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PaddyJoe
06-08-2011, 09:15 PM
Still a bit sketchy so far but reports of cars being burned out. Major riots last occurred in Tottenham in 1985 after a Carribean woman died during a police search at her house. A Met policeman was killed in the subsequent rioting.

PaddyJoe
06-08-2011, 09:20 PM
Two patrol cars have been attacked after members of a community where a young man was shot dead by police took to the streets to demand "justice".
Dozens of protesters have gathered outside the police station on the High Road in Tottenham, north London.
It comes after a 29-year-old father-of-four, named locally as Mark Duggan, was shot dead by police on Thursday.

The Metropolitan Police said missiles were thrown at the cars, one was set alight and riot officers had been sent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14434318

PaddyJoe
06-08-2011, 09:32 PM
Pics:
http://twitpic.com/621s8c
http://twitpic.com/622262
http://yfrog.com/khc3twgj

C. Flower
06-08-2011, 09:38 PM
Last time around they sent an innocent man to jail for years, after trial by tabloid.

Griska
06-08-2011, 09:42 PM
‪The Clash- White Riot (with lyrics)‬‏ - YouTube

C. Flower
06-08-2011, 09:47 PM
Photos.

http://twipho.net/#Tottenham

"People, after police vans driving through crowds at speed are sensibly building barricades"

Captain Con O'Sullivan
06-08-2011, 09:48 PM
This is presumably linked to this Starrish Mark guy being shot the other day by an armed police unit?

Don't know if this is the same family but there are a family by the name of Duggan from North London who are fairly notorious underworld gangsters.

C. Flower
06-08-2011, 10:22 PM
Police appear to be flooding the area with Territorial Support Group (Riot cops) officers. #Tottenham

Reports of a mixed crowd, people supporting the protests.

Griska
06-08-2011, 10:28 PM
Reports of a mixed crowd, people supporting the protests.

People are very angry.
This could turn into a situation which is marginally about the guy who was shot.

Dr. FIVE
06-08-2011, 10:48 PM
Yeah Mark Duggan was shot by police (http://www.channel4.com/news/mp-calls-for-calm-after-north-london-street-shooting) Thursday. Tonight's business started as a protest outside the police station I think., seem a mixture of protest/ kids wrecking the place atm.

Not sure the background with Mark Duggan but he's the latest member of the black community killed by the MET this year. Things have been bubbling away all summer, plus smiley culture etc.

Frankie Lee
06-08-2011, 10:57 PM
It looks like proper rioting anyways.
‪The Clash - London's Burning‬‏ - YouTube

PaddyJoe
06-08-2011, 11:21 PM
Update report from the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/06/tottenham-riots-protesters-police?CMP=twt_gu

Griska
06-08-2011, 11:24 PM
Update report from the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/06/tottenham-riots-protesters-police?CMP=twt_gu


Teenagers, some as young as ten, we seen fleeing the street carrying TVs and stereos

Ten year old teenagers?
Strange things afoot alright;)

DCon
06-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Ten year old teenagers?
Strange things afoot alright;)

Better than those 36 year old teenagers

PaddyJoe
06-08-2011, 11:28 PM
Better than those 36 year old teenagers
Never let a good crisis go to waste:D

Kev Bar
06-08-2011, 11:33 PM
The supposed scene of that great quote: "That's bullman's blood."

PaddyJoe
06-08-2011, 11:34 PM
BBC 5 Live radio coverage here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_five_live

Kev Bar
06-08-2011, 11:41 PM
Bullman's Blood.

"Atavistic racial imagery lay close to the surface. According to statements taken by detectives, Silcott had brandished a machete, dripping with blood, and proclaimed to cheers: 'This is bullman's blood.' He had, they claimed, thrust a sword into the hands of a 13-year-old white boy, Jason Hill, and forced him, on pain of death, to slash Blakelock's prostrate form to 'make my mark' and then told him: 'You cool, man.' "http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/jan/18/ukcrime.race

Captain Con O'Sullivan
06-08-2011, 11:44 PM
I wouldn't go assuming this is any fight with Babylon. If this guy Duggan is from the same crew I think he is he's no political hero.

DCon
06-08-2011, 11:45 PM
Sky News covering the "distressing scenes" live.

DCon
06-08-2011, 11:57 PM
"sporadic pockets of violence" breaking out in surrounding areas

Dr. FIVE
07-08-2011, 12:00 AM
Possibly slightly related, regarding cuts to youth services

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2011/jul/31/haringey-youth-club-closures-video

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close

DCon
07-08-2011, 12:08 AM
from twitter


Debt. Riots in London. Tories. Pop trouncing rock. Strikes. This 80s nostalgia thing is really in full swing eh?

http://twitter.com/#!/search/london%20riots

DCon
07-08-2011, 12:11 AM
also from twitter

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/366295040.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1312676752&Signature=VurhOzcEyBU6lffVpB%2F%2FhLDQ5Tc%3D

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/366230843.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1312676833&Signature=Dtiz4ObRQK1jRziJBd4ogzW5Gd4%3D

Griska
07-08-2011, 12:12 AM
Sky News covering the "distressing scenes" live.

I can imagine.
"Violent minority", "peaceful protest hijacked by thugs", etc.

Ah Well
07-08-2011, 12:12 AM
I can imagine.
"Violent minority", "peaceful protest hijacked by thugs", etc.

Seemed to keep it offline until the witching hour in any event ...

DCon
07-08-2011, 12:13 AM
"sporadic pockets of violence" breaking out in surrounding areas

confirmed on twitter


our street full of smoke, infiltrating the house , ALDI opposite my house is on fire #tottenhamriots. moving to #EDMONTON

http://twitter.com/#!/ogunte

Dr. FIVE
07-08-2011, 12:15 AM
In fairness to Sky(gulp) at least they have got statements from people other then the police, unlike the beeb.

DCon
07-08-2011, 12:16 AM
In fairness to Sky(gulp) at least they have got statements from people other then the police, unlike the beeb.

twitter is proving again to be the best source

Dr. FIVE
07-08-2011, 12:19 AM
always

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 12:37 AM
always
Especially when like me you're up the mountains in 4 channel land. What is this bskybbc the learned and wise amongst you talk of?:D:o

Griska
07-08-2011, 12:53 AM
Camera crews have been moved.
I'd wager the polis are going in to knock heads.

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 01:18 AM
Eye-witness reporting:
http://twitter.com/#!/rickin_majithia (http://twitter.com/#!/rickin_majithia)

Mail on Sunday photographers beaten and mugged by masked thugs (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023254/Tottenham-riots-Double-decker-bus-set-ablaze-mob-violence-hits-London.html)
Tut, tut.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 01:36 AM
Eye-witness reporting:
http://twitter.com/#!/rickin_majithia (http://twitter.com/#%21/rickin_majithia)

Mail on Sunday photographers beaten and mugged by masked thugs (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023254/Tottenham-riots-Double-decker-bus-set-ablaze-mob-violence-hits-London.html)
Tut, tut.

There were also reports that youths had stormed McDonald’s and had started frying their own burgers and chips.

As you do in the middle of a riot:D:rolleyes:

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 01:48 AM
There were also reports that youths had stormed McDonald’s and had started frying their own burgers and chips.

The Work Trial is a two-way process that allows you to trial the Crew Member role, while both you and the company find out if a job at McDonald's is the right place for you.
mcdonalds.co.uk (http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/people/join-the-team/work-trials/work-trials.shtml)

:)

Kev Bar
07-08-2011, 01:52 AM
twitter is proving again to be the best source

Great analysis too - with the 80s nostalgia.

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 01:59 AM
Pix (http://bit.ly/nAauuG)

BBC satellite van smashed up, allegedly.

Base ordering us to leave for safety reasons. BBC crews report from every hot zone in the world but parts of our own city deemed 2 dangerous
http://twitter.com/#!/rickin_majithia

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 02:07 AM
Getting worse as the night goes on. Reports of fires and looting spreading to Wood Green.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 02:14 AM
Frantic live London radio now:
http://ukrp.musicradio.com/lbc973/live

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 02:19 AM
Frantic live London radio now:
http://ukrp.musicradio.com/lbc973/live

Just ran a recruitment ad for the Met. :D

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 02:27 AM
Just ran a recruitment ad for the Met. :D
That's brilliant:D
Jesus, I thought Joe Duffy was bad....this stuff is loopy..

Sam Lord
07-08-2011, 02:32 AM
Lots of fires by the sound of it.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 02:39 AM
Reports that Tottenham Hale retail park is being looted. Even with a grain of salt on the sensationalist reporting it does look chaotic. Wood Green and T. Hale are a couple of miles away from the main event so there is opportunist looting going on.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 02:53 AM
A short commentary on BBC crisis handling techniques:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T72TopWbXJg&feature=youtu.be

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Hah- thats funny about the McDonalds. Would you like a TV set with your burger?

Andrew49
07-08-2011, 09:35 AM
Seems Mark Duggan died in an exchange of fire with police! Apparently it was a pre-planned arrest ..... nobody seems to be saying who was the intended .... target ... for arrest. A non-police-issue handgun was found at the scene too.

"Shots were fired and a 29-year-old man, who was a passenger in the cab, died at the scene," said the spokesman. Photographic and forensic examination was continuing, and a search for CCTV footage was continuing, the spokesman said. A postmortem examination would be carried out as soon as possible.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 10:06 AM
Reports here are that he was in a cab which was stopped by Operation Trident cops- Duggan drew a weapon and shot at a police officer hitting his radio (bullet recovered lodged in the radio apparently) and the cops returned fire killing him. Three shots apparently, Duggan first and the cops fired two shots to kill him.

Unregistered weapon recovered. Can't see what the beef is if thats what happened- always an 'if' where the cops are concerned but I think there are witnesses including the taxi driver.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 10:21 AM
Its just the indignados of the Broadwater Farm reacting to one of their Elders (ie gang leaders) being killed. There's no suggestion of any story other than the one about the Trident lot stopping his cab to make an arrest.

Sounds to me like they knew he was carrying a gun and decided to bust him for that and stopping a surrounding a car when he's not on the estate is fairly logical. If he did fire at cops well they were within their rights to open fire.

