Real Democracy Now: 15M protests continue in Spain- Government tries to clear centre of Madrid before mid-August papal visit

[PaddyJoe]

The recently formed broad based protest movement Democracia Real YA ihas grown rapidly using mainly social media and organised demonstrations in many Spanish cites yesterday.
The movement is unaligned with any of Spain's political parties or unions and seems to consist of a broad cross section of Spanish society opposed to austerity.
Madrid's Puerta del Sol central square is being occupied tonight by supporters of the movement who intend to remain there until Sunday's elections.

Madrid - Spain is facing more social protests ahead of Sunday's local and regional elections after thousands of people demanded 'real democracy' in rallies around the country.
Demonstrations would continue, Fabio Gandara, one of the organizers of last Sunday's protests, told the daily El Pais on Monday.
About 50 young people meanwhile spent the night at Madrid's central Puerta del Sol square, saying they may stay there until the elections.
An internet movement called 'Real Democracy Now' mobilized an estimated 20,000 people on Sunday in Madrid, where a small group of protestors engaged in acts of street violence, burning garbage containers and damaging bus shelters.
Five police officers and two other people were injured as demonstrators clashed with riot police. Twenty-four people were detained.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1639383.php/Spain-faces-social-protests-ahead-of-Sunday-s-elections

[PaddyJoe]

Scene in the Puerta del Sol this evening:
http://twitpic.com/4yk3i3

[ang]

That's a great crowd PJ.

I wish the Irish had this sort of stamina

[PaddyJoe]

That's a great crowd PJ.

I wish the Irish had this sort of stamina
This movement seems to be gaining a lot of momentum today in Madrid and Barcelona. It seems to be spreading to other cities as well tonight.
Hashtags #acampadasol (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23acampadasol) #spanishrevolution (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23spanishrevolution) for anyone keeping up to date.

[ang]

Hopefully it won't be too long before the Irish get organised with other EU groups to combat this "Takeover under cover of crisis EU agenda"

[PaddyJoe]

Over 10,000 in the Puerta del Sol this evening(Tuesday). Very little in the anglophone media so far but here's a clip from El País which gives a flavour of the protest.
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2011/05/16/actualidad/1305579962_497160.html

[Apjp]

Over 10,000 in the Puerta del Sol this evening(Tuesday). Very little in the anglophone media so far but here's a clip from El País which gives a flavour of the protest.
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2011/05/16/actualidad/1305579962_497160.html

Of course there is. Cant have the paddies being rebels again.

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[PaddyJoe]

Very impressive slide show here from El Mundo:
http://www.elmundo.es/multimedia/?media=ck2EZKNrWEp

[PaddyJoe]

The occupation of the Plaza del Sol continues for a fourth night in spite of a ruling by election officials:

Defying a ban by Madrid election officials, several thousand people gathered in Puerta del Sol on Wednesday as mass demonstrations against unemployment and the government's social policies swelled across the country for the fourth day.

Anti-riot police were called in to enforce the ban, but at press time no one had been dislodged from Madrid's main square. People appeared in good spirits despite initial fears of confrontations.
Earlier in the day, the Madrid Electoral Board banned organizers of the so-called 15-M movement from holding its rally. The board ruled that there existed "no special or serious reasons" for the urgent call for the mass demonstration. The Real Democracy Now platform, which is spearheading the movement, called on demonstrators to camp out in Madrid's Sol and other main squares in cities across Spain until Sunday's elections. But Madrid Board members decided that the protests "can affect the election race and the freedom of citizens to cast ballots" for whom they choose. The Central Electoral Board, which decides campaign policy for the entire nation, said it would make a final ruling in lieu of the different decisions being adopted by regional officials.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/Demonstrators/defy/election/officials/by/converging/on/Sol/elpepueng/20110518elpeng_14/Ten

[Munnkeyman]

Looks like the beginnings of something in Spain.
Now If they could only tie in with republicans and
get rid of the bourbons........

YouTube - Thousands protest economic crisis in Madrid - no comment

[ang]

A lot of tweets on this protest today. It really doe seem to be taking off/

[PaddyJoe]

The Spanish protests have finally made the international media today with coverage in all the main newspapers. There a good live blog here from El País with up to the minute updates.
http://eskup.elpais.com/*elpais_in_english
Similar protests are being organised in other European cities
I see tonight that a demonstration is being held this Saturday at the Spire:
http://www.irishleftreview.org/2011/05/19/democracia-real-ya-protest-dublin-saturday-2pm-spire-oconnell-street/

[Apjp]

The Spanish protests have finally made the international media today with coverage in all the main newspapers. There a good live blog here from El País with up to the minute updates.
http://eskup.elpais.com/*elpais_in_english
Similar protests are being organised in other European cities
I see tonight that a demonstration is being held this Saturday at the Spire:
http://www.irishleftreview.org/2011/05/19/democracia-real-ya-protest-dublin-saturday-2pm-spire-oconnell-street/

We live in hope. The key to the oncoming possibly leftist revolution is the armys loyalty. The gardai should be restricted to local policing. We need more soldiers for foreign aid and they should run all major policing operations handed over to the army. I know soldiers and trust anyone who has had wages cut by 40% to stand by us. Gardai are like mets. Dont you all agree? I think we can trust our soldiers who are always the first to get hit in every budget

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[PaddyJoe]

From Der Speigel:

They have been dubbed the "lost generation," (http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,699467,00.html) with many of them unable to find jobs and forced to live at home as a result of the economic crisis. But now Spain's young people appear to have found their voice -- and they are taking their anger with their country's politicians into the streets.


Protests are continuing on Madrid's landmark Puerta del Sol square on Thursday. Many thousands of young people gathered on the square on Wednesday, defying a ban on the demonstration. BBC reported that as many as 2,000 stayed the night on the square. The young people are protesting against high unemployment, the Spanish government's handling of the economic crisis and the political establishment. They want a boycott of the major political parties, the ruling Socialists (PSOE) and the center-right opposition People's Party (PP), in this weekend's elections. Over 8,000 municipal and 13 regional elections are being held on Sunday.
The protesters say they will stay on the square until the elections take place. Around 500 riot police were reported to be present on the square on Wednesday but did not intervene.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,763581,00.html

[PaddyJoe]

Excellent translation of the manifesto agreed by the protestors via Hugh Green at 'The Punishment of Sloth'
http://hughgreen.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/ghost-manifesto/

[ang]

Bailout Protests Spread: People In Spain Are Chanting "We Want To Be Icelanders!"

Read more: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/05/spains-icelandic-revolt-protests-spread.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MishsGlobalEconomicTrendAnaly sis+%28Mish%27s+Global+Economic+Trend+Analysis%29# ixzz1MtQtNupT

[Apjp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nM04G7eIiw&feature=youtu.be LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE, START A THREAD ON IT AND MAKE IT VIRAL. SPAM POLITICIANS OF THIS VICHY GOVT WITH IT/ Seriously the army should take over al national policing operations. the gardai helped the taxmen in this. COME TO THE SPIRE THIS SATURDAY AT 2PM-5PM TO PROTEST ON EVERYTHING! seriously dont listen without tissues and a stress ball.

[Apjp]

From Der Speigel:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,763581,00.html

good policeforce there if they are clever enough not to intervene. 1 in 3 unemployed EU people are spanish. like in greece and here many people did nothing out of shellshock for ages. I think and hope we're next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nM04G7eIiw&feature=youtu.be

[Jolly Red Giant]

The 'May 15 Movement' involving 150,000 young unemployed and students has lead to widespread occupations of public squares in 57 cities and towns across Spain. The campaign, called 'Real Democracy Now', is being led by banners proclaiming “We are not commodities to be bought and sold” and “I do not want to be a slave to this system”. The youth have taken their inspiration from the mass movements against the right-wing capitalist regimes of North Africa and the Middle-East.

This weekend is expected to see even bigger crowds take to the streets to strengthen and extend the occupations. The right-wing PSOE government (with the support of the right-wing opposition PP) has attempted to ban the occupations without success. Since last night hundreds of workers have begun to turn up on the protests to support the students and warn the government against attempts to forcibly end the occupations.

This article provides information about the initial stages of the protests -
Spain: Youth protesters’ ‘Tahrir Square’ occupation | socialistworld.net (http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/5073)

This one outlines the current situation (and includes a video of the occupation in Madrid) -
Spain: Youth movement spreading | socialistworld.net (http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/5077)

Live video feed here -
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/live-webcast-biggest-spanish-protest-yet

[C. Flower]

Very interesting links. This thread has been looking at the build up of these protests and gives notice of a support demonstration at the Spire tomorrow (Saturday) at 2-5 p.m.

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=8159

A "manifesto" prepared at the Sol.


Items of agreement for the plural manifesto prepared during the morning of the 18th of May in Puerta del Sol.

