Israel launches Wave of Air Attacks over Gaza

[Buddha]

News just breaking of waves of air attacks across Gaza by Israel on Sky News now. Did I miss something happening earlier? What's going on?

[ang]

Report here:-


AFP, the French news agency, and Israel radio reported repeated strikes on the strip late Monday night.

Israel radio said that there were reports from Palestinian sources of 17 wounded, about half of them children. The army was not responding to the reports, the radio said.

The strikes came after the worst barrage of rocket attacks on southern Israel in two years, on Saturday. The armed wing of Hamas, Izzadin Kassam Brigades, claimed responsibility for most of the explosives.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/03/21/3086502/israel-strikes-gaza1

[Edo]

Ya could have said that it was in response to rocket attacks in the title of the thread..................

Yeah it was probably out of proportion etc etc as per usual with the IDF..................but funnily enough indiscriminate rockets launches (no guidance systems) into built up urban areas in Israel are seen as just dandy around here - but over in Libya...........Oh those horrible imperialist americans attacking that nice Mr Gaddafi and his army....................

H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.S.C.Y...................

[Newsy]

Any meeting of the Security Council set up for this one!!!!

Guess not.....

After all, it's only Gaza.......no oil......only people.

Pathetic.

[C. Flower]

Ya could have said that it was in response to rocket attacks in the title of the thread..................

Yeah it was probably out of proportion etc etc as per usual with the IDF..................but funnily enough indiscriminate rockets launches (no guidance systems) into built up urban areas in Israel are seen as just dandy around here - but over in Libya...........Oh those horrible imperialist americans attacking that nice Mr Gaddafi and his army....................

H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.S.C.Y...................

Who said they were "just dandy" ?

[Sam Lord]

Ya could have said that it was in response to rocket attacks in the title of the thread..................



And you could have said that the "rocket" attacks were in response to ...


"Targeting the enemy's posts was a response to the ongoing Zionist assaults, airstrikes and tanks shelling on the Gaza Strip. The latest was two days ago, where two of our mujahidin were killed," said Hamas' armed wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades.

[Edo]

And you could have said that the "rocket" attacks were in response to ...


"Targeting the enemy's posts was a response to the ongoing Zionist assaults, airstrikes and tanks shelling on the Gaza Strip. The latest was two days ago, where two of our mujahidin were killed," said Hamas' armed wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades.

that was probably in response to.....and that was in response to .......and that was in response to.............and down and down the rabbit hole we go until we arrive back with Goliath and David etc etc etc

It takes two to tango Sam

Im with the Palestinians for the most part on the whole Israel/Palestinian fandango.......but Im slowly losing interest in the whole thing as the crazies on both sides seem to be solidifying their grip on the populations of both camps.

[Sam Lord]

that was probably in response to.....and that was in response to .......and that was in response to.............and down and down the rabbit hole we go until we arrive back with Goliath and David etc etc etc



And who raised the issue of response? Yes, that would be you ...

[Edo]

And who raised the issue of response? Yes, that would be you ...

Yeh I did - sue me - I was just making the point that the OP failed to mention/or didnt want to mention the befores to make it look like this was big bad Israel bulling them poor pacifist hamas chaps out of the blue in an unprovoked attack. ....probably to contrast the situation with Libya as has been the fashion recently and imply that the Israelis are doing this because the medias attention is elsewhere.

[Sam Lord]

Yeh I did - sue me - I was just making the point that the OP failed to mention/or didnt want to mention the befores to make it look like this was big bad Israel bulling them poor pacifist hamas chaps out of the blue in an unprovoked attack. ....probably to contrast the situation with Libya as has been the fashion recently and imply that the Israelis are doing this because the medias attention is elsewhere.

And why did you forget to mention what the "rocket" attacks were in respone to?

[Kid Ryder]

So Hamas fire a rocket or two and Israel's response is to bomb civilians in Gaza. I notice now that the smuggling tunnels that kept thousands alive and provided fuel to hospitals and Gaza's only power station (BTW, the director of that plant was violently kidnapped by Israeli agents in Ukraine in Feb. and is now reported to be in an Israeli prison. His crime - keeping a power station working despite all the attempts of the Israelis to render it inoperable. Link - Israel gags talk on jailed Gaza power plant chief (http://www.smh.com.au/world/israel-gags-talk-on-jailed-gaza-power-plant-chief-20110311-1br3f.html)) are now 'bomb smuggling tunnels'. Collective punishment is the tactic of the unapologetic racist, and Israel is clearly a racist régime of the first water, with its apartheid walls, ethnic cleansing, pass laws, illegal settlements and much much more in its nasty locker. The Israelis are hoping that the world's attention will be diverted by events in Libya, and sadly they are probably right.

[Buddha]

News just breaking of waves of air attacks across Gaza by Israel on Sky News now. Did I miss something happening earlier? What's going on?


Ya could have said that it was in response to rocket attacks in the title of the thread..................

Yeah it was probably out of proportion etc etc as per usual with the IDF..................but funnily enough indiscriminate rockets launches (no guidance systems) into built up urban areas in Israel are seen as just dandy around here - but over in Libya...........Oh those horrible imperialist americans attacking that nice Mr Gaddafi and his army....................

H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.S.C.Y...................

Please note my wording Edo, oh, and the Question Marks. Question Marks look like this ??????

I am delighted to read of your opinions of the bombing of civilians and I agree whole-heartedly. I would however confine any nasty comments re Americans to American Foreign policy. Civilians getting it in the neck again.:D

[Cáthasaigh]

News just breaking of waves of air attacks across Gaza by Israel on Sky News now. Did I miss something happening earlier? What's going on?

The reasoning behind the Israeli aggression is rather simple. World attention is focussed on Libya and the jingoism is being ramped up in the US and Britain so the climate was perfect for the Israelis to slip a bit of terrror-bombing in 'under the radar screen'.

[antiestablishmentarian]

I imagine there were elements of Israel showing its strength in this. Given the collapse and overthrow of friendly régimes throughout the Arab world like Mubarak, the Israeli leaders must be frightened, and this is the only way they know of presenting a strong face to the world- bomb a few civilians.

[Holly]

This story merited no mention in the RTE news.
The blockade of Gaza is an open sore.

[Kid Ryder]

This story merited no mention in the RTE news.
The blockade of Gaza is an open sore.

Raidió Telefís Zion?:(

[Frankie Lee]

Shatter probably blackmailing them.

[james]

And you could have said that the "rocket" attacks were in response to ...


"Targeting the enemy's posts was a response to the ongoing Zionist assaults, airstrikes and tanks shelling on the Gaza Strip. The latest was two days ago, where two of our mujahidin were killed," said Hamas' armed wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades.


I think you should provide some research and
detailed verification of that 'statement'...

The Al-Qassam Brigades are hardly Reuters!!!!!!

[james]

This story merited no mention in the RTE news.
The blockade of Gaza is an open sore.


Which story??
The mortar attacks on Israel???
Yes, they rarely bother reporting attacks
on Israel....
RTE Palestina????

[james]

The reasoning behind the Israeli aggression is rather simple. World attention is focussed on Libya and the jingoism is being ramped up in the US and Britain so the climate was perfect for the Israelis to slip a bit of terrror-bombing in 'under the radar screen'.

Your conspiracy theory is, er,
interesting - except Hamas
fired first........

Hamas has been fully rearmed
by Iran and some rocket attacks
on Israel
might take world attention
away from the fact that they
have cancelled elections that
were due indefinitely!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kev Bar]

Your conspiracy theory is, er,
interesting - except Hamas
fired first........

Hamas has been fully rearmed
by Iran and some rocket attacks
on Israel
might take world attention
away from the fact that they
have cancelled elections that
were due indefinitely!!!!!!!!!!!


Without getting too far into atrocity ping pong, Israel does break the majority of ceasefires.
A google will give you empirical backup for that.

Israel and Hamas are creating their own pas de deux.

Israe, however, is scared. The Middle East's only "democracy" is having its credentials challenged by Egypt... primarily.
Libya is going unfortunately a bit more according to the Israel script.
But Egypt is not playing to conventional narratives...cos scary of scariest...there is a possibility that something real is going on there.
Whether it's allowed come to fruition is another debate.
But it would downright churlish not to admit that so far it's been a pretty fcukin impressive revolution.

[Holly]

Which story??
....

I mean the story that is the subject of this thread. :rolleyes:

[TotalMayhem]

Someone blew up a bus at the central bus station in Jerusalem, dozens of casualties.

[C. Flower]

It looks as if there is a drive to war - maybe under general cover of the events in Libya and elsewhere.

[james]

Looks like we are back to the
'bomb a bus' approach by the
'freedom fighters'....

Hamas and Hizbollah are primed,
and will continue to provoke
Israel until there is a major
outbreak of violence.

I hope that I'm wrong - but
that's the way I fear it
will go.......