Two or three hundred Yoof off the Broadwater kicking off and burning cars/looting on pretty much their own turf isn't going to bother the state. Its a real sh1thole area, high unemployment, the usual culture. If it rains that'll be the end of that. Seems all quiet this morning.

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 10:23 AM
Its just the indignados of the Broadwater Farm reacting to one of their Elders (ie gang leaders) being killed. There's no suggestion of any story other than the one about the Trident lot stopping his cab to make an arrest.

Sounds to me like they knew he was carrying a gun and decided to bust him for that and stopping a surrounding a car when he's not on the estate is fairly logical. If he did fire at cops well they were within their rights to open fire.

Two or three hundred Yoof off the Broadwater kicking off and burning cars/looting on pretty much their own turf isn't going to bother the state. Its a real sh1thole area, high unemployment, the usual culture. If it rains that'll be the end of that. Seems all quiet this morning.

Someone just tweeted that their grandmother was killed by the police in her home 25 years ago, and that started the Broadwater Farm riot - but says nothing has changed since,

Andrew49
07-08-2011, 10:42 AM
Someone just tweeted that their grandmother was killed by the police in her home 25 years ago, and that started the Broadwater Farm riot - but says nothing has changed since,

Cynthia Jarrett died during a search of her home - of a heart attack. Actually the police burst into her home causing the heart failure. Depending on which news source you read PC Blakelock was stabbed to death or hacked to death. Cynthia Jarrett's family did condemn the riots. The Broadwater riots come just a week after violence erupted in Brixton, south London following the accidental shooting of Cherry Groce ....

Some communities felt they were under siege during the Thatcher era ... some reacted politically, others exploited the situation. By the end of the Thatcher era the 'underclass' in England was much larger ..... and I'm not even sure if 'New Labour' changed anything.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 11:33 AM
Its just the indignados of the Broadwater Farm reacting to one of their Elders (ie gang leaders) being killed. There's no suggestion of any story other than the one about the Trident lot stopping his cab to make an arrest.

Sounds to me like they knew he was carrying a gun and decided to bust him for that and stopping a surrounding a car when he's not on the estate is fairly logical. If he did fire at cops well they were within their rights to open fire.

Two or three hundred Yoof off the Broadwater kicking off and burning cars/looting on pretty much their own turf isn't going to bother the state. Its a real sh1thole area, high unemployment, the usual culture. If it rains that'll be the end of that. Seems all quiet this morning.

I was watching bbc coverage for about an hour or so there and one guy who owns a shop on some street (High Street?) was saying that he and his family were out telling people not to loot/burn down their stuff. He said everyone was really amiable and left his shop completely alone, but that every other one on the street got windows smashed or looted :)

Same guy was saying it wasnt just young folks but that everyone was out, everyone was angry. That although he didn't know what they were angry about, that such hunger for looting must mean "serious social breakdown, US style". A very upper class sounding journalist who lives in Tottenham was next interviewed and he said the same, that although there were a few young people out wearing masks/balaclavas, that it was people of all ages on the street and most weren't dressed up specially for the occasion.

A good bit before either of them were interviewed the presenter was saying that there were reports that the "peaceful" demonstration turned "violent" when police hit a woman and the crowd got angry and started smashing up their cars.

That black labour MP who's come to the fore as the "spokesman of the community" is really grating. The good news is that he and the other MP the bbc interviewed were being heckled by locals shouting stuff about "justice, justice", and when she said "we need X" someone shouted "we need a riot is what we need", or something along those lines :)

Tonight should be interesting...

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 11:45 AM
However, there are conflicting reports about the shooting. A 20-year-old witness, who works nearby but did not want to be named, said: "I was coming home from work when I saw it all happening in front of my eyes.

"I came around the corner and saw about six unmarked police cars cornering a people carrier near a bus stop.

"I heard the police shout something like 'Don't move' and I saw them drag the driver out of the car. I don't know if they dragged the other guy out in the passenger seat. He was the one who got shot - the passenger.

"About three or four police officers had both men pinned on the ground at gunpoint. They were really big guns and then I heard four loud shots. The police shot him on the floor."
Evening Standard (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23975846-man-shot-dead-by-police-in-tottenham.do)

Sounds a bit Jean Charles de Menezes-ish.

Meanwhile, there's a claim that the riot was sparked by police beating 16-year-old girl protester.

Eye-witness account

Naturally, the Torygraph readers' comments are as rewarding as ever:
You see these chippy small-time blacks every day in inner London - with their swagger, their hoodies, their ridiculous urban patois and their permanent scowl.
They should all be put in work camps for re-education.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 12:06 PM
Guys- FFS. Duggan was no innocent Jean Charles de Menezes and I'm aware that this sort of stuff excites the war on Babylon and right on brother instincts of some on the left but that crew are Broadwater drug dealers and nasty with it. This isn't political but yardie crap. Some of the stuff speculatively trotted out here is worse than FF's RTE rubbish.

Fugee
07-08-2011, 12:09 PM
They should all be put in work camps for re-education.

Not a bad idea, certain areas of London have been destroyed by certain ethnic groups.

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 12:16 PM
Not a bad idea, certain areas of London have been destroyed by certain ethnic groups.

You're gonna love this (http://lockerz.com/s/127443682)! :D

Fugee
07-08-2011, 12:19 PM
You're gonna love this (http://lockerz.com/s/127443682)! :D

I lived in London years ago, and last year returned to my old area. Its been destroyed. The UK should clamp down on what being done to their country.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 12:24 PM
Going to have to persuade the CBI first that they should stop lobbying to have cheap labour imported, with the excess going on the social welfare system.

Which means the notion of Turkey acceding to the EU knocked on the head for starters. One of the biggest promoters of importing an underclass are the cheap labour industries like the fruitpicking combines in California, the restaurant n'takeaway trade in the UK and in Ireland.

Cheap labour with no questions asked about papers is something certain businesses like in all western countries.

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 12:25 PM
I lived in London years ago, and last year returned to my old area. Its been destroyed. The UK should clamp down on what being done to their country.

Agreed. All it takes is a few mindless thugs to ruin it for everybody.

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/cameron-bullingdon-club.jpg

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 12:34 PM
Agreed. All it takes is a few mindless thugs to ruin it for everybody.

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/cameron-bullingdon-club.jpg

Agreed. These people have been cutting services all over London, shutting down youth services and community centres.

They seem also to have cut back on fire services, as they seem to have been very slow to put anything out.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Some context. From 27th July...

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close?cat=uk&type=article


"When we are all together with our hoodies up, no one wants to be around us," he said. "The youth club was just a place we could all go and have fun, at least we had somewhere to go. Now we walk down the streets, we get pulled over by police. There is nothing here for us."
Aaron is one of hundreds of youngsters in the north London borough of Haringey whose youth clubs were shut after the youth services budget was slashed by 75% after a cut of £41m to the council's overall budget. Hundreds of thousands of young people throughout the UK are affected.
Gang experts, MPs and sector workers are warning that these cuts – which have hit youth services harder than any other area of local authority spending, according to the education select committee – could have a serious impact on the safety of young people in urban areas.


.... If we have a hot summer holiday expect front pages, because kids are going to die."
Others worry that a perfect storm of unemployment, the withdrawal of the Education Maintenance Allowance and a squeeze on programmes to help disadvantaged youths could bring more than just a rise in crime figures and result in a "lost generation".
"The young people in Tottenham, they are not so much a community within a community, they are a community beyond the community, with their own rules, their own codes, their own hierarchy,"....

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Some context. From 27th July...

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close?cat=uk&type=article

Video of Haringey youth, on the cuts, here...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2011/jul/31/haringey-youth-club-closures-video?CMP=twt_gu

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 01:58 PM
Video of Haringey youth, on the cuts, here...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2011/jul/31/haringey-youth-club-closures-video?CMP=twt_gu

Could they take over the close youth centres ? Occupy and run them ?

Frankie Lee
07-08-2011, 02:25 PM
I see the police on the beeb are complaining about dangerous speculation on social networking sites, time to shut down the internet?

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 02:43 PM
I see the police on the beeb are complaining about dangerous speculation on social networking sites, time to shut down the internet?

Maybe they're referring to this (http://twitpic.com/62cx1a/full). :)

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 03:38 PM
Maybe the internet should shut down the police. The amount of whinging out of police in various countries mainly because film can be uploaded of them breaking the law is pissing them off.

On that note some Lulz outliers hacked Sheriff's Departments in the US over the weekend and nicked a load of credit card details and so on in retaliation for arresting hackers.

Heh.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 03:40 PM
Maybe they're referring to this (http://twitpic.com/62cx1a/full). :)
I think a couple of those specimens were ringing local London radio last night:eek::D

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 03:57 PM
I think a couple of those specimens were ringing local London radio last night:eek::D

Yeah, that mockney geezah was a piece of work. :D

3.02pm: The girl who reportedly was involved in causing the violence between police and protesters may have thrown a stone at police.

Laurence Bailey "holed up in a church 10 metres away from the Tottenham riot". He told the Guardian that he saw the girl "throw some card and something else, maybe a stone, at the original riot police line".

Bailey said the girl was then "pounded by 15 riot shields". He said that the police "launched into her with startling force using both batons and shields. She went down on the floor but once she managed to get up she was hit again before being half-dragged away by her friend."

He added: "After she was removed there were a few minutes of peace and then lots of glass bottles started being thrown, we could hear them."

Bailey had been attending an event at the church, which he said is opposite the police station in Tottenham.

"I have never been so scared and intrigued," he said. "On the way out we were mere streets away from the mass fire, it was like 25 meters high and seemed to be like a mile wide."

Tottenham riots - live reaction (http://www.globalenvision.org/aggregator/sources/77)

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 04:38 PM
Shop owners along Wood Green, Turnpike Lane and Green Lanes, the majority of which are of Kurdish or Turkish owned have formed local protection units following riots in Tottenham which have spilled over to Wood Green.

"We do not have any trust in the local police, our shops are next on the target list by the thugs who have ransacked Tottenham, we will protect our property", said a leading member of the Green Lanes "unit".

Shop owners have been seen by London Daily News reporters carrying crow bars, and other objects in case of attacks.

Groups of Turkish/Kurdish shop owners were meeting on street corners in Green Lanes this morning planning what would be the best course of action if rioters were to target their shops.

Intelligence from local groups in Wood Green and Tottenham are indicating that more violence is expected on Sunday in Tottenham and Wood Green with Brixton now likely to see the next flashpoints.
Police lose control of streets shop owners form local "protection units" (http://www.thelondondailynews.com/police-lose-control-streets-shop-owners-form-local-protection-units-p-5381.html)

Brixton Splash (http://www.brixtonsplash.org/) is happening today.

A major investigation team has been launched by the Met following the disorder in Tottenham last night - the investigation is codenamed Operation Withern.

The team is being led by Detective Superintendent John Sweeney, and is made up of detectives from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, specialist investigators from the Public Order Branch and police support staff.

The team is currently dealing with the 48 people who were arrested during the course of the disorder.

Officers are in the process of reviewing hours of CCTV and taking witness statements. There is a primary crime scene that runs from Monument Way to Lansdowne Road. Detectives are on the scene scoping out the number of buildings and businesses broken into and damaged. This will take some time, and we cannot currently estimate how long.

Forensic examiners will slowly and painstakingly work their way through this crime scene seeking to retrieve as much evidence as possible. We thank the local community for their continued patience and apologise for the inconvience caused, but processing this crime scene properly is of the utmost importance to our investigation.

We are aware of various reports on social media networks of further disorder being planned and any intelligence will be assessed and actioned. A policing operation is in place across London and local officers are on the streets in Tottenham.
Operation Withern launched re. Tottenham disorder (http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/Bur07/page02.htm)

Paul Deller from the Metropolitan Police Federation said: "Morale among the police officers dealing with this incident, and within the Police Service as a whole, is at its lowest level ever due to the constant attacks on them by the home secretary and the government in the form of the Winsor and Hutton reviews into police pay and conditions.
Tottenham riots - live reaction (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live)

Life just isn't the same in the Met without Murdoch's "contributions".

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 04:58 PM
There´s a very relevant piece here that was written in 2005 by a guy who was a youth leader on the Farm in 1985:

Twenty years ago I was employed as a youth worker on the Broadwater Farm estate in Tottenham, north London, when it erupted over the death of Cynthia Jarrett during a police raid. I was labelled a black community leader by the press as I spoke in defence of the community supporting their right to defend themselves from attack by racist police officers.As a result I was arrested three times during the Farm investigations, twice on the grounds that I was involved in the murder of PC Keith Blakelock during the disturbances. Like the majority of those arrested, I was never charged and I successfully sued the police for their unlawful and unwarranted behaviour.
In March 1987, the day after the Tottenham Three had been convicted of the murder of PC Blakelock, I wrote in these pages that white Britain was allowing three innocent men to be imprisoned because it needed scapegoats for the events of that night, and that it had allowed the Met to pursue a campaign of revenge against the Broadwater Farm community, rather than an investigation to identify the guilty few.
Now, on the 20th anniversary of the disturbances, I wonder whether things have really improved for black people since then. I am not sure that they have. Trevor Phillips, chair of the Commission for Racial Equality, recently likened black and ethnic-minority communities in Britain to those in America's deep south, "marooned outside the mainstream" of society.
That certainly applies to the majority of the young black people I meet on the "Farm". For those who have been unable to escape since 1985, almost nothing has changed. While outwardly Broadwater Farm may look different, the £33m spent on its refurbishment has improved only its physical appearance. For most young black people there the issues are exactly the same as they have always been.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/oct/07/ukcrime.race

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 05:01 PM
The police seem to be making little or no attempt at protecting shops. The same force had a very different reaction when Fortnum and Masons was occupied.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 05:23 PM
Tense in Brixton this evening as a summer festival ends.
http://yfrog.com/h73epqmj

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 05:42 PM
Good links justin and paddy.

The racial split between local petite bourgeoise and rioters is interesting... The shopkeeper guy who's interview the bbc keep manipulating said he was somalian i think.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 06:08 PM
Enfield in the last half hour:
http://yfrog.com/z/kj67zltj
http://yfrog.com/kf4rlauj
http://yfrog.com/h2c8mzymj
http://yfrog.com/gz184goj

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 06:18 PM
Yep


http://twitter.com/#!/Tarahwelsh


Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Riot police still everywhere in Enfield. Can't see any rioters at the mo but mum's been out and says still big groups roaming.
7 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
For everyone asking, I am a real reporter. I work for the BBC in Lincs but I'm from London so visiting family.
13 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
@
@DaveHill I can see 15 riot vans so far, police have cordoned off high rd, most residents stuck in homes.
26 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Police car wrecked in Enfield - most rioters looked under 16, lots of young girls throwing concrete slabs through shop windows.
29 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Riot police have arrived but looks like all rioters have got away- way too late although this has been in the cards yfrog.com/gz184goj
33 minutes ago


Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Police running away from rioters in Enfield. Terrifying. yfrog.com/kirejuyj yfrog.com/h8jsicvj
38 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Terrified families, shops being looted, no police in sight- #enfield #riots
48 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
It's started in Enfield- concrete slabs being chucked through shop windows.
50 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Loads of teenagers covering their faces, just told me if I take a pic they're coming up to my house, quite scary.

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 06:28 PM
Yep


http://twitter.com/#!/Tarahwelsh (http://twitter.com/#%21/Tarahwelsh)


Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Riot police still everywhere in Enfield. Can't see any rioters at the mo but mum's been out and says still big groups roaming.
7 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
For everyone asking, I am a real reporter. I work for the BBC in Lincs but I'm from London so visiting family.
13 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
@
@DaveHill I can see 15 riot vans so far, police have cordoned off high rd, most residents stuck in homes.
26 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Police car wrecked in Enfield - most rioters looked under 16, lots of young girls throwing concrete slabs through shop windows.
29 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Riot police have arrived but looks like all rioters have got away- way too late although this has been in the cards yfrog.com/gz184goj
33 minutes ago


Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Police running away from rioters in Enfield. Terrifying. yfrog.com/kirejuyj yfrog.com/h8jsicvj
38 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Terrified families, shops being looted, no police in sight- #enfield #riots
48 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
It's started in Enfield- concrete slabs being chucked through shop windows.
50 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Loads of teenagers covering their faces, just told me if I take a pic they're coming up to my house, quite scary.

Interesting night coming up:eek:

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 06:31 PM
Its the slum version of keeping up with the joneses. Postcode Yoof trying to outdo each other and hopefully nick a new telly as well.

Looking forward to the stories of poetry about it through from Ireland;)

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 06:37 PM
‪16 YEAROLD OLD GIRL ATTACKED BY TOTTENHAM RIOT POLICE!‬‏ - YouTube

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Puts it in perspective a bit Captain, no?

And its not like PCworld offers anything to the "youf" on any other occasion than last night is it? More power to them and I hope they like their PCs/mobile phones/new glasses (apparently specsavers got looted :))

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 06:39 PM
Its the slum version of keeping up with the joneses.

Nah mate, it's trickle-down economics at its finest. :)

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 06:41 PM
Nah mate, it's trickle-down economics at its finest. :)

RT is reporting that gangs have suspended all inter-gang hostilties to concentrate on the common enemy.

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 06:45 PM
‪16 YEAROLD OLD GIRL ATTACKED BY TOTTENHAM RIOT POLICE!‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9qZVsMQP8&feature=player_embedded)

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Puts it in perspective a bit Captain, no?

And its not like PCworld offers anything to the "youf" on any other occasion than last night is it? More power to them and I hope they like their PCs/mobile phones/new glasses (apparently specsavers got looted :))

Someone here says the baton attack on this girl, who he says approached the police lines, was what started the whole thing off.

‪Back up of eyewitness account of police starting the Tottenham riot 6 august 2011‬‏ - YouTube

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 06:45 PM
*low whistle*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live
7.35pm: Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers. It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 06:49 PM
The Met uses dum dum bullets ???

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 06:51 PM
*low whistle*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live
7.35pm: Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers. It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.
Looks like the only shots fired were from the Met:rolleyes:

Justin Casey
07-08-2011, 06:54 PM
*low whistle*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live
7.35pm: Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers. It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

Blimey!

Interesting Twitter feed:
http://twitter.com/#!/journodave (http://twitter.com/#!/journodave)

Unconfirmed Tweet:
"Looters in Enfield Town bombarding riot police with union-jack cushions looted from PastTimes Shop" :D

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 06:55 PM
Jesus ... if it turns out the Met were bullshyting over an exchange of fire things could get very interesting...

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 06:56 PM
Blimey!

Interesting Twitter feed:
http://twitter.com/#!/journodave (http://twitter.com/#!/journodave)

Unconfirmed Tweet:
"Looters in Enfield Town bombarding riot police with union-jack cushions looted from PastTimes Shop" :D

That must have hurt....

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 06:57 PM
Jesus ... if it turns out the Met were bullshyting over an exchange of fire things could get very interesting...

I watched Mark Duggan's brother give a statement to Sky News. They are clearly a decent family in deep shock that he was killed.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 07:01 PM
Nah mate, it's trickle-down economics at its finest. :)

Nope. Some of the crap hanging around those areas would be crap if you gave them Hawaii to live in.

Sorry lads but these Postcoders aren't readers of Desmoulins. This could get very nasty though if it turns out the cops have lied and the story on Mark Duggan being shot changes.

Even if he did pull a gun and didn't shoot I'd still say they were right to open fire but if it turns out there's some doubt about the weapon or the taxi driver says he was executed then its hold on to the hats time.

Duggan was scruff- there's no doubt about that but if the Trident police went over the top and pulled a story for the IPCC and it comes out then we're in for an interesting few nights.

Seán Ryan
07-08-2011, 07:08 PM
This is apparently what kicked off the riot. Not a great video, but it shows the police beating that 16 year old girl. Doubtless other and better videos will become available as time progresses. There's a valuable lesson in here for the police and our own mushroomed variety, though I doubt they're smart enough to see it or heed it:

There are more of us than you!

‪16 YEAROLD OLD GIRL ATTACKED BY TOTTENHAM RIOT POLICE!‬‏ - YouTube

Griska
07-08-2011, 07:34 PM
RT is reporting that gangs have suspended all inter-gang hostilties to concentrate on the common enemy.

