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PaddyJoe
10-08-2011, 10:29 PM
Darcus Howe is a veteran West Indian writer and broadcaster who was interviewed live on the BBC yesterday about the riots. He was interrupted and spoken over by the interviewer who tried to imply that he was involved in the riots and then cut him off abruptly when he gave as good as he got.
Link to the interview below. Well worth a look.
‪London Riots. (The BBC will never replay this. Send it out)‬‏ - YouTube

Howe was a member of the British Black Panther Movement in the late sixties and was involved in protests which led to appearances in court in 1970 and a three month prison sentence. He has presented programmes for Channel 4 and writes for the New Statesman.
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcus_Howe

C. Flower
10-08-2011, 10:36 PM
Darcus Howe is a veteran West Indian writer and broadcaster who was interviewed live on the BBC yesterday about the riots. He was interrupted and spoken over by the interviewer who tried to imply that he was involved in the riots and then cut him off abruptly when he gave as good as he got.
Link to the interview below. Well worth a look.
‪London Riots. (The BBC will never replay this. Send it out)‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o)

Howe was a member of the British Black Panther Movement in the late sixties and was involved in protests which led to appearances in court in 1970 and a three month prison sentence. He has presented programmes for Channel 4 and writes for the New Statesman.
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcus_Howe

Someone posted this last night, but it's well worth a thread. I was very moved by the way he dug deep beyond appearances, recognising that somewhere, in there, the youth were insurrectionary, and was unphased and unafraid of the weasel words of the BBC and exposed their lies.

Griska
10-08-2011, 10:39 PM
Appalling.
The man was eloquent and relevant.

That presenter should be fired.
As Mr. Howe said, she showed him absolutely no respect.

Holly
10-08-2011, 11:54 PM
An apology was in order.

C. Flower
10-08-2011, 11:56 PM
She was feral...:D

Dr. FIVE
11-08-2011, 12:00 AM
He was on democracynow yesterday 14:00 mins in http://t.co/5vNsn0E

Kev Bar
11-08-2011, 12:12 AM
Absolutely.
Such snooty populism makes you long for the days of snooty erudition.

If she was in a satire, you would have said it was a bit OTT - too abject lackey like for the BBC.

The clip looked like it was going viral.

Hope the apology was en route despite that.

Although it is a minor comfort when compared the fact that the potential for such behaviour - very SKY/FOX - exists on a State broabcaster.

Kev Bar
11-08-2011, 12:12 AM
She was feral...:D

Throw her to the hoodies.

Dr. FIVE
11-08-2011, 12:14 AM
She should be apologising at the start of the main evening news.

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 12:20 AM
I appreciate what he said. And the other guy you posted, FIVE. It isn't just any old riot, it's as he said, part of an historical moment. They hit at their own surroundings, because it was the only way they could get attention and get listened to. They have no future and many of them no prospect of employment. They can see corruption and hypocrisy from the top to the bottom of the system. The appearance of petty criminality - opportunism - is also part of the reality, but it is not its essence. Darcus Howe showed what its essence was, the same as the movement elsewhere in the world.

Lapsedmethodist
11-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Darcus is a tit.


Darcus appeared on BBC news on Tuesday 9th August 2011, where he portrayed the riots as an "insurrection", comparing them with mass demonstrations in the Arab world and other regions. He also falsely, and with inflammatory bile, stated that police had shot Mark Duggan in the face and had "blown his head off". A post-mortem clearly showed that Duggan had actually died as a result of a single gunshot to the chest. When challenged by the host, he then describing himself as an old Caribbean "negro" At this point Howe was taken off air.


" An insurrection of the masses of the people " :D

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 12:42 AM
Darcus is a tit.



" An insurrection of the masses of the people " :D

That's odd. The BBC said he had two wounds.

Where is that quoted from ?

Kev Bar
11-08-2011, 01:06 AM
That's odd. The BBC said he had two wounds.

Where is that quoted from ?

"He was killed by a single gunshot wound to the chest, and received a second gunshot wound to his right bicep. He was pronounced dead at the scene at 6.41pm."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/mark-duggan-police-ipcc

Newsy
11-08-2011, 01:11 AM
The interviewer was exceptionally impatient, unprofessional and downright disrespectful.

