed is deliberately limited to 217mph is aimed directly at them.

http://evobsession.com/lucid-air-ev-achieves-217-mph-video/?utm_source=EVO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=fcd1438f4d-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_a84282aa83-fcd1438f4d-130227457

Count Bobulescu
20-04-2017, 06:40 PM
Musk hopes to have a prototype available in 2017 and production by 2019. The average US long haul semi does 100K per year for 10 years. After 1M miles maintainence costs make them unsuitable for long haul, and they move to short haul. In addition to paying for itself within five years, an electric engine with fewer moving parts will extend the life of the truck.




A closer look at Musk's semi-truck battery


Axios battery wizard Steve LeVine has a very interesting new post up about Tesla's plans to enter the heavy trucking market. Here's a bit of his item, but I really recommend checking out the whole thing here (http://link.axios.com/click/9429782.1241/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2Vsb24tbXVza3Mtc2VtaS 10cnVjay1iYXR0ZXJ5LWNvdWxkLWNvc3QtNzAtMDAwLXdlaWdo LTMtdG9ucy0yMzcwMDMyNDc1Lmh0bWw_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZX dzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWdu PW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NnZW5lcmF0ZQ/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Ba356728c). Take it away....
Elon Musk's latest product — an electric Tesla semi-truck that he said (http://link.axios.com/click/9429782.1241/aHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0dGVyLmNvbS9lbG9ubXVzay9zdGF0dXMvOD UyNTgwMDI3MTc4Njk2NzA0P3JlZl9zcmM9dHdzcmMlNUV0Zncm cmVmX3VybD1odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1saXZlLmNvbS9uZXdzL3VzLX dvcmxkL2luZGV4LnNzZi8yMDE3LzA0L3Rlc2xhX3NlbWl0cmFp bGVyX3RpbWVsaW5lLmh0bWwmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dG VyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3Ns ZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NnZW5lcmF0ZQ/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B852b4500) he will introduce in September — is less outlandish than some have suggested, according to a leading battery researcher.
Why it matters: Musk threatens to upend the truck-making industry, as he has with electric cars — at least as posed by an analyst with Piper Jeffray this week who downgraded and revised (http://link.axios.com/click/9429782.1241/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5jbmJjLmNvbS8yMDE3LzA0LzE4L3Rlc2xhLX NlbWktbGVhZHMtYW5hbHlzdC10by1zdGFydC1kb3duZ3JhZGlu Zy10cnVjay1zdG9ja3MuaHRtbD91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZX R0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3 c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2dlbmVyYXRl/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Be7054981) his ratings on a few makers of conventional semi-trucks in light of the coming Tesla model. In addition, semi-trucks are responsible for (http://link.axios.com/click/9429782.1241/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAxNi8wOC8xNy9idX NpbmVzcy9lbmVyZ3ktZW52aXJvbm1lbnQvZXBhLXRydWNrLWVt aXNzaW9uLXN0YW5kYXJkcy5odG1sP19yPTAmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT 1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBh aWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NnZW5lcmF0ZQ/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B38ffd577) an estimated 20 percent of greenhouse gas emissions from the U.S. transportation sector.
Gerbrand Ceder, a materials scientist at UC Berkeley, says in a back-of-the-envelope calculation that a battery capable of powering a long-haul semi-truck for 500 miles on a single charge would cost roughly $70,000 and weigh around three tons. If fast-charging standards are upgraded to account for the trucks, an hour of fast-charging could replenish about 300 miles of range, he said. Fuel savings could pay it off in fewer than five years.

Count Bobulescu
26-04-2017, 12:05 AM
The car industry is in a delirious moment of change. Industry experts say more changes will happened in the next five years than have happened in the last fifty. As self-driving technology and ride-hailing companies circle, change is not only part of the pursuit of profit, but a matter of survival. But knowing when and how to double down on investment into new strategy is a tricky game. Despite the growing numbers of car companies manufacturing electric vehicles, consumers are still not lining up to buy EVs and broad support of self-driving car technology faces regulatory hurdles. But what’s stayed consistent across the industry is the lucrative future in an emerging car market: selling cars in China.


http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/23/15390554/china-may-lead-the-electric-car-revolution





Waymo’s self-driving minivans are now offering rides to real people in Arizona (http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/25/15415840/waymo-self-driving-minivan-early-rider-phoenix)

Count Bobulescu
07-05-2017, 05:01 PM
Monthly US EV sales Jan - April 2017. Tesla no longer included in monthly figures because they don't release numbers on a monthly basis. The sold 80,000 in 2016, and are currently on target for 100,000 in 2017, but that may jump with the release of the model 3 later this year. So Tesla currently represents about 50% of US market.


https://evobsession.com/us-electric-car-sales-report-april-2017/?utm_source=EVO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=55ec74b70a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_a84282aa83-55ec74b70a-130227457


Monthly EU EV sales Jan - March 2017. Almost double the size of the US market. Makes sense when you consider the extra advantage of ditching the higher price of EU fuel. Gas is running about 60c a liter in the US at the mo. Tesla has about 12% of EU market.


https://evobsession.com/europe-electric-car-sales-report-march-2017/?utm_source=EVO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=f350fa597d-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_a84282aa83-f350fa597d-130227457

Count Bobulescu
09-09-2017, 05:28 PM
Will this be a case of he who hesitates is lost?



Tesla's truck play: Wall Street's most prominent Tesla bull says an electric semi-truck that the company plans to unveil later this month might be 70% cheaper to operate than conventional diesel-powered vehicles, and ignite a fierce contest to dominate a nascent market in "intelligent trucks".
In a Sept. 6 note to clients, Morgan Stanley's auto team said it expects Tesla CEO Elon Musk to start taking $5,000 refundable deposits on the truck right after the unveiling, using the same method that in 2016 created outsized buzz around his Model 3 mainstream electric sedan. If the truck attracts thousands of orders — which the note's lead author, Ravi Shanker, said he considers a likelihood — Musk will create pressure on rivals to compete, and fleet owners to order even more trucks.
The bottom line: Shanker thinks semi-trucks will turn into a several-billion-dollar-a-year business for Tesla. "If the order book fills up quickly," Shanker wrote, "any carrier that holds back placing its order could potentially have to wait several years to get its hands on a Tesla truck, years during which its competitors could be running with up to a 70% cost advantage."

Count Bobulescu
17-11-2017, 04:54 PM
The unveiling of the semi tractor, plus a new roadster, and maybe a pick-up.

From Axios.......



In a typically showy ceremony in Southern California last night, Tesla CEO Elon Musk unveiled a sleek prototype electric semi-truck that he said will travel 500 miles on a charge, go zero to 60 mph in 20 seconds fully loaded, and charge most of the way in 30 minutes while a driver rests and eats. He appeared to say that the vehicle will be able to operate semi-autonomously in convoy, which would be the first step to self-driving trucks.