The Popular People's Front of Judea?

Griska
07-08-2011, 07:37 PM
Yep


http://twitter.com/#!/Tarahwelsh


Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Riot police still everywhere in Enfield. Can't see any rioters at the mo but mum's been out and says still big groups roaming.
7 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
For everyone asking, I am a real reporter. I work for the BBC in Lincs but I'm from London so visiting family.
13 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
@
@DaveHill I can see 15 riot vans so far, police have cordoned off high rd, most residents stuck in homes.
26 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Police car wrecked in Enfield - most rioters looked under 16, lots of young girls throwing concrete slabs through shop windows.
29 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Riot police have arrived but looks like all rioters have got away- way too late although this has been in the cards yfrog.com/gz184goj
33 minutes ago


Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Police running away from rioters in Enfield. Terrifying. yfrog.com/kirejuyj yfrog.com/h8jsicvj
38 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Terrified families, shops being looted, no police in sight- #enfield #riots
48 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
It's started in Enfield- concrete slabs being chucked through shop windows.
50 minutes ago

Tarahwelsh Tarah Welsh
Loads of teenagers covering their faces, just told me if I take a pic they're coming up to my house, quite scary.

Enfield tonight then.
I hope the Wheat Sheaf survives.
I have a friend in Enfield who just sent a text saying that petrol is far too expensive currently to be throwing Molotovs.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 07:51 PM
Jewellery store got robbed, police came with dogs apparently.

http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis

Griska
07-08-2011, 07:53 PM
Jewellery store got robbed, police came with dogs apparently.

http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis

There's a Sony shop in Enfield:eek:

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 07:54 PM
To the barricades comrades ... and synchronise your Rolexes.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 07:56 PM
To the barricades comrades ... and synchronise your Rolexes.

:D

Griska
07-08-2011, 08:02 PM
To the barricades comrades ... and synchronise your Rolexes.

Captain, it's happening on your manor.
Would you not take a spin up and be our "man on the spot"?

Griska
07-08-2011, 08:04 PM
...
blackblocLdn Black Bloc
@
@SteveRight2 you're obviously a cop, show your face you pig
2 minutes ago


blackblocLdn Black Bloc
I am getting loads of abuse on here., which is fecking hilarious
3 minutes ago
»

blackblocLdn Black Bloc
Time to rise up #tottenham gangs set your differences aside. We have a common enemy
13 minutes ago

PaulLewis Paul Lewis
by blackblocLdn
Sustained and chaotic baton charges by police with dogs. Around 20 dog handlers. #Enfield

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 08:13 PM
Captain, it's happening on your manor.
Would you not take a spin up and be our "man on the spot"?

Oh yeah- which postcode gang would you like me to join:) This isn't political. I think it has more to do with postcode gangs flexing the ability to cause enough trouble to do some looting.

Griska
07-08-2011, 08:14 PM
Oh, this is interesting.
The initial report on the bullet that struck the police radio during the incident in which Mark Duggan was killed, suggests it came from a police firearm!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live#block-44#block-44

Captain Con O'Sullivan
07-08-2011, 08:28 PM
There's all sorts of reports including a witness who claims four shots were fired. There does seem to have been an unregistered gun recovered at the scene.. doesn't matter if this Duggan chap fired or not- its enough to wave a gun around at armed police to get you killed.

Having said that if the cops have told lies about what happened and start doing funny stuff like reporting that CCVT wasn't working or any of the crap that was pulled around the Menezes killing then things will get worse.

Its too early to be guessing but I suspect from the reports I've read that the real trouble broke out when a 16 year old girl was batoned by some muppets in uniform. If thats the case then they should be done for causing an affray.

I don't hold out much chance of that because the Met are pretty low on the sh1theap of credibility these days.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 08:57 PM
anyone have a link to sky news or bbc 24 streaming? in ireland atm unfortunately and cant find one through my own efforts :(

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 09:06 PM
anyone have a link to sky news or bbc 24 streaming? in ireland atm unfortunately and cant find one through my own efforts :(

No, but I can take a look at Sky.

This is Brixton, via twitter.

http://c0013899.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_799d638

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 09:12 PM
anyone have a link to sky news or bbc 24 streaming? in ireland atm unfortunately and cant find one through my own efforts :(

This works for me:
http://news.sky.com/home/liveplus

Fing Fers
07-08-2011, 09:23 PM
We may all get used to this, I can see more of this down the road. Folks looking for any excuse to run a muck. Governments keep putting a squeeze on us all, anger builds, only one way to let it out.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 09:25 PM
This works for me:
http://news.sky.com/home/liveplus

Well that was a waste of time looking to get it from a streaming website ;)

Cheers!

Griska
07-08-2011, 09:27 PM
aaronjohnpeters Aaron Peters
the muppet on @skynews just said 'anarchists' in #enfield - what basis is there for saying that? Were they stealing copies of Chomksy?
20 minutes ago:D

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 09:33 PM
PaulLewis Paul Lewis
#Enfield Tesco Extra store has been looted. Workers tell me looters stormed in, stealing TVs and alcohol. Two people in cuffs.

If there's drink flowing there's no reason to stop any time soon :)

Apparently there's been a couple of groups isolated and contained by police. One of them 25 strong. Presumably they'l be arrested and then later done for being caught somewhere they shouldn't be by cctv?

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 09:53 PM
Catch Paul Lewis on bbc5live now!

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 09:57 PM
Sky showing a lot of police dogs and a few people running about in Enfield.

DCon
07-08-2011, 09:59 PM
Is there a technical difference between "looting" and "stealing"?

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 10:10 PM
BBC Five Live radio has good coverage for those of us with slow broadband:;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 10:10 PM
Paul Lewis came across a 17 year old who got stabbed, waited around for the police to come. The kid had 4 or 5 friends there too:

PaulLewis Paul Lewis
#Stabbing victims friends refusing to cooperate with police. "Why do u think everything's going on? Because we ******* hate you."
5 minutes ago

5intheface
07-08-2011, 10:22 PM
Is there a technical difference between "looting" and "stealing"?

“If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualise world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started”

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 10:37 PM
Seems to be spreading and increasing along the way. Paul Lewis saying its "orchestrated", that kids telling him that there's been a plan to meet as some park at 12 for ages. A friend of mine earlier said that it was gangs of "militarised" kids who all knew each other going around in semi-organised groups.

Best twitter feeds atm

http://twitter.com/#!/billykenber
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis
http://twitter.com/#!/BenParfitt
http://twitter.com/#!/muskhalili

http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Enfield

Can anyone else think of parallels to other times/places? Like you hear of looting happening in lots of places where order breaks down - it becomes impossible to police effectively for whatever reason - but the feeling of this, albeit at a remove, is much more like what happened in the student riots before christmas, where you get roving bands moving and hitting targets where possible, but completely decentred, not tied to any particular place which the rioters are associated with as a community. I'd imagine that as opposed to last night, or the riots that happened in the 80s, its definitely not something being done across all demographics, but just mobs of teenagers acting alone.

Maybe i just don't know enough about the riots in the Parisian suburbs, my impression was that there it was the local areas, where people lived and spent all their time that got hit. Here it seems like it was somewhere arbitrarily chosen as a meetup point on twitter really early in the day, and according to local witnesses on 5live, Enfield doesn't have anywhere near enough ghettoised teenagers to populate a riot like this one...

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 10:41 PM
The Mirror front page is perhaps slightly over the top tomorrow:)
http://twitpic.com/62mu6z

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 10:46 PM
The Mirror front page is perhaps slightly over the top tomorrow:)
http://twitpic.com/62mu6z

Ahaha brilliant

PaddyJoe
07-08-2011, 10:49 PM
Seems to be spreading and increasing along the way. Paul Lewis saying its "orchestrated", that kids telling him that there's been a plan to meet as some park at 12 for ages. A friend of mine earlier said that it was gangs of "militarised" kids who all knew each other going around in semi-organised groups.

Best twitter feeds atm

http://twitter.com/#!/billykenber
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis
http://twitter.com/#!/BenParfitt
http://twitter.com/#!/muskhalili

http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Enfield

Can anyone else think of parallels to other times/places? Like you hear of looting happening in lots of places where order breaks down - it becomes impossible to police effectively for whatever reason - but the feeling of this, albeit at a remove, is much more like what happened in the student riots before christmas, where you get roving bands moving and hitting targets where possible, but completely decentred, not tied to any particular place which the rioters are associated with as a community. I'd imagine that as opposed to last night, or the riots that happened in the 80s, its definitely not something being done across all demographics, but just mobs of teenagers acting alone.

Maybe i just don't know enough about the riots in the Parisian suburbs, my impression was that there it was the local areas, where people lived and spent all their time that got hit. Here it seems like it was somewhere arbitrarily chosen as a meetup point on twitter really early in the day, and according to local witnesses on 5live, Enfield doesn't have anywhere near enough ghettoised teenagers to populate a riot like this one...

Thanks for the links. A guy on BBC Five Live making the point that exactly the same thing happened in Moss Side and Oldham in the eighties. If I recall correctly all the urban riots in the US in the seventies followed the same pattern.
Another twitter account folllowing Brixton:
@andrew_hough

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 10:49 PM
Trouble apparently spreading to loads of places

gabrielle42 gabrielle churchill
@andrew_hough: At least 200 youths pelting stones + bottles @ police. Businesses told to shut up shop. 2 different cordons #Brixton ...

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 11:22 PM
Real or fake D notice ?


** SUNDAY 7th August 23:52 DN NOTICE RELEASED ** -

DA Notice on media coverage of Enfield, this a 'voluntary' arrangement by the press and not state censorship!!

"A DA-Notice or Defence Advisory Notice (called a Defence Notice or D-Notice until 1993) is an official request to news editors not to publish or broadcast items on specified subjects for reasons of national security."
22 minutes ago5 people like this.


Queer Resistance - UK queers & allies against the cuts Someone on Twitter is saying its fake and you can tell due to the time. Can ye confirm?
10 minutes ago

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 11:24 PM
Just been speaking to young kids on the street in #Walthamstow: Muslims, Christians, Jamaicans, Jewish, eastern Europeans - hate 4 Tories...

