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Baron von Biffo
29-05-2011, 12:01 PM
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/nine-dead-in-german-ecoli-outbreak-506834.html

Natural selection weeds out the gene that leads to cucumbers being seen as food. :D

Baron von Biffo
29-05-2011, 01:05 PM
Kicking myself now that I didn't title this thread, "Hamburgers poisoned by cucumbers." :(

C. Flower
29-05-2011, 11:15 PM
Kicking myself now that I didn't title this thread, "Hamburgers poisoned by cucumbers." :(

Sorted.

I like cucumbers, but they are plain dangerous. There was a serious aldicarb poisoning in ireland a few years back - cucumbers again - the same poison as killed people at Bhopal in India. None dead in Ireland, but many, myself included, feeling very weird for weeks.

And then there was this tragic incident -

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread-Tortoises-all-dead-trader-joes-cucumbers-poisoned-them#axzz1NmYdgXfe

Baron von Biffo
29-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Sorted.

I like cucumbers, but they are plain dangerous. There was a serious aldicarb poisoning in ireland a few years back - cucumbers again - the same poison as killed people at Bhopal in India. None dead in Ireland, but many, myself included, feeling very weird for weeks.

And then there was this tragic incident -

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread-Tortoises-all-dead-trader-joes-cucumbers-poisoned-them#axzz1NmYdgXfe

Thanks for the emendation.

I've always hated them. Can't get away from the sneaking suspicion that they're not actually grown but are made in some sinister sweatshop. :o

Poor old McDonalds will be in a right pickle about it.

Baron von Biffo
31-05-2011, 11:14 AM
14 dead to date.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0531/1224298145817.html

Already I hear it's being used by some to suggest that organic food isn't safe.

Binn Beal
31-05-2011, 11:23 AM
How do you protect yourself from it?
Stop buying in Aldi-Lidl?
Don't buy Spanish orGerman food?
Cook all veg?

And has anyone information on the cause?
Was it organic growers using manure?
Is this a practice in Ireland?

Can a post be entirely made up of questions?

Holly
31-05-2011, 11:28 AM
Common sense tells us that using toilet waste as fertilizer is crazy.

Holly
31-05-2011, 07:37 PM
After single-handedly delivering a body-blow to Spanish farmers, the Germans have now admitted that their initial claim as to the source of the E-coli was bogus.
Now they are saying they have no clue where it came from.

Griska
31-05-2011, 08:57 PM
Sorted.

And then there was this tragic incident -

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread-Tortoises-all-dead-trader-joes-cucumbers-poisoned-them#axzz1NmYdgXfe

God damn you, Trader Joe!

Cactus, I now happily believe that when you're not overseeing the Political World you are busy with your tortoises!

C. Flower
03-06-2011, 08:40 AM
Pretty serious now - this has turned out to be a new strain of e-coli bacteria and is killing people left right and centre.

Also, a new form of MRSA has been found in two Dublin hospitals.

As our systems will not have any resistance to these new bacteria, they are both real threats.

http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2011-04-20.104.0

Baron von Biffo
03-06-2011, 01:05 PM
RTE radio news reporting now that the HSE have said it's inevitable that the cucumber bug will arrive here from Germany.

The government has advised people to avoid contact with vegetarians.

Ok, I made that last bit up :D

Ah Well
03-06-2011, 01:36 PM
The government has advised people to avoid contact with vegetarians

I'm afraid some have already suffered that fate long since

http://www.spinsouthwest.com/wp-content/files/2011/01/Green-party-jan-11.jpg

Baron von Biffo
03-06-2011, 01:51 PM
I'm afraid some have already suffered that fate long since

http://www.spinsouthwest.com/wp-content/files/2011/01/Green-party-jan-11.jpg

Consider yourself pos repped for that :D:D:D:D

Baron von Biffo
03-06-2011, 02:30 PM
HSE Public Health Lab comments -

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0603/breaking4.html

C. Flower
03-06-2011, 07:13 PM
God damn you, Trader Joe!

Cactus, I now happily believe that when you're not overseeing the Political World you are busy with your tortoises!

Were Rachael's (banned:eek:) tortoises the canary in the coalmine ?

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread-Tortoises-all-dead-trader-joes-cucumbers-poisoned-them#axzz1NmYdgXfe

morticia
03-06-2011, 08:39 PM
Pretty serious now - this has turned out to be a new strain of e-coli bacteria and is killing people left right and centre.

Also, a new form of MRSA has been found in two Dublin hospitals.

As our systems will not have any resistance to these new bacteria, they are both real threats.

http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2011-04-20.104.0

Oh, and it gets worse. Few drug companies are doing much research into bacteriologically active compounds any more. Big pharma like chronic conditions where you can medicate the patient for the rest of their lives (so they have to buy schwackloads of your drug). Antibiotics tend to be a 7 day dose, then you're done (hopefully). So we have antibiotics which have been in use for 20 odd years....and bacteria that have a doubling (generation) time of 20 minutes. They evolve really fast

And before we all get on our high horses and blame Big Pharma (always a tempting option, I'll admit), let's think of our own role in this. Yes, we have one. We have developed a zero tolerance attitude to drug side effects, meaning that one nasty episode amongst 100,000 patients is considered too many by the likes of the FDA and its Euro and Japanese equivalents. So it costs up to a billion to get a drug approved (health and safety hoops, bureaucracy etc), which means that Big Pharma doesn't make a profit unless they can sell bucket loads of the stuff. Now, let's consider what we need from an antibiotic of last resort (think, beyond methicillin, next gen vancomycin replacement etc.). We need something that can be prescribed on a very restricted basis to ICU patients when all else has failed.