Why it matters: Musk did not say how much the truck will cost, but that it will be cheaper to operate than a standard diesel. If he is able to deliver the semi-truck as described, it seems likely to shake up the freight market just as he has the car business. Experts expect semi-truck traffic to surge in the coming decades as the global population grows to 9 billion people.

The unveil in an airport hanger (https://twitter.com/tsrandall/status/931375450927988736) in Hawthorne, CA., came as Musk is confronting doubts about his ability to pull off arguably his most important project of all — the scale-up of the Model 3, the flagship mainstream-priced electric that he has touted as Tesla's route to the mass market, and the jump-starting of a global electric car industry.
Tesla has taken more than 450,000 reservations at $1,000 apiece for the Model 3, which launched in July, and he was supposed to be turning out 5,000 of them a week by now. But, while making high-profile announcements about a Hyperloop, Space-X launches and now the prototype semi-truck, he has failed to create a standard automated assembly line for the Model 3, so his workers are building them in part by hand, and only by the dozen. As a result, Tesla's sky-high share price has plunged by about 19% over the last two months, closing at $312.50 yesterday.




Yet the semi-truck launch, with unexpected specs including a far-more-than-expected range, seems likely to wow his fans and quiet at least some of his critics. Musk said the average truck trip is less than 250 miles, which meant that a driver could do a round trip without recharging. Still, Musk said the truck's battery pack, built into the floorboard, can be charged to 80% of capacity in 30 minutes. He said solar-powered "mega-charging" stations for the trucks would be installed worldwide, and would be priced at 7 cents a kilowatt.



The cost per mile would be $1.26, compared with $1.51 for a diesel-operated truck. If the semi-truck is operated in a convoy, he said, the efficiencies took the operating cost below $1 a mile, and made them cheaper than moving freight by train.



The two details — range and recharge time — were crucial, and they dispelled the most profound doubts about the truck. In addition, he said standard equipment will include automatic breaking, lane-keeping and forward collision warning.

Count Bobulescu
10-01-2018, 05:03 PM
Here's a look at some new all electrics on the horizon, priced from $10,000 to $150,000


https://electrek.co/2018/01/06/sondors-opens-preorders/



https://electrek.co/2018/01/09/kia-new-electric-suv-concept-niro-ev-launch/


https://electrek.co/2018/01/08/all-electric-vanderhall-motor-edison-three-wheeler/


https://electrek.co/2018/01/08/toyota-electric-autonomous-platform-amazon-mazda-pizza-hut-uber/


https://electrek.co/2018/01/08/byton-all-electric-suv/


https://electrek.co/2018/01/09/fisker-new-emotion-all-electric-vehicle-400-mile-range/


Watch a Tesla model X tow a tractor trailer up a snow covered incline in NC last week.


https://electrek.co/2018/01/04/tesla-model-x-all-electric-tow-semi-truck-snow/

Count Bobulescu
11-01-2018, 02:01 PM
Nothing to do with electric cars, but significant auto news nonetheless............


Toyota's announcement yesterday of Alabama as the home for a shared factory with Mazda puts foreign car makers on pace to pass Detroit in U.S. production, per Wall Street Journal front page (http://link.axios.com/click/11873267.110744/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud3NqLmNvbS9hcnRpY2xlcy90b3lvdGEtcG xhbnQtcHV0cy1mb3JlaWduLWNhci1tYWtlcnMtb24tcGF0aC10 by1wYXNzLWRldHJvaXQtaW4tdS1zLXByb2R1Y3Rpb24tMTUxNT YxOTI4Nj91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1 bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249JnN0cmVhbT10b3Atc3Rvcm llcw/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B91165440):


The stat: "In the first quarter of 2018, foreign makers are expected to produce 1.4 million vehicles in the U.S., WardsAuto.com projects, equaling their American rivals for the first time."
Why it matters: GM, Ford and Fiat Chrysler "are likely see their dominance in vehicle production entirely evaporate as rivals such as Toyota and Mercedes-Benz boost their American workforces and add new factories."
"Already, the Big 3 are being outsold by non-U.S. rivals, as their share of American sales dwindled to 44% in 2017."

Count Bobulescu
12-01-2018, 02:56 PM
The future is now


GM says it's mass-producing cars without steering wheels or pedals:


The company says it has filed a petition with the federal government seeking permission to put the autonomous Chevrolet Bolts on the road sometime next year — with no human backup drivers. (AP (http://link.axios.com/click/11886630.110264/aHR0cHM6Ly9hcG5ld3MuY29tLzk3YzM1ZmFjZTI2NTRkZGE5NW I1ZTllYmJmMzhiMTJiL0dNLXNheXMtaXQncy1tYXNzLXByb2R1 Y2luZy1jYXJzLXdpdGhvdXQtc3RlZXJpbmctd2hlZWxzP3V0bV 9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0 bV9jYW1wYWlnbj0mc3RyZWFtPXRvcC1zdG9yaWVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B1e22ac6e))
Go deeper (http://link.axios.com/click/11886630.110264/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2dtLTE1MTU3MzUzNTctZT EyZTBiNzktMmZhMi00YWQ3LWFkYTYtNGYxZWUzODM1NWVhLmh0 bWw_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW 1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPSZzdHJlYW09dG9wLXN0b3JpZXM/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Ba9e5ebe3): Axios' Kia Kokalitcheva points out that only seven states currently allow for driverless cars.

Count Bobulescu
20-02-2018, 05:44 PM
Waymo zooms ahead in California autonomous vehicle testing (http://app.c.bloomberg.com/e/er?s=522772699&lid=22697&elqTrackId=0a02410720cd47a3875f3d7137bc8b9c&elq=e367089bccaa471a94e6e84b3e8198a1&elqaid=10903&elqat=1)









Unit of Alphabet accounts for 85% of reported miles driven
GM increased testing more than 10-fold from 2016 to 2017









Autonomous miles driven on public roads in California:


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Source: Bloomberg New Energy Finance, California Department of Motor Vehicles
Note: Data through November 30, 2017


Alphabet – via Waymo – accounts for over 85% of the autonomous miles driven on public roads in California from the start of 2014 through Nov. 30, 2017. Over this period, Waymo reported almost 1.5 million miles of public road testing to the California Department of Motors Vehicles. The 15 other companies that also reported data over this period completed only 210,000 miles, though competition is intensifying. General Motors increased its annual public road testing from 12,000 miles in 2016 to nearly 130,000 in 2017, and large technology companies like Baidu and NVIDIA began public road testing. Public road testing is critical to autonomous vehicle development.