Those assembled in Puerta del Sol, aware that this is an action in progress and of resistance, have agreed to declare the following:

After many years of apathy, a group of citizens of different ages and social backgrounds (students, teachers, librarians, unemployed, workers…) ENRAGED with their lack of representation and with the betrayals that are being conducted in the name of democracy, have met at Puerta del Sol with regard to the idea of Real Democracy.
Real Democracy is opposed to the gradual discrediting of institutions that claim to represent them, which have become mere agents of administration and management, in the service of the forces of international financial power.
The democracy that is promoted from corrupt bureaucratic apparatuses is simply a collection of sterile electoral exercises, in which the participation of citizens has no effect.
The discrediting of politics has brought with it the capture of words by those who cling on to power. We must recover words, restore their meaning so that language cannot be manipulated with the end of leaving the citizenry indefenceless and incapable of cohesive action.
But the examples of manipulation and the capture of language are numerous and constitute a tool of control and disinformation.
Real Democracy means putting proper names to the infamy we are living through: International Monetary Fund, European Central Bank, NATO, European Union, ratings agencies such as Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s, Partido Popular, PSOE, but there are many others and our obligation is to name them.
It is necessary to build a political discourse capable of rebuilding the social fabric, systematically rendered vulnerable through years of lies and corruption. We citizens have lost respect for the majoritarian political parties, but this is not the same as losing our critical faculties. On the contrary, we do not fear POLITICS. To stand up and speak is POLITICS. To seek alternatives of citizen participation is POLITICS.
One of our principal premises is a Reform of the Electoral Law that restores Democracy its true meaning: a government of citizens. A participative democracy.
We insist that we citizens united here make up a TRANSGENERATIONAL movement because we belong to various generations condemned to an intolerable loss of participation in the political decisions that shape their daily lives and their future.
We do not call for abstention, we demand the necessity that our vote has a real influence in our lives.
We are not here today to simply demand access to mortgages or because of insufficiencies in the labour market. THIS IS AN EVENT. And as such, a moment capable of giving new meanings to our actions and our speeches. This is born out of RAGE. But our RAGE is imagination, strength, citizen power.

[Apjp]

Very interesting links. This thread has been looking at the build up of these protests and gives notice of a support demonstration at the Spire tomorrow (Saturday) at 2-5 p.m.

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=8159

A "manifesto" prepared at the Sol.

Blogging on this later,any chance of publishing tonight? I hope as many people on here AS possible attend dublin and cork protests 2moro and we shld spam p.ie as theyve hundreds online at any 1 time
Im busy atm though so could you guys notify p.ie?

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[Fing Fers]

Great to see the Spanish taking to the streets, somehow I doubt they'll be slagged off like here for those who dare stand up for something they believe. Wish them best of luck.

[C. Flower]

Blogging on this later,any chance of publishing tonight? I hope as many people on here AS possible attend dublin and cork protests 2moro and we shld spam p.ie as theyve hundreds online at any 1 time
Im busy atm though so could you guys notify p.ie?

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Where and when is the Cork protest, and who is organising it ?

[C. Flower]

Live stream here too - http://www.soltv.tv/soltv/index.html

I'm merging the two threads on this to avoid confusion and to avoid splitting the discussion.

[Fing Fers]

Live stream here too - http://www.soltv.tv/soltv/index.html

I'm merging the two threads on this to avoid confusion and to avoid splitting the discussion.

Holy smoke, thats what I call a protest.

[Fing Fers]

I never even knew they were protesting in Spain until 5 mins ago. Not a peep about it on Royal TV (RTE) nor Sky or BBC, but why would they? That would only give off encouraging signals. What a rotten world those media people live in.

[C. Flower]

Support demonstration in Dublin tomorrow at the Spire. 2-5 p.m. Bring your own signs and banners.

[morticia]

I never even knew they were protesting in Spain until 5 mins ago. Not a peep about it on Royal TV (RTE) nor Sky or BBC, but why would they? That would only give off encouraging signals. What a rotten world those media people live in.

Twas in the print meedja yesterday, although not front page.

I wish them luck. I'm afraid that they are, in many ways, much worse off than people here; the dole there is lower and wages were always lower. We may have dropped further in % terms, but we were the fat of the land at the top of the boom...

[PaddyJoe]

Where and when is the Cork protest, and who is organising it ?
The Cork protest starts at 12 tomorrow in Grand Parade. Its being organised by a group of Spanish people working in the city.
Facebook page here:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=211967275501008

[Fing Fers]

Twas in the print meedja yesterday, although not front page.

I wish them luck. I'm afraid that they are, in many ways, much worse off than people here; the dole there is lower and wages were always lower. We may have dropped further in % terms, but we were the fat of the land at the top of the boom...

I only look at the pictures in the print meedja. We'll be down there with the Spanish over the next few years, its inevitable.

Interesting to see how this will play off, they could get a good turn out due to the Irish nature of, I cant go out to protest about local things cos your one will see me but, I can go and "look" at other people protesting, nothing wrong with that.

I might even pop down myself for a while considering 10,000 of the RIC are back @ the HQ's eating rich tea and playing pool.

[Apjp]

Where and when is the Cork protest, and who is organising it ?
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=211967275501008 Organized by a bunch of Spaniards!! haha just like the dublin one!!!! 314 so far say they'll come. 700 odd for dublin. not sure if i'll get blog up tonight or tomorrow. might just watch it all unfold as very exciting show atm the page says theres one in galway tomorrow too but i cant find a link for that-maybe twas canceled. dublin numbers more than treble of last nights. if these things get more notice in future could be huge. no one knows this is on cos it is spread so late
im gonna put it on p.ie in a few see if i can get a few extra

[Apjp]

Support demonstration in Dublin tomorrow at the Spire. 2-5 p.m. Bring your own signs and banners.

gonna use pizza box ha and just hold it up

[Fing Fers]

gonna use pizza box ha and just hold it up

Under section 21 of the criminal justice act their will be no pizza box's allowed, for the moment.

[ang]

Ryan Tubridy suggested there "were a few students gathered in Spain"

Nice picture here of a few at just one plaza the same can be found in all cities in Spain:-

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20110520elpepunac_55/XXLCO/Ies/Sol_desborda.jpg

[Apjp]

Ryan Tubridy suggested there "were a few students gathered in Spain"

Nice picture here of a few at just one plaza the same can be found in all cities in Spain:-

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20110520elpepunac_55/XXLCO/Ies/Sol_desborda.jpg

just shows he should be first to get booted out once the revolution comes. him and the rest of rte. tweeted dobbo ten times in last week to report news and the eegit just ignored me. The Irish media's incompetence and skilled propaganda is unrivalled in imperialist china.

[Fing Fers]

Ryan of the Brown Noser's with his golden tounge of Propaganda wouldnt dare speak the truth, how he gets away with it I've no idea. Thats a savage amount of people and still nothing in mainstream news.

[PaddyJoe]

Some superb photos here from The Atlantic:
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1hhglF/www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/05/a-defiant-spanish-revolution/100070/

[antiestablishmentarian]

Fantastic news- hopefully this will spread here too. I'm not too sure though: there has been little in the way of protesting by younger people since this started despite the fact we're bearing the brunt, with most looking at emigration or the dole as almost 'natural' given the situation.

[Apjp]

Ryan of the Brown Noser's with his golden tounge of Propaganda wouldnt dare speak the truth, how he gets away with it I've no idea. Thats a savage amount of people and still nothing in mainstream news.

I know! If sunday papers havent it all over front page they should all be shot! vb in particular should be producing goods. he's someone we rely on usually to be honest and truthful. he has been to date. no mention in his show yesterday? See Italy now is at it too? BTW Robin Wilson of Autonomy Ireland is on the Frontline next week. his group on fb have near 500 members and hes trying to start a new party to run in next local elections. hes a good chance of council seat as got good first pref vote at 750 for first GE. Hes interesting with some left leaning pro sovereignty policies and depending on how left they are in future, I am considering joining. but with ula convention coming up its an informed choice at this stage.

[PaddyJoe]

Fatntastic news- hopefully this will spread here too. I'm not too sure though: there has been little in the way of protesting by younger people since this started despite the fact we're bearing the brunt, with most looking at emigration or the dole as almost 'natural' given the situation.
Good to see how quickly the Dublin and Cork protests for today were organised. I hope there's a big turnout and that the example will finally strike some kind of spark among Irish people.
I'm not going to hold my breath though.

[Apjp]

http://www.rafaquesada.com/photoblog/?p=2270 Amsterdam now out in force in support of spaniards. protestr was yesterday. 811 people so far have said on fb they'll attend dublin one. cork one is underway as is galway one i think. any word on those yet?

[antiestablishmentarian]

Not a whisper Ap, I'd imagine we won't hear much about it either in the O'Reilly press/RTE. Also inclement weather out Wesht, so that'll put people off demonstrating.

[PaddyJoe]

Pics from the Spire:
http://ow.ly/i/bRW2
http://ow.ly/i/bRVI
http://yfrog.com/h7jm5rpj
http://twitpic.com/50ko7s
http://twitpic.com/50kly8

[DO'F]

We live in hope. The key to the oncoming possibly leftist revolution is the armys loyalty. The gardai should be restricted to local policing. We need more soldiers for foreign aid and they should run all major policing operations handed over to the army. I know soldiers and trust anyone who has had wages cut by 40% to stand by us. Gardai are like mets. Dont you all agree? I think we can trust our soldiers who are always the first to get hit in every budget

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Why always this talk of 'left' and 'right'? Immediately you are introducing division - why? Does that achieve anything positive? And army loyalty, almost as if you're counting on blood being shed; again, why? 'Gardai are like mets' - we ARE the Gardai. You think they're dropped from outer space? WE are the army, WE are the Gardai, WE are the bloody politicians even; we, the people, all of us, not an exalted and superior section on the left, right or centre. Jesus wept.

[Apjp]

Not a whisper Ap, I'd imagine we won't hear much about it either in the O'Reilly press/RTE. Also inclement weather out Wesht, so that'll put people off demonstrating.

Rte were there at start. 98fm too and dublins community online tv channel. Ive great videos and photos of irish+spanish together which ill put up bout 10pm cos ive to study law all evening! So glad ive booked spanish classes now! Their solidarity was incredible. Rbb was there and asked the crowd of circa 1000 to hold eu demonstration when troika come here in july. Fair play2him as sf and eirigi werent there.

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[C. Flower]

It was a great place to hold it. there may be another one tomorrow. great craic, homemade signs and cool slogans and chants. They will put the time and place up on fb tomorrow.

[Apjp]

It was a great place to hold it. there may be another one tomorrow. great craic, homemade signs and cool slogans and chants. They will put the time and place up on fb tomorrow.

Cant go 2moro bu will go next time again

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[C. Flower]

A lot more relaxed and fun than our protests. I almost feel I've been on a package tour...
:D

[Apjp]

A lot more relaxed and fun than our protests. I almost feel I've been on a package tour...
:D

Problem is that our irish 'revolution' page is used to slag other irish people instead of revolutionizing. No one knows bout rev.s in spain italy etc. cass we need our own fb and twitter pages as we have to act NOW! Ill volunteer but will need help. Im blogging on these matters about 930

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[Fing Fers]

It was a great place to hold it. there may be another one tomorrow. great craic, homemade signs and cool slogans and chants. They will put the time and place up on fb tomorrow.

Do they have a proper page or just one of those event things?

[Kev Bar]

Fantastic news- hopefully this will spread here too. I'm not too sure though: there has been little in the way of protesting by younger people since this started despite the fact we're bearing the brunt, with most looking at emigration or the dole as almost 'natural' given the situation.

It already has. Puting Paddy to shame a couple of hundred Spaniards were out in protest on O'Connell St this afternoon.

[C. Flower]

Do they have a proper page or just one of those event things?

Ive made contact, and I ll post details as soon as they come.

I did post a link to the fb page further back in this thread.

[Kev Bar]

Ive made contact, and I ll post details as soon as they come.

I did post a link to the fb page further back in this thread.

Quite surreal seeing an animated and good natured protest opposite the GPO opposing bail-out austerity - consisting exclusively of Spanish kids.

[C. Flower]

Quite surreal seeing an animated and good natured protest opposite the GPO opposing bail-out austerity - consisting exclusively of Spanish kids.

No it didn't, quite. I'd say there were at least a dozen Irish people there and as apjp said, rbb spoke at it. still I take your point. I think that irish people with money don't care and those without are too embarrassed.

Did you think of joining them?

[Fing Fers]

Ive made contact, and I ll post details as soon as they come.

I did post a link to the fb page further back in this thread.

Nice one, I can donate one of those gazebo things or a big f off family tent if they plan on camping out any time soon.

[Kev Bar]

No it didn't, quite. I'd say there were at least a dozen Irish people there and as apjp said, rbb spoke at it. still I take your point. I think that irish people with money don't care and those without are too embarrassed.

Did you think of joining them?

Yeah. Was there for a while,

[Apjp]

No it didn't, quite. I'd say there were at least a dozen Irish people there and as apjp said, rbb spoke at it. still I take your point. I think that irish people with money don't care and those without are too embarrassed.

Did you think of joining them?
I still think we underestimate ourselves. Why dont we just say **** it and start a movement ourselves if others wont? We dont all need to be socialists. Just do what it takes for referenda and justice! I will pledge 500 euros to the cause and spend every free evening I have this summer protesting. Its now or never and connolly et al waited for nobody. Tunisia etc started with hardly anyone
I suggest next friday at spire again as its our tahrir beside aul jim and the gpo
Lets say 1 pm for those on lunch
All I need is a megaphone and sleeping bag and maybe fingfers could bring his or her gazebo. Ill write on this in 3 hours and set up the fb and twitter pages and make all here interested admins. Sound reasonable? Iceland took ten months. Believe in urselves please!

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[Kev Bar]

I still think we underestimate ourselves. Why dont we just say **** it and start a movement ourselves if others wont? We dont all need to be socialists. Just do what it takes for referenda and justice! I will pledge 500 euros to the cause and spend every free evening I have this summer protesting. Its now or never and connolly et al waited for nobody. Tunisia etc started with hardly anyone
I suggest next friday at spire again as its our tahrir beside aul jim and the gpo
Lets say 1 pm for those on lunch
All I need is a megaphone and sleeping bag and maybe fingfers could bring his or her gazebo. Ill write on this in 3 hours and set up the fb and twitter pages and make all here interested admins. Sound reasonable? Iceland took ten months. Believe in urselves please!

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Post a notice on Mr Ballyhea's FB page. He has a platoon already mobilised.

[PaddyJoe]

Some nice clips from the Spire protest on Sound Migration blog:
http://soundmigration.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/solidarity-demo-in-dublin-with-spanishrevolution/

[Apjp]

Post a notice on Mr Ballyhea's FB page. He has a platoon already mobilised.

will do soon. doing the blog atm. cant upload mosta me videos for some reason or photos :(

[wickedfairy]

Max Keiser & Dr Paul Craig Roberts ex editor WSJ PLEASE WATCH & RT Press TV: http://t.co/xA5Wqnu

[morticia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13481592

well, BBC now leading it's news page with this story.....

apjp can now join the revolution by Ryanair....

[C. Flower]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13481592

well, BBC now leading it's news page with this story.....

apjp can now join the revolution by Ryanair....

No need. There were hundreds in OConnell Street.

[Apjp]

No need. There were hundreds in OConnell Street.

ok guys so i wont be blogging on this tonight BUT see the following:http://www.facebook.com/event.php?

eid=226001514076751http://twitter.com/#!/Eireannachrev

and you can email eirerevolutionanoisledothoil@gmail.com
Im gonna spend a few hours tweeting and posting to ballyhea 14 etc. the protest if for next friday at the spire for 1 p.m.-4 p.m. and my plea to join me in demonstrating on the event page is as follows:

' Hi. My names Andrew and like many people me age I don't want much from life, just to get a good job when I graduate in doing something I like. However, it's madness atm. Look, I know a lot of you like me don't read the newspapers. We don't watch RTE's bullshit or TV3 news etc. but we know things are getting out of hand with college fees too high, and your parents mortgages crippling their lives. The ECB is going to hike interest rates again, which without being boring, is why we need to leave the euro so we can protect homeowners. I know many people tune out and just watch Jedward and get on with their lives as best they can, because hey what else can ye do, right?

But I just want to say that it doesn't have to be like this. You don't have to agree with my politics to feel injusticed atm. I mean grants are being cut very heavily, many of you probably can't afford health insurance or the dentist and have to help family members pay their bills with any spare cash you find. Yes we has an election, but everything is still the same. Politicians still fly in jets, live on 6 figure wages and expenses at our expense driven round in bloody chariots to boot whilst you and I, future workers hopefully, see increases in suicides, depression, drug usage, domestic violence, health problems, mental health problems, youth drug usage due to poverty etc. 5'000 Irish people die every year from inequality and suicides are over double what they were three years ago.

But we can change this. A little country about 1'000 miles north of us called Iceland protested for 10 months and got a referendum on the unfair and cruel bank bailout forced on them. Spain has more unemployed people than the whole of Ireland's population. Ireland has more people out of work than the whole of Iceland's population. We all face the same problems, and as we speak Spain and Italy and Greece are fighting back via revolution.

Now just to finish I know it's not always easy to take things seriously as Irish people naturally probably all hate politicians-at least thats my view of the problem. But we dont need politicians to make our own choices. And the choice we now face is do we let the Gardai and the taxmen kill innocent people(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nM04G7eIiw&feature=youtu.be) or do we stand up for our rights with our friends from Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy and Iceland? Please, please make a stand and don't wait for me by any means. I've exams all this week, but I'll be holding a demonstration from 1-4 p.m. at the Spire, the heart of our capital by the GPO and Jim Larkins statue, which could be our tahrir square. I am willing to give what money I can spare to ensure a sustained democratic campaign of protest is held until we have our referendum, justice, equality, and our country back. The choice is yours. Please stand with me.'

Actually, can you make this a blog post cass? then we can retweet it! cheers.

[C. Flower]

ok guys so i wont be blogging on this tonight BUT see the following:http://www.facebook.com/event.php?

eid=226001514076751http://twitter.com/#!/Eireannachrev

and you can email eirerevolutionanoisledothoil@gmail.com

Im gonna spend a few hours tweeting and posting to ballyhea 14 etc. the protest if for next friday at the spire for 1 p.m.-4 p.m. and my plea to join me in demonstrating on the event page is as follows:

' Hi. My names Andrew and like many people me age I don't want much from life, just to get a good job when I graduate in doing something I like. However, it's madness atm. Look, I know a lot of you like me don't read the newspapers. We don't watch RTE's bullshit or TV3 news etc. but we know things are getting out of hand with college fees too high, and your parents mortgages crippling their lives. The ECB is going to hike interest rates again, which without being boring, is why we need to leave the euro so we can protect homeowners. I know many people tune out and just watch Jedward and get on with their lives as best they can, because hey what else can ye do, right?

But I just want to say that it doesn't have to be like this. You don't have to agree with my politics to feel injusticed atm. I mean grants are being cut very heavily, many of you probably can't afford health insurance or the dentist and have to help family members pay their bills with any spare cash you find. Yes we has an election, but everything is still the same. Politicians still fly in jets, live on 6 figure wages and expenses at our expense driven round in bloody chariots to boot whilst you and I, future workers hopefully, see increases in suicides, depression, drug usage, domestic violence, health problems, mental health problems, youth drug usage due to poverty etc. 5'000 Irish people die every year from inequality and suicides are over double what they were three years ago.

But we can change this. A little country about 1'000 miles north of us called Iceland protested for 10 months and got a referendum on the unfair and cruel bank bailout forced on them. Spain has more unemployed people than the whole of Ireland's population. Ireland has more people out of work than the whole of Iceland's population. We all face the same problems, and as we speak Spain and Italy and Greece are fighting back via revolution.

Now just to finish I know it's not always easy to take things seriously as Irish people naturally probably all hate politicians-at least thats my view of the problem. But we dont need politicians to make our own choices. And the choice we now face is do we let the Gardai and the taxmen kill innocent people(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nM04G7eIiw&feature=youtu.be) or do we stand up for our rights with our friends from Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy and Iceland? Please, please make a stand and don't wait for me by any means. I've exams all this week, but I'll be holding a demonstration from 1-4 p.m. at the Spire, the heart of our capital by the GPO and Jim Larkins statue, which could be our tahrir square. I am willing to give what money I can spare to ensure a sustained democratic campaign of protest is held until we have our referendum, justice, equality, and our country back. The choice is yours. Please stand with me.'

Actually, can you make this a blog post cass? then we can retweet it! cheers.

Yes, apjp, I was going to anywaY :D

[DO'F]

Not a whisper Ap, I'd imagine we won't hear much about it either in the O'Reilly press/RTE. Also inclement weather out Wesht, so that'll put people off demonstrating.

Spain, Amsterdam? For three months have been mailing every news outlet in every medium local and national, every week - over 1000 mails per update - trying to spread the protests in Ballyhea and Fermoy; zilch. We tend to forget the role the media (print media especially) played in the inflation of the property bubble; now it's as though they've taken a collective decision to ignore all protest. Even my own newspaper, the anti-establishment crusader - not interested. It will happen though, it will happen.

[DO'F]

Yes, apjp, I was going to anywaY :D

Andrew, what is with you and the Guards? I agree whole-heartedly and almost entirely with what you say here, but as I've said elsewhere, the Guards are our Guards, they are us, they too have been cut - wages and personnel; we need to get them onside from the start, not antagonised from the start. Inclusion, not alienation, that has to be the theme, one protest fits all.

[C. Flower]

Andrew, what is with you and the Guards? I agree whole-heartedly and almost entirely with what you say here, but as I've said elsewhere, the Guards are our Guards, they are us, they too have been cut - wages and personnel; we need to get them onside from the start, not antagonised from the start. Inclusion, not alienation, that has to be the theme, one protest fits all.

Could we move ahead without having to agree or disagree about the Gardai ?

It is a topic of debate in its own right, but I personally don't think we should let differing views on it stop protests against the bank bailout from being organised.

It's worth listening to the youtube Andrew posted. There are a lot of cases like this.

[Apjp]

Could we move ahead without having to agree or disagree about the Gardai ?

It is a topic of debate in its own right, but I personally don't think we should let differing views on it stop protests against the bank bailout from being organised.

It's worth listening to the youtube Andrew posted. There are a lot of cases like this.

I posted a youtube?? My videos wouldnt upload from my phone if you mean the ones on the spanish march earlier! they're too big apparently! anyways can ballyhea please follow #eirerevolutionanois as you've been an inspiration to us all so far. Re. Gardai I just think the army can be trusted with national security matters and the gardai cant. they should be a regional policeforce in my opinion. but we can debate that elsewhere. also can you add in to blogpost to fb eirerevolutionanoisledothoil.

[C. Flower]

I posted a youtube?? My videos wouldnt upload from my phone if you mean the ones on the spanish march earlier! they're too big apparently! anyways can ballyhea please follow #eirerevolutionanois as you've been an inspiration to us all so far. Re. Gardai I just think the army can be trusted with national security matters and the gardai cant. they should be a regional policeforce in my opinion. but we can debate that elsewhere. also can you add in to blogpost to fb eirerevolutionanoisledothoil.

Ballyhea people are marching at 10 30 tomorrow. Make your sign and be there :}

[Apjp]

Ballyhea people are marching at 10 30 tomorrow. Make your sign and be there :}

haha. if i had a car, driving license and fuel money id be tempted! im adding dozens of people as friends for the fb group to gain maximum exposure. i hope it will grow in time.

[Griska]

haha. if i had a car, driving license and fuel money id be tempted! im adding dozens of people as friends for the fb group to gain maximum exposure. i hope it will grow in time.

Come on Ap.
If you were serious, you'd sell that snazy new phone of yours and take the train;):D

[C. Flower]

Time to get out there. Bohrans, signs, or whatever.

Hitch a ride, or go to your local protest. Or start one locally.

#spanishrevolution

[Apjp]

Come on Ap.
If you were serious, you'd sell that snazy new phone of yours and take the train;):D

:D hey that phone took me three weeks work haha 89 on sale as well which was good!

[Griska]

:D hey that phone took me three weeks work haha 89 on sale as well which was good!

:):):)

[Apjp]

Time to get out there. Bohrans, signs, or whatever.

Hitch a ride, or go to your local protest. Or start one locally.

#spanishrevolution

I know. seriously considering getting a megaphone and sleeping bag and only leaving for work once exams are over! acampdaparis:Our first camping night in #acampadaparis. #nonosvamos #yeswecamp #acampadasol So the spanish and french and italians are all doing it now. the dutch were out in force yesterday and iceland and greece set the bar. Portugal wont be far behind them either. Ive apparently 13 confirmed guests to the protest next friday so far. hopefully next time the camera will bloody upload it for me!

[PaddyJoe]

I like this one:)
The only Spanish guy in Omsk puts together his protest and gets it online:D
That's Lenin behind him by the way and he says in the blog that they are the only two revolutionaries in Omsk!
http://sovietrussia.es/concentracion-democracia-real-ya-en-siberia/#more-537

[Apjp]

I like this one:)
The only Spanish guy in Omsk puts together his protest and gets it online:D
That's Lenin behind him by the way and he says in the blog that they are the only two revolutionaries in Omsk!
http://sovietrussia.es/concentracion-democracia-real-ya-en-siberia/#more-537

One wonders for russia. I doubt weve seen the last of the soviets as imf has decimated that country

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[C. Flower]

I like this one:)
The only Spanish guy in Omsk puts together his protest and gets it online:D
That's Lenin behind him by the way and he says in the blog that they are the only two revolutionaries in Omsk!
http://sovietrussia.es/concentracion-democracia-real-ya-en-siberia/#more-537

:)

[Peter Dow]

There's a Spanish president in there somewhere!


BBC: Spanish polls to open amid mass protests (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13488385)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52883000/jpg/_52883842_012037555-1.jpg
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The protest in Madrid's Puerta del Sol square has remained peaceful

Spain is poised to begin voting in regional elections as thousands of young protesters remain camped out in squares across the country.

Demonstrators are angry at the government's economic policies and Spain's high youth unemployment rate.

Their numbers have swelled despite a ban on political protests ahead of elections.

The governing Socialists are expected to suffer major losses in voting for city councils and regional governments.

Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's government is struggling to overcome recession and create jobs.

In the capital Madrid, about 30,000 people have occupied the central Puerta del Sol square.

Similar protests, popularly known as M-15, have sprung up in many other cities including Barcelona, Valencia, Seville and Bilbao.

My solidarity, my best wishes and my love to the Spanish demonstrators.

Queen - Las Palabras De Amor (Subtitulada) (YouTube) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AHuIOBnYSk)

[C. Flower]

Now we've had a little grouse about social media outlets, the Spanish protests should perhaps get a look in again.

Mod. CF

[Apjp]

Now we've had a little grouse about social media outlets, the Spanish protests should perhaps get a look in again.

Mod. CF

Have some posts been removed from this thread? looks smaller

[C. Flower]

Have some posts been removed from this thread? looks smaller

I made a separate thread for your Spire protest plan.

Some pictures from Cork

http://wsm.ie/sites/default/files/images/DSCN0408small.jpg


http://wsm.ie/sites/default/files/images/DSCN0424small.jpg

[Sam Lord]

The demonstrators in Spain appear to have their own TV station.

http://www.soltv.tv/soltv2/index.html

Edit:

Well a live webcam anyway ...

[Apjp]

The demonstrators in Spain appear to have their own TV station.

http://www.soltv.tv/soltv2/index.html

Edit:

Well a live webcam anyway ...

I like dublin community tv. always see them at all the protests, though to be fair rte and 98fm covered the dublin one the last day and i think cork and galways local stations covered the protests there.

[Peter Dow]

Spanish Revolution. #SpanishRevolution Las Palabras De Amor (YouTube) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZl3UXjw9xk)

The 2011 May Spanish protests, also referred to as the 15-M Movement, Spanish revolution or Indignados (Spanish for "Outraged") are a series of demonstrations in Spain whose origin can be traced to social networks and the ¡Democracia Real Ya! (Real Democracy Now!) civilian digital platform, along with 200 other small associations.

The video features photographs of the 2011 Spanish revolution protests and solidarity People of Europe Rise Up for Real Democracy protests in London, Edinburgh and Berlin.

The music used is by Queen: "Las Palabras De Amor".
Music by Brian May, Sung by Freddie Mercury.

This is a partisan video which promotes republican leadership of the Spanish revolution 2011.

The video recalls and celebrates the inspiration of the Second Spanish Republic 1931-1939 cut short by the defeat to the forces of the Fascist General Franco, using recordings of the republican leader Dolores Ibárruri, "La Pasionaria".

Not my video this next one, but pretty good!

Spanish Revolution. Join the #SpanishRevolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2xuSHdjZ00)

[Holly]

If all the Spanish protesters want is a job for everyone, then electing right-wing governments in local elections is a first step. Next they might seek to have Franco's name returned to government buildings and streets.
On the other hand, the Parti Popular, while strongly Catholic, is no friend of the ordinary people who have turned against Zapatero and should they be returned to national office next year we can expect fireworks on the regional autonomy front.

[Apjp]

If all the Spanish protesters want is a job for everyone, then electing right-wing governments in local elections is a first step. Next they might seek to have Franco's name returned to government buildings and streets.
On the other hand, the Parti Popular, while strongly Catholic, is no friend of the ordinary people who have turned against Zapatero and should they be returned to national office next year we can expect fireworks on the regional autonomy front.

I have just been at an amazing meeting which opened me eyes. This is bigger than elections. Its a european revolution. The electoral system in spain favours bigger parties like ours here does re transfers. The spanish far left got 7% of the vote, in spite of this! Basques socialist party got 25% of that countrys vote! Exciting times ahead. Im changing protest info etc to merge with euro dublin movement. Protest now on saturday at 2 instead and id ask cass to take down the blog, with apologies, and ill replace it with blogs im submitting to this movement over coming days

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[C. Flower]

I have just been at an amazing meeting which opened me eyes. This is bigger than elections. Its a european revolution. The electoral system in spain favours bigger parties like ours here does re transfers. The spanish far left got 7% of the vote, in spite of this! Basques socialist party got 25% of that countrys vote! Exciting times ahead. Im changing protest info etc to merge with euro dublin movement. Protest now on saturday at 2 instead and id ask cass to take down the blog, with apologies, and ill replace it with blogs im submitting to this movement over coming days

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apjp please provide details of the new arrangement and I'll amend your blog.

[Apjp]

apjp please provide details of the new arrangement and I'll amend your blog.

Ive just deleted it. Can i send you a new one? Much of it looks distorted and out of place and we discussed good ideas at the meeting I'd like to include. im really sorry about all the trouble as only found out about this event earlier today. Ill understand if your angry at me but the blog post is now irrelevant as things have moved on so much since I wrote it last Saturday even. Sorry again about this.

[C. Flower]

Ive just deleted it. Can i send you a new one? Much of it looks distorted and out of place and we discussed good ideas at the meeting I'd like to include. im really sorry about all the trouble as only found out about this event earlier today. Ill understand if your angry at me but the blog post is now irrelevant as things have moved on so much since I wrote it last Saturday even. Sorry again about this.

Here it is apjp - looks all right to me. I think we should add a notice about the changes.
http://itsapoliticalworld.wordpress.com/

There's a blog from Theresa that I'm putting up tonight as it relates to a Dail meeting on Wed.

[PaddyJoe]

A few updates from the Plaza de Sol.
The organisers have decided tthat the camp will remain in place until next Sunday at least while business owners based in the area have written to the Interior Minister demanding that the square be cleared because takings are down.
Posters and graffiti are being removed from shop windows by the camp movement at the request of the local businesses.
Committees dealing with infrastructure, food supplies, legal affairs, and communications among others have been organised.
Meetings are being organised at local level in the 'barrios' to extend the scale of the movement.
Meanwhile around a hundred protestors briefly took over a local tv station in Murcia to protest against biased news coverage.

[Apjp]

Here it is apjp - looks all right to me. I think we should add a notice about the changes.
http://itsapoliticalworld.wordpress.com/

There's a blog from Theresa that I'm putting up tonight as it relates to a Dail meeting on Wed.

Ok. you do have experience in editing, and I think you'll need it as I'll have a lot to add. Are you prepared for a 2 part blog if necessary? I'll work on it tomorrow and send it on Thursday probably, maybe tomorrow afternoon. but its late now and i need my 5 hours. Can you just take it down for the time being and please retweet that the protest is on saturday at 2pm at the spire now instead and that apjp will blog on this tomorrow afternoon. Ill actually defo do it for ye tomorrow afternoon now due to pressing need of avoiding people coming friday if possible, though ill prob still go for 10 mins on way home and make sure there are no uninformed stragglers

[Apjp]

A few updates from the Plaza de Sol.
The organisers have decided tthat the camp will remain in place until next Sunday at least while business owners based in the area have written to the Interior Minister demanding that the square be cleared because takings are down.
Posters and graffiti are being removed from shop windows by the camp movement at the request of the local businesses.
Committees dealing with infrastructure, food supplies, legal affairs, and communications among others have been organised.
Meetings are being organised at local level in the 'barrios' to extend the scale of the movement.
Meanwhile around a hundred protestors briefly took over a local tv station in Murcia to protest against biased news coverage.

was told only 200 people in madrid today by a spaniard. i cant believe it. seems they want another manifesto drawn up pronto to make it a 1968. btw little known fact as 8 million/50 million francais took over the country in 1968 during a 4 week revolution, de gaulle had left the country at one stage and he was sure the game was up. just shows never underestimate the power of these things-although it seems to be increasing in strength in italy especially, but also in france, holland and germany whilst the spanish one evens out in all likelihood. greece is still the hotbed of course

[Holly]

If this trend continues and the socialists take a pounding from the electorate with a massive return of the Parti Polular, the Guardia Civil are in for some exciting times whipping the anarchists into shape.

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j480/rogerduke1/Guardia-1.jpg

[PaddyJoe]

If this trend continues and the socialists take a pounding from the electorate with a massive return of the Parti Polular, the Guardia Civil are in for some exciting times whipping the anarchists into shape.

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j480/rogerduke1/Guardia-1.jpg

It could get very interesting indeed. Spain is only 30 years away from the 'dictadura' and there's a very long history of military coups. Nothing is calculated to inflame the right more than an upsurge in regional nationalism and growing anti austerity protests on the streets.
The army and police tend to get very restive when they feel that Spain's 'stability' is under threat.

[PaddyJoe]

Barcelona play Man U in the Champion's League final on Saturday in London. Usually in such a case the big screens are installed in the Plaza de Catalunya where the celebrations take place. However, the screens are now to be installed in another part of the city centre because of the protest camp.

[C. Flower]

Barcelona play Man U in the Champion's League final on Saturday in London. Usually in such a case the big screens are installed in the Plaza de Catalunya where the celebrations take place. However, the screens are now to be installed in another part of the city centre because of the protest camp.

Things are hotting up generally. Generally politically and economically bankrupt, some of these governments will try reaching for their uniformed friends to keep them in place.

No fools to keep the soccer supporters and demonstrators apart. The Supporters' Clubs in Egypt played a very honorable role in the Tahrir Square events, being the best organised groups. A number of their members were killed by the police thugs.

[Andrew49]

From a FB friend over there:

This is the view of the revolt of the Spanish (and not Spanish), in the "Plaza de Sol" in Madrid. A certain group of people called "indignados" (outraged) camping there since last Monday March 15th. They are seeking constitutional change, inspired by the movement that was in Iceland and Greece.

The media did not posted this movement is. These media are managed by political parties who rule the country or the regions. So I choose Facebook as a means of transmission. The media tries to say it is a movement of young drug addicts, who are only going to smoke marijuana and drink alcohol. But if you go there you will find from elders to teens who do not drink nor smoke. Moreover, the movement is not violent, it's just camp there, with silence as a weapon.

You can also receive information as it is a movement of anarchist or communist ideology, but it is not. The "indignados" have no political preferences, they are simply looking for a change.

With this notice I hope that you support this movement, spreading the message around the world to make known the current situation in this country.

¡Gracias y, perdonadme las molestias!

http://www.periodistas-es.org/images/stories/NOT201102/ES-indignados-Madrid.jpg

PD.: forgive my poor English speaking

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Seems to me that this generation of Spaniards (and not Spaniards) don't belong to the Four-Eyes generation:


IPad
IPhone
IPod
I'm alright Jack

[DO'F]

That's a great crowd PJ.

I wish the Irish had this sort of stamina

Stamina? This Sunday, the Ballyhea protest will be in its 13th week, and going on tour, heading for Thurles, 12 noon, a jaunt around the square, starting at the car-park adjacent to Coppinger's Bar; on Tue, we're starting our Run To The Dáil from the parish, 150 miles over three days, ending with a march on Friday June 3rd from Parnell Square (Garden of Remembrance) to the Dáil, to hand in our petition against the terms deal of last November to whoever deigns to meet us.
Details of the march and the run on this site, and this little bonus piece thrown in!
http://thechatteringmagpie14.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-feidir-linn.html
Any support we can get is appreciated - join us, share the word, anything you can do.

[C. Flower]

Stamina? This Sunday, the Ballyhea protest will be in its 13th week, and going on tour, heading for Thurles, 12 noon, a jaunt around the square, starting at the car-park adjacent to Coppinger's Bar; on Tue, we're starting our Run To The Dáil from the parish, 150 miles over three days, ending with a march on Friday June 3rd from Parnell Square (Garden of Remembrance) to the Dáil, to hand in our petition against the terms deal of last November to whoever deigns to meet us.
Details of the march and the run on this site, and this little bonus piece thrown in!
http://thechatteringmagpie14.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-feidir-linn.html
Any support we can get is appreciated - join us, share the word, anything you can do.

If the "Democracy Now" gathering at the Spire is on that Saturday, it would be excellent, blisters permitting, if you would be able to be there.

[DO'F]

If the "Democracy Now" gathering at the Spire is on that Saturday, it would be excellent, blisters permitting, if you would be able to be there.

Blisters permitting, I'm also going to run the Cork Marathon on the Monday, June 6th, for charity (Children's Leukaemia Association, www.mycharity.ie), and there are also two Leinster senior hurling quarter-finals on that evening, which would make things awkward. Will do my best though.

[C. Flower]

Blisters permitting, I'm also going to run the Cork Marathon on the Monday, June 6th, for charity (Children's Leukaemia Association, www.mycharity.ie), and there are also two Leinster senior hurling quarter-finals on that evening, which would make things awkward. Will do my best though.

Your best will be good enough :)

Meeting on now, to organise the Dublin weekend protest - I only just saw this.


Time
Wednesday, May 25 · 7:00pm - 10:00pm
Location
Seomra Spraoi
Created By
Por una democracia real Ya!. Dublin se une. For a true democracy now Dublin, Elena Montes Macías, Federico GonzalezShow all (6)
More Info
http://seomraspraoi.org/

http://seomraspraoi.org/copy_of_contact-us

I hope to see you there to organsie the protest on Saturday! :)

[Apjp]

http://defaultnowwithnewpuntandstopdelayingtherevolution. wordpress.com/ Hope Cf can retweet and Re FB this! Its on european revolution with more information and links. also i couldnt make meeting tonight as confused location. will blog on last nights meeting tomorrow or friday before the protest. Gave the excellent ballyhea and fermoy folk a mention

[People Korps]

Riot cops attack protesters in Barcelona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqXHOe7FrL8&feature=player_embedded#at=171

[Kev Bar]

Riot cops attack protesters in Barcelona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqXHOe7FrL8&feature=player_embedded#at=171

A distinct lack of ambiguity going down there.

[PaddyJoe]

So much for beating people around the place. It looks like Operatiion Reconstruction is steaming ahead:
Operación reconstrucción
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2011/05/27/actualidad/1306513114_981741.html

[C. Flower]

More footage here of the Catalunya riot police laying in to a peaceful demonstration in Barcelona

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=6837

[PaddyJoe]

"Indignadas' protests continue in Spain with the focus moving to the Congress(parliament) building this evening in opposition to the passage of new labour laws on Friday.
Clip from El País included in the link:
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2011/06/08/actualidad/1307557415_866426.html

[C. Flower]

"Indignadas' protests continue in Spain with the focus moving to the Congress(parliament) building this evening in opposition to the passage of new labour laws on Friday.
Clip from El País included in the link:
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2011/06/08/actualidad/1307557415_866426.html

Saw tweets earlier from people trying to decide whether to move their tents up there :)

[Sam Lord]

An extensive critique, for what it is worth, of the Spanish Democracy Now movement by a spanish anarchist (I think):



Far from revealing, let alone attacking, the roots of the problem, the Real Democracy Now movement congeals a widespread and critical resistance into a univocal posture of opposition devoid of content.


http://www.counterpunch.org/gelderloos06072011.html

[PaddyJoe]

Saw tweets earlier from people trying to decide whether to move their tents up there :)
And have now gone back to the Puerta de Sol for the rest of the night with the intention of returning to Congress on Thursday. This decision making on the hoof must be a pain in the backside for the authorities:D

[C. Flower]

An extensive critique, for what it is worth, of the Spanish Democracy Now movement by a spanish anarchist (I think):



http://www.counterpunch.org/gelderloos06072011.html

A very good article. This is what's going on in the Dublin group too. It needs to be tackled. I'll put a thread up in the morning.

[PaddyJoe]

An extensive critique, for what it is worth, of the Spanish Democracy Now movement by a spanish anarchist (I think):



http://www.counterpunch.org/gelderloos06072011.html
Anarchist yes, but an American living in Spain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Nonviolence_Protects_the_State

[C. Flower]

A very good article. This is what's going on in the Dublin group too. It needs to be tackled. I'll put a thread up in the morning.

Too much is being asked of these assemblies - and not enough, at the same time.

They are an informal gatherings of people who need to share a fairly clear goal: if not, why come together. They shouldn't be hijacked by parties, but trying to make them apolitical is patently absurd. They need to work with the trade unions and the parties who share their goals. The article rightly says that these things need to be worked through.

[PaddyJoe]

I think there's a certain amount of disenchantment creeping in to the Spanish indignados movement over the last week or so.
Its easy enough to be 'against' things but it seems to be very difficult to get an heterogenous group of peoplel like this to agree a common set of aims.
Issues like the current attempt to reform labour laws at least provide a focus for opposition.

[PaddyJoe]

Police broke up a protest in front of the Valencian parliament today as the PP took over after the recent elections. 20 injuries and 6 arrests. Looks like a new hard line by the police there.

[C. Flower]

I think there's a certain amount of disenchantment creeping in to the Spanish indignados movement over the last week or so.
Its easy enough to be 'against' things but it seems to be very difficult to get an heterogenous group of peoplel like this to agree a common set of aims.
Issues like the current attempt to reform labour laws at least provide a focus for opposition.

This is very true. In North Africa the demand is very simple - the dictatorial regime must go. Ironically, the "Democracy Now!" movements in the EU are operating in democracies - in some cases they have only just had elections.

They are more like the Icelandic protests - a head of pressure that eventually forced a general election.

But they do give people the experience of feeling the strength of numbers, and of organising themselves.

[C. Flower]

A good video, with subtitles in English, spells out demands of the movement and calls for a mass protest against the Europact on June 19th

YouTube - ‪On the 19th of June of 2011 Take the streets against the Euro-pact‬‏

[C. Flower]

Live stream of today's protests in Madrid

http://www.livestream.com/spanishrevolutionsol

[PaddyJoe]

Around 2000 indignados attempting to blockade the Catalan parliament building tonight in an effort to prevent deputies voting through budget cuts tomorrow.
Police have closed the public Parque de de la Ciutadella in which the building is situated and the stand off is continuing.

[PaddyJoe]

Chaotic stuff in Barcelona today as MPs were brought in using police vans and in the case of the opposition leader, Arturo Mas, in a helicopter! The chamber remained half empty for much of the morning as deputies were brought through the lines of protesters.

[PaddyJoe]

Interesting bit of footage here as supposed viiolent 'protesters' are escorted away by the police;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcmvzRvsf8g

[PaddyJoe]

Marchers from all over Spain are arriving in Madrid this evening for a major rally in Sol tomorrow:

MADRID — Several hundred Spaniards angry about their country’s economic crisis protested on the outskirts of Madrid Saturday after spending about a month marching to the capital from their hometowns.
The marchers set off from Barcelona and Bilbao in the north, Valencia in the east and Cadiz in the southwest on June 25. En route, they were joined by other people angry about Spain’s economic woes, including high unemployment, and what they see as their government’s inept handling of the crisis.
Five columns of marchers are due to converge on downtown Sol square, adjacent to Madrid’s town hall, for a large rally on Sunda
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/marches-protesting-unemployment-and-spains-leadership-converge-on-madrid/2011/07/23/gIQAHNfJVI_story.html

[truth.ie]

jesus. Walking to Madrid from Barcelona or Bilbao is epic.
In mid summer, it's a feat of human endurance.

[wickedfairy]

best of luck to them all, saw the crowds tonight, epic. Wish I was there tonight, I am jealous.

[Apjp]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/marches-protesting-unemployment-and-spains-leadership-converge-on-madrid/2011/07/23/gIQAHNfJVI_story.html


Many volunteers offered to act as cooks for us, preparing marvelous dishes which enabled us to keep up our strength. It’s been a very positive experience,” said Puerta, who hails from the northern port city of Bilbao.

Puerta said many of the young unemployed people who have marched on Madrid PLAN TO CONTINUE ON TO BRUSSELS.

“We want to arrive there in EARLY OCTOBER, to keep our cause in the public eye,” she said.

The next big dates are 17th of september in the US when protesters are calling for at least 20'000 people to pack out wall street and demand the FED stands down(and in Dublin too that week when the Dail returns, there are 2-3 big protests planned by the real opposition) and the 15th of October for the various RDM camps across Europe and internationally(in the US, some south american countries perhaps-Chile especially leads the way here with youth marches- and hopefully elsewhere. I can easily get a train to brussels from dijon or paris of a 3 day weekend...

[Apjp]

http://defaultnowwithnewpuntandstopdelayingtherevolution. wordpress.com/ I'd appreciate a new thread. this is seriously heavy stuff, with one link no one here has seen yet if im not mistaken. Geithner wants the debt ceiling raised cos GS and he has gambled away 20bn of american pensions. Also, max keiser recently said he took 8 bn USD from the FED, flew off to Iraq and the money just vanished..and the americans will hopefully pack out wall street on sept 17th

[Apjp]

Any word on the madrid march yet?!

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[Apjp]

http://twitpic.com/5v8fwq some thousands gather in Granada square. That's good as Granada is a small Spanish city, about half the population of the Greater Tallaght area.

[Apjp]

http://roarmag.org/2011/07/indignados-re-occupy-puerta-del-sol/ Despite PcMg's link to the Post, there are not hundreds but TENS OF THOUSANDS marching in Madrid all weekend, and elsewhere across the country as in the Granda link several hundred miles to the south of madrid which I already posted above. this is yesterdays pic-todays reputedly believed to be similar. See below:::



Indignados re-occupy Puerta del Sol

by Jérôme E. Roos on July 24, 2011
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Yesterday, the popular marches of the indignant arrived in Madrid — and took back the square. Another major demonstration is planned for today.

On Saturday, the indignados brought much of Madrid to a standstill as the popular marches arrived in the city, taking six different routes from all over the country and culminating in a spectacular re-occupation of Puerta del Sol by tens of thousands of protesters.

And so, a month and a half after the original protest camp was broken down, Sol looks like Sol again. With an incredible degree of professionalism, the indignados set up a TV and radio studio, a communications center, a major kitchen, a sound installation, a clinic and more — all in one night.

Some of the marchers had been walking for over 500 kilometers as part of a campaign to spread awareness about the 15-M movement and its demands to the Spanish countryside and to hold popular assemblies with people who otherwise have little opportunity to participate given their geographic location.

The marches received a warm welcome from thousands of indignados and sympathizers as they arrived in Puerta del Sol from six different angles. In the evening, a major popular assembly was held which was closed off with live music. Today, tens of thousands are expected to take to the streets again for a major march through Madrid.

Also, in a sign that the movement is rapidly maturing into a serious platform for civic engagement and political activism, the 15-M movement has scheduled it’s first Social Forum for Monday.

Pictures, videos and more updates coming soon!

[Apjp]

Bank of Spain fully protect their interests http://yfrog.com/kle38kdtj besieged while entire families evicted # marchasunidas Stunned at the lack of comment here. Must be the weather :P

[Apjp]

http://www.livestream.com/spanishrevolutionsol/ Live link. would appreciate if a spanish speaker could update me :P

[Apjp]

http://yfrog.com/z/kk4bvjxj more photos of the spanish marches...http://yfrog.com/z/kj332qgj 'Capitalism is the real Terrorism.' with spaniards carrying greek flags :)

[Fugee]

Fair play to the Spanish, no IMF there yet either.

There must be no Spanish version of East Enders or Cornonation Street.

[Apjp]

Fair play to the Spanish, no IMF there yet either.

There must be no Spanish version of East Enders or Cornonation Street.

I know. they are far more clued in than us in my view-I hesitate to call irish people stupid. Ignorance and variating degrees of apathy are what stop it from spreading here..for now at least.

[Apjp]

im off to do the local news for the chronicle with Granda. When I get back I expect a lively discussion and more good news of protests elsewhere :D

[PaddyJoe]

Live streaming from Madrid's Puerta de Sol here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/enlace33

[C. Flower]

Live streaming from Madrid's Puerta de Sol here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/enlace33

A good crowd. Looks hot.

[PaddyJoe]

A good crowd. Looks hot.
High temps in Spain all this week, I think. A lot of people get out of Madrid in late July and August because it gets uncomfortably hot.
All the more kudos to the marchers.

[Apjp]

High temps in Spain all this week, I think. A lot of people get out of Madrid in late July and August because it gets uncomfortably hot.
All the more kudos to the marchers.

http://takethesquare.net/2011/07/23/mpi23j-minute-by-minute-from-indignant-marches-to-globalrevolution/


As this link shows, many marches were held over the weekend(not sure what rdn ireland,ula etc were doing as every other rdn camp marched internationally and had live feeds to madrid)

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[PaddyJoe]

Spain's indignados marchers are heading on to Brussels

Spanish activists, known as "the Indignants", have set off from Madrid on a long march to Brussels.

They are protesting against what they see as governments bowing to financial markets and ignoring the needs of their own people in the economic crisis.

As they head north, the protesters plan to hold meetings, collecting complaints and proposals as they go.

Since the movement began in Madrid two months ago, similar groups have sprung up across Europe.

The Indignants have added a new chant to their repertoire: "To Brussels!" they sing.

It will have to keep their spirits up for fully 1,000 miles (more than 1,500k), as they march across three countries.

Many of them have already spent weeks on the road, walking across Spain to Madrid, says the BBC's Sarah Rainsford in the Spanish capital.


Protesters from across Spain gathered in Madrid last weekend. Next stop; Brussels
Following a mass rally there, the Indignants are heading for the heart of Europe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14302607?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Griska]

The Indignants have added a new chant to their repertoire: "To Brussels!" they sing.

Well, I hope they're a bit more creative with their words when they get there.

Good on them, though.
Hopefully they stir it a bit in each of the countries they march through.

To Brussels, though.
Surely they can do better?

[C. Flower]

There has been a tradition of such marches. The Jarrow Hunger March of the 20s? 30s?, the Right to Work marches of the 70s. Wasn't there one in the French Revolution too?

If they are marching to Brussels to ask the EU to change policy, I don't think it will work.
But good luck to them if they are out to raise awareness of what is happening.

I agree with you Griska - a bit more political content would help, with the slogans. Why shout out a road sign ?

[PaddyJoe]

Sol was cleared for the second time early this morning. The Sol metro has been closed and police vans are blocking entrances to the square to prevent the indignados from retaking it this evening.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fecodiario.eleconomista.es%2Fespana% 2Fnoticias%2F3273527%2F08%2F11%2FLa-Policia-concluye-el-desalojo-de-los-ultimos-acampados-del-Prado-y-Sol.html&act=url

[C. Flower]

Sol was cleared for the second time early this morning. The Sol metro has been closed and police vans are blocking entrances to the square to prevent the indignados from retaking it this evening.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fecodiario.eleconomista.es%2Fespana% 2Fnoticias%2F3273527%2F08%2F11%2FLa-Policia-concluye-el-desalojo-de-los-ultimos-acampados-del-Prado-y-Sol.html&act=url

It is worth noting that Tahrir was cleared yesterday and Syntagma the day before. I'd say that there are a few "Eurocop" and wider discussions going on about these encampments.

The organisers may want to contemplate the idea that the State Forces are not too interested in whether or not they are organised through political parties and trade unions - they just want to all opposition to "austerity" (aka mass impoverishment of the majority/limos for the few) out of the way.

A bit more mass organisation would not go amiss, from the point of view of maintaining one's ground under pressure.

[PaddyJoe]

Thousands out in Madrid tonight. Protestors have moved on to the Plaza de Cibeles.
http://lockerz.com/s/126015313
http://yfrog.com/hsvxnkgj
Video from Gran Via:
http://yfrog.com/jujvcdz

[C. Flower]

Thousands out in Madrid tonight. Protestors have moved on to the Plaza de Cibeles.
http://lockerz.com/s/126015313
http://yfrog.com/hsvxnkgj
Video from Gran Via:
http://yfrog.com/jujvcdz


Ha! :)

[PaddyJoe]

Ha! :)
The pollce blockade of the square has really angered people and very probably re-energised the Demcracy Now movement. Completely counter productive from the government point of view:)

[C. Flower]

The pollce blockade of the square has really angered people and very probably re-energised the Demcracy Now movement. Completely counter productive from the government point of view:)

Would the Spanish bond price and the imminent arrival of the IMF have raised the temperature ?

[PaddyJoe]

Would the Spanish bond price and the imminent arrival of the IMF have raised the temperature ?
That's the other big issue in Spain today. Also the calling of a General Election for the 20th November last Friday. November looks a very long time away...in fact even September looks like aeons away...a lot could happen before then.

[Apjp]

There has been a tradition of such marches. The Jarrow Hunger March of the 20s? 30s?, the Right to Work marches of the 70s. Wasn't there one in the French Revolution too?

If they are marching to Brussels to ask the EU to change policy, I don't think it will work.
But good luck to them if they are out to raise awareness of what is happening.

I agree with you Griska - a bit more political content would help, with the slogans. Why shout out a road sign ?

The most famous in world history has to be mao's long march across china during the civil war.

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[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

One of the funniest things about the attempt to use police to shut down legitimate protest is the way the police think that the governments concerned will protect their interests.

In the UK yesterday the police were told that on top of losing approx £2,000 in job perks and benefits already announced they are going to have to have some £4,000 per annum in extra deductions to make up for a shortfall in their pension black hole.

Its always funny watching the realisation dawn on uniformed muppets that they are going to be screwed too.

Just wait until the Gardai are told the same in Ireland- the gobshytes who saw assaulting kids as 'protecting the system' against students are too slow to realise that their pay is going to be reduced as well when the attack on the PS pay and conditions starts- which shouldn't be long now.

[PaddyJoe]

Sol has remained sealed off by the police since Tuesday and the underground metro/rail station has been closed each evening at 6pm. It hasn't prevented demonstrations taking place for the last two nights in the streets near the square.
Peaceful up to now but there are reports tonight of baton charges by riot police.

[Apjp]

Sol has remained sealed off by the police since Tuesday and the underground metro/rail station has been closed each evening at 6pm. It hasn't prevented demonstrations taking place for the last two nights in the streets near the square.
Peaceful up to now but there are reports tonight of baton charges by riot police.

I read a link in spanish(the latin words i understood from my french) which said more or less, as far as someone who cannot speak spanish could make out, that a letter is to be released tomorrow that will say officially that the spanish police union is against the politicians and is in favour of the indignados, or at least a number of them(it could be like the way 5%-10% of our gardai are in the GRA which is against austerity/state extortion). 'c'est une bombe' was what the fr. group who i cant find again on twitter wrote. unfortunatley i lost the link and i couldnt copy and paste it. help?? the french protest group-which one i have no idea-also said that the police were against the politicians. its very obvious for anyone who can read in french, whether you speak spanish or not, that that was said. I think thats why they wanted it translated as they could only read that much as well...

[PaddyJoe]

Some great photos from El País tonight with the story of the day. The police charge was outside the Interior Minister's dept. and the empty square in photo 11 is Sol. The running joke now is that the police are 'camped' and 'besieged' by the indignados
http://www.elpais.com/fotogaleria/Desalojo/ultimos/indignados/elpgal/20110802elpepunac_1/Zes/1

[PaddyJoe]

I read a link in spanish(the latin words i understood from my french) which said more or less, as far as someone who cannot speak spanish could make out, that a letter is to be released tomorrow that will say officially that the spanish police union is against the politicians and is in favour of the indignados, or at least a number of them(it could be like the way 5%-10% of our gardai are in the GRA which is against austerity/state extortion). 'c'est une bombe' was what the fr. group who i cant find again on twitter wrote. unfortunatley i lost the link and i couldnt copy and paste it. help?? the french protest group-which one i have no idea-also said that the police were against the politicians. its very obvious for anyone who can read in french, whether you speak spanish or not, that that was said. I think thats why they wanted it translated as they could only read that much as well...

Yes, its the SUP police union which described the government actions as 'ridiculous and illegal' and likened the situation to something that could have happened under Franco. I'll find the link in a minute.

[C. Flower]

Some great photos from El País tonight with the story of the day. The police charge was outside the Interior Minister's dept. and the empty square in photo 11 is Sol. The running joke now is that the police are 'camped' and 'besieged' by the indignados
http://www.elpais.com/fotogaleria/Desalojo/ultimos/indignados/elpgal/20110802elpepunac_1/Zes/1

Great pictures, thanks for posting.

[Apjp]

I believe a new world revolution thread, merging ALL the threads on revolution is in order. that yank who trends so well was right, by xmas it will be global. for the eigth time in 3 months, chileans have been protesting, led by the student movement which is leading the chilean revolution in santiago: http://www.french-revolution.fr/2011/08/05/frenchrevolution-worldrevolution-chili-mobilisation-etudiante-agitee/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Basically as far as my limited french can tell this link says 10 people were arrested, that some students and police alike burnt bldgs, and that the govt. tried to buy off the students last tuesday with higher grants and lower fees, but that it didnt work.

ten people were arrested. 2 people-stuents- were killed(I RT'd a witness account in spanish).

[Apjp]

http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2011/08/chile-today.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter 527 minimum illegal arrests of mostly second level and third level kids in chile. I see mostly teenagers of under 18 in this pic

[PaddyJoe]

The statement you mention is on the Independent Police Union site here:
http://www.sup.es/cont_not.php?carp=03&ident=957
You can run Google Translate on it but it basically says that the gov. action is 'pathetic and illegal' and that the instructions they were issued with were:
1. Clear the square
2. No arrests
3. No use of riot gear
4. Under no circumstances allow indignados back in the square.
The statement says that these instructions do not comply with the law and are similar to what happened in Franco's day.
The SUP asks for 'understanding' for the 'thankless work' they are doing and ask that criticism should be directed at the real culprits who are the politicians.
They also point out the police on duty in Sol and elsewhere in central Madrid are working 24 hour days with only 3 hours break in every 24; have lost their holidays and have no idea how long the situation will last for.
I don't know how representative this police union is;)

[PaddyJoe]

11 minute video of last night's police charges. The guy arrested and taken away from 8.11 minutes is journalist Gorka Ramos of lainformacion.com who was held overnight and released this afternoon. ‪Carga policial y detenciones en la Castellana, Madrid, el 4 de agosto‬‏ - YouTube

[PaddyJoe]

The indignados are back in Sol tonight. The government decided to reopen the square this afternoon.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephanemgrueso/6012734888/