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C. Flower
30-12-2010, 11:24 PM
Released under the "30 year rule", very interesting details of how the US and European states intervened in Afghanistan to "encourage guerilla resistance" in 1979 within weeks of the Soviet invasion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion


Within three weeks of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/afghanistan) the cabinet secretary, Sir Robert Armstrong, was negotiating how to channel covert military aid towards the "Islamic resistance" that was fighting the Russians.
Details of how swiftly clandestine weapons routes were opened up to aid the mujahideen emerge from secret cabinet documents released to the National Archives (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/nationalarchives) today under the 30-year rule.
The files show how extensive military and diplomatic efforts – co-ordinated with western allies – were made to defeat the USSR and the lengths to which Thatcher went to discourage participation in the 1980 Olympics.
Shortly after KGB special forces seized control of Kabul on 27 December 1979, the foreign secretary, Lord Carrington, expressed the view: "The Russians are resorting to the big lie by saying that they intervened at the invitation of Afghan authorities … we should take every opportunity to make them uncomfortable and bring home to them the consequences of their actions."
In mid-January Armstrong sent a "secret, personal" note to the prime minister on a meeting in Paris between senior US, French, German and British officials.
"There was some discussion of support for Afghan resistance to the invading Soviet troops," he explained. "For obvious reasons, I am circulating it separately from the record for the rest of the discussion."
Zbigniew Brzezinski, the US national security adviser, recommended providing Afghan fighters in "forward positions" just inside the Pakistan border with "surface to air missiles to defend themselves against air attack".
The French proposed channelling military aid via the Iraqis. The aim of the west, they said, should be to keep the Islamic world "aroused about the Soviet invasion that would be served by encouraging a continuing guerrilla resistance".
Armstrong stressed that a border war should be avoided but "so long as the Afghans were ready to continue guerrilla war resistance and Pakistan was prepared … to acquiesce in [its] territory being a base for such activity, the west could hardly refuse to provide support where it could do so with suitable discretion".
The cabinet secretary also sent a note to Thatcher, Carrington and "C" (the head of MI6) arguing the case for military aid to "encourage and support resistance".

People Korps
31-12-2010, 12:01 AM
I watched Charlie Wilson's War re Iraqis is that where they became reposible for 9/11 LOL

Kid Ryder
31-12-2010, 12:06 AM
The Empire had its uses for 'the Islamic world' back then I see. Pity to see such a wholesome relationship go so sour!:rolleyes:

Edo
31-12-2010, 12:19 AM
kinda makes ya wonder why they are back there again 30 years later - this time in a quasi-russian role.

Fecks sake - Afganistan isn't worth a bucket of cold piss - let alone all the lives that have been lost in a pointless war in a country that doesnt exist in reality - its just a load of mountain valleys filled with mad bastards who would start a 10 year blood feud if a neighbours goat looked at them or their daughters the wrong way.

the only two "logical" reasons for supporting the mayor of kabul and his cronies would be heroin and the oil pipeline.

Legalising heroin would see the arse fall out of that market - ie allowing other more productive areas to farm it and sell it - there would be no economic reason for producing heroin up in the hindu kush at all.

By the time an oil pipeline gets built and gets to function properly , without parts of it being blown to smithereens on monday,tuesday and wednesday- and every little jumped up warlord and his mates blackmailing it every 5 miles on thursday,friday, saturday and sunday - I'll be running my car on carrot juice - pointless.

Just the get the f^ck out of the place and let them get on with it - who cares as long as they stay up there and keep it too themselves.

youngdan
31-12-2010, 01:53 AM
the war has put a trillion dollars into the economy. The depression would be here years ago otherwise

Lapsedmethodist
31-12-2010, 12:51 PM
kinda makes ya wonder why they are back there again 30 years later - this time in a quasi-russian role.

Fecks sake - Afganistan isn't worth a bucket of cold piss - let alone all the lives that have been lost in a pointless war in a country that doesnt exist in reality - its just a load of mountain valleys filled with mad bastards who would start a 10 year blood feud if a neighbours goat looked at them or their daughters the wrong way.

the only two "logical" reasons for supporting the mayor of kabul and his cronies would be heroin and the oil pipeline.

Legalising heroin would see the arse fall out of that market - ie allowing other more productive areas to farm it and sell it - there would be no economic reason for producing heroin up in the hindu kush at all.

By the time an oil pipeline gets built and gets to function properly , without parts of it being blown to smithereens on monday,tuesday and wednesday- and every little jumped up warlord and his mates blackmailing it every 5 miles on thursday,friday, saturday and sunday - I'll be running my car on carrot juice - pointless.

Just the get the f^ck out of the place and let them get on with it - who cares as long as they stay up there and keep it too themselves.

Ah... there's the rub !:)

C. Flower
31-12-2010, 12:54 PM
the war has put a trillion dollars into the economy. The depression would be here years ago otherwise

Excellent point, well made.

Mick Tully
31-12-2010, 02:02 PM
There are paying for it now, and will more than likely pay for it for the next century.

truth.ie
31-12-2010, 02:36 PM
No doubt some of the arms that the British delivered to the Resistance are now being used against British troops.
It was also claimed that the CIA tried to train the Muj in the 80s on the tactic of car-bombs in urban warfare, but the Muj were'nt interested in this form of warfare, and refused.
Thay later did though.

Karmas a *****.