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antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 08:54 PM
There are clear shared interests between the mass of people in Ireland and Portugal at the moment. Our living standards are being savaged to protect the reckless investments in dodgy financial instruments by German and other international banks, and a tide of hot money which flew in through the IFSC into the construction sector, via the banks, inflating it enormously. Portugal is also in trouble as its economy is weak and the government is under severe pressure to implement austerity and take an EU/IMF 'bailout' package.

Given these facts, it's clear to me that some form of solidarity action should be taken, even if it is small scale and largely symbolic to begin with. To that end, I think there should be a protest organised around the demand to repudiate the debt, leave the euro, and rejecting the imposition of austerity on the ordinary people of the PIGS. The optimum day for doing this is May the 18th next, when two Portuguese teams come to Ireland to play in the Europa League final at the Aviva stadium. A symbolic protest, a couple of flags, some placards, and a banner or two, could have an effect on building ties with the people of Portugal, even if it purely propagandistic (ie has an effect in Portuguese newspapers or TV). Any thoughts? If there's interest, we should try and organise something.

Apjp
06-05-2011, 09:14 PM
There are clear shared interests between the mass of people in Ireland and Portugal at the moment. Our living standards are being savaged to protect the reckless investments in dodgy financial instruments by German and other international banks, and a tide of hot money which flew in through the IFSC into the construction sector, via the banks, inflating it enormously. Portugal is also in trouble as its economy is weak and the government is under severe pressure to implement austerity and take an EU/IMF 'bailout' package.

Given these facts, it's clear to me that some form of solidarity action should be taken, even if it is small scale and largely symbolic to begin with. To that end, I think there should be a protest organised around the demand to repudiate the debt, leave the euro, and rejecting the imposition of austerity on the ordinary people of the PIGS. The optimum day for doing this is May the 18th next, when two Portuguese teams come to Ireland to play in the Europa League final at the Aviva stadium. A symbolic protest, a couple of flags, some placards, and a banner or two, could have an effect on building ties with the people of Portugal, even if it purely propagandistic (ie has an effect in Portuguese newspapers or TV). Any thoughts? If there's interest, we should try and organise something.

I want to help you organize this, though i cant make placards so i'll be holding a sheet of cardboard over me head-pm me. me email is ***** Its important that we show our portugese friends that Ireland and Portugal have a lot in common and that the people here stand by them. i have tests early on that day(of the final) but I think I am free from like 4ish onwards, maybe even earlier. Would other people from this also attend? Apparently some people I know that wouldve went to the pubs in dublin to watch the final wont go now anyways as they are too worried of fan trouble in the pubs. I'm therefore free to demonstrate, if only to show the Portugese fans and media that the Irish people offer their solidarity.

antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 09:17 PM
Good stuff. If we're going to do it, then we can organise it here and spread it outside.

Apjp
06-05-2011, 09:27 PM
Good stuff. If we're going to do it, then we can organise it here and spread it outside.

Ye. I'll print off fliers if i need to. I fbed RBB's(2400 friends), Joe higgins(4300 hits), and an irish revolution page (19000 hits). Hoping to keep spreading the word-next up mick and ming! maybe they can raise this issue on europe day? Thats 25000 hits. hopefully people will reply sooner rather than later. anyone else here want to help? PM me on what you think needs to be done anti and how i can help. quite inexperienced at holding rallies.

antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 09:29 PM
http://www.avivastadium.ie/eventDetails.aspx?id=32

The details of the event. Does anyone know what the area is like? I haven't a clue being a redneck, where the best place to put such a demonstration would be.

Apjp
06-05-2011, 09:50 PM
http://www.avivastadium.ie/eventDetails.aspx?id=32

The details of the event. Does anyone know what the area is like? I haven't a clue being a redneck, where the best place to put such a demonstration would be.

Me neither-although being from just inside meath its doubtful how redneck i am haha. ive been posting the link here and me email to numerous left ind's, the ula, SFers(except beardy and marly lou imo), and on general low- high hitting activist pages. also put it on meath chronicles(2700) and IT's page(4600). i expect the chronicle to let me put it in me column this week after their more surprisingly radical scathing editorials of the govt and the troika of late. cant cass and others here offer advice? any experienced protesters with ability to organize would be most welcome-i was only really planning on using regional media contacts, me column, a blog here etc to spread the word and hand out fliers.

antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 10:02 PM
I'd say contact the newspapers, advertise it on all the sites we can and spread by word of mouth too. Babysteps, this should be a way to make contacts and get our message out there, also for activists to network. I think we should emphasise:
1) The need to repudiate the debt- the moral and economic arguments
2) Link to austerity- clear enough
3) International solidarity to defeat these- the international nature of the crisis and crossborder action

Apjp
06-05-2011, 10:06 PM
I'd say contact the newspapers, advertise it on all the sites we can and spread by word of mouth too. Babysteps, this should be a way to make contacts and get our message out there, also for activists to network. I think we should emphasise:
1) The need to repudiate the debt- the moral and economic arguments
2) Link to austerity- clear enough
3) International solidarity to defeat these- the international nature of the crisis and crossborder action

roger. starting blog NOW! Hope cass will oblige me by putting it up. cheers anti. the logistics would be difficult on me part as i never organized a march but when more get involved im sure we'll manage. i can help with PR and spreading the word. ive experience in that as an ex-pro of GAA club teams and a writer of many regional papers in the last 2 years.

wickedfairy
06-05-2011, 10:28 PM
after May 16th there is a moratorium on all protests, posters, etc for the duration of the royal and Obama's visit. Was on the radio today.

antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 10:30 PM
What?? Seriously? Have you any info on this?

Sam Lord
06-05-2011, 10:38 PM
after May 16th there is a moratorium on all protests, posters, etc for the duration of the royal and Obama's visit. Was on the radio today.

Not an instruction I would feel inclined to obey if I was Irish.

wickedfairy
06-05-2011, 10:39 PM
Not an instruction I would feel inclined to obey if I was Irish.

its outrageous, facism is what it is.:mad:

antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 10:41 PM
Until we find out more about this, the protest is still on as of now, and we will attempt to organise something.

wickedfairy
06-05-2011, 10:42 PM
What?? Seriously? Have you any info on this?

announced on Newstalk Radio tonight, think it was the 7:00 bulletin. Is this constitutional? Welcoming two people who are head of armies who are murdering citizens with drones et al and we cannot protest. WTF!!?

Apjp
06-05-2011, 10:43 PM
by god the ******* can lock me up and throw away the key if they think they can take me right to protest!

antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 10:43 PM
According to the Indo, it's only around locations they're going to visit, so the Aviva won't be affected. It's still outrageous though.


The ban will be in place from May 16-23 and it will cover routes in and around the Garden of Remembrance, Croke Park, the Guinness brewery, Trinity College, Phoenix Park and Dublin Castle.



http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/posters-banned-for-visit-of-queen-2640079.html

It's legal to do this, seeing as protection for civil rights is practically non-existent.

Dr. FIVE
06-05-2011, 10:49 PM
after May 16th there is a moratorium on all protests, posters, etc for the duration of the royal and Obama's visit. Was on the radio today.

I hear the shades have been issued with special jackeen meters in case people aren't towing the line.

wickedfairy
06-05-2011, 11:24 PM
According to the Indo, it's only around locations they're going to visit, so the Aviva won't be affected. It's still outrageous though.



http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/posters-banned-for-visit-of-queen-2640079.html

It's legal to do this, seeing as protection for civil rights is practically non-existent.

thanks AntiE, posters/protesters meh.

Apjp
06-05-2011, 11:37 PM
will anyone else here get involved or at least attend? Just submitted a blog to cass on the matter which i hope she'll tweet and fb.

Sam Lord
06-05-2011, 11:42 PM
http://www.avivastadium.ie/eventDetails.aspx?id=32

The details of the event. Does anyone know what the area is like? I haven't a clue being a redneck, where the best place to put such a demonstration would be.

Don't know what the new place is like but the old one could get fairly crushed near the stadium. Further down Landsdowne Road towards Ballsbridge might be your best bet ... but you would miss the fans coming off the dart.

antiestablishmentarian
06-05-2011, 11:52 PM
It's a catch 22- depends on how they'll be going, though I reckon the pedestrian entrance would be the best way to do it. It'd need to be a couple of hundred metres away at least.

C. Flower
07-05-2011, 12:01 AM
will anyone else here get involved or at least attend? Just submitted a blog to cass on the matter which i hope she'll tweet and fb.

I'll have a good read through it and get back to you by the morning. I'll have some suggestions.

wickedfairy
07-05-2011, 12:02 AM
I will be there guys, keep me posted please. We will tweet it ad nausem

antiestablishmentarian
07-05-2011, 12:03 AM
Ok. Bear in mind nothing has been finalised yet, this is just an idea as of now, but I'll pm those who show an interest and if there's enough, maybe we can do something.

Apjp
07-05-2011, 12:05 AM
I'll have a good read through it and get back to you by the morning. I'll have some suggestions.

Good. thanks very much. appreciate it!

Apjp
07-05-2011, 12:07 AM
Ok. Bear in mind nothing has been finalised yet, this is just an idea as of now, but I'll pm those who show an interest and if there's enough, maybe we can do something.

gonna try and raise it with the ULA at tomorrows meeting in the gresham. In college from 12/1ish-330 so 4 is good timing on their part.

PaddyJoe
07-05-2011, 01:28 AM
According to the Indo, it's only around locations they're going to visit, so the Aviva won't be affected. It's still outrageous though.



http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/posters-banned-for-visit-of-queen-2640079.html

It's legal to do this, seeing as protection for civil rights is practically non-existent.
Its not a ban on protests as such. According to the Indo its a ban imposed by the City Council on putting up posters in these areas over six days.
Not a complete ban as adverts may be allowed. All part of the 'clean up' for the visits, of course;)

UR Right
07-05-2011, 01:55 PM
Good stuff. If we're going to do it, then we can organise it here and spread it outside.