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Seems to be spreading and increasing along the way. Paul Lewis saying its "orchestrated", that kids telling him that there's been a plan to meet as some park at 12 for ages. A friend of mine earlier said that it was gangs of "militarised" kids who all knew each other going around in semi-organised groups.

Best twitter feeds atm

http://twitter.com/#!/billykenber
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis
http://twitter.com/#!/BenParfitt
http://twitter.com/#!/muskhalili

http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Enfield

Can anyone else think of parallels to other times/places? Like you hear of looting happening in lots of places where order breaks down - it becomes impossible to police effectively for whatever reason - but the feeling of this, albeit at a remove, is much more like what happened in the student riots before christmas, where you get roving bands moving and hitting targets where possible, but completely decentred, not tied to any particular place which the rioters are associated with as a community. I'd imagine that as opposed to last night, or the riots that happened in the 80s, its definitely not something being done across all demographics, but just mobs of teenagers acting alone.

Maybe i just don't know enough about the riots in the Parisian suburbs, my impression was that there it was the local areas, where people lived and spent all their time that got hit. Here it seems like it was somewhere arbitrarily chosen as a meetup point on twitter really early in the day, and according to local witnesses on 5live, Enfield doesn't have anywhere near enough ghettoised teenagers to populate a riot like this one...

A bit of both I think. But from what I read, there weren't more than 100 or so involved at Enfield.

20 yards of linen=1 coat
07-08-2011, 11:30 PM
A bit of both I think. But from what I read, there weren't more than 100 or so involved at Enfield.

I think there must be more than that. Loads of people getting arrested and reports of "100 or so" in different places at the same time. 25 people got kettled at one point and id be amazed if they were just let go. Stuff also happening in Streatham, Walthamstow, Croydon and Brixton. Obviously I dont really know though.

http://www.twitvid.com/GGNHC

billykenber Billy Kenber
Few dozen hooded youths running down Fore St in #Edmonton
4 minutes ago

BenParfitt Ben Parfitt
I'm told there's no police presence at all at the #enfield retail park. People are just turning up and helping themselves
3 minutes ago

BenParfitt Ben Parfitt
@
@pkollar More rioting in North London, Enfield. Just down the road from me. Shops looted, cars torched. Horrible scenes.
38 seconds ago

C. Flower
07-08-2011, 11:36 PM
I think there must be more than that. Loads of people getting arrested and reports of "100 or so" in different places at the same time. 25 people got kettled at one point and id be amazed if they were just let go. Stuff also happening in Streatham, Walthamstow, Croydon and Brixton. Obviously I dont really know though.

http://www.twitvid.com/GGNHC

billykenber Billy Kenber
Few dozen hooded youths running down Fore St in #Edmonton
4 minutes ago

BenParfitt Ben Parfitt
I'm told there's no police presence at all at the #enfield retail park. People are just turning up and helping themselves
3 minutes ago

Very hard to tell. Rumours, then the riot police turn up. Then people square up to them.

Certainly, a lot of cat and mouse stuff.

Griska
08-08-2011, 12:10 AM
I like this:


monkeysailor Andrew Lewis
To idiots Comparing #Enfield to Egypt revolution: There were 2 MILLION protestors at Cairo's Tahrir square & they weren't stealing DVDs.
5 hours ago
Retweeted 100+ times

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 12:12 AM
I like this:

In Egypt it was the cops who looted stores...

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 12:17 AM
Woman getting hysterical over 30 youths outside her flat (invisible).
About 40 police vehicles in convoy through Walthamstow.

"I'm going to put that on F'in youtube"...

‪Walthamstow Riots (YES Riots and not over reacting)‬‏ - YouTube

Griska
08-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Woman getting hysterical over 30 youths outside her flat (invisible).
About 40 police vehicles in convoy through Walthamstow.

"I'm going to put that on F'in youtube"...

‪Walthamstow Riots (YES Riots and not over reacting)‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIpehlc33k)

That's just the crowd at Walthamstow dogs getting lively:D

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 09:32 AM
A mate got a text message asking if he could pick up a Blu Ray TV if he got a chance. It appears the revolution may after all be televised.

It is a consumer led recovery.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 01:32 PM
Time-lapse shot as the fires burned into the early morning over Tottenham.

Art, innit?

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 02:19 PM
A couple of blogs by lawmen with their views of events.

I have never experienced looting of this scale, the wholesale sacking of shops is taking place, we know it is taking place and there is nothing we can do about it, a couple of the more hardcore members of my team want to “blat round and stop it”, we’re outnumbered, we’re encumbered by protective equipment and we’re drained. If we go blundering into this kind of situation we’ll do more harm than good. And that’s when it happens, my moment of terror “MAN DOWN”, two words I never want to hear, we run to form a cordon round the fallen officer, shields up in all directions, everyone alert and scanning for a threat. I can’t see anything but I can feel the impact of stones against my helmet, I can see some glass breaking around us, thankfully the downed officer isn’t baldy hurt and is able to regain his footing, we’re up and we’re mobile, one of my worst fears averted.
Insp Winter (http://wintsays.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/tottenham-enfield-brixton-polcing-and-public-disorder/)

We have enough restrictions on our lives as it is without placing me under virtual house arrest in case another riot takes place.

It's about time that the government realised that last night is a taste of things to come.

Mess with our tactics, mess with our numbers, budgets and wages and this is what you get.

A lot of innocent people cleaning up after a night of disorder and many officers injured.

What I will say is that it's going to make the Notting Hill Carnival an interesting two days.
Response Plod (http://responseplod.blogspot.com/2011/08/well-youre-damed-if-you-do.html)

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 02:33 PM
A couple of blogs by lawmen with their views of events.

I have never experienced looting of this scale, the wholesale sacking of shops is taking place, we know it is taking place and there is nothing we can do about it, a couple of the more hardcore members of my team want to “blat round and stop it”, we’re outnumbered, we’re encumbered by protective equipment and we’re drained. If we go blundering into this kind of situation we’ll do more harm than good. And that’s when it happens, my moment of terror “MAN DOWN”, two words I never want to hear, we run to form a cordon round the fallen officer, shields up in all directions, everyone alert and scanning for a threat. I can’t see anything but I can feel the impact of stones against my helmet, I can see some glass breaking around us, thankfully the downed officer isn’t baldy hurt and is able to regain his footing, we’re up and we’re mobile, one of my worst fears averted.
Insp Winter (http://wintsays.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/tottenham-enfield-brixton-polcing-and-public-disorder/)

We have enough restrictions on our lives as it is without placing me under virtual house arrest in case another riot takes place.

It's about time that the government realised that last night is a taste of things to come.

Mess with our tactics, mess with our numbers, budgets and wages and this is what you get.

A lot of innocent people cleaning up after a night of disorder and many officers injured.

What I will say is that it's going to make the Notting Hill Carnival an interesting two days.
Response Plod (http://responseplod.blogspot.com/2011/08/well-youre-damed-if-you-do.html)

That reads like a threat.


The media completely ignored the fact that Duggan shot at officers, completely ignored the fact the innocent bystanders were caught up in the riot, and that the reason police let the bus and buildings burn is because it was unsafe for the London Fire Brigade to go in and put it out.

The government talk about the "aggression shown to police" but fail to realise the irony of their aggression shown to police with the cut backs to the front line and to the police pensions and pay which are about to take place. The "thin blue line" is so thinly stretched it's fracturing at points and last night was a case in point. I think you can expect more of this to come.

What the government and public fail to realise is that Public Order trained officers and others like myself with specialist skills in areas including firearms are all volunteers. We get no extra money and certainly thanks to Hutton, Windsor and May we won't be getting any more for a few years.

We can just as easily turn our passes in as easy as we got them. If I don't want to be a Public Order trained officer any more I can turn in my certificate. Just as easy if I don't want to do CBRN or Search. I can easily fail to sign up for the next refresher or fail the fitness test.

If this carries on with the front line being savaged by the government and public alike I can see many officer


Blue flu. Was it already in evidence yesterday, I wonder.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 02:42 PM
That reads like a threat. Blue flu. Was it already in evidence yesterday, I wonder.

I think that overtime is the deciding factor. Quite a lot of money for very little effort, regardless of all the whingeing. I think that any potential "threats" are being over-stated with a view to increased budgets – especially overtime – for the Olympics.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 02:51 PM
Fings getting a bit moody in Crackney Hackney now according to Twitter and also denied on Twitter. Useless flippin' invention!

Best Tweet re. Hackney hipsters:
RT @sam_bishop: Hackney riot cancelled, it was only cool when no-one knew about it.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 03:33 PM
I like this. Sounds like they are getting the hang of running the police around with diversions and false alarms via social media.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 03:37 PM
The MET will miss the NOTW this week.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 04:12 PM
http://ishackneyriotingyet.com/ (http://ishackneyriotingyet.com/)

Meanwhile...

Home Secretary Theresa May is meeting police chiefs about rioting in London with new violence erupting in Hackney.

Skirmishes broke out between police and groups of young people in the area around Mare Street.

A BBC journalist said the latest violence started when a man was stopped and searched by police but nothing was found.

About eight riot vans have been drafted in and there are up to 200 police officers in riot gear, in the area.

Groups of people began attacking the police at about 16:20 BST, throwing rocks and a bin at officers.

Police cars were also being smashed by youths, who were armed with wooden poles and metal bars.

Looters also smashed their way into a JD sports store before police lines dispersed the group.

Planks of wood taken from a lorry were then hurled towards riot officers.
London riots: Theresa May meets police as Hackney violence erupts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248)

Again with the JD Sports!

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 04:46 PM
Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Met Steve Kavanagh has deployed "a significant number of police officers" and has promised a more "robust" response tonight.

Reports of it kicking off in Lewisham now.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 04:55 PM
its spreading megastyle

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 05:06 PM
It has to spread to Birmingham and some of the smaller cities soon.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 05:15 PM
Blackberry have just confirmed they r helping police by giving them address info for BBM broadcasts inciting riots.

:rolleyes:

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 05:15 PM
Hostages to fortune and/or not quite grasping it...