Then the tedious, inevitable
narrative will be that it's all
Israel's fault....

However, Israel is well used to that
nonsense, and will quite
rightly defend itself with
vigour...............

[TotalMayhem]

Israeli fighter jets bombing Gaza in retaliation of this morning's terror attack in Eilat.

[Holly]

Israeli fighter jets bombing Gaza in retaliation of this morning's terror attack in Eilat.

As sure as night follows day.
In occupied territory during the Second World War, the Germans/Austrians carried-out collective punishment reprisals against civilians after partisan activity. Nazis considered this to be consistent with ethical standards back then.

[TotalMayhem]

An eye for an eye, if you want to go back even further...

5 Hamas fighters including a military leader have been killed in the air raid.

[Holly]

An eye for an eye, if you want to go back even further...

5 Hamas fighters including a military leader have been killed in the air raid.

Any "collateral" children killed?

[TotalMayhem]

Yes, latest report says 6 killed, including 1 child.

[Holly]

Yes, latest report says 6 killed, including 1 child.

There you go.
No one in Isreal will lose sleep tonight over a Palestinian child.

[TotalMayhem]

7 people have been killed in the attacks in Eilat this morning, all terrorists shot dead by security forces.

The perps obviously crossed the Sinai border, Netanjahu allowed Egypt to increase their troops on the Sinai peninsula by 1,000.

[Buddha]

7 people have been killed in the attacks in Eilat this morning, all terrorists shot dead by security forces.

The perps obviously crossed the Sinai border, Netanjahu allowed Egypt to increase their troops on the Sinai peninsula by 1,000.

So why are the f**king bastards bombing Gaza? How far away is Gaza from Eilat?

[TotalMayhem]

So why are the f**king bastards bombing Gaza? How far away is Gaza from Eilat?

The terrorists came from Gaza via Sinai... or so they claim.

[C. Flower]

The terrorists came from Gaza via Sinai... or so they claim.

People were tweeting earlier today that there was firing from Egypt, not Gaza, and asking why there were IDF warplanes flying over Gaza.

I posted last week about Hamas arresting people for firing into Israel.

[TotalMayhem]

Meanwhile, UN's Po Ke-mon Ban Ki-moon condemns Eilat attacks, concerned of escalation and calls for all to act with restraint.

[Holly]

Meanwhile, UN's Po Ke-mon Ban Ki-moon condemns Eilat attacks, concerned of escalation and calls for all to act with restraint.

That should do the trick.

[Buddha]

Meanwhile, UN's Po Ke-mon Ban Ki-moon condemns Eilat attacks, concerned of escalation and calls for all to act with restraint.

So the attackers were either in Egypt or at the Sinai border so the Israelis bomb Gaza. Right. So we are all okay with that are we? That is fair and justifiable?

How?

[TotalMayhem]

Tis all Cactus' fault for toppling Mubarak...


Israeli officials said the men who attacked the vehicles near Eilat had came from the Gaza Strip and had entered Israel through Egypt's Sinai desert.

There has been growing concern about a decline in security in Sinai since Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was toppled in February.

[Buddha]

Tis all Cactus' fault for toppling Mubarak...

Well they would say that, wouldn't they? I mean, they can hardly bomb Egypt now, can they? Probably send a troop in bearing Irish passports to do a bit of exterminating with extreme prejudice. But in the meanwhile, sure let's bomb Gaza.

Why are they allowed to do what they like with the people of Gaza? Can somebody tell me that?

[TotalMayhem]

Why are they allowed to do what they like with the people of Gaza?

Almost 750,00 men and women under arms, 2,000 main battle tanks, 400 fighter bombers, submarines armed with cruise missiles, oh and some nukes as well... who's going to stop them? Po Ke-mon???

[fluffybiscuits]

Almost 750,00 men and women under arms, 2,000 main battle tanks, 400 fighter bombers, submarines armed with cruise missiles, oh and some nukes as well... who's going to stop them? Po Ke-mon???

Well America as big brother to them should be indirectly targeted. People in Gaza are getting by on very little a day and their wits. America should realise its these conditions that become breeding grounds for fundamentalism and act accordingly by helping out with humanitarian aid. This invariably would qualm the fundamentalists and get Israel involved some how. The question is though how do we get the Americans to listen?

[C. Flower]

Gaza - just after the bombing by the IDF today.

‫شمال وغرب مدينة غزة قبل قليل‬‎ - YouTube

[Griska]

Attack on a bus.
Attack on Gaza.

Wasn't there something else going on in Israel that attracted the worlds attention recently?
Doesn't matter now, of course, because the narrative has been put back on track.

[C. Flower]

"Islamic militants" arrested in the N. Sinai in the last couple of days in Sinai.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/egypt-army-seizes-four-armed-militants-in-sinai-1.378967



Don't the US have troops in Sinai too ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_Sinai


Supposedly there have been attacks by Islamicists on the pipeline through Sinai that provides below market price gas to Israel.

Islamicists + the US often seems to be a toxic destabilising mix.

Hamas arrested Islamicists last week for firing into Israel.

[Fermoy]

Then the tedious, inevitable
narrative will be that it's all
Israel's fault....



And so it is .
How can the invaded be blamed for invader invading them ?

[Fermoy]

So the attackers were either in Egypt or at the Sinai border so the Israelis bomb Gaza. Right. So we are all okay with that are we? That is fair and justifiable?

How?
Thats in keeping with Europeans getting murdered in the millions by Germans ,
and Palestinians are slaughtered in the tens of thousands and their homeland gets confiscated and given to some other Europeans as punishment .

[Fermoy]

Almost 750,00 men and women under arms, 2,000 main battle tanks, 400 fighter bombers, submarines armed with cruise missiles, oh and some nukes as well... who's going to stop them? Po Ke-mon???

And lets not forget the billions of greenback dollars in dole payments

[C. Flower]

There are reports of Egyptian soldiers having been hit from IDF planes. This is all very messy-looking. Is it in part a diversion from the hundreds of thousands of Israelis demanding that Netanyhu must go ?

[fluffybiscuits]

There are reports of Egyptian soldiers having been hit from IDF planes. This is all very messy-looking. Is it in part a diversion from the hundreds of thousands of Israelis demanding that Netanyhu must go ?

Are they calling for him to go? Diversionary tactics on behalf of Israel in order to deflect from the real issues. It sounds like that to me.

[Lapsedmethodist]

And so it is .
How can the invaded be blamed for invader invading them ?

<Mod CF> There were Jews in Judea and Samaria and Israel since time immemorial. There are more there now. Jordan had the West Bank for twenty years and did sod all for the people there and the people there did sod all for themselves except dream of the day when they could make the area Jew-free. Inspirational; truely inspirational.

[Fermoy]

This thread is about the politics between Palestine and Israel. That is why it is in the world politics section of the forum.
Racism and sectarianism have no place here .


Is lapsedmethodist lost ?

[Kev Bar]

Well it sure looks like the threat of civilisation is being firmly dealt with.

[Kev Bar]

Tis all Cactus' fault for toppling Mubarak...

Now Total, we all know her intentions were pure.
But she strolled into one mean unhuggable hood.

Curious though, the protests in Israel led everyone to fear someone kicking the "fear factor" into play.

Dragging Egypt into the bellicose waltz seems deranged.

But there again that's what a number of Israel's senior securocrats deem Benny/Barak's bellicose visions re Iran to be.

F--K who needs modernity when it's all so easy to be medieval?

@Fermoy
Lapsed is not lost. He is just prone to lapsing.
If you imagine him as a lapsed-dancer, you can find his moves quite exciting.
Not sure if Paypal does the buck in the garter gig but, as you are both adults, I'm sure you can come to some mutually satisfying arrangement.
Enjoy!

[Lapsedmethodist]

This thread is about the politics between Palestine and Israel. That is why it is in the world politics section of the forum.
Racism and sectarianism have no place here .


Is lapsedmethodist lost ?


Thats in keeping with Europeans getting murdered in the millions by Germans ,
and Palestinians are slaughtered in the tens of thousands and their homeland gets confiscated and given to some other Europeans as punishment .
__________________

That comment has nothing at all to do with " politics between Palestine and Israel."

None of your comments has anything to do with "politics between Palestine and Israel "

[TotalMayhem]

An Israeli has been killed in a missile attack from Gaza. IDF tanks are lining up at the border, Netanjahu obviously gave "green light" to enter Gaza.

[C. Flower]

Are they calling for him to go? Diversionary tactics on behalf of Israel in order to deflect from the real issues. It sounds like that to me.

On tonight's demonstrations in Israel a lot of marchers have breached the organisers request for silence and no slogans and are chanting for friendship between palestinians and israelis and against war.

There was also a big demonstration in Cairo in protest against the killing by the IDF of 5 Egyptian soldiers. People are very angry and trying to convey that Egypt is changed since Mubarak was toppled and that they won't sit back and put up with this.

[C. Flower]

NOW-- One Israeli tank shell just hit the remains of Gaza International Airport in Rafah, south of Gaza....

[C. Flower]

Israeli Radio: Netanyahu orders army to continue attacks on Gaza Strip, he said during cabinet meeting this evening

RT is reporting that protestors in Israel are objecting to the use of war to distract from their demands.

Egypt has withdrawn its envoy to Israel and the peace agreement is looking shaky.

[Kev Bar]

On tonight's demonstrations in Israel a lot of marchers have breached the organisers request for silence and no slogans and are chanting for friendship between palestinians and israelis and against war.

There was also a big demonstration in Cairo in protest against the killing by the IDF of 5 Egyptian soldiers. People are very angry and trying to convey that Egypt is changed since Mubarak was toppled and that they won't sit back and put up with this.


A number of people predicted/feared the possibility of a security crisis as a counter-measure to the Israeli protests.

A of powerful people want to keep it medieval.

[Holly]

....
Egypt has withdrawn its envoy to Israel and the peace agreement is looking shaky.

Don't the Egyptians understand about collateral damage, for Pete's sake? :rolleyes:

[C. Flower]

Don't the Egyptians understand about collateral damage, for Pete's sake? :rolleyes:

They seem to. They were saying that one Eyptian soldier was worth 100 IDF ones.

[Kev Bar]

Getting people out on the street for a noble cause is a very rare, difficult and wonderful thing.
So....
It's back to the more commonplace, equally difficult and but more worrying issue ofhttp://972mag.com/in-case-of-a-war-we-should-resist/ getting people off the street when out raging with history laced hysteria.



http://972mag.com/in-case-of-a-war-we-should-resist/



http://972mag.com/in-case-of-a-war-we-should-resist/

[People Korps]

They seem to. They were saying that one Eyptian soldier was worth 100 IDF ones.

That is cleaver rhetoric....I think it says f u in several different languages

[People Korps]

Don't the Egyptians understand about collateral damage, for Pete's sake? :rolleyes:

I am sure Israel is aware that as the region destabilizes they may well be the collateral damage.

[Buddha]

[QUOTE=Kev Bar;174469]Getting people out on the street for a noble cause is a very rare, difficult and wonderful thing.
So..../QUOTE]

+1000

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Israelis killed their own in order to create this distraction. It really wouldn't. And of course Egypt has to be tested now that CF brought down the American Puppet Mubarak. And of course Egypt has to make all the right noises because of the fledgling politicial status there, and it is Ramadan.

But as I said before, let's just slaughter a few more Palestinian civilians just to keep our hand in. Bastards.

[Kev Bar]

I am sure Israel is aware that as the region destabilizes they may well be the collateral damage.

I think they may see the collateral damage elsewhere.
Interesting para from that +972 piece written a cpl of weeks ago on the fears of war being provoked as a counter-measure to the tent city social justice protest:

It is worth noting that, contrary to myth, most of Israel’s wars were propagated by it, often for a political reason. The 1956 war was a conspiracy of Shimon Peres with two declining colonial powers, France and Britain. Prior to the 1967 war, the Americans asked for time for diplomacy, but the IDF was impatient to the point of a threatened putsch, and war broke out. The attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor took place several days before a general election, which was not a coincidence. The Lebanon War of 1982 needs no explanation. Shimon Peres went to Operation Grapes of Wrath in 1996, in order to win the coming elections; Being Shimon Peres, he managed to lose them by 0.4%, by shelling Qafr Qana and thereby convincing his Arab voters to stay home and not go the polls. In 2006, the IDF used a border incident – granted, a clear casus belli – in order to start a war intend to wipe the shame of defeat by Hizbullah in 2000. Needless to say, this did not work as planned. Cast Lead was the result of an Israeli wish for conflict, and rejection of Hamas’ attempt at prolonging the ceasefire. One needs a healthy dose of goodwill and bulk quantities of naiveté ij order to believe it had nothing to do with the already-declared elections.

http://972mag.com/in-case-of-a-war-we-should-resist/

[Kev Bar]

[QUOTE=Kev Bar;174469]Getting people out on the street for a noble cause is a very rare, difficult and wonderful thing.
So..../QUOTE]

+1000

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Israelis killed their own in order to create this distraction. It really wouldn't. And of course Egypt has to be tested now that CF brought down the American Puppet Mubarak. And of course Egypt has to make all the right noises because of the fledgling politicial status there, and it is Ramadan.

But as I said before, let's just slaughter a few more Palestinian civilians just to keep our hand in. Bastards.


It doesn't have to be as coarse as that. Although it could be so. It might be as easy but more clever to take advantage of the fact that there are people who would happily do the attack if given the opportunity.


One has to also allow for the possibility that those, like Bibi, on the opposite side with a vested interest in extremism would also seek to undermine a movement that suggested compromise.


The latter may have more credibility if it was not for the Egyptian issue.

It seems bizarre.

Although, it is admittedly still mired in the fog of war...it's still scary.

[Ah Well]

They seem to. They were saying that one Eyptian soldier was worth 100 IDF ones.

Al Jazeera seemed to have an interesting slant last night when reporting the Egyptian Gov would be looking for an official Israeli apology and compensation for the families of the deceased Egyptians

All points to sabre rattling followed by a status quo

[C. Flower]

Ya could have said that it was in response to rocket attacks in the title of the thread..................

Yeah it was probably out of proportion etc etc as per usual with the IDF..................but funnily enough indiscriminate rockets launches (no guidance systems) into built up urban areas in Israel are seen as just dandy around here - but over in Libya...........Oh those horrible imperialist americans attacking that nice Mr Gaddafi and his army....................

H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.S.C.Y...................

Who actually holds that set of views ? Would you like to clarify to whom you are replying ? This style of posting may not intend to sound like construction of straw men, but it certainly looks like it. And what does "around here" mean ? Are you implying that everyone (or anyone ?) who posts on this forum, apart from yourself, is of this particular set of opinions ?

[Lapsedmethodist]

Who actually holds that set of views ? Would you like to clarify to whom you are replying ? This style of posting may not intend to sound like construction of straw men, but it certainly looks like it. And what does "around here" mean ? Are you implying that everyone (or anyone ?) who posts on this forum, apart from yourself, is of this particular set of opinions ?

Buddah holds those set of views. And also believes that the Israelis did it to themselves as a false flag op.

Fermoy holds those views. <Mod: CF - please do not bring your dirty washing here from other places: they have a laundromat of their own>

[Kev Bar]

Buddah holds those set of views. And also believes that the Israelis did it to themselves as a false flag op.

Fermoy holds those views. <Mod> ?


They were expressed as a possibility.

[Buddha]

Buddah holds those set of views. And also believes that the Israelis did it to themselves as a false flag op.

Fermoy holds those views. <Mod>

I most certainly do not. How dare you! I despise the Israeli Administration as any right thinking person who has ever lived in a country that has been invaded and subjugated would, American carpetbaggers taking the land and the homes of Palestinians and the world sits and watches. That is bloody appalling. And I have always shown my utter disdain for the bombing of Libya by the U.N., as I have for the bombing and invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by the usual suspects.

As regards Israel or any bloody country using anyone and any situation to gauge reactions and test the waters I have absolutely no proof that they did. I suggested that it would not surprise me. And it wouldn't because it happens all the time. We, the people are vastly expendable. But get one thing straight in that mixed up head of your LM, I have always, always, said that nothing is worth one drop of human blood but in this world of ours, the only thing that is considered worthless is human life. Everything else has a price.

[Lapsedmethodist]

They were expressed as a possibility.

There's a possibility that the **********g great crow outside in my garden might be a Bird of Paradise, but I doubt it. I doubt it to the point that I don't offer it up as a possibility. If you get my drift.

[C. Flower]

#flagman is trending number one in the world at the moment. He's this man - who climbed up and replaced the Israeli with the Egyptian flag on the Israeli embassy in Cairo -

http://twitpic.com/697kvh

The tweetstream is here -

http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23flagman

He climbed 14 floors to get to it. He was arrested when he got down but the crowd got him released.

[C. Flower]

Buddah holds those set of views. And also believes that the Israelis did it to themselves as a false flag op.

Fermoy holds those views. On P.ie Fermoy uses a paragraph from the Protocols as his sig. Maybe he's being ironic..let's give him the benefit of the doubt, eh ?

Please quote them, then, in the normal way we do, when we are referring to what people have said. Same to Edo.

I'm not going to start moderating P.ie too, so please don't ask me to. I would have to look at your posts there too.

[C. Flower]

To return to the topic, the demonstrations in Egypt are something new in the equation, as is the uncertainty that the Eygptian government will to the same extent play ball with the Israeli government.

Also, the mass demonstrations in Israel yesterday for social justice for the first time also included anti-war slogans.

[TotalMayhem]

To return to the topic, the demonstrations in Egypt are something new in the equation, as is the uncertainty that the Eygptian government will to the same extent play ball with the Israeli government.

Also, the mass demonstrations in Israel yesterday for social justice for the first time also included anti-war slogans.

Ah now, anit-Israel demonstrations aren't exactly new in Egypt. OTOH, Netanjahu might benefit from from such escalation, as the Israelis will be concerned with something more severe than "social inequality", i.e. their security.

[Kev Bar]

While you kids fight it out, others are asking whether the cause of conflict actually adds up.

It's way more scary (and entertaining) than your tiff.


http://972mag.com/barak-and-netanyahu%E2%80%99s-story-doesn%E2%80%99t-add-up/

[Fermoy]

While you kids fight it out, others are asking whether the cause of conflict actually adds up.

It's way more scary (and entertaining) than your tiff.


http://972mag.com/barak-and-netanyahu%E2%80%99s-story-doesn%E2%80%99t-add-up/

There are kids here ?
Or have you posted on the wrong forum :p

The cause of the conflict is israel , without a doubt :rolleyes:

[C. Flower]

While you kids fight it out, others are asking whether the cause of conflict actually adds up.

It's way more scary (and entertaining) than your tiff.


http://972mag.com/barak-and-netanyahu%E2%80%99s-story-doesn%E2%80%99t-add-up/

I came to the thread to post the same report. I'm putting up, as I think it deserves examination.

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/evidence-undermines-gov’t’s-claim-that-eilat-attackers-were-gazans.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feedburner%2FWDBc+%28Mondowei ss%29


The Minister of Defense and the Prime Minister claim the terrorist attack last week came from Gaza. They have yet to provide any proof – and the evidence looks dubious.

An unknown group carried out a combined attack from Sinai into Israel, hitting a number of targets. Six Israeli civilians were murdered and two soldiers were killed; so were seven of the terrorists and a number of Egyptian security personnel. While the attacks were carried out, Minister of Defense Ehud Barak quickly told the public the people responsible were the Popular Resistance Committee of the Gaza Strip; within hours the IAF attacked a house in the Strip and killed several of its leaders. Later that day, Prime Minister Netanyahu said that the people responsible for the attacks were killed. This attack by the IAF is what spurred the recent round of escalation – and it’s worth noting the IAF has been raising the flames in the regions for about a month, with the Israeli media quietly ignoring it.

However, Israel has never supplied any proof that the attack has indeed originated in the Gaza Strip. The PRC have denied involvement in the attack. An Israeli propaganda apparatus, the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, also claimed (Hebrew) the PRC was behind the attacks, but had to tautologically write “no terror organizations has publicly claimed responsibility for the attack and the Popular Resistance Committee has denied any involvement. However, the Israeli prime minister and other Israeli officials have pointed to the Popular Resistance Committee as the organization who carried out the attack. So, according to the ITIC, the fact that Netanyahu is proof enough, even if the other side completely denies it.

During the weekend, the news website Real News interviewed a senior IDF Spokesman officer, Lt. Col. Avital Leibovitz, who’s in charge of the IDF Spokesman with the international media. Leibowitz denied that the IDF connects the PRC to the attacks, said she was not responsible for that the prime minister said, but claimed that the attackers did come from Gaza, citing as proof the fact they were using Kalashnikov assault rifies (Sic! 2:28 and onwards in the video). I dunno how to put it to Col. Leibovitz, but Kalashnikovs are the most common light assault rifle in the world – a gift that keeps on giving from the defunct Soviet Union – and are rather easy to get all over the Middle East.

In a phone conversation with Leibovitz yesterday, she said “senior officials have already expressed themselves on the issue”, and declined to provide more information on the attackers, aside from insisting on them being Gazans. I asked her if she could provide me with the identity of the attackers killed by the IDF, which was until recently standard procedure, carried out within hours of an attack. She said this is unfortunately impossible, and repeatedly insisted they were Gazans. B’Tselem researchers in the Strip, contacted via B’Tselem today, were unaware of the identity of the attackers. Again, usually they are quickly identified and a mourners’ hut is rapidly constructed. They were killed on Thursday; if they resided in the Strip, their families would have heard of their deaths by now.

Yesterday evening the Egyptian newspaper Al Masry Al Youm reported that Egyptian security forces have identified three of the dead attackers. Egypt has a strong interest to claim the attackers were Gazans, since this would lessen its responsibility for the attacks; nevertheless, they say at least two of the attackers were known terrorists in the Sinai Peninsula. As far as I could find out, the rest of the bodies are in the hands of the IDF – which, again, does not reveal their identity.

And probably with good reason. After all, it seems Barak and Netanyahu pulled off a major disinformation campaign here, which the IDF (in the form of Colonel Leibovitz) has to cooperate with, somewhat unwillingly. They took us to a false war against the Gaza Strip. You can’t really blame Leibovitz: She’s a uniformed officer. She can’t contradict “senior officials [who] have already expressed themselves on the issue”.

Assuming no other reliable evidence shows up, which at the moment is doubtful, we must ask ourselves: Why did Barak and Netanyahu pull off what seems to be a major deception of the Israeli public, which puts to shame any such deception since the Abu Nidal group tried to assassinate Israel’s ambassador to Britain in 1982, Shlomo Argov. Sharon, Begin and Eitan needed a pretext to begin their war of deception in Lebanon – the bright idea of, under the guise of fighting the PLO, enthrone the friendly Maronites. When Eitan was informed that the assassins were Abu Nidal’s men, he replied with “Abu Nidal, Abu Shmidal – we need to screw the PLO.” That’s how it began.

None of the people responsible for that deception, which ended a 11-months old ceasefire and sparked 18 years of war in Lebanon, ever paid a price for it. Ehud Barak, then a young aluf – major general – learned the lesson well. His part in planning the war was suggesting to Sharon that the IDF will attack the Syrians as well, admitting that such a move required the hoodwinking of the public. Sharon, while impressed, rejected the suggestion.

Now it looks – again, barring new evidence – that Barak and Natanyahu are selling us another lie, one which directs fire towards the Gaza Strip. Why? This is the question they must answer. They are, after all, still working for us, not the other way around – and this is precisely the sort of a spin which calls for a board of inquiry and for the separation of Ehud Barak’s body from his seat.

(Yossi Gurvitz is an Israeli journalist, blogger and photographer. This article is crossposted @ +972).

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lysias August 22, 2011 at 3:56 pm

Combine this with what we learn from Richard Silverstein today, that Shabak had warned the IDF of the date and place of the attack, and the IDF did not respond adequately — Shabak Blames IDF for Eilat Terror Attack:

Until yesterday night, I thought I knew or understood most of the facts of the Eilat terror attack. That changed with Anshel Pfeffer’s article in Haaretz (Hebrew) which reveals a huge fissure developing between Shabak and the IDF over the terror incident. Israel’s intelligence service claims that it offered a very specific warning which named the date and place of the expected attack. Pfeffer’s article, apparently based mostly on Shabak sources, says that the IDF upgraded its security presence on the southern border. But that in significant ways it downplayed the warning and specifically refused to believe the terrorists would mount a daylight attack, and do so near an Egyptian military post on the Israel-Egypt border.

and we are left with all sorts of fodder for conspiracy theories.

Maybe not false flag, but what about let it happen on purpose?

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annie August 22, 2011 at 5:52 pm

wow, that’s quite a revealing post too lysias. here’s another…972 zinger

So lets recap: groups even more radical and violent than Hamas, who are vying with Hamas for control of the Gaza Strip and with Egypt for control of northern Sinai, managed to get Israel, the Hamas and Egypt shooting and shouting at one another.

Also, it didn’t take long for the limitations of the Iron Dome to be exposed, as within the first three days of shelling two improved flying pipe bombs got through the defensive rocket system and caused casualties.

Also, the General Security Service (Shabak) wasted no time in making it very clear, very loudly that they had given the army very detailed and specific information of the impending attack. But remembering Clinton trying to take out Bin Laden back in ‘98 and getting blamed unfairly for wagging the dog? I should shut up about the obvious thoughts pursuant to the above intelligence.

But hey, at least Bibi got the attention nicely and fully off the social justice protests. One has to wonder if that’s not a blessing in disguise for a protest that was still dealing admirably with the obstacle course the establishment was throwing up, but was at the same time beginning to show some significant fissures.

Of course the greatest fissure of all was starkly shown once the boom boom began.

[Kev Bar]

More on the same absurd drama from +972

http://972mag.com/ricks-weekend-wrap-netanyahu-got-the-war-he-wanted/

[Griska]

More on the same absurd drama from +972

http://972mag.com/ricks-weekend-wrap-netanyahu-got-the-war-he-wanted/

The perception that this assault is a Wag the Dog moment is certainly prevalent.

[Kev Bar]

The perception that this assault is a Wag the Dog moment is certainly prevalent.


Cld be the Crufts thereof:

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/08/20/shabak-blames-idf-for-eilat-terror-attack/