Count Bobulescu
28-02-2018, 05:56 PM
How EV growth forecasts are changing



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Screenshot: Bloomberg New Energy Finance comparison (http://link.axios.com/click/12362461.13240/aHR0cHM6Ly9kYXRhLmJsb29tYmVyZ2xwLmNvbS9ibmVmL3NpdG VzLzE0LzIwMTgvMDIvQ2FwdHVyZTkuanBnP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9 bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYW lnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zZ2VuZXJhdGUmc3RyZWFtPXRv cC1zdG9yaWVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B1c597414) of evolving EV growth forecasts from different sources.
The colors look cool: Bloomberg New Energy Finance has released a comparison (http://link.axios.com/click/12362461.13240/aHR0cHM6Ly9kYXRhLmJsb29tYmVyZ2xwLmNvbS9ibmVmL3NpdG VzLzE0LzIwMTgvMDIvQ2FwdHVyZTkuanBnP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9 bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYW lnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zZ2VuZXJhdGUmc3RyZWFtPXRv cC1zdG9yaWVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0C1c597414) of upward revisions in long-term EV projections from some of the big long-term global forecasts.


It takes into account a major change last week from BP, which has bumped its 2035 projection to 190 million EVs on the road in 2035 (up from 100 million in last year's outlook), and issued a first-time 2040 forecast of 320 million.

What they agree on (and don't): Colin McKerracher, a top BNEF analyst, has a blog post alongside the chart (http://link.axios.com/click/12362461.13240/aHR0cHM6Ly9hYm91dC5ibmVmLmNvbS9ibG9nL2Jwcy1lbmVyZ3 ktb3V0bG9vay1hbmQtdGhlLXJpc2luZy1jb25zZW5zdXMtb24t ZXYtYWRvcHRpb24vP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG 1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVy X2F4aW9zZ2VuZXJhdGUmc3RyZWFtPXRvcC1zdG9yaWVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bcebbcc3d) that explores why his shop sees much more growth than the other forecasts, and even BP's relatively large projection:


They're more optimistic about the degree and pace of battery price declines.
BP sees "very dramatic" improvements in the efficiency of internal combustion engines.
BNEF predicts gains there too, but McKerracher notes that they see "escalating costs of delivering these improvements driving more automakers toward adding plugs to their cars instead."
"Ultimately though, we agree on more than we disagree. Like us, BP now expects some mass adoption of EVs and sees a growing role for sharing and autonomy," he writes.

* * *
Speaking of EVs: The Financial Times has an in-depth weekend piece (http://link.axios.com/click/12362461.13240/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZnQuY29tL2NvbnRlbnQvZTliODM4MzQtMT U1Yi0xMWU4LTkzNzYtNGE2MzkwYWRkYjQ0P3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9 bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYW lnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zZ2VuZXJhdGUmc3RyZWFtPXRv cC1zdG9yaWVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B90a11827) on the competition among automakers to secure supplies of lithium, cobalt and other raw materials for EV batteries.


Quoted: “I think a lot of car manufacturers are almost panicking, in the sense they want to make sure they don’t miss out on the essential materials they need for the battery," Milan Thakore, a Wood Mackenzie analyst, tells the FT.






Maybe a new battery breakthru round the corner, on the horizon........



The U.K.'s Dyson and South Korean industrial giant Samsung — both bruised by setbacks in their efforts to master modern batteries — are members of an unusually high-powered investment round in a little-known Massachusetts startup.


What we're hearing: Some of the world's biggest industrial companies are part of the $65 million investment in Ionic Materials, attracted by the belief that it has solved one of the longest-unsettled problems in batteries — how to use solid state technology without fire hazards or astronomical production costs.


Other investors: China's A123, Japan's Hitachi, and a French-Japanese carmaking alliance of Renault, Nissan and Mitsubishi.


Why they are in: Ionic claims a breakthrough in solid state technology, a system sought for decades as a potential pathway to the commercialization of ultra-high-energy batteries. It asserts that its liquid crystal polymer — a brand-new material — solves most of the main problems that have vexed solid state researchers.


Why it matters: If Ionic's claims are independently validated and its material can be improved to withstand a punishing regime of up to 1,000 cycles, it could usher in much more affordable electric cars and longer-running smart phones.


Yes, but: Some of the battery experts who chatted with Steve urge caution about some of Ionic's specific assertions about its technology, given the steep challenges solid state especially has faced, along with the lack of complete public data from the company.

Count Bobulescu
11-05-2018, 04:58 PM
Number of the day: 1 million electric vehicles1 million-plus: That's the number of electric vehicles that are on pace to be sold in China this year (http://link.axios.com/click/13181552.14359/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud3NqLmNvbS9hcnRpY2xlcy9lbGVjdHJpYy 12ZWhpY2xlLXNhbGVzLWFtcC11cC1pbi1jaGluYS0xNTI2MDMw NjkwP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPW VtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zZ2Vu ZXJhdGUmc3RyZWFtPXRvcC1zdG9yaWVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bd828229a), according to a Friday morning piece in the Wall Street Journal, up from 777,000 last year.
Why it matters: Topping 1 million is a symbolic but interesting threshold that signals the coming mainstreaming of EVs, even though they remain just a tiny fraction of global auto sales.


China is the world's largest auto market, so trends there affect the plans of automakers worldwide.

One level deeper: "The Chinese government is targeting 2 million EV sales in 2020, and is trying to achieve that with incentives as well as restrictions on gasoline-car purchases. China accounted for roughly half of all global EV sales in the first quarter of 2018," the paper reports.

Count Bobulescu
01-06-2018, 03:17 PM
Poll shows big EV potential despite doubts


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An exclusive Axios/SurveyMonkey (http://link.axios.com/click/13426352.12824/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc3VydmV5bW9ua2V5LmNvbS9tcC9zdXJ2ZX ktbWV0aG9kb2xvZ3kvP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1 dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dG VyX2F4aW9zZ2VuZXJhdGUmc3RyZWFtPXRvcA/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0C7831e862) poll finds that even though most of the public is still wary of electric vehicles, EV sales have room to grow massively in the U.S. — because even the small percentages of people who say they're interested suggest a market far bigger than the current one.
By the numbers: 14% of U.S. adults say they're either "extremely" or "very" likely to go electric with their next car purchase or lease, while a combined 62% said they would probably steer clear. Another 23% said they were "somewhat likely" to get an electric car.
The big picture: Sales of pure electric and plug-in hybrid electric cars in the U.S. last year were close to 200,000 combined. That's a little more than 1% of the country's roughly 17 million auto sales.


That means if the preferences revealed in the survey begin translating into actual consumer behavior in coming years, sales that are already growing are poised to expand greatly.
“Those numbers actually tell us that, given the level of education of the market as it is now, there is still quite a lot of space to grow for electrification,” Bloomberg New Energy Finance analyst Salim Morsy tells Axios.

Yes, but: There are still plenty of factors that can prevent pro-electric consumers from making the leap, including limits on vehicle availability in some regions and the number of models to choose from.
Go deeper: We've got more polling results (http://link.axios.com/click/13426352.12824/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2F4aW9zLXN1cnZleW1vbm tleS1wb2xsLWVsZWN0cmljLWNhcnMtaGF2ZS1odWdlLWdyb3d0 aC1wb3RlbnRpYWwtM2UwODdhYmQtNzY0Yy00NzFhLTkwNGEtYW M0N2I0ZGMxZmQ1Lmh0bWw_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVy JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZX R0ZXJfYXhpb3NnZW5lcmF0ZSZzdHJlYW09dG9w/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Ba97aaaa5) in the Axios stream.












States ramp up electric vehicle efforts


Thursday brought a burst of state-level actions to support wider deployment of EVs despite recent administration moves to lessen efficiency standards (h/t to Bloomberg (http://link.axios.com/click/13426352.12824/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmxvb21iZXJnLmNvbS9uZXdzL2FydGljbG VzLzIwMTgtMDUtMzEvaW4tYS1zaW5nbGUtZGF5LXRoZS1lbGVj dHJpYy1jYXItYm9vbS1nYWlucy1zcGVlZC1pbi0zLXN0YXRlcz 91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFp bCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2dlbmVyYX RlJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B0e2182ae)).
California: The state's public utilities commission approved $738 million worth of various charging infrastructure projects and initiatives (http://link.axios.com/click/13426352.12824/aHR0cDovL2RvY3MuY3B1Yy5jYS5nb3YvUHVibGlzaGVkRG9jcy 9QdWJsaXNoZWQvRzAwMC9NMjE1L0szODAvMjE1MzgwNDI0LlBE Rj91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbW FpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2dlbmVy YXRlJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B32d34a7b) by its three biggest power companies over five years, including:


SDG&E to provide rebates to residential customers to install up to 60,000 charging stations.
PG&E to install infrastructure in at least 700 sites to "support the electrification of at least 6,500 medium- or heavy-duty vehicles."
Why it matters: "The approved plans mark the state’s largest investment in electrification to date and build on smaller-scale utility-sponsored EV programs now underway," Greentech Media writes in this detailed piece (http://link.axios.com/click/13426352.12824/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ3JlZW50ZWNobWVkaWEuY29tL2FydGljbG VzL3JlYWQvY2FsaWZvcm5pYS1jcHVjLWFwcHJvdmVzLWxhbmRt YXJrLWV2LWNoYXJnaW5nLXByb3Bvc2Fscz91dG1fc291cmNlPW 5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFp Z249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2dlbmVyYXRlJnN0cmVhbT10b3 AjZ3MuY0JBT2VCTQ/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bd43acf3a).

New York: The state announced a $250 million plan to expand charging infrastructure. Via AP (http://link.axios.com/click/13426352.12824/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zYWNiZWUuY29tL25ld3MvYnVzaW5lc3MvdG VjaG5vbG9neS9hcnRpY2xlMjEyMzE4MTQ5Lmh0bWw_dXRtX3Nv dXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2 NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NnZW5lcmF0ZSZzdHJl YW09dG9w/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bc2679d43), the plan includes up to 200 fast-chargers along highways and certain urban areas. And...


"The [New York] Power Authority is installing 400 public chargers at airports, train stations and municipal parking lots, and high-speed chargers are planned for Thruway service areas between New York City and Buffalo," AP reports.

New Jersey: The state's big power company, PSEG, announced a $300 million EV infrastructure plan as part of its much larger, five-year, multi-billion dollar investment (http://link.axios.com/click/13426352.12824/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubm9ydGhqZXJzZXkuY29tL3N0b3J5L25ld3 MvMjAxOC8wNi8wMS9wc2VnLXBsYW5zLTMtYmlsbGlvbi1wbGFu LXNhdmUtZW5lcmd5LXVzZS1hbmQtYWRkLWNoYXJnaW5nLXN0YX Rpb25zLzY2MTIxMzAwMi8_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVy JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZX R0ZXJfYXhpb3NnZW5lcmF0ZSZzdHJlYW09dG9w/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B0be00c14) cycle, per northjersey.com (http://northjersey.com/).

Count Bobulescu
31-08-2018, 02:11 PM
An EV milestone and more Tesla intrigue


The big picture: Cumulative global sales of electric passenger vehicles will reach 4 million this week, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance — but what's even more interesting is the rate of increase. They said in a report Thursday (https://link.axios.com/click/14323621.24603/aHR0cHM6Ly9hYm91dC5ibmVmLmNvbS9ibG9nL2N1bXVsYXRpdm UtZ2xvYmFsLWV2LXNhbGVzLWhpdC00LW1pbGxpb24vP3V0bV9z b3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV 9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zZ2VuZXJhdGUmc3Ry ZWFtPXRvcC1zdG9yaWVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bc031c3f7)...
The time needed to reach each consecutive million EVs sold has shrunk from 17 months for the second million to 6 months for the fourth million.
There are several new EV models that we expect to come to the market before the end of 2018, which should help increase sales numbers globally.
Tesla: Reuters broke the news last night (https://link.axios.com/click/14323621.24603/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmV1dGVycy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS91cy10ZX NsYS1tdXNrLWJsYWNrcm9jay9ibGFja3JvY2stdm90ZWQtdG8t cmVwbGFjZS10ZXNsYXMtbXVzay13aXRoLWluZGVwZW5kZW50LW JvYXJkLWNoYWlyLWlkVVNLQ04xTEcwMVI_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1u ZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaW duPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NnZW5lcmF0ZSZzdHJlYW09dG9w LXN0b3JpZXM/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B95a13b01) that funds controlled by BlackRock, the investment powerhouse, supported a failed attempt to replace Elon Musk with an independent chairman of the board.


Tesla investors overwhelmingly voted down the proposal the split the CEO and board chairman duties at the electric automaker's shareholder meeting in June.
Why it matters: While the motion failed, BlackRock's stance signals that a major shareholder that's one of the nation's most powerful investors believes there should be a fundamental change in Tesla's management structure.
And that was even before the more recent tumult over the aborted take-private plan and some other recent Musk controversies.
Per Reuters, "BlackRock funds are a top-10 Tesla stockholder, controlling nearly 6.5 million of Tesla’s 170 million shares."

Count Bobulescu
11-09-2018, 10:57 PM
Chart of the week: Cumulative global EV sales hit 4 million












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Cumulative passenger EV sales were set to hit 4 million at the end of August. This includes battery electric passenger vehicles and plug-in hybrid passenger vehicles. The time needed to reach each consecutive million EVs sold has shrunk, we estimate it will take just over 6 months to hit 5 million EVs sold. The acceleration aligns with major markets – China, Europe and North America – approaching or exceeding EVs accounting for a 2% share in new car sales. In 2Q 2018, the share of EVs in new car sales was at 4%, 2.3% and 1.6% in China, Europe and North America, respectively.

Count Bobulescu
14-09-2018, 03:16 PM
Tesla fleet collectively hits 9 billion miles. All that info is being processed to develop driverless.



The Model 3 is helping Tesla’s fleet grow at a record pace and that expanded fleet is accumulating a record number of miles.
Electrek has learned that it has now reached a total of 9 billion electric miles.



Back in October 2016, we reported on Tesla reaching the 3 billion electric mile milestone (https://electrek.co/2016/10/01/teslas-global-fleet-just-reached-3-billion-electric-miles-driven/) and the company’s global fleet managed to add 500 million more miles 3 months later – bringing the total to 3.5 billion (https://electrek.co/2016/12/26/tesla-global-fleet-3-5-billion-miles/) in December and another half a billion more by March 2017 (https://electrek.co/2017/03/20/tesla-global-fleet-reaches-4-billion-electric-miles-ahead-model-3/).

At the time, Tesla’s fleet was driving about 5 million miles a day on average.
We were able to track the progress through the Tesla road trip page and Tesla confirmed that its global fleet reached over 5 billion electric miles driven (https://electrek.co/2017/07/12/tesla-global-fleet-electric-miles-model-3-launch/) in July 2017.
The average went up to almost 7 million miles per day when Tesla slowly started Model 3 production.


Tesla removed the counter from the Tesla road trip page and we haven’t been able to track the fleet mileage since, but now a source familiar with the data point confirmed to Electrek that the fleet surpassed 9 billion total miles this week.


Of course, the automaker is now also adding miles at a higher pace than ever before thanks to the Model 3 production ramp up.
In the past 7 days, Tesla drivers averaged almost 20 million miles per day – close to 4 times the average from just 2 years ago.
At this pace, Tesla’s fleet will cross the 10 billion-mile mark by Thanksgiving.


Electrek’s Take
That’s the rEVolution.
That’s what it is all about. If it wasn’t for Tesla and Tesla buyers, those 9 billion miles would have been traveled by polluting gas-powered cars.
Now electric powertrains are powering the mileage from much less polluting electric sources – sometimes even from zero-emission sources, like solar, wind, and hydro.
Congrats to all Tesla and EV drivers contributing to that goal and especially to those who make a conscious choice about where their electricity is coming from.

Count Bobulescu
16-09-2018, 06:48 PM
What's old is new again......



https://electrek.co/2018/09/14/microlinos-electric-bubble-car-preorders/

Publicrealm
17-09-2018, 10:50 PM
Apart from range issues (I need 400km and charging at either end - where none exists at present) how, in terms of environmental impacts, can electric beat the 72 mpg I get at the moment in a diesel?

My driving is atypical - 90% long-distance (and mostly bicycle for city or short distances)

Count Bobulescu
18-09-2018, 02:34 PM
Apart from range issues (I need 400km and charging at either end - where none exists at present) how, in terms of environmental impacts, can electric beat the 72 mpg I get at the moment in a diesel?

My driving is atypical - 90% long-distance (and mostly bicycle for city or short distances)

Many and varied factors go into the calculation, and in the US it also varies by region depending on how the electricity is generated, but an average of 80 mpg equivalent in emissions, is the currently accepted figure. That may not be much better than your 72 mpg, but 72 miles of battery electricity will "likely" cost a lot less than a gallon of diesel, at least for now, or until the gummint imposes new taxes.
BEV's currently make more sense in high gas tax EU than low tax US.
Tesla has a high end model that claims 340 miles, and you can install a private fast charging (4-5 hours) system in your garage for about $1,500.
Just yesterday Lucid Motors announced a $1B Saudi investment and plans to launch a high end model with a 400 mile range in 2020.

Count Bobulescu
19-09-2018, 04:39 PM
Elon Musk is a billionaire who's started two of the most famous companies on Earth. He's also single-handedly created a blowback storm that has led to endless bad publicity and circling stock market sharks, writes Axios' Ben Geman (https://link.axios.com/click/14496471.37311/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL25ld3NsZXR0ZXJzL2F4aW 9zLWdlbmVyYXRlLWMzMDVmNjA5LTgzMTgtNDg4Ni04ZDJmLWYw NDA0MjhhZWM3Yi5odG1sP2NodW5rPTAmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZX dzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWdu PW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3Nsb2dpbiZzdHJlYW09dG9wI3N0b3 J5MA/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B22cc4fe0) in our Generate newsletter (sign up here (https://link.axios.com/click/14496471.37311/aHR0cDovL2xpbmsuYXhpb3MuY29tL2pvaW4vZ2VuZXJhdGUtc2 lnbnVwP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVt PWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zbG 9naW4mc3RyZWFtPXRvcA/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B727c36a5)).
The big picture: Musk faces legal problems on several fronts and is bleeding key talent at Tesla, with newer players eyeing the electric vehicle market and established automakers like Audi expanding their offerings.
The state of Elon:


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The other side: You don't have to be a fanboy to think that Tesla remains in a fundamentally good spot despite the mishaps.


Tesla has sold more pure electric vehicles than any other company in the world, has plenty of name recognition and — unlike upstarts like Nio and Lucid Motors — has a track record of producing lots of cars.
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Publicrealm
19-09-2018, 10:53 PM
Many and varied factors go into the calculation, and in the US it also varies by region depending on how the electricity is generated, but an average of 80 mpg equivalent in emissions, is the currently accepted figure. That may not be much better than your 72 mpg, but 72 miles of battery electricity will "likely" cost a lot less than a gallon of diesel, at least for now, or until the gummint imposes new taxes.
BEV's currently make more sense in high gas tax EU than low tax US.
Tesla has a high end model that claims 340 miles, and you can install a private fast charging (4-5 hours) system in your garage for about $1,500.
Just yesterday Lucid Motors announced a $1B Saudi investment and plans to launch a high end model with a 400 mile range in 2020.

I might go for it if Tesla was a bit cheaper to buy and hit 400 miles. I drive regularly to a remote location where I park in a tiny village car park - no chance of recharging while I'm there. This means I must stop for a period to recharge when en-route - a nuisance as the drive time is already 4.5 hours. Also, most city folks don't have garages - they live in shoe-boxes if they are lucky.

I'm sure the infrastructure will be sorted in time - but it will take a decade imo (in Ireland anyway).

(In fairness, my range requirements may be atypical.)

Count Bobulescu
30-09-2018, 05:31 PM
3 days after the SEC filed charges...........WaPo.....






Tesla's Elon Musk settles with SEC, will pay $20 million fine and resign as board chairman (https://s2.washingtonpost.com/bcba11/5bafeee8f0b2200e694feea0/Y2FmZnJleS50QGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D/1/10/3d327c2688f5614459d197d2e1be1455)


Under the terms of the agreement, Musk will remain the company's chief executive but step down as chairman within 45 days. Tesla will also name two new independent board directors and pay a $20 million fine.
The Securities and Exchange Commission sued Musk on Thursday for misleading investors when he tweeted that he secured financing to take the electric car maker private. Musk had earlier vowed to fight, and the SEC had sought his dismissal as CEO.