Most laboured hobnob gag ever

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 05:37 PM
http://yfrog.com/h26oee8j

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 05:46 PM
Hearing its going off close to my area this evening apparently. Lots of stuff flying around on social media and have one very reliable source for the kickoff.

Got some crisps in.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 05:51 PM
http://yfrog.com/h26oee8j

:)

"Mr Johnson seemed even less on top of the situation when he repeatedly called the man whose death triggered the riot by the wrong name."

He kept referring to Michael Duggan in a BBC interview.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 06:03 PM
Good old Boris- last I heard of him he was being told off for cycling his bike down the hallways at City Hall.

Griska
08-08-2011, 06:21 PM
Hearing its going off close to my area this evening apparently. Lots of stuff flying around on social media and have one very reliable source for the kickoff.

Got some crisps in.

If you'd waited a couple of hours, you wouldn't have had to pay for them.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 06:25 PM
It's official now about the bullet.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 06:28 PM
It has to spread to Birmingham and some of the smaller cities soon.

Reports of disturbances in Birmingham at the Bullring on Twitter.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 06:32 PM
:rolleyes:

And to think that the Blackberry was once the preserve of they upwardly mobile professional.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 06:38 PM
If you'd waited a couple of hours, you wouldn't have had to pay for them.

What interests me is the use of social media and something I wished Irish students had copped in Dublin- the possibility of sowing misinformation on a broadwave and then using groups on mountain bikes to go and kick it off in an area which runs the police around.

This could be quite interesting from a number of points of view- I dropped into the shops on the way home and stocked up on a few days essentials. Its the changing and fluid tactics I find fairly fascinating and I can track it from here quite well through friends who are clued into the football firm network.

(Not my scene but its an established network and know one or two who are clued into it so thats the good bush telegraph so far).

In the shop I noticed that there were roughly twice the amount of people buying that there usually is on a Monday- I'm fascinated to have had three or four hours advance notice- wait and see whether the area mentioned to me goes off around dark.

http://youtu.be/rmAktKBjY9E

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 06:44 PM
More than a dozen places in London where disturbances are occurring listed on Radio London.

BBC Radio London (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/london/)

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 06:47 PM
BBC reporting Hackney, Lewisham & Peckham but Twitter is reporting Croydon, Brick Lane, Bethnal Green, Harlesden, Harrow, Depford...

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 06:57 PM
Leaflet (http://yfrog.com/h07mxcyzj) advising on how not to get nicked found in Dalston, allegedly.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 06:59 PM
Met clearly letting this go on longer then it needs to, three days of kids rioting in London ffs.

stinks

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 07:08 PM
It is making for great television though.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 07:09 PM
Looking at those areas it seems to be going across ethnic boundaries (I know there was a mix in Tottenham and even some of the jewish kids around the fringes). I'm surprised at Harrow and Brick Lane which would have a preponderance of asian background kids though...

getting interesting. Good thing too because the establishment in London has been taking too much for granted and mucking about with the Olympic stuff as well which is clearly and blatantly not a 'people's games' as they promised in the run up to the awarding of it.

Might make the powers that be nervous about that next summer and to my mind thats a good thing.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 07:11 PM
Interactive London Riots Map (http://londonriotsmap.appspot.com/)

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 07:14 PM
I'm surprised the EDL hasn't got involved yet nevertheless, or do they have much of a presence in London?

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 07:16 PM
Wimbledon!!! SW19 ... well that would be a first as far as I know... Croydon I can understand but that Wimbledon marker is just freaky unless its someone claiming some kind of action where there may not be.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 07:18 PM
Leeds :confused:

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 07:19 PM
I'm surprised the EDL hasn't got involved yet nevertheless, or do they have much of a presence in London?

They are more in a band between Luton and Birmingham, Leeds I'd have thought but no mention of any race stuff at all that I've heard. Far as I can see it seems to have a tinge of postcode pride to it where local yoof don't want to be left out but thats the only reason I can think of other than schools are on holidays and there are a lot of very young kids around on it as far as I can see.

Just guessing at the moment but oddly enough I haven't heard about any clashes between postcodes either.

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 07:21 PM
Any chance of it spreading to Finglas I wonder?

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 07:22 PM
Leeds :confused:

A man has been taken to hospital after being shot in the face on a street in Leeds.

Police officers were sent to Saville Place in the Chapeltown area of the city on Monday evening.

A police spokesman said they had few details of the incident but BBC television reporters at the scene said there was a crowd of up to 100 at the scene and some were masked.

A police spokesman confirmed one man had suffered gunshot injuries.

Man shot in face in Chapeltown street (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-14449656)

Griska
08-08-2011, 07:22 PM
Any chance of it spreading to Finglas I wonder?

Funny, I was wondering if we may get some London inspired carry on over here.

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 07:25 PM
A man has been taken to hospital after being shot in the face on a street in Leeds.

Police officers were sent to Saville Place in the Chapeltown area of the city on Monday evening.

A police spokesman said they had few details of the incident but BBC television reporters at the scene said there was a crowd of up to 100 at the scene and some were masked.

A police spokesman confirmed one man had suffered gunshot injuries.

Man shot in face in Chapeltown street (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-14449656)

If it was by the Police, then it really will throw the cat amongst the pigeons.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
08-08-2011, 07:25 PM
Its the network of communications behind it I'm interested in. I still don't think it is political other than by way of a generally disaffected youth and it smells like locals not wanting to be left out- other than that it looks like ramraids without the cars and with consumer goods in mind.

A kind of blend of disaffection with quickly arranged flashmobbing possibly. But the disaffection is the only political element I think that I can detect.

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 07:31 PM
Of course whenever this does die down, expect even more draconian legislation to be passed.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 07:34 PM
Of course whenever this does die down, expect even more draconian legislation to be passed.

The police will certainly be using it as a bargaining chip for resources.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 07:34 PM
Its the network of communications behind it I'm interested in.

PS3, apparently.

Fing Fers
08-08-2011, 07:57 PM
These riots are growing some legs. Hard as it is to control, if this keeps up God help those shop owners.

Griska
08-08-2011, 08:13 PM
These riots are growing some legs. Hard as it is to control, if this keeps up God help those shop owners.

I have sympathy for the people left homeless.
The riots are disorganised an unfocused.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 08:40 PM
Live webast -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/live-webcast-second-day-london-riots

It looks like a cross between the January sales and a very messy Guy Fawkes night.

Tweets that some areas are putting up barricades to keep looters/burners out.

Fing Fers
08-08-2011, 08:46 PM
Live webast -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/live-webcast-second-day-london-riots

It looks like a cross between the January sales and a very messy Guy Fawkes night.

Tweets that some areas are putting up barricades to keep looters/burners out.

Crazy stuff, looting in Bermingham according to BBC, no sign of police anywhere.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 08:49 PM
Crazy stuff, looting in Bermingham according to BBC, no sign of police anywhere.

No sign of police, or fire engines.

They will let it rip so long as people are burning down their own neighbourhoods.

They could have the army out yet.

Watching it on Aljazeera now. - Helicopter coverage.

PaddyJoe
08-08-2011, 08:50 PM
It looks like Cameron is cutting short his holiday and coming back. Congrats to him, it took years for Thatcher to provoke riots;)

bormotello
08-08-2011, 08:54 PM
No sign of police, or fire engines.

looks like revenge from PS unions

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 08:56 PM
Must watch

http://www.twitvid.com/4JTZH

Fing Fers
08-08-2011, 09:00 PM
No sign of police, or fire engines.

They will let it rip so long as people are burning down their own neighbourhoods.

They could have the army out yet.

Watching it on Aljazeera now. - Helicopter coverage.

From the zero hedge thing,

It is not only LONDON. It is also in Birmgham (north england), things are getting nasty and overnight will be insane I think.


I have seen many interview'ees being cut off from the camera when they start saying :



"Well the bankers looted this country so what is wrong with the young looting shops" I laughed but it is serious. It is no longer about the wanna be gangster brap brap that was shot last week... this is/could go onto the bankers in the City as well... they better take some holiday imho.

If this keeps up it'll be chaos during weekend.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 09:02 PM
Must watch

http://www.twitvid.com/4JTZH

She's giving it some welly.

Interesting to see how slack the police response is to this, compared with the G20 policing.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 09:04 PM
Watching it on Aljazeera now. - Helicopter coverage.

On the Web? :D

TotalMayhem
08-08-2011, 09:05 PM
But of course

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Interesting to see how slack the police response is to this, compared with the G20 policing.

Indeed, smell like some quarters are waiting for something completely horrendous to happen to justify what's planned/ coming down the line.
When something does happen it will take the spotlight off the met...



This tweet from someone from Hackney.


watching riots in clapham junction on al jazeera, the channel i became addicted to during tahrir square uprising. can't quite process this

morticia
08-08-2011, 09:09 PM
This is unbelievable. The other half (English) is saying "this is it, serious unrest, it's finally blown, they'll have to declare martial law to shut this lot up, send in the Army". Except of course, they're all in Kandahar....

Of course, like our good selves, their nicks are somewhat overcrowded and they had been planning police cutbacks. Now, if there's one thing you should not cut in a recession, it's law and order. Particularly if you happen to have over a million NEETS (not in education, employment or training) on yer 'ands.

Note to Mr. Shatter....I'd be lobbying quite hard for some more wonga if I were you.

morticia
08-08-2011, 09:11 PM
Another thing that was totally weirding me out....pix of a burning block somewhere in Hackney (I think), no cops, no fire brigade, no rioters, just a conflagration that looks like the Great Fire of London, v2.1

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 09:12 PM
But of course

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Cheers TM! :)

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 09:17 PM
I know its of little importance in the scheme of things but the England Holland match on Wednesday night will have to be in doubt now.

5intheface
08-08-2011, 09:17 PM
How many plastic bullets have they fired now?

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 09:20 PM
Aljazeera is reporting that riot police are standing back and letting teenagers loot.

No police whatsoever in Clapham Junction and Battersea, a well-off area, while shops are being looted.

morticia
08-08-2011, 09:21 PM
Aljazeera is reporting that riot police are standing back and letting teenagers loot.

'elf and safety???

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 09:24 PM
Aljazeera is reporting that riot police are standing back and letting teenagers loot.

No police whatsoever in Clapham Junction and Battersea, a well-off area, while shops are being looted.

Seen that.
Quite miffed but the more I think about it, its tensions with the police that kicked the whole thing off. So that might explain the restraint.

Fing Fers
08-08-2011, 09:25 PM
BCC News saying social media to blame?

TotalMayhem
08-08-2011, 09:26 PM
Watching Super 8 right now and Al Jaz muted. Hard to tell, who's got the better fireworks...

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 09:27 PM
Seen that.
Quite miffed but the more I think about it, its tensions with the police that kicked the whole thing off. So that might explain the restraint.

Yes, they may not want to show just cause. And they may be frightened of being overwhelmed.

morticia
08-08-2011, 09:27 PM
BCC News saying social media to blame?

Yes, it's seen as a positive thing if it's aimed at nasty foreign dictators, but the riots are probably a bit close to Shepherd's Bush for comfort.

Although in fairness to the Egyptians etc, it was very clear that they had the dignity to protest without widespread looting.

Cairo 1, London nil....

PaddyJoe
08-08-2011, 09:34 PM
Don't know how credible this is but very bad news if true:

RuwaydaMustafah Ruwayda Mustafah
by david_o_connell
Mosque in Whitechapel has been attacked by EDL. #LondonRiots

morticia
08-08-2011, 09:38 PM
Don't know how credible this is but very bad news if true:

OK, this is seriously dire. Seems pretty obvious too, that this wasn't started by the Muslim community. Hopefully they'll have the sense to occupy the high moral ground rather than retaliating.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 09:46 PM
Yes, it's seen as a positive thing if it's aimed at nasty foreign dictators, but the riots are probably a bit close to Shepherd's Bush for comfort.

Although in fairness to the Egyptians etc, it was very clear that they had the dignity to protest without widespread looting.

Cairo 1, London nil....

All of the looting done in Cairo was done by the police (Dawra), who went down the equivalent of Oxford Street smashing windows and helping themselves.

This is petty criminality on a grand scale. De-industrialisation and chavisation of the working class, youths living in very limited and dull environments, that don't allow them to develop their potential, and that imbue them with the idea that one's personal value is to do with branded goods.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 09:47 PM
Aljazeera reports some rioting in Leeds, possibly someone shot there.

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 09:49 PM
Camden High Street (http://yfrog.com/gysnrnlj)

eamo
08-08-2011, 09:52 PM
This is petty criminality on a grand scale. De-industrialisation and chavisation of the working class, youths living in very limited and dull environments, that don't allow them to develop their potential, and that imbue them with the idea that one's personal value is to do with branded goods.
You say in a few words what some would take books to say.
And you are right.

PaddyJoe
08-08-2011, 09:53 PM
PaulLewis Paul Lewis
Violent clashes now on Kingsland Road, Hackney, as hundreds of Turkish men attack others youths #hackney
If this turns into inter- ethnic riots London is in deep trouble:(

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 09:54 PM
I'm getting the Turks are standing up for the property and community when the police wont/can't.

also.


kids following lessons of arab spring
assemble small groups off high streets before getting together in such big numbers that the police ... run away!

causes as follows (this to clarify matters for luka and vim)

hottest weekend of the year
economic fuckup of tory 2011
rupert murdoch symbol of unbridled establishment looting and corruption
closure of northern reaches of piccadilly line at the weekend
youth clubs shut ema cancelled
amy winehouse martyr of north london
elitism and misdevelopment in the name of the olympics
ramadan!
name brand envy leading to a uncannily similar window smashing agenda to the anticapitalist movement
that big turd boris
that big turd boris
that big turd gadaffi
a massive social stratum without access to holiday in tuscany or anywhere fancying a big weekend
loss of dignity of authority figures especially the police who are organisationally in impotent manic depression, but also ipcc & the courts
not an uneducated mass of petty crims, but an intelligent group of first-world ghetto youth who understand very well all of the above but to whom noone listens at any other time
& no collective agenda at all, every individual with their own collection of legitimate beef, this being by far most terrifying of all for the powers that be who are quivering in denial
& more which i'm sure will come to mind

Fing Fers
08-08-2011, 09:55 PM
We're getting our taxes back, is a quote from a looter going by twitter. Looting map on google, not sure if its bang on?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f 7&msa=0&ll=51.523271,-0.068665&spn=0.459699,1.100006

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 10:04 PM
Kingsland Road chaotic as Turkish men attack other, predominantly black, youths with sticks, metal barricades and bricks.

http://twitter.com/#%21/PaulLewis (http://twitter.com/#%21/PaulLewis)

PaddyJoe
08-08-2011, 10:05 PM
Nick Clegg "warns" of riots if Tories are elected (11Apr10) :rolleyes::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YItK1izQIwo&feature=youtu.be

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 10:05 PM
If this turns into inter- ethnic riots London is in deep trouble:(

Turks are getting respect for defending their places.

The Google map shows a north - south alignment of little bonfires across London. Southall and the East End all quiet - good moslem children at home doing extra study... ?

Justin Casey
08-08-2011, 10:19 PM
Turks are getting respect for defending their places.

@IsinElicin Turkish gangs normally accused of selling drugs now hailed as heros bec. they're saving streets from their clients (sarcasm:)

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 10:25 PM
Turks are getting respect for defending their places.

They come over here, they protect our jobs...

5intheface
08-08-2011, 10:29 PM
Man shot in Croydon according to Sky News.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 10:30 PM
lulz

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3660/rice.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/225/rice.png/)

PaddyJoe
08-08-2011, 10:38 PM
They come over here, they protect our jobs...
A lot of small business owners around Dalston and Hackney are Turkish.

Frankie Lee
08-08-2011, 10:38 PM
Just reading through the thread on boards.ie on this and have come to the conclusion that Morgan Kelly is right when he speaks of the danger of a far right party coming to power in Ireland.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 10:46 PM
Just reading through the thread on boards.ie on this and have come to the conclusion that Morgan Kelly is right when he speaks of the danger of a far right party coming to power in Ireland.

+1000

All over the twitter, usually sane people calling for martial law ffs

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 10:47 PM
Just reading through the thread on boards.ie on this and have come to the conclusion that Morgan Kelly is right when he speaks of the danger of a far right party coming to power in Ireland.

I should get out more.

But Ireland is very divided, no question about it.

Rioting reported in Belfast btw.

But the water cannon are being taken to London.

Dr. FIVE
08-08-2011, 11:09 PM
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2011/6/1/a-woman-jumps-from-burning-building-in-surrey-street-london-pic-wenn-109218867.jpg

Fugee
08-08-2011, 11:13 PM
Just reading through the thread on boards.ie on this and have come to the conclusion that Morgan Kelly is right when he speaks of the danger of a far right party coming to power in Ireland.

We already have a far right party in government, they just pretend to be central.

Fugee
08-08-2011, 11:14 PM
I am getting regular updates from London, from Notting Hill and Lewisham. Lets just saw that middle class white people have been expecting this.

Fugee
08-08-2011, 11:14 PM
Rioting reported in Belfast btw.


What area?

Edo
08-08-2011, 11:29 PM
We already have a far right party in government, they just pretend to be central.

How old are you? - seriously? - a far right government..............FFS

Going on opinions I've been hearing tonight from normally moderate folks lookin on this - you might be looking back at this government as a very liberal government compared to what might follow them if they fail or events transpire against them. There will be a new right wing party in this country within 12 months - it will be well funded and very populist, anti-immigrant and eurosceptic................I've already had feelers put out in my direction from dissident FGers , former PDs and others further to the right - I wont be joining them - I want change - but not that kind of change and most of them , in normal times , would be laughed out of the joint - but these are interesting times and there is a lot of latent support just under the surface out there for some of their ideas.

When law and order break down - the centre always breaks to the right............there is that potential in Ireland and every democracy in Europe.................

anybody looking at Sky news, BBC news and TV pictures will see lots and lots of black faces.................very bad news

The BNP boys must be drinking their whiskey and rubbing their hands in glee - this could be their equivalent of Sinn Feins reinvention and resurrection after the IMF intervention in Ireland in November last - SF were going nowhere and were looking at political irrelevance - the IMF bailout renewed their licence and their relevance to certain sectors of the population - this could do the same for the BNP and other British right wing groups.

Fugee
08-08-2011, 11:32 PM
How old are you? - seriously? - a far right government..............FFS

Going on opinions I've been hearing tonight from normally moderate folks lookin on this - you might be looking back at this government as a very liberal government.

When law and order break down - the centre always breaks to the right............there is that potential in Ireland and every democracy in Europe.................

anybody looking at Sky news, BBC news and TV pictures will see lots and lots of black faces.................very bad news

The BNP boys must be drinking their whiskey and rubbing their hands in glee - this could be their equivalent of Sinn Feins reinvention and resurrection after the IMF intervention in Ireland in November last - SF were going nowhere and were looking at political irrelevance - the IMF bailout gave renewed their licence and their relevance to certain sectors of the population - this could do the same for the BNP and other British right wing groups.

You should head over to Corrib or attend any other protest against the government.

Ireland is a fascist state.

Griska
08-08-2011, 11:37 PM
I am getting regular updates from London, from Notting Hill and Lewisham. Lets just saw that middle class white people have been expecting this.

No they haven't.
Unless you have access to middle class white people nobody else has access to.
The people who are rioting/looting didn't even expect this.

There is a type, of course, who are always "waiting for the **** to happen".
However, if you keep saying "any day now", you're bound to be right eventually.

Fugee
08-08-2011, 11:38 PM
No they haven't.
Unless you have access to middle class white people nobody else has access to.
The people who are rioting/looting didn't even expect this.

There is a type, of course, who are always "waiting for the **** to happen".
However, if you keep saying "any day now", you're bound to be right eventually.

Excuse me, but middle class white people have had enough in certain areas of London.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 11:40 PM
Excuse me, but middle class white people have had enough in certain areas of London.

Certain middle class white people have joined the EDL. However, they are a very tiny minority.

Fugee
08-08-2011, 11:41 PM
Certain middle class white people have joined the EDL.

And they are right. That country has been destroyed by 3rd world shitbags that give nothing to society.

Fing Fers
08-08-2011, 11:41 PM
I should get out more.