It appeared to me that she wanted him to say one thing, but he wasn't having any of it.

At the end, she just cut him off.

A good training video, as how NOT to interview.

PaddyJoe
11-08-2011, 01:22 AM
Darcus is a tit.


Darcus appeared on BBC news on Tuesday 9th August 2011, where he portrayed the riots as an "insurrection", comparing them with mass demonstrations in the Arab world and other regions. He also falsely, and with inflammatory bile, stated that police had shot Mark Duggan in the face and had "blown his head off". A post-mortem clearly showed that Duggan had actually died as a result of a single gunshot to the chest. When challenged by the host, he then describing himself as an old Caribbean "negro" At this point Howe was taken off air.

" An insurrection of the masses of the people " :D
Hardly surprising that Howe got the details wrong as the preliminary ISPCC report only came out yesterday. From last Thursday there was a concerted police and media effort to obscure the actual facts of the incident. It was only on Sunday that the drip feed of the real circumstances of the shooting began to emerge.
It doesn't take away from the fact that the BBC interviewer had her own ready made interpretation of the events and certainly wasn't going to let some old West Indian guy who lives in Brixton spoil it.

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 01:26 AM
" An insurrection of the masses of the people " :D

Perish the thought....

Lapsedmethodist
11-08-2011, 01:34 AM
The interviewer was exceptionally impatient, unprofessional and downright disrespectful.

It appeared to me that she wanted him to say one thing, but he wasn't having any of it.

At the end, she just cut him off.

A good training video, as how NOT to interview.

Or a good training video of how NOT to allow a senile old **** preach inflamatory drivel while a large section of London was in flames.

So far, the insurrectionist masses have included social workers, teachers, forklift drivers and so on. Just greedy twats, not the masses.

PaddyJoe
11-08-2011, 01:46 AM
Or a good training video of how NOT to allow a senile old **** preach inflamatory drivel while a large section of London was in flames.

So far, the insurrectionist masses have included social workers, teachers, forklift drivers and so on. Just greedy twats, not the masses.

Nothing senile about Howe. That's why he was quick enough to ask the interviewer where she was in the early eighties when Thatcherite policies sparked the last major inner city riots. Sky, the BBC and a lot of the main stream media have a particular narrative and get very disturbed when it is challenged:D

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 09:24 AM
Nothing senile about Howe. That's why he was quick enough to ask the interviewer where she was in the early eighties when Thatcherite policies sparked the last major inner city riots. Sky, the BBC and a lot of the main stream media have a particular narrative and get very disturbed when it is challenged:D

It was asked in a very pointed way. Maybe he knew the answer?

Does anyone know who she is, by the way ?

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 10:39 AM
From a blog on Aljazeera. The blogger ends by calling on people to join the #riotscleanup - surely a very inadequate response to the situation she recognises?


The violence on the streets is being dismissed as "pure criminality", as the work of a "violent minority", as "opportunism". This is madly insufficient. It is no way to talk about viral civil unrest. Angry young people with nothing to do and little to lose are turning on their own communities, and they cannot be stopped, and they know it. Tonight, in one of the greatest cities in the world, society is ripping itself apart.

Violence is rarely mindless. The politics of a burning building, a smashed-in shop or a young man shot by police may be obscured even to those who lit the rags or fired the gun, but the politics are there. Unquestionably there is far, far more to these riots than the death of Mark Duggan, whose shooting sparked off the unrest on Saturday when two police cars were set alight after a five-hour vigil at Tottenham police station.

A peaceful protest over the death of a man at police hands, in a community where locals have been given every reason to mistrust the forces of law and order, is one sort of political statement. Raiding shops for technology and trainers that cost ten times as much as the benefits you're no longer entitled to is another. A co-ordinated, viral wave of civil unrest across the poorest boroughs of Britain, with young people coming from across the capital and the country to battle the police, is another.

Speculation

Months of conjecture will follow these riots. Already, the internet is teeming with racist vitriol and wild speculation. The truth is that very few people know why this is happening. They don't know, because they were not watching these communities. Nobody has been watching Tottenham since the television cameras drifted away after the Broadwater Farm riots of 1985.

Most of the people who will be writing, speaking and pontificating about the disorder this weekend have absolutely no idea what it is like to grow up in a community where there are no jobs, no space to live or move, and the police are on the streets stopping-and-searching you as you come home from school. The people who do will be waking up this week in the sure and certain knowledge that after decades of being ignored and marginalised and harassed by the police, after months of not seeing any conceivable hope of a better future confiscated, they are finally on the news.

In one NBC report, a young man in Tottenham was asked if rioting really achieved anything:

"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?

Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night, a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."

Eavesdropping from among the onlookers, I looked around. A dozen TV crews and newspaper reporters interviewing the young men everywhere.

There are communities all over the country that nobody paid attention to unless there had recently been a riot or a murdered child. Well, they're paying attention now.

Tonight in London, social order and the rule of law have broken down entirely. The city has been brought to a standstill; it is not safe to go out onto the streets, and where I am in Holloway, the violence is coming closer. As I write, the looting and arson attacks have spread to at least fifty different areas across the UK, including dozens in London, and communities are now turning on each other, with the Guardian reporting on rival gangs forming battle lines. It has become clear to the disenfranchised young people of Britain, who feel that they have no stake in society and nothing to lose, that they can do what they like tonight, and the police are utterly unable to stop them. That is what riots are all about.

Power

Riots are about power, and they are about catharsis. They are not about poor parenting, or youth services being cut, or any of the other snap explanations that media pundits have been trotting out. Structural inequalities, as a friend of mine remarked today, are not solved by a few pool tables.

People riot because it makes them feel powerful, even if only for a night. People riot because they have spent their whole lives being told that they are good for nothing, and they realise that together they can do anything - literally, anything at all. People to whom respect has never been shown riot because they feel they have little reason to show respect themselves, and it spreads like fire on a warm summer night. And now people have lost their homes, and the country is tearing itself apart.

No one expected this. The so-called leaders who have taken three solid days to return from their foreign holidays to a country in flames did not anticipate this. The people running Britain had absolutely no clue how desperate things had become. They thought that after thirty years of soaring inequality, in the middle of a recession, they could take away the last little things that gave people hope, the benefits, the jobs, the possibility of higher education, the support structures, and nothing would happen. They were wrong. And now my city is burning, and it will continue to burn until we stop the blanket condemnations and blind conjecture and try to understand just what has brought viral civil unrest to Britain. Let me give you a hint: it ain't Twitter.

I'm stuck in the house, now, with rioting going on just down the road in Chalk Farm. Ealing and Clapham and Dalston are being trashed. Journalists are being mugged and beaten in the streets, and the riot cops are in retreat where they have appeared at all. Police stations are being set alight all over the country.

This morning, as the smoke begins to clear, those of us who can sleep will wake up to a country in chaos. We will wake up to fear, and to racism, and to condemnation on left and right, none of which will stop this happening again, as the prospect of a second stock market crash teeters terrifyingly at the bottom of the news reports. Now is the time when we make our choices. Now is the time when we decide whether to descend into hate, or to put prejudice aside and work together. Now is the time when we decide what sort of country it is that we want to live in. Follow the #riotcleanup hashtag on Twitter. And take care of one another.

Andrew49
11-08-2011, 11:10 AM
She was feral...:D

Absolutely true.

Darcus was correct to remind the 'interviewer' that the spark for all the mayhem was the fact that a young man had his head completely blown off.

Words like his are, or should be, much more powerful/disturbing than the images the media use to push the 'law & order' agenda.

simonj
11-08-2011, 11:13 AM
Darcus Howe is a veteran West Indian writer and broadcaster who was interviewed live on the BBC yesterday about the riots. He was interrupted and spoken over by the interviewer who tried to imply that he was involved in the riots and then cut him off abruptly when he gave as good as he got.
Although she was way out of line with the implication, and I agree that he deserved an apology, as much as I admire and respect Darcus, when he gets going, the only way to get a word in edgeways is to interrupt, as the democracy now interviewer had to :p but if he is in a mood, be prepared to be berated

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 11:24 AM
Although she was way out of line with the implication, and I agree that he deserved an apology, as much as I admire and respect Darcus, when he gets going, the only way to get a word in edgeways is to interrupt, as the democracy now interviewer had to :p but if he is in a mood, be prepared to be berated

It wasn't so much that she interrupted, it was the content of the interruptions and the tone. It was her clear intent to smear and discredit him.

But I enjoyed the way that it was so patently clear that the Beeb "House Rule" was that no one was to be allowed to say anything which might in any way endorse the riots.

simonj
11-08-2011, 11:31 AM
It wasn't so much that she interrupted, it was the content of the interruptions and the tone. It was her clear intent to smear and discredit him.

Very true, but my comment should be taken in its tounge and cheek intention, the man is a character, a great man, but none the less he does tend to take off

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 11:33 AM
Very true, but my comment should be taken in its tounge and cheek intention, the man is a character, a great man, but none the less he does tend to take off

:) I have a memory which tells me you may well be right.

In any event, he completely wrong-footed her. It was good to see the Beeb balloon burst, just for once.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
11-08-2011, 12:01 PM
watching this at the moment http://www.channel4.com/programmes/white-tribe/4od#3020717. seems good. his driver got his car randomly stolen while filming and they decided to include it

if anyone can find a link to his documentary "son of mine" could you please post it? either on this thread or in a PM as circumstances permit ;)

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 12:03 PM
watching this at the moment http://www.channel4.com/programmes/white-tribe/4od#3020717. seems good. his driver got his car randomly stolen while filming and they decided to include it

if anyone can find a link to his documentary "son of mine" could you please post it? either on this thread or in a PM as circumstances permit ;)

Three 50 minute episodes of a documentary on the English, by Darcus Howe - "White Tribe".

Thanks. I'll watch that later.

It has a nudity warning, lol.:confused:

Andrew49
11-08-2011, 12:20 PM
Three 50 minute episodes of a documentary on the English, by Darcus Howe - "White Tribe".

Thanks. I'll watch that later.

It has a nudity warning, lol.:confused:

Might be a barefaced cheek ;)

Darcus Howe Trends (http://www.feeltiptop.com/DARCUS+HOWE/)

Buddha
11-08-2011, 12:57 PM
Or a good training video of how NOT to allow a senile old **** preach inflamatory drivel while a large section of London was in flames.

So far, the insurrectionist masses have included social workers, teachers, forklift drivers and so on. Just greedy twats, not the masses.

Jaysus.

PaddyJoe
11-08-2011, 03:53 PM
It was asked in a very pointed way. Maybe he knew the answer?

Does anyone know who she is, by the way ?

"Armstrong was born in Preston. As a child she lived for ten years in Nigeria, where her father was in the colonial service. She became Lady MacGregor of MacGregor when she married clan chief Sir Malcolm in 2005. She has a daughter from her first marriage.[1]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Armstrong

ruserious
11-08-2011, 03:59 PM
Does anyone thing all the problems are based on race?

Dr. FIVE
11-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Every one of them?

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 04:48 PM
Does anyone thing all the problems are based on race?

No. Not really. But it might suit some people to say that they are.

C. Flower
11-08-2011, 04:49 PM
Or a good training video of how NOT to allow a senile old **** preach inflamatory drivel while a large section of London was in flames.

So far, the insurrectionist masses have included social workers, teachers, forklift drivers and so on. Just greedy twats, not the masses.


Lapsed, if they hadn't, don't you know you would be saying that the insurrectionist masses are all ignorant and uneducated.

The insurrectionist masses just can win, with you.

Andrew49
11-08-2011, 04:52 PM
Does anyone think all the problems are based on race?

The race to the bottom!

simonj
11-08-2011, 04:53 PM
Poverty causes a breakdown in society, this leads to the breakdown of families, marginalization, crime and that leads to greed and violence that we saw.
We also saw how mixed the gangs were, basically chavs - and because of other factors in society ethnic groups can tend to be marginalized, they can have moved en masse to one area traditionally for work in an industry that no longer exists, people of the same religious group may want to live near to a certain temple etc.
Race is part of it, but this was a modern food riot, going for consumer outlets to steal the material stuff the adverts tell you that you need to be a better person, just like colleen and wayne, flatscreen TV, this brand of trainer etc etc.

simonj
11-08-2011, 04:54 PM
The race to the bottom!

very, very good

Frankie Lee
11-08-2011, 06:03 PM
watching this at the moment http://www.channel4.com/programmes/white-tribe/4od#3020717. seems good. his driver got his car randomly stolen while filming and they decided to include it

if anyone can find a link to his documentary "son of mine" could you please post it? either on this thread or in a PM as circumstances permit ;)

Just watching that there now, its a good documentary and he comes across a very decent man with a refreshing life view.

Justin Casey
11-08-2011, 09:05 PM
Darcus Howe gets the Chris Morris treatment in 1997:

Zeitgeist 1:00 1:37

Kev Bar
11-08-2011, 10:33 PM
Darcus Howe gets the Chris Morris treatment in 1997:

Zeitgeist 1:00 1:37 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uyvrvPTP24)

That's incredible - a perfect depiction of the reality. Incredibly prophetic: the man obviously knows a lot of what lurks in the BBC

boozwatch
11-08-2011, 11:33 PM
Hardly surprising that Howe got the details wrong as the preliminary ISPCC report only came out yesterday. From last Thursday there was a concerted police and media effort to obscure the actual facts of the incident. It was only on Sunday that the drip feed of the real circumstances of the shooting began to emerge.
It doesn't take away from the fact that the BBC interviewer had her own ready made interpretation of the events and certainly wasn't going to let some old West Indian guy who lives in Brixton spoil it.

Agree. The police initially issued a false statement about the shooting. Community workers advised the police to meet the family. A silent vigil with the family outside the police station turned angry after hours of a refusal by police to meet and discuss what had happened. A later report on the shooting announced a six month wait for an enquiry to report. The BBC has failed properly to report this catalyst for the original violence, or the part played by a reduction of community programmes in the area.

imo the question to Darcus Howe about being 'no stranger to rioting' was fed to the reporter through her earpiece - ie it came for the programmes senior minders, not just the reporter herself, and it was timed to deflect him from focusing the discussion on the wider issues, and in particular the long term effects of stop and search which has been documented to target ethnic minority groups dispropotionatley. The official line is its just badly behaved thugs. No policing failures, no discrimination, no reductions of community funding.

Buddha
12-08-2011, 07:34 PM
Or a good training video of how NOT to allow a senile old **** preach inflamatory drivel while a large section of London was in flames.

So far, the insurrectionist masses have included social workers, teachers, forklift drivers and so on. Just greedy twats, not the masses.

Ah come on, someone - forklift drivers? Where did that come from LM? Is it only me that thinks this is terribly.......funny. I mean, it just doesn't slip off the tongue, does it. "Oh yeah, we all know about them forklift drivers!!!

Sam Lord
12-08-2011, 08:25 PM
Darcus Howe is the nephew of my avatar....:)

Griska
12-08-2011, 08:28 PM
He was on Primetime last night.
Just caught the end, but the RTE people seemed to be a little more respectful then those across the water.
I like what I've seen of the man and think he is worth listening to.

Kev Bar
12-08-2011, 08:33 PM
Darcus Howe is the nephew of my avatar....:)

He's related to gaybo?

Lapsedmethodist
12-08-2011, 08:52 PM
Ah come on, someone - forklift drivers? Where did that come from LM? Is it only me that thinks this is terribly.......funny. I mean, it just doesn't slip off the tongue, does it. "Oh yeah, we all know about them forklift drivers!!!

Just means geezer with job really. A generic term for worker . What's wrong with driving a forklift ? I worked with Oxbridge dropouts who drove forklifts. :)

Kev Bar
12-08-2011, 08:57 PM
Just means geezer with job really. A generic term for worker . What's wrong with driving a forklift ? I worked with Oxbridge dropouts who drove forklifts. :)

I think i I just heard Michael Moore calling out yr name...seems he is inviting you over to RTE2