So, basically, Big Pharma can't make a profit on great new antibiotics, so it ain't developing them.....and the buggie-wuggies are evolving resistance far, far faster than we can cope with them.

Modern healthcare has zero tolerance for unwanted side effects. I'd be inclined to argue that this risk aversion isn't good enough any more. You hardly need reminding that E.coli strain 0104 seems to have plenty of unwanted side effects, including death. Time, I am afraid, to remember that people can be killed by omission as well as by administration of a drug with the odd side effect.

And before everyone gets on the case of governments (they should be funding antibiotic research, etc), name the government with spare billions for drug trials that are quite likely to fail.....I'm kinda stumped. Maybe the Chinese have the spare cash...then again, maybe they don't.....

Baron von Biffo
03-06-2011, 08:55 PM
And before everyone gets on the case of governments (they should be funding antibiotic research, etc), name the government with spare billions for drug trials that are quite likely to fail.....I'm kinda stumped. Maybe the Chinese have the spare cash...then again, maybe they don't.....

Would you see any point in mandating certain lines of research as a condition of licensing pharmaceutical companies?

C. Flower
03-06-2011, 09:51 PM
Would you see any point in mandating certain lines of research as a condition of licensing pharmaceutical companies?

Or putting a punitive tax on such completely useless scam products as "cough medecines" and using it to fund research.

morticia
03-06-2011, 10:38 PM
Yes, I would see a point in both of those, and more. It's a war the bugs are winning at the moment. Mostly because bureaucracy and vested interests stand in the way of progress.

Note to the free marketeers; not everything worthwhile turns a profit.

Baron von Biffo
03-06-2011, 11:18 PM
Yes, I would see a point in both of those, and more. It's a war the bugs are winning at the moment. Mostly because bureaucracy and vested interests stand in the way of progress.

Note to the free marketeers; not everything worthwhile turns a profit.

But free marketeers think nothing is worthwhile unless it turns a profit.

morticia
04-06-2011, 10:45 AM
But free marketeers think nothing is worthwhile unless it turns a profit.

Unfortunately, in a nutshell, that is precisely what is wrong with just about everything right now.

Apjp
04-06-2011, 12:35 PM
Sorted.

I like cucumbers, but they are plain dangerous. There was a serious aldicarb poisoning in ireland a few years back - cucumbers again - the same poison as killed people at Bhopal in India. None dead in Ireland, but many, myself included, feeling very weird for weeks.

And then there was this tragic incident -

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread-Tortoises-all-dead-trader-joes-cucumbers-poisoned-them#axzz1NmYdgXfe

Lidl have 40% off all theirs this week. Not codding ye

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ang
04-06-2011, 05:10 PM
Lidl have 40% off all theirs this week. Not codding ye

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I'd say they would have a job giving them away.

DCon
05-06-2011, 05:58 PM
turns out the cucumber may be innocent.

Bertie "the Cucumber" (new nickname) Ahern heard telling people "I told yiz so"


German health authorities claim that locally grown beansprouts have been identified as the likely cause of an outbreak of E coli that has killed 22 people and infected 1,700 people across Europe.


Scientists suspect the source of the contamination may have been poor hygiene either at a farm, in transit, or in a shop or food outlet. Many of those infected have developed haemolytic uraemic syndrome, a potentially deadly complication attacking the kidneys.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/05/ecoli-beansprouts-identified-likely-source

Baron von Biffo
06-06-2011, 01:10 PM
The cucumber is vindicated! The culprit is now believed to be bean sprouts.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0606/breaking9.html

Doesn't change the fact that God hates vegetarians. :D

C. Flower
06-06-2011, 02:24 PM
The cucumber is vindicated! The culprit is now believed to be bean sprouts.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0606/breaking9.html

Doesn't change the fact that God hates vegetarians. :D

Yet another unproven allegation by the Germans. Would they not get their tests done and then make an announcement ?

It's weird behaviour.

ang
06-06-2011, 03:23 PM
Yet another unproven allegation by the Germans. Would they not get their tests done and then make an announcement ?

It's weird behaviour.

The very people telling us how to run our finances yet they are running around like headless chickens.


TheJournal.ie
BREAKING: Initial tests on beansprouts at farm at centre of German E.coli outbreak investigation have proved negative say health officials
19 minutes ago via web

C. Flower
06-06-2011, 08:05 PM
first they came for cucumbers. I said nothing because I hate cucumbers, then they came for beansprouts: I did nothing because I hate them too

One of my favourite tweets ever - from Safraz Mansour

TotalMayhem
08-06-2011, 03:31 PM
The cucumber is vindicated! The culprit is now believed to be bean sprouts.

Sorry, bean sprouts, it's the cucumber ... again.

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/0,1518,767431,00.html

Dr. FIVE
08-06-2011, 04:28 PM
counter propaganda!

Baron von Biffo
05-07-2011, 01:09 PM
Today's culprit is fenugreek seeds from Egypt.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0705/ecoli.html