But Ireland is very divided, no question about it.

Rioting reported in Belfast btw.

But the water cannon are being taken to London.

Talk of riots in Liverpool too.

Edo
08-08-2011, 11:41 PM
You should head over to Corrib or attend any other protest against the government.

Ireland is a fascist state.

god love ya - you have no idea what the word fascist means - and you do a great disservice to those of us who will fight real fascism with every ounce of our lives.

you are allowed protest against the government in this country - you are allowed say whatever you want in this country - you have rights, benefits, entitlements and freedoms that people have died for and are dying for in so many other areas of the world - things that they can only dream of.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 11:42 PM
And they are right. That country has been destroyed by 3rd world shitbags that give nothing to society.

Well, the EDL and its supporter is not getting a platform here.

Griska
08-08-2011, 11:42 PM
Excuse me, but middle class white people have had enough in certain areas of London.

Excuse me, but middle class white people aren't the ones who are making news at the moment.
What are you talking about?
Enough of what?
Why only certain areas?

Why not send the Freedom Bus over?
It's probably idle at the moment.

Fugee
08-08-2011, 11:42 PM
However, they are a very tiny minority.

Speak to people on the ground there, and establish the real feelings on the ground.

smiles
08-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Excuse me, but middle class white people have had enough in certain areas of London.

Had enough of what?

evil_g
08-08-2011, 11:46 PM
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2011/6/1/a-woman-jumps-from-burning-building-in-surrey-street-london-pic-wenn-109218867.jpg

Link? Context?

Edo
08-08-2011, 11:46 PM
Well, the EDL and its supporter is not getting a platform here.

cheers Cactus - I was starting to wonder who and what I was trying to engage with there.

Accusing some of the being fascist and then describing others as , well we know what he said - bit inconsistent there to put it likely -

PaddyJoe
08-08-2011, 11:47 PM
Now its Liverpool. Jesus, this is impossible to keep up with...

martinfricker Martin Fricker
Police confirming major disturbances in #Toxteth, Liverpool, cars/vans on fire ... locals tweeting that rioters are heading to city centre

Griska
08-08-2011, 11:49 PM
Now its Liverpool. Jesus, this is impossible to keep up with...

Toxteth.
They know how to riot in Toxteth.

I wonder how much of this is true.
I have friends in Enfield and they reckon last night was much ado about nothing.

C. Flower
08-08-2011, 11:57 PM
Toxteth.
They know how to riot in Toxteth.

I wonder how much of this is true.
I have friends in Enfield and they reckon last night was much ado about nothing.

A lot of 12-16 year olds. Over 200 arrests last night. A few buildings were burned in London. Far more spectators that rioters.

Cameron has a COBRA meeting in the morning. I'd say they will talk about the internet. I'm sure they would love to get the army out, but for a crowd of 14 year olds ???

Lapsedmethodist
08-08-2011, 11:57 PM
A lot of small business owners around Dalston and Hackney are Turkish.

And they take no ***** either !

Also, on Twitter (11 pm):

hiloBella Chilo Moore
TURKS+KURDS DiD WHAT DA BRITISH POLiCE COULDN’T DO CHASED DOWN 600 RIOTERS WITH BASEBALL BATS AND DONER KNiFES #Dalston. #Londonriots

MrAliDickinson Ali Dickinson
Turkish Shop keepers apparently just chased the rioters out of Dalston with metal poles. Yes Dalston spirit! #Dalston #Londonriot

This is right outside my flat –> “Who needs riot police when you have Turkish shop owners? #dalston #londonriots yfrog.com/kk9a0wkj”

danielrhamilton Daniel Hamilton
Reports of heroic scenes on #Dalston High Street. Turkish families lining the streets to oppose #riots. What great Londoners.

primanirules Gerica
#Dalston god bless the Turkish shop-keepers.Protecting their property.Try messing with them you pathetic bunch of cowards in your balaclavas

This is right outside my flat –> “Who needs riot police when you have Turkish shop owners? #dalston #londonriots yfrog.com/kk9a0wkj”

sophwilkinson Sophie Wilkinson
TURKISH MEN, I LOVE YOU RT @StevenWeston: Crossways, #Dalston 5 mins ago… http://yfrog.com/kk9a0wkj

charminglass Jasmine Sandalli
Hadi Türkiye!! RT @danielrhamilton: Reports of heroic scenes on #Dalston High Street. Turkish families lining the streets to oppose #riots.

benedict Benedict Singleton
“@PaulLewis: Man with stick: “This is Turkish Kurdish area. They come to our shops and we fight them with sticks.” #hackney” #dalston

donatman piero donat
Guess what i predicted few hours ago is now happening. Turkish shopkeepers fighting back in #dalston. We don’t need the army!

toros46 Hasan Usak
#Dalston daki Kurt ve Turk esnaf yagmacilarla mucadele ediyor dukkanlarini korumak icin @dilrike @ibrahim_Dogus @sevcanbikim

lee23stone Lee Stone
Lamb shish for life! #turkssavetheday #dalston #realcommunity #riots #thanks

TineTweets Christine Ullmann
A big thank you to the people who kept #Dalston safe.

redbellyboy Ewan Taylor
Just saw an army of Turkish shop owners chasing hoodies down Kingsland Rd. Go #turks protecting their shop/homes #dalston #londonriots

chukker_norris matt vidal
Saw about 30 masked youths followed by about 15 Turks from the #Dalston neighborhood watch. #dontneednostinkingbadges

The Guardian reports:

We’ve detoured to Dalston where a bus was set on fire in shacklewell lane earlier. The single deck bus is now cordoned off and there doesn’t seem to be much damage, but the incident has clearly shaken the large Turkish community here. Many shopkeepers are on the street talking about how they chased away the gang of youths behind the bus fire.

“We beat up four of them quite badly and they ran off,” one man, who wouldn’t give his name, said. Another said: “this is not justice, coming here and trying to attack us.” Notably several businesses are still open as usual here, unlike other violence hit areas.

We’ve just watched a mob of locals chase a gang of hoodies down the main road, with police vans on full siren in pursuit.

PaddyJoe
09-08-2011, 12:03 AM
Toxteth.
They know how to riot in Toxteth.

I wonder how much of this is true.
I have friends in Enfield and they reckon last night was much ado about nothing.

I think a lot of these incidents are quick smash and grab raids by a couple of dozen people. The know that the police are completely overstretched and they can be in and out of a store in ten minutes. A lot of opportunistic stuff going on.
What is dangerous is the fires. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that someone has died tonight by being caught in a flat above a burning shop. :(

Griska
09-08-2011, 12:04 AM
Oh dear:


benschofield Ben Schofield
by blackblocLdn
Yes - Liverpool now burning too. That's my car on fire. #riots yfrog.com/h0ch8dpj
32 minutes ago

:(

Griska
09-08-2011, 12:05 AM
I think a lot of these incidents are quick smash and grab raids by a couple of dozen people. The know that the police are completely overstretched and they can be in and out of a store in ten minutes. A lot of opportunistic stuff going on.
What is dangerous is the fires. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that someone has died tonight by being caught in a flat above a burning shop. :(

Yes, that's a worry, alright.
I noticed a tweet earlier asking people not to obstruct fire crews.

Holly
09-08-2011, 12:07 AM
Sky News is reporting that a Wimpy Bar was attacked. :eek:

Griska
09-08-2011, 12:08 AM
Someone's advocating a sensible approach:


LowkeyMusic1 Lowkey
by blackblocLdn
Might be a time for organised community checkpoints. Money needs to be invested in our youth, not in wars abroad. Connect and organise.

Fing Fers
09-08-2011, 12:09 AM
A lot of 12-16 year olds. Over 200 arrests last night. A few buildings were burned in London. Far more spectators that rioters.

Cameron has a COBRA meeting in the morning. I'd say they will talk about the internet. I'm sure they would love to get the army out, but for a crowd of 14 year olds ???

If those 14 years old started rattling the gates of buckingham palace the troops would be flown home from Afghanistan and topped up with a couple of thousand Police. Shop owners and residents will have to mostly deal with it themselves until then.

Frankie Lee
09-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Talk of riots in Liverpool too.

If it is in Liverpool, I would guess the majority of the rioters aren't black, which would mean that race is not the issue, just society breaking down instead.

Holly
09-08-2011, 12:36 AM
1,700 police officers are on the streets of London tonight. It is not enough and a different model for community policing will need to be established.

Ah Well
09-08-2011, 12:43 AM
Clapham Junction/Wandsworth is one of the areas of London I'd have known one time ... sad to see this going on

‪Clapham Junction Riots & Looting 8/8 9.30pm‬‏ - YouTube

Same area ... presumably this Vid is taken later on in the evening

‪Clapham Junction riots - Police Catch looter coming out of Currys and Beat Him 8/8/11‬‏ - YouTube

Fing Fers
09-08-2011, 12:49 AM
1,700 police officers are on the streets of London tonight. It is not enough and a different model for community policing will need to be established.


Royal wedding security: snipers on rooftops as 5,000 police officers take to streets of London
Britain's biggest security operation in a generation is under way for the royal wedding, with 5,000 police officers under orders to deal ''robustly and firmly'' with any threats.

I'd be pi55ed if I lived in London, paying all my taxes along with millions of others? to be given only 1,700 police to deal with all that trouble. When the royal family got 5,000 police for a poxy wedding.

Ah Well
09-08-2011, 12:56 AM
Now Bristol is experiencing trouble

This Map shows how bad things are :eek:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f 7&msa=0&ll=51.558503%2C-0.055275&spn=0.114195%2C0.298691

Frankie Lee
09-08-2011, 01:05 AM
Now Bristol is experiencing trouble

This Map shows how bad things are :eek:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f 7&msa=0&ll=51.558503%2C-0.055275&spn=0.114195%2C0.298691

Looking through the cities and you have to think there is enough poverty for these riots to nationwide completely. Then again they could die down in a couple of nights just as simple.

Fing Fers
09-08-2011, 01:17 AM
We're getting our taxes back, http://youtu.be/mrrqEMlhLq4

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=28109

Peter Dow
09-08-2011, 01:51 AM
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9050/cameronbrowncleggburnin.jpg