New Parties with names As Gaeilge

[Lifeisagame]

Why do New Parties believe that having their Names in the Irish Language do anything for them?
I am from the old school and resent the fact that even in my youth I got the living daylights beaten out of me to learn a language that we only talked in that class in school. I left School with a bitter hatred for it as a result.
I believe that Irish Language school camps are bordering on training at Hitler youth camps. Particularly having heard reports from many who attended or whose children did.

I believe that the vast majority of Irish citizens do not give a damn if the Language dies and probably would not notice anyway.
New parties like Fis Nua, sorry to single you out as I think you may succeed, if you start at your home and then spread out asking people what the name means, you will be lonely.
Eirigi, comon what the hell, my first thought was it meant get up.
The Irish Language is fine for those that like it and they are a vast minority if you just sample those around you.
In Schools, my experience with my children and friends was, it means nothing I would fail anyway so go for foundation level.
Time to move on folks. This Language has no place in the Real World.

[C. Flower]

I feel your pain.

[Lifeisagame]

I feel your pain.
It is Real and Genuine and I did not start this Thread to bait people.

[Apjp]

It is Real and Genuine and I did not start this Thread to bait people.

I want to learn it, and so would many people if it was taught in a way human beings could actually learn from. Pearse must be rolling in his grave at the thought of Gaeilge symbolising the murder machine. Treat people like they are stupid for 14 years and tell them they should know it already and they will hate what you forcefeed them. horse to water and all that..

[Lifeisagame]

I want to learn it, and so would many people if it was taught in a way human beings could actually learn from. Pearse must be rolling in his grave at the thought of Gaeilge symbolising the murder machine. Treat people like they are stupid for 14 years and tell them they should know it already and they will hate what you forcefeed them. horse to water and all that..
Ask around you at your age and see how many can listen and understand An Nuacht, :o first tell them it is the News.

[Sam Lord]

It is Real and Genuine and I did not start this Thread to bait people.



Do you often find people using the words, "If", "brains", and "dangerous" in the one sentence ?

[Lifeisagame]

Do you often find people using the words, "If", "brains", and "dangerous" in the one sentence ?
Nah but tell you what, why don't you and I Post in different languages for the next 3 days, later today we will do Gaeilge. Ok "Brains"
Also, using the play the ball rules I would appreciate an appropriate answer rather that talking Tommy language, I have never insulted you and would appreciate the same respect. This is not the first time you have been personally rude either. So play the Ball or leave it.

[Lifeisagame]

Is Féidir Linn another one for the who the hell are you Party list.

[Lifeisagame]

Fianna Éireann
Fiann Éireann
Oglaigh ne hÉireann
Amhrán Nua

Just a few more
:confused:

[C. Flower]

It is Real and Genuine and I did not start this Thread to bait people.

My comment was real and genuine. You seem to have had a horrendous experience of Irish. But surely it was the system and people teaching it that did the damage, not the language itself ?

[Lifeisagame]

My comment was real and genuine. You seem to have had a horrendous experience of Irish. But surely it was the system and people teaching it that did the damage, not the language itself ?
I will admit that part of it is being at the mercy of the Christian Brothers. But I did witness others who attended the Gaelteacht suffered at the hands of their Gestapo.
However, while it may be our Mother tongue it has no place in our daily life and too much money is wasted on it, it will never be revived and should be an optional subject in schools like any other language.
But if it was optional I wonder how many would sit it.

[Lá an Lúbáin]

No , it's just another pathetic excuse for a rant at the Irish language, apparently.

"Blah, blah, they beat me, blah , blah...bloody nazis....blah, blah...they're all nazis....and you're being a nazi just replying or challenging by right to hate the language. "

If you don't like a political party that has their name in Irish, don't vote for them.

Feel your pain?

Not much.

[truth.ie]

OK. I also think it's short sighted to name your party in Irish. It's insular and prevents your message being reached by those abroad who use Google have an interest in Irish politics but don't speak Gaeilge.
We all know the name of the Scottish Nationalist Party, but few know their Welsh counterparts. Why? Because it's in bloody Welsh!

I wasted several years learning Latin despite the fact that even the Romans have stopped using it. I also studied Gaeilge in College.
To be completely honest, and I'm as patriotic as anyone, I believe it was as useful as Latin.
Castro, Bolivar or Guevara were as Anti Colonial as anyone, but still spoke the mother tongue of the Spanish Imperialists. They didn't revert to pre-Imperialist Indiginous languages. They moved on and focused on the bread and butter issues.
Believe me I've been ravaged by other Republicans for having this view. It's my personal opinion here.

[Sam Lord]

Believe me I've been ravaged by other Republicans for having this view. It's my personal opinion here.

It is an incorrect view.

A language is more than a means of communication. A peoples language is the repository of thousands of years of their culture. It plays a role in shaping them and determining what they are. For any people to lose their language is a huge thing. It is not a question of nationalism or utility ... it is a question of cherishing your uniqueness and the value in what you are.

[truth.ie]

It is an incorrect view.

A language is more than a means of communication. A peoples language is the repository of thousands of years of their culture. It plays a role in shaping them and determining what they are. For any people to lose their language is a huge thing. It is not a question of nationalism or utility ... it is a question of cherishing your uniqueness and the value in what you are.
A language is lost (forever) somewhere in the World every 15 days.
To continue using a language solely for uniqueness, is simply paying lip service, and adopting a King Canute pose. As I said look at Latin. Once spoke throughout Europe and now dead. Maybe in centuries time English and Spanish will be dead also.
I lived in Catalonia for several years and saw how their attempts to boost the language by putting Catalan before Spanish or English in the school curriculum.
They also plan to dub ALL movies in Catalan with NO subtitles, and fine cinema owners who refuse!
Fine ideas! Patriotic! But now they have 40% of their youth unemployed,with a poor level of Spanish and English, leaving them with nowhere to go.
To me it's simple. Learn a language that will serve you best today.

[Sam Lord]

A language is lost (forever) somewhere in the World every 15 days.


Does that not bother you?

To me it's like losing plant and animal species. The world is a lesser place.

[truth.ie]

Does that not bother you?

To me it's like losing plant and animal species. The world is a lesser place.
Of course it's sad. But I also miss going on holidays and spending and handling Italian Lira, Spanish pesetas and French Francs.
If your kid was to have the ability to speak a second language fluently, what would you choose, Sam?
Gaeilge or one of the biggies?

[Sam Lord]

If your kid was to have the ability to speak a second language fluently, what would you choose, Sam?
Gaeilge or one of the biggies?

It's not mutually exclusive. The opposite in fact.

I don't have a word of Irish being a foreigner but when I lived in Dublin my kids went to the local naoinra and then gaelscoil. It gave them a remarkable facility to acquire other languages.

[Sam Lord]

Of course it's sad. But I also miss going on holidays and spending and handling Italian Lira, Spanish pesetas and French Francs.


It's an analogy ok but I'm not sure how apt.

What about Irish music ... would it not matter at all if that went by the wayside? We could listen to some sort of global pop after all.

[truth.ie]

It's an analogy ok but I'm not sure how apt.

What about Irish music ... would it not matter at all if that went by the wayside? We could listen to some sort of global pop after all.
I listen to both good Irish music and good foreign music.
Your anology was worse than mine haha!

[Sam Lord]

I listen to both good Irish music and good foreign music.


I'm not sure that that is really an answer to my question ..

[truth.ie]

I'm not sure that that is really an answer to my question ..
It's a completely different angle.
People listen to the music that they enjoy listening to.
Language is about communication. About being able to get get your views and ideas to the widest audience. And also about understanding other peoples and cultures.
It has to move with the times and be fluid. Otherwise I'd be communicating with you now in Ulster Scots with a quill and hemp-paper.

[Gruffalo]

It's not mutually exclusive. The opposite in fact.

I don't have a word of Irish being a foreigner but when I lived in Dublin my kids went to the local naoinra and then gaelscoil. It gave them a remarkable facility to acquire other languages.

I spent hours on a bus last night speaking to a young man who was educated through welsh until he was 7. His family then left Wales. He no longer speaks Welsh but he is 100% confident that it has given him the ability to learn other languages with ease. He is currently studying Persian and Arabic. Any of the psychological research I have read would suggest that he is right.

As for the OP, why would you expect any better? It's yet another pointless thread full of the same nonsense.

[Lifeisagame]

Not really, actually I speak Irish fluently and will contiue to do so.
But in my day to day life through family, social and business there is no place for it.
Regarding Irish music, it is world renowned and probably always will be.
However, if you want to appeal to the young in the development of future Parties, make it easy for them to start with your name and then look at your Manifesto.
I am a most proud man to be Irish and though travelled widely there is Nowhere I would live other than Ireland. This Thread is not about Ireland, simply the language.
On the World stage you have to be able to communicate in a most common language and at this time it is English like it or not. Attack me as you may for creating the Thread, but it is genuine and real.
Test it among your family and friends and come back and tell us what percentage can listen to An Nuacht and fully understand it. Be fair, honest and truthful in your response.
As yet Nobody has shown that to be true. So I challenge you to come back with statistics showing I am wrong, surely based on the criticism you have done this and not just given an emotive response.

[A new lovers arrival]

I was sent to a Gaeltacht when I was a kid, I think the Hitler Youth camp comparison is apt. In fact the 'leader' of the one I was sent to in Ring was nicknamed ‘Hitler’ on account of his appearance.

There are a few things I would like to see happen to aid the removal of the Gaelic language from the Irish Psyche.

All new road signs should be put up in English only and legacy ones replaced.
Townlands and names of streets and estates should be converted into their English equivalent.
Replacement of the Gaelic national anthem with the EU Anthem, we are all Europeans after all there is no place for insular songs full of romantic nonsense, in fact all countries should just adopt Ode to Joy and later perhaps a new anthem to reflect the values of Equality and Fraternity that the European Union symbolises.
No special resources for Gaelic speaking areas and Gaelic schools.
Extra charges for documents that have to be translated into Irish.
Education in schools to teach children how to counteract the regressive attitudes of the older generation who would of course in many instances would be anglo-phobes.

I think we can thank the British for giving us a truly international language, but we really need to finish the job they started by wiping out the remnants of this horrid guttural tongue once and for all.

Its handy to know right away which parties not to vote for, let them keep their stupid Gaelic names.

[Kid Ryder]

A language is lost (forever) somewhere in the World every 15 days.
To continue using a language solely for uniqueness, is simply paying lip service, and adopting a King Canute pose. As I said look at Latin. Once spoke throughout Europe and now dead. Maybe in centuries time English and Spanish will be dead also.
I lived in Catalonia for several years and saw how their attempts to boost the language by putting Catalan before Spanish or English in the school curriculum.
They also plan to dub ALL movies in Catalan with NO subtitles, and fine cinema owners who refuse!
Fine ideas! Patriotic! But now they have 40% of their youth unemployed,with a poor level of Spanish and English, leaving them with nowhere to go.
To me it's simple. Learn a language that will serve you best today.

Ní díolann Gaeilge an bhó. Is that all you believe in truthy?

[Sam Lord]

I was sent to a Gaeltacht when I was a kid, I think the Hitler Youth camp comparison is apt. In fact the 'leader' of the one I was sent to in Ring was nicknamed ‘Hitler’ on account of his appearance.

There are a few things I would like to see happen to aid the removal of the Gaelic language from the Irish Psyche.

All new road signs should be put up in English only and legacy ones replaced.
Townlands and names of streets and estates should be converted into their English equivalent.
Replacement of the Gaelic national anthem with the EU Anthem, we are all Europeans after all there is no place for insular songs full of romantic nonsense, in fact all countries should just adopt Ode to Joy and later perhaps a new anthem to reflect the values of Equality and Fraternity that the European Union symbolises.
No special resources for Gaelic speaking areas and Gaelic schools.
Extra charges for documents that have to be translated into Irish.
Education in schools to teach children how to counteract the regressive attitudes of the older generation who would of course in many instances would be anglo-phobes.

I think we can thank the British for giving us a truly international language, but we really need to finish the job they started by wiping out the remnants of this horrid guttural tongue once and for all.

Its handy to know right away which parties not to vote for, let them keep their stupid Gaelic names.

Why not just move across the Irish Sea? It is something you could actually carry out.

[A new lovers arrival]

Why not just move across the Irish Sea? It is something you could actually carry out.

Steadily Irish is being wiped out, just not quickly enough a chara,:D

[Sam Lord]

Steadily Irish is being wiped out, just not quickly enough a chara,:D

Really? I thought there was a big revival on ...

[Lifeisagame]

Why not just move across the Irish Sea? It is something you could actually carry out.
Because people have genuine beliefs that differ from others does not mean they should cease to exist in this country. If you want to really understand the destruction of Gaeilge then start with the Clergy that ran the schools, same animals different issue.
But I will still ask one question, why do we need Gaeilge to survive?

[Sam Lord]

Not really, actually I speak Irish fluently and will contiue to do so.


You would be the first sane person in the history of the world to take the trouble to learn a language fluentlyand then advocate that it be eliminated.

[Lifeisagame]

You would be the first sane person in the history of the world to take the trouble to learn a language fluentlyand then advocate that it be eliminated.
If you read what I Post you will note I learned it fluently to avoid the beatings on a daily basis. In Secondary School I was only allowed to learn one subject in English and that was English. I even learned Spanish and Religious Knowledge through Irish.
So yes I am fluent but not by choice.
Furthermore, when the only other male in your family, the father, dies as you enter the school you are running for survival.
I hope that clarifies it for you.

[Sam Lord]

If you want to really understand the destruction of Gaeilge then start with the Clergy that ran the schools, same animals different issue.

Perhaps we should eliminate all the subjects they taught badly...



But I will still ask one question, why do we need Gaeilge to survive?

We don't. Just like we don't need literature, music, or such things which are alien to your comprehension.

[Sam Lord]

I am from the old school and resent the fact that even in my youth I got the living daylights beaten out of me to learn a language that we only talked in that class in school.


Hmmm ... many different stories being told here.

[Lifeisagame]

Perhaps we should eliminate all the subjects they taught badly...



We don't. Just like we don't need literature, music, or such things which are alien to your comprehension.
Sam
A simple question, when did I yank your chain and how do we stop this unnecessary attacks? I am a simple man just tell me what happened.

[Sam Lord]

Sam
A simple question, when did I yank your chain and how do we stop this unnecessary attacks?

I'm thinking about Oscar Wilde's famous deathbed quote regarding the wallpaper...:)

[Lifeisagame]

I'm thinking about Oscar Wilde's famous deathbed quote regarding the wallpaper...:)
Sorry don't do Oscar Wilde, just mutual resolutions.

[moss]

Hmmm ... many different stories being told here.

Well spotted Sam.

[Lifeisagame]

Sorry don't do Oscar Wilde, just mutual resolutions.
Happy New Year

[Lá an Lúbáin]

Happy New Year

Are you running away now that you've been caught telling porky pies?

What is it with the anti-Irish brigade that they have to make stuff up? Did the Christian brothers beat dishonesty into you as well?

[Lifeisagame]

Are you running away now that you've been caught telling porky pies?

What is it with the anti-Irish brigade that they have to make stuff up? Did the Christian brothers beat dishonesty into you as well?
Nope I stand over what I believe, even if it is not what others want to hear. But I do respect the opinions of all.
That is the ethos of a good forum like this.
Also a Happy New Year to You.
May next year give us all some more hope for the future of our great Island.
I never was or will be a throll i am just me and consistant.
There is areport button if you want rid of me though

[Lá an Lúbáin]

Nope I stