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Fodla32
30-08-2011, 04:57 AM
During the 2oth century, the combination of Nationalism and Communism - as manifested in the ideas of Mao Zedung and Ho Chi Minh, and later adopted from Cuba to Angola, was the main weapon of resistance to imperialist domination.

For all their faults, the new nation states pushed back the European \ American hegemony, and gave cause for hope around the world. Often with concrete results, such as free health care and education for all.

After the fall of the USSR, the imperialists, particularly the Anglo-Saxons, saw the opportunity to restore the Ancien Régime. They had already been engaged in a vicious class war against the Working Classes of their own nations since the 1970s - managing to freeze wages in real terms, and smash the trade union movements.

By the end of the 1990s, they felt ready for the re-conquest of the East and of Africa. To do this, the nation state had to be smashed. First came Iraq. Certainly Saddam was a vicious dictator - but, life was stable, and Iraqis enjoyed a very high standard of living. All that has changed. Iraq is now a state of constant civil war, with no strength to oppose it's Anglo-Saxon masters. It's oil is sucked up for Anglo-Saxon profit. Divide and conquer is the rule - as it was in the 19th century.

Next came Afghanistan - a country known to possess massive natural resources. Again, it has been reduced to a pathetic, war torn dependency - completely unable to stand up to the dictates of it's Anglo-Saxon masters.

In Africa, the old dictators, who had long been friends to America and Europe, were now starting to get ideas of their own. The fact that they were independent national states allowed this "dangerous" thinking on their part. They started to deal with China - and even talk about dropping the dollar as the oil trading currency (a move that would expose the USA to the full reality of its crippling debts.) So, they had to be removed.

A fake "Arab Spring" was set in train. New regimes were to be put in place. Not only that, but the states themselves broken up into warring tribes - as in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia, once one of the most progressive nations in Europe - now a scattering of hopeless dependencies, lost in sectarian and ethnic conflicts.

Libya seems to have suffered the most. But then, it had the most to give the oil hungry vermin who rule Europe and America. It will now be used as a bridge head for the reconquest of Africa, and the total destruction of the nation state there.

C. Flower
30-08-2011, 06:35 AM
During the 2oth century, the combination of Nationalism and Communism - as manifested in the ideas of Mao Zedung and Ho Chi Minh, and later adopted from Cuba to Angola, was the main weapon of resistance to imperialist domination.

Hmm. The Russian Revolution was the single greatest blow against imperialism in the 20th century. But there were many great battles fought.


For all their faults, the new nation states pushed back the European \ American hegemony, and gave cause for hope around the world. Often with concrete results, such as free health care and education for all.

After the fall of the USSR, the imperialists, particularly the Anglo-Saxons, saw the opportunity to restore the Ancien Régime. They had already been engaged in a vicious class war against the Working Classes of their own nations since the 1970s - managing to freeze wages in real terms, and smash the trade union movements.

They were driven by the stagnation of capitalism, which created a crisis from the 70s and which imperialism responded to by globalisation, expansion of the paid workforce to include women, and a bubble of fictitious/ credit capital.


By the end of the 1990s, they felt ready for the re-conquest of the East and of Africa. To do this, the nation state had to be smashed. First came Iraq. Certainly Saddam was a vicious dictator - but, life was stable, and Iraqis enjoyed a very high standard of living. All that has changed. Iraq is now a state of constant civil war, with no strength to oppose it's Anglo-Saxon masters. It's oil is sucked up for Anglo-Saxon profit. Divide and conquer is the rule - as it was in the 19th century.

Divide and conquer, balkanisation, islamicism, all grist to the mill.


Next came Afghanistan - a country known to possess massive natural resources. Again, it has been reduced to a pathetic, war torn dependency - completely unable to stand up to the dictates of it's Anglo-Saxon masters.

A strategic place, with land borders to Iran, China, Pakistan, India and the former USSR states - and now a source of massive heroin trafficking.


In Africa, the old dictators, who had long been friends to America and Europe, were now starting to get ideas of their own. The fact that they were independent national states allowed this "dangerous" thinking on their part. They started to deal with China - and even talk about dropping the dollar as the oil trading currency (a move that would expose the USA to the full reality of its crippling debts.) So, they had to be removed.

A fake "Arab Spring" was set in train. New regimes were to be put in place. Not only that, but the states themselves broken up into warring tribes - as in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia, once one of the most progressive nations in Europe - now a scattering of hopeless dependencies, lost in sectarian and ethnic conflicts.

Far from this simple - the return to arab activism, and overthrow of a US backed hard man like Mubarak, is far from the original game plan of the US. The uprisings across North Africa were driven by economic desperation and the failure of capitalism to provide adequate food and housing, lack of employment for educated young people, and state oppression. The US has at every stage tried to turn this movement into "colour revolution" fakes and towards reactionary Islamic leaders, but this has not driven back the new generation of young progressives, who have now learned that they are in a long and serious struggle.


Libya seems to have suffered the most. But then, it had the most to give the oil hungry vermin who rule Europe and America. It will now be used as a bridge head for the reconquest of Africa, and the total destruction of the nation state there.

Powers estimation that Libya was the location for a "humanitarian" illegal regime change by NATO so far seems to have been born out. Obama, Cameron and NATO has obtained prestige and legitimisation of the illegal. States like Venezuela and South Africa are rightly perturbed. But the rebel forces are very mixed. Capitalism, and in particular finance capital is in an unprecedented crisis. The fat lady has very definitely not sung on this.

The biggest lack in all this has been a coherent mass socialist party with the aim and capacity to provide a replacement for capitalism/imperialism.

Holly
30-08-2011, 07:05 AM
During the 2oth century, the combination of Nationalism and Communism

I believe the Reds claim that Communism and Nationalism are mutually exclusive.


- as manifested in the ideas of Mao Zedung and Ho Chi Minh, and later adopted from Cuba to Angola, was the main weapon of resistance to imperialist domination.

Although the Cubans and Russians propped-up a corrupt Angolan dictatorship during a civil war, millions were killed and life-expectancy and infant mortality were about the worst in the world despite vast mineral and petroleum wealth being pocketed by the so-called socialist leaders in power.


For all their faults, the new nation states pushed back the European \ American hegemony

True.


and gave cause for hope around the world.

They did not provide hope even for their own people, never mind the world.


Often with concrete results, such as free health care and education for all.

Never happened.


... In Africa, the old dictators, who had long been friends to America and Europe, were now starting to get ideas of their own.

Robert Mugabe was never friendly towards the West or the people of Rhodesia.


So, they had to be removed.

Robert Mugabe is still the dictator of Rhodesia.
Etc. Etc.

Fodla32
30-08-2011, 08:42 AM
Rhodesia??? We seem to have some very reactionary elements about here...

TotalMayhem
30-08-2011, 08:45 AM
We seem to have some very reactionary elements about here...

You don't say. :D