Read more » (https://s2.washingtonpost.com/bcba11/5bafeee8f0b2200e694feea0/Y2FmZnJleS50QGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D/2/10/3d327c2688f5614459d197d2e1be1455)

Count Bobulescu
03-10-2018, 03:00 PM
83,500 per Q =330K per year. Well on the way to goal of 500K by 2020.....



Electrek.....

Tesla Model S/3/X Deliveries

Tesla broke down the deliveries per model:


Q3 deliveries totaled 83,500 vehicles:

55,840 Model 3
14,470 Model S
13,190 Model X.



It comes down right below our expectation of ~85,000 deliveries during the third quarter. Which was extrapolated based on the large number of vehicles in the delivery queue at the end of the last quarter.

Tesla elaborated on the Model 3 deliveries during the last three months:



“Our Q3 Model 3 deliveries were limited to higher-priced variants, cash/loan transactions, and North American customers only. There remain significant opportunities to grow the addressable market for Model 3 by introducing leasing, standard battery and other lower-priced variants of the car, and by starting international deliveries.”

We expect Tesla to start deliveries in right side driving areas like Europe in the coming quarters. Tesla will show off the Model 3 at the Paris Motor show this week.

Count Bobulescu
03-10-2018, 03:04 PM
The new car sales numbers for September from Norway are in and the country, which is already known for spearheading electrification, is reaching new levels of electric domination and low emission average

10,620 new passenger cars were registered in Norway last month. About 45% of them were all-electric vehicles and the number goes up to 60% when including plug-in hybrids, according to official registration data (http://www.ofvas.no/bilsalget-i-september/category782.html).


It’s a new record for the country.
Average CO2 emissions of new cars registered are now at a record low of 55g per km, which is an impressive 16g per km lower than in September 2017


Řyvind Solberg Thorsen, director of the Road Traffic Advisory Board, commented:
“Such a large increase in electric cars caused a record low CO2 emissions of 55g/km. Although we in Norway are accustomed to average CO2 emissions falling from month to month, this is the lowest level we have ever measured.”



Unsurprisingly, diesel car sales are down, but all-electric vehicles sales also appear to be getting market shares from plug-in hybrids.
Tesla contributed massively to all-electric vehicle deployment in the country last month with just over 2,000 new registrations.


As we previously reported, Tesla tried to stabilize its monthly deliveries in the country after some significant issues (https://electrek.co/2018/06/07/tesla-sales-norway-surge-stabilize-delivery-issues/).


It appeared to be successful at doing so during the second quarter, but they went back to their old habit of pushing deliveries into the last month of the quarter for Q3.
Tesla delivered about 2,300 cars in the country during the third quarter and over 2,000 of them were delivered in the last month.
Update: This article previously didn’t represent the hybrid/PHEV split properly.



ELECTREK’S TAKE

We are kind of getting used to Norway breaking new records for electric vehicle adoption, but it is still quite impressive.
It would be overlooking a massive success to just say that it such a small market that it doesn’t matter much.
Forget countries or even states, no city has managed this kind of EV adoption. It’s truly unprecedented.


Mostly because they are doing it with limited options on the market. They get more EV options than your average market, but it is still somewhat limited.
Can you imagine what will happen when the Model 3 is available? When the Audi e-tron is available? And all those other all-electric vehicles coming to market in the next 2-3 years?
Norway aims for all new cars to be all-electric by 2025. I think they will hit that goal easily. The last few percentage points are going to be hard, but I see them getting to ~90% by 2020.

Count Bobulescu
17-10-2018, 02:48 PM
Uber valued at more than GM + Ford + Chrysler


Uber has received proposals from Wall Street banks valuing the company at as much as $120 billion for an IPO that could take place early next year, per The Wall Street Journal (subscription (https://link.axios.com/click/14781310.204561/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud3NqLmNvbS9hcnRpY2xlcy91YmVyLXByb3 Bvc2Fscy12YWx1ZS1jb21wYW55LWF0LTEyMC1iaWxsaW9uLWlu LWEtcG9zc2libGUtaXBvLTE1Mzk2OTAzNDM_dGVzbGE9eSZ1dG 1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1 dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2FtJnN0cmVhbT 10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bc7b79916)).


"That eye-popping figure is nearly double Uber’s valuation in a fundraising round two months ago," and more than GM, Ford and Fiat Chrysler (https://link.axios.com/click/14781310.204561/aHR0cDovL3F1b3Rlcy53c2ouY29tL0ZDQVU_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT 1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBh aWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NhbSZzdHJlYW09dG9w/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B7d160198) combined.

Count Bobulescu
15-11-2018, 03:25 PM
Electric Vehicle Outlook 2018 (http://app.c.bloomberg.com/e/er?s=522772699&lid=32097&elqTrackId=b1b1e75094e0405e97e45b1162a11be4&elq=dc0412be0f844d849bea45aeeab859ae&elqaid=15448&elqat=1)







EV sales are on pace to reach over 1.6 million this year, up from just a few hundred thousand in 2014. According to our Electric Vehicle Outlook, EV sales will reach 11 million in 2025 and then surge to 30 million in 2030 as they become cheaper to make than internal combustion engine vehicles. Find more key trends and highlights in this free public report (http://app.c.bloomberg.com/e/er?s=522772699&lid=32097&elqTrackId=c2b14894a8c24770a663f8537183a0c3&elq=dc0412be0f844d849bea45aeeab859ae&elqaid=15448&elqat=1).

Count Bobulescu
28-11-2018, 03:26 PM
The auto industry is undergoing profound change..........


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Welcome to the modern car industry, which is full of bad news, report Axios' Felix Salmon in New York and Joann Muller in Detroit.

The big picture: All the top-selling sedans in America — the Toyota Camry, Honda Civic, Honda Accord, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Altima, and Nissan Sentra — are Japanese.




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What's next? Almost certainly, even more job losses.


Car factories are at their most efficient when they run at full capacity. Right now America is capable of producing many more vehicles than there's demand for — roughly 3.2 million vehicles per year, according to (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hdXRvbmV3cy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS8yMDE4MT EyNi9PRU0wMi8xODExMjk4NzUvZ20tYmFycmEtYWxsLXN0YXIt Y2VvLWluZHVzdHJ5LWxlYWRlci0yMDE4P3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bm V3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWln bj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zYW0mc3RyZWFtPXRvcA/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B3c965a37) Kristin Dziczek, vice president of industry, labor and economics at the Center for Automotive Research. (GM accounts for about 1 million of that.)
The logic of efficiency means that yet more factories are likely to close.


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Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn, after trying to push through a merger with France's Renault that neither company really wanted, is now sitting in a Japanese jail (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2Nhcmxvcy1naG9zbi1uaX NzYW4tY29ycG9yYXRlLWZyYXVkLTkzNTQxMzE0LTBmNjYtNDYz OC04NTIzLTc1MjVkNjI4ZGI4Yi5odG1sP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bm V3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWln bj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zYW0mc3RyZWFtPXRvcA/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Baae15b94). A Nissan whistleblower told Japanese authorities that Ghosn was being paid tens of millions of dollars in undeclared income. (Wall Street Journal editorial: "The Ghosn Inquisition (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud3NqLmNvbS9hcnRpY2xlcy90aGUtZ2hvc2 4taW5xdWlzaXRpb24tMTU0MzI3Nzc1Nz91dG1fc291cmNlPW5l d3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ2 49bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2FtJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B2b0554ee)")
Fiat Chrysler is struggling (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmV1dGVycy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS91cy1maW F0Y2hyeXNsZXItcmVzdWx0cy9maWF0LWNocnlzbGVyLWN1dHMt MjAxOC1vdXRsb29rLXNoYXJlcy10dW1ibGUtaWRVU0tCTjFLRj FKST91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1l bWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2FtJn N0cmVhbT10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B75c03b4a) after the death (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAxOC8wNy8yNS9idX NpbmVzcy9zZXJnaW8tbWFyY2hpb25uZS1kaWVzLWZpYXQtY2hy eXNsZXIuaHRtbD91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX2 1lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9h eGlvc2FtJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Be9af2b61) of its charismatic leader, Sergio Marchionne, who never achieved his longstanding dream (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmV1dGVycy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS91cy1hdX Rvc2hvdy1nZW5ldmEtZmlhdGNocnlzbGVyLW0tYS1pZFVTS0JO MTZFMURIP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaX VtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9z YW0mc3RyZWFtPXRvcA/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bcd74fe6b) of merging with GM.
Volkswagen, which has also seen a senior executive arrested (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmV1dGVycy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS91cy12b2 xrc3dhZ2VuLWVtaXNzaW9ucy1zdGFkbGVyL2hlYWQtb2Ytdndz LWF1ZGktYXJyZXN0ZWQtaW4tZ2VybWFueS1vdmVyLWRpZXNlbC 1zY2FuZGFsLWlkVVNLQk4xSkUwUjM_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdz bGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW 5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NhbSZzdHJlYW09dG9w/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bb910c016), has set aside $30 billion to cover costs associated with its Dieselgate scandal (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvVm9sa3N3YW dlbl9lbWlzc2lvbnNfc2NhbmRhbD91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3Ns ZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bm V3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2FtJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B06e6da48).


What to watch: The future of car-making might be grim, but stock market investors are excited about self-driving cars and mobility as a service.


That market logic is putting pressure on carmakers to pour billions into R&D. It's also driving strategic investments in everything from AI to electric scooters.
The result: A major secular employment shift away from unionized factory workers and Detroit middle-management lifers. Expect the United Auto Workers, still GM's largest shareholder with a $3.6 billion stake in the company, to remain extremely unhappy (https://link.axios.com/click/15225671.194433/aHR0cHM6Ly91YXcub3JnL2dtLXByb2R1Y3Rpb24tZGVjaXNpb2 4taGFybXMtd29ya2Vycy1taWNoaWdhbi1vaGlvLW1hcnlsYW5k L2FtcC8_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW 09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3Nh bSZzdHJlYW09dG9w/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bcf6fc6ad)for the foreseeable future.



The rise of driverless delivery



A new report suggests autonomous vehicles could deliver goods cheaper and faster — within an hour or two of ordering in some cases — and have a major impact on consumer behavior.
The big picture: It's still unclear whether people will embrace self-driving vehicles, but the report by KPMG says one way it could happen is by lowering the cost of goods delivery, enabling e-commerce to take a larger bite (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud3NqLmNvbS9hcnRpY2xlcy9zdG9yZS10cm FmZmljLWZhbGxzLWFnYWluLW9uLWJsYWNrLWZyaWRheS1idXQt bm90LWFsbC1uZXdzLWlzLWJhZC0xNTQzMTY1OTg4P3V0bV9zb3 VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9j YW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zYXV0b25vbW91c3ZlaG ljbGVzJnN0cmVhbT1hdXRvbm9tb3VzLXZlaGljbGVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B58d1c0ca) out of brick-and-mortar sales and reducing the number of shopping trips (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly9uaHRzLm9ybmwuZ292L2Fzc2V0cy8yMDE3X25odH Nfc3VtbWFyeV90cmF2ZWxfdHJlbmRzLnBkZj91dG1fc291cmNl PW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcG FpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc2F1dG9ub21vdXN2ZWhpY2xl cyZzdHJlYW09YXV0b25vbW91cy12ZWhpY2xlcw/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B6ef47256) people make.


That access to fast, low-cost delivery could make it irresistible to order even more stuff — and send profound ripples through the economy.

Details: KPMG predicts (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly9hZHZpc29yeS5rcG1nLnVzL2NvbnRlbnQvZGFtL2 Fkdmlzb3J5L2VuL3BkZnMvMjAxOC9hdXRvbm9teS1kZWxpdmVy cy1maW5hbC1zZWN1cmVkLXdlYi5wZGY_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZX dzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWdu PW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NhdXRvbm9tb3VzdmVoaWNsZXMmc3 RyZWFtPWF1dG9ub21vdXMtdmVoaWNsZXM/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B9eb99a12) goods will be delivered via AV fleets operating in "islands of autonomy (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly9hc3NldHMua3BtZy5jb20vY29udGVudC9kYW0va3 BtZy96YS9wZGYvMjAxNy8xMS9pc2xhbmRzLW9mLWF1dG9ub215 LXdlYi5wZGY_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZW RpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhp b3NhdXRvbm9tb3VzdmVoaWNsZXMmc3RyZWFtPWF1dG9ub21vdX MtdmVoaWNsZXM/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B34d01b27)" where, because of population density and regulations, deployment makes sense.


They envision orders for goods being filled using a combination of artificial intelligence and robots, then delivered via a fleet of AVs.
In some places, packages or groceries could be delivered right to your door. In more congested urban areas, they might be sent to a secure locker, the modern-day equivalent of a milk box.
Ford estimates (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2F1dG9ub21vdXMtdmVoaW NsZXMtc21hbGwtYnVzaW5lc3Nlcy1mb3JkLWFlMGY0ZWExLTJh YTktNDRiNy1iYzY0LWEyMWYwNmIyZWVjYi5odG1sP3V0bV9zb3 VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9j YW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zYXV0b25vbW91c3ZlaG ljbGVzJnN0cmVhbT1hdXRvbm9tb3VzLXZlaGljbGVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bc0706d1e) AVs will drive down delivery cost per mile to around $1 from $2.50, but KPMG says delivery cost for small, single-package "bots" could be as little as 4 to 7 cents per mile.
Quick, low-cost delivery options could mean people cut their shopping trips in half and buy stuff online 1.5 to 3 times more frequently, the authors estimate by applying population projections to government data on today's shopping trips per household.

"Our thesis is that consumer demand will go up because it’s so easy. It will be great for the economy."

— Gary Silberg, KPMG's automotive sector leader
Yes, but: People are wary of riding in self-driving cars (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL21vc3QtYW1lcmljYW5zLW ZlYXItc2VsZi1kcml2aW5nLWNhcnMtNTMwYjQ4YTktYmFjNi00 NWJkLWFmYzEtZjU5YzUyOTUzYmQzLmh0bWw_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT 1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBh aWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NhdXRvbm9tb3VzdmVoaWNsZX Mmc3RyZWFtPWF1dG9ub21vdXMtdmVoaWNsZXM/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B81c43f4e), and the consumer demand for AV delivery is unclear.


KPMG studied Chicago shoppers' visits to Walmart, Costco and Target and concluded consumers are more likely to request delivery from their neighborhood Walmart and Target, but will still travel longer distances to go to Costco for the experience.
The authors think consumers might be more willing to take a risk on AV grocery delivery; if something goes wrong, they might lose just a few broken eggs.

What's happening: A handful of automakers and AV tech companies are collaborating with U.S. retailers (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmV1dGVycy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS91cy1mb3 JkLW1vdG9yLXNlbGZkcml2aW5nLXdhbG1hcnQvZm9yZC13YWxt YXJ0LXRvLWNvbGxhYm9yYXRlLW9uLWRlc2lnbmluZy1hdXRvbW F0ZWQtdmVoaWNsZS1kZWxpdmVyeS1pZFVTS0NOMU5KMUdFP3V0 bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJn V0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zYXV0b25vbW91 c3ZlaGljbGVzJnN0cmVhbT1hdXRvbm9tb3VzLXZlaGljbGVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bd9a318fb) to explore autonomous goods delivery.


Kroger and AV startup Nuro are experimenting with same-day grocery delivery (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly90ZWNoY3J1bmNoLmNvbS8yMDE4LzA4LzE2L251cm 8tYW5kLWtyb2dlci1hcmUtZGVwbG95aW5nLXNlbGYtZHJpdmlu Zy1jYXJzLWZvci1ncm9jZXJ5LWRlbGl2ZXJ5LWluLWFyaXpvbm EtdG9kYXkvP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVk aXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW 9zYXV0b25vbW91c3ZlaGljbGVzJnN0cmVhbT1hdXRvbm9tb3Vz LXZlaGljbGVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bb237fa6e) in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Toyota partnered with Amazon and Pizza Hut (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmxvb21iZXJnLmNvbS9uZXdzL2FydGljbG VzLzIwMTgtMDEtMDgvdG95b3RhLXRhcHMtYW1hem9uLXRvLWpv aW4tZHJpdmVybGVzcy1kZWxpdmVyeS12ZWhpY2xlLWFsbGlhbm NlP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVt YWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zYXV0b2 5vbW91c3ZlaGljbGVzJnN0cmVhbT1hdXRvbm9tb3VzLXZlaGlj bGVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B650cff1f), among others, to explore uses for its e-Palette autonomous concept vehicle.
In China (https://link.axios.com/click/15240159.8773/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2NoaW5hLWpkLWNvbS1wYW NrYWdlLWRlbGl2ZXJ5LWxvZ2lzdGljcy1hbWF6b24tdXBzLWZl ZGV4LWQ0ODgzMGFmLTZhM2MtNDg3My05MWExLTY4OGEwOGE3OD RjYS5odG1sP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVk aXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW 9zYXV0b25vbW91c3ZlaGljbGVzJnN0cmVhbT1hdXRvbm9tb3Vz LXZlaGljbGVz/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bacffe3be), e-commerce giants JD and Alibaba are already piloting driverless robots that deliver goods to a secure e-locker.

What to watch: Smart retailers could have two choices — make delivery super-easy for their customers, or make their stores so inviting people will still want to make the trip.

Count Bobulescu
30-11-2018, 02:40 PM
Who's funding an EV charging heavyweight










ChargePoint, one of the world's biggest players in electric vehicle charging, said Wednesday that it has raised another $240 million dollars — an amount that approaches the nearly $300 million previously raised during its 11-year history.
Why it matters: The money — and who it's from — signal investor and corporate confidence that EVs are an important growth market, even though today they're a tiny share of the global auto market.
New investors include Chevron, utility giant power giant American Electric Power, and Singapore's sovereign wealth fund GIC.


Other investors in the latest round include the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board and Quantum Energy Partners.
Existing investors include BMW, Daimler, Siemens and power company Exelon.

What they're saying: I chatted yesterday with CEO Pasquale Romano, who made the case that money from major institutional investors helps tell the story of where EVs are heading the market.
“These are big funds,” Romano says. “They may lean into an emerging technology, but they are not going to lean into a speculative technology.”
Romano emphasized how a number of automakers are readying to introduce new electric models.
The intrigue: I don't know how much of the $240 million is coming from Chevron Technology Ventures (ChargePoint didn't provide a breakdown).


But the involvement of the U.S.-based multinational oil giant at all is interesting. Thus far big European majors including Shell and BP have been getting into the EV charging space, but this marks Chevron's first foray.

The big picture: The California-based ChargePoint has a big share (https://link.axios.com/click/15239520.23958/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZW5lcmd5Lmdvdi9lZXJlL3ZlaGljbGVzL2 FydGljbGVzL2ZvdHctMTA1Mi1vY3RvYmVyLTIyLTIwMTgtZm91 ci1uZXR3b3Jrcy1tYWludGFpbi1vdmVyLTYwLTIyMzQzLWxldm VsLTItYW5kLWRjP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1f bWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2 F4aW9zZ2VuZXJhdGUmc3RyZWFtPXRvcA/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B8dd4420d) of the U.S. charging market and last year announced its expansion into Europe.


The company says it has over 57,000 independently owned public and semi-public charging spots, with customers spanning businesses, cities and more.
The latest funding round includes Daimler's truck and bus division, signaling how vehicle electrification is moving beyond passenger cars.

Go deeper: Romano has more to say in this interview (https://link.axios.com/click/15239520.23958/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZmFzdGNvbXBhbnkuY29tLzkwMjczMDA3L3 RoZS13b3JsZHMtbGFyZ2VzdC1uZXR3b3JrLW9mLWVsZWN0cmlj LXZlaGljbGUtY2hhcmdlcnMtanVzdC1yYWlzZWQtYW5vdGhlci 0yNDAtbWlsbGlvbj91dG1fc291cmNlPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRt X21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl 9heGlvc2dlbmVyYXRlJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Bb1e14507) with Fast Company.