Newstalk interview enraging

[Uncorruptable]

Listening to Chris interview Luke 'Ming' Flanagan this morning was totally enraging, before i give my reasons i will point out that i am not in Lukes constituency & i wouldn’t have been voting for Luke had i been.

From the outset luke was giving his position on how he intends to navigate & negotiate in the dail & was doing it in an assertive & coherent manner. Immediately Ivan waded in with the, learned through experience, list of protocol's regarding dail eireann which Luke challenged rationally from the perspective of a citizen about to serve his constituents not bound up in the rigmarole that has done us no service that is the protocol ivan was highlighting.

Almost immediately after when again responding to a question posed by chris, Luke had immediately prior to the question stated that he was not up to speed on all the monies he would be entitled to upon his election, he was berated by chris as being on the attack when he simply highlighted what he had just said prior to the question!

The question being were they briefed on how much monney they would be entitled to now being elected.

Now anyone listening to the show can clearly see that Chris was totally irrational in the manner he was handling the interview for what reason i do not know, what i do know is that Luke came away from the show with 100% integrity & if he maintains this approach when in dail eireann then we will see politics change in this country.

Both Chris & to a lesser extent Ivan done a disservice to Newstalk, the people of South Leitrim & Ireland in the manner they attempted to almost mock Luke & at one point Mick Wallace also

It can be heard back here,

http://www.newstalk.ie/programmes/all/breakfast/listen-back/

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

He'll have the entire establishment down on his back for suggesting a 50% pay cut in the Dail.

They'll be looking for some way to hang him. Watch for exaggerated tabloid stories about Ming with 'Oireachtas sources' quoted.

[Uncorruptable]

He'll have the entire establishment down on his back for suggesting a 50% pay cut in the Dail.

They'll be looking for some way to hang him. Watch for exaggerated tabloid stories about Ming with 'Oireachtas sources' quoted.

Well with the ULA only taking the average Ind wage, (€32,000) - 5 TD's
Sinn Fein only taking the average Ind wage, (€32,000) - 15 TD's
Luke 'Ming' Flanagan taking 50% paycut leaving (€42,000) 1 TD

They will have a fight on their hands trying to discredit anyone.

It really shows up the incoming government for what they are - careerists!

In it for the money, not for the people.

[Rich]

Well with the ULA only taking the average Ind wage, (€32,000) - 5 TD's
Sinn Fein only taking the average Ind wage, (€32,000) - 15 TD's
Luke 'Ming' Flanagan taking 50% paycut leaving (€42,000) 1 TD

They will have a fight on their hands trying to discredit anyone.

It really shows up the incoming government for what they are - careerists!

In it for the money, not for the people.

Don't know about Ming, but SF take it all. They may then pass it on to the party, but they do take it.

[Griska]

Newstalk- Morning show co-presented by a former FG TD.

Evening show, presented by a man who openly supported FG during the campaign.

And people complain about a bias in RTE!

[Uncorruptable]

Don't know about Ming, but SF take it all. They may then pass it on to the party, but they do take it.

Ah just for clarity, until the actual pay is changed across the board they will all take it all, the money that is not kept by the respective TD's in either the ULA or Sinn Fein will go to the build the party for the people who voted for them thereby giving the party they endorsed greater resources to contest the election next time out.

Ming has said he will use it for local amenities in his constituency.

[Uncorruptable]

Newstalk- Morning show co-presented by a former FG TD.

Evening show, presented by a man who openly supported FG during the campaign.

And people complain about a bias in RTE!

Coincidentally, it was Ivan who had a go at wallace who is from his constituency, perhaps a bit of envy as he knows he wouldnt get el;ected again down there.

Add to it also Dennis O'Briens dealings with lowry (ex FG) & the entire station is reeking of FG.

[Buddha]

It will be interesting to watch how the "establishment" deal with Ming. Don't know why but I really like him. They'll patronise him, and when they find that won't work they will simply suspend Dáil privileges from him.

I know I've oft told the story of how I and another newly born secretary to the Dáil were hauled into the Superintendent's office as we passed, sat down and told that we were making a show of everyone in Ireland, because we were wearing jeans and tee-shirts to work when we should be wearing "frocks". I kid you not. "Ambassadors from all round the world come here", we were told, "highly respected businessmen" (he meant Seánie and the likes) are in and out of here all day long and you come to work wearing JEANS.

I refused point blank to wear a "frock", but my colleague chickened out. My party whip at that time, Pat McCartan, now a district court judge as far as I know, had a word with me, cracked up laughing and told the superintendent that his staff could wear what they liked.

But before long, I found myself, although not wearing frocks as such, dressing with more care. Its the bloody place. They grind you down over time. Be strong Ming. Don't let the bastards get you down.(are we allowed to say bastards here?)

[Apjp]

Don't know about Ming, but SF take it all. They may then pass it on to the party, but they do take it.

thats a little unfair. i dont think they are allowed to give it back. the ula do it the best-they give half to charity and half to the party. thats the best option in me own view if the establishment wont enforce pay cuts because SVP are keeping a lot of people in their homes and I'd do same if elected-except id give 80% to svp and 20% to any party i was in. the charity i give the most to is SVP because they protect ordinary irish people-no other charity does so as much. they spend 5 million a week on average(2010 figures).

[Baron von Biffo]

Ah just for clarity, until the actual pay is changed across the board they will all take it all, the money that is not kept by the respective TD's in either the ULA or Sinn Fein will go to the build the party for the people who voted for them thereby giving the party they endorsed greater resources to contest the election next time out.

And those resources are used for the TDs benefit and electoral advantage.


Ming has said he will use it for local amenities in his constituency.

Splashing a few quid around the constituency wont hurt his prospects of re-election.

[Uncorruptable]

And those resources are used for the TDs benefit and electoral advantage.

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Electoral advantage for the party you voted for. Seems to me that if you endorse a candidate & in turn the party/beleifs they stand for then the remainder of the money going to strenghten said party is a double win for the voter.

The whole point of it is that the individual is not in it just to cream tens of thousands.

[Baron von Biffo]

Electoral advantage for the party you voted for. Seems to me that if you endorse a candidate & in turn the party/beleifs they stand for then the remainder of the money going to strenghten said party is a double win for the voter.

The whole point of it is that the individual is not in it just to cream tens of thousands.

Would you be saying that if we were discussing taxpayers money going to FF or FG?

[Uncorruptable]

Would you be saying that if we were discussing taxpayers money going to FF or FG?

No because they have a long history of being untrustworty when it comes to handling money, lies & deceit is the order of the day & days past with FF & FG.

[Baron von Biffo]

No because they have a long history of being untrustworty when it comes to handling money, lies & deceit is the order of the day & days past with FF & FG.

That my friend is what's known as double standards.

[Uncorruptable]

That my friend is what's known as double standards.

Thats debatable,

If you were to use a mechanic for years and discovered that he was cheating you whenever he got a chance you wouldnt trust him to do an honest job again with your car & be confident he is not overcharging unecessarily. He would have to do a hell of a lot of good dealings & prove to be doing so for a long time before he would get a look in again or get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to business.

If you were to use a mechanic that you know is doing you right, generous with his services, gives you back some service for free because of the business you do with him & generally looks after you with decency & has the utmost integrity, you would throw him the extra few quid on each dealing you have with him because you hold him in high regard & you know he will see you right when your stuck & will do the same for many others also.

I am sorry baron, if you think it is double standards not to trust proven liars, cheats, and all around treasonist gangsters, yes i call them gangsters as they number in thier thousands, & afford a more trusting relationship to people with integrity & with that a different set of moral allowances based on their proven integrity then you are quite narrow minded. No offence meant just cant think of a better way to put it, but it is very tunnel visioned.

[C. Flower]

thats a little unfair. i dont think they are allowed to give it back. the ula do it the best-they give half to charity and half to the party. thats the best option in me own view if the establishment wont enforce pay cuts because SVP are keeping a lot of people in their homes and I'd do same if elected-except id give 80% to svp and 20% to any party i was in. the charity i give the most to is SVP because they protect ordinary irish people-no other charity does so as much. they spend 5 million a week on average(2010 figures).

I think you may be right here - payroll has to issue the agreed rate.

But I think that using the funds to pick and choose where it goes- charity or whatever, is not the same as putting it into the Exchequer/public finances.

I am trying to think of some way in which an individual might contribute to the exchequer, and for the life of me I can't.

Perhaps the thing to do would be to buy prize bonds and invest any winnings straight back into prize bonds ?

[Apjp]

I think you may be right here - payroll has to issue the agreed rate.

But I think that using the funds to pick and choose where it goes- charity or whatever, is not the same as putting it into the Exchequer/public finances.

I am trying to think of some way in which an individual might contribute to the exchequer, and for the life of me I can't.

Perhaps the thing to do would be to buy prize bonds and invest any winnings straight back into prize bonds ?

Look it though cf, svp keeps people in their homes-better that than losing all yer money on bonds. also dont forget they could start up a local enterprise fund with some of their wages too they get so much(92 k min. after tax)

[C. Flower]

Look it though cf, svp keeps people in their homes-better that than losing all yer money on bonds. also dont forget they could start up a local enterprise fund with some of their wages too they get so much(92 k min. after tax)

It's the principle of the thing. If a public servant wants to take a pay cut, they can't reserve the right to pick and choose how the money is spent. It should go back to the Government.

[Baron von Biffo]

I am trying to think of some way in which an individual might contribute to the exchequer, and for the life of me I can't.

Perhaps they could gift it to the state in the same way that people gift works of art.

[C. Flower]

Perhaps they could gift it to the state in the same way that people gift works of art.

It would be an interesting exercise to try :D

I might get in touch with the D o F and ask them how I can give them a tenner.

[Baron von Biffo]

It would be an interesting exercise to try :D

I might get in touch with the D o F and ask them how I can give them a tenner.

Good idea. Keep us posted. If you're successful you could tell those noble TDs who struggle under the oppressive yoke of too much pay how to follow your example. ;)

[Dr. FIVE]

Ran rings around John Murray despite his best efforts. (http://www.rte.ie/radio1/thejohnmurrayshow/#Podcasts)

[Sam Lord]

Ming has said he will use it for local amenities in his constituency.

Is that something like a private slush fund?