Great idea. Spreading via Facebook?

Uncorruptable
17-05-2011, 11:10 AM
Havnt logged on here in a good while and only seeing this now, great idea but i cannot make it, how many have you confirmed?

Have you had any confirmation from newspapers?

Apjp
17-05-2011, 01:01 PM
Havnt logged on here in a good while and only seeing this now, great idea but i cannot make it, how many have you confirmed?

Have you had any confirmation from newspapers?

None confirmed. No replies from anyone. Prob just as well as ive exams but im well used to canceling due to peoples ignorance at this stage anyways

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Uncorruptable
17-05-2011, 05:48 PM
Where theres a will theres a way,

The first step, as pointed out already, is to begin to create a network of people here that are willing to take action, by action we al know every protest in the world will be just policed & let blow over, the only real weapon is cessation of work by the masses.

Serious moves need to be made to put it to the biggest unions that unless they begin the needed action of strike they will see the majority of their members leave whichever union is in question for one that is willing to take action.

The potential loss of 10's of thousands of members union fees will leave the leadership in a position to either act or risk the end of the union & the gravy train they are riding.

The reason, as i see it, that SIPTU & the likes wont call an all out strike is it will clear out the accounts when they have to pay their members a percentage of their wage while they are out & the gravy train will be over, then you have to wonder, have they lost the members fees on the 'markets' also? Maybe it was invested in banks like anglo & Goldman Sachs creamed it from our unions also.

We need to make a network of shop floor stewards become active outside of the usual channels of the union stucture & exert upwards pressure of threats of defection if they dont act, i know one SIPTU Shop steward that has expressed this to me already as a possible action to happen now as they are fuming.

I am activley involved in the ULA & i am neither a Socialist party member or People Before Profit member, the coming ULA meeting on the 25th june will be the forum for making the action much needed like this brought to fruition, if by the end of the summer we do not have any real momentum or progress under way i will have serious concerns for us being able to effect any change at all.

We need to start to have shop stewards conatct other shop stewards & guage opinion from the shop floor up, the leadership are lost, but the unions are nothing without its members paying fees.

This can also be done outside of the work place, if you know of 10 people that would be like minded as yourself the idea of sounding out the shop stewards in their workplace can be communicated to them, in turn they can each contact 10 people they konw that would be of similar mind to them and so on and so on.

Action needs to be under way by the beginning of autumn for definite on this in my opinion.

Apjp
17-05-2011, 06:57 PM
Where theres a will theres a way,

The first step, as pointed out already, is to begin to create a network of people here that are willing to take action, by action we al know every protest in the world will be just policed & let blow over, the only real weapon is cessation of work by the masses.

Serious moves need to be made to put it to the biggest unions that unless they begin the needed action of strike they will see the majority of their members leave whichever union is in question for one that is willing to take action.

The potential loss of 10's of thousands of members union fees will leave the leadership in a position to either act or risk the end of the union & the gravy train they are riding.

The reason, as i see it, that SIPTU & the likes wont call an all out strike is it will clear out the accounts when they have to pay their members a percentage of their wage while they are out & the gravy train will be over, then you have to wonder, have they lost the members fees on the 'markets' also? Maybe it was invested in banks like anglo & Goldman Sachs creamed it from our unions also.

We need to make a network of shop floor stewards become active outside of the usual channels of the union stucture & exert upwards pressure of threats of defection if they dont act, i know one SIPTU Shop steward that has expressed this to me already as a possible action to happen now as they are fuming.

I am activley involved in the ULA & i am neither a Socialist party member or People Before Profit member, the coming ULA meeting on the 25th june will be the forum for making the action much needed like this brought to fruition, if by the end of the summer we do not have any real momentum or progress under way i will have serious concerns for us being able to effect any change at all.

We need to start to have shop stewards conatct other shop stewards & guage opinion from the shop floor up, the leadership are lost, but the unions are nothing without its members paying fees.

This can also be done outside of the work place, if you know of 10 people that would be like minded as yourself the idea of sounding out the shop stewards in their workplace can be communicated to them, in turn they can each contact 10 people they konw that would be of similar mind to them and so on and so on.

Action needs to be under way by the beginning of autumn for definite on this in my opinion.

I dont know 1 person in my family, friends and classmates willing to do what I would. I'll be at that ula meeting as i hope to change this. but its not looking good. its looking normal.

Uncorruptable
17-05-2011, 08:22 PM
I think the message will have to be clear from the meeting that real pressure must begin to be put on the unions, that their fee paying members will withdraw their membership if they stand by & watch them being screwed, if there is no concrete plan formed by the end of that meeting it looks bad alright.

Apjp
17-05-2011, 10:04 PM
I think the message will have to be clear from the meeting that real pressure must begin to be put on the unions, that their fee paying members will withdraw their membership if they stand by & watch them being screwed, if there is no concrete plan formed by the end of that meeting it looks bad alright.

Definitely. Looking into the new autonomy ireland too. If that gets off the ground and is socialist ill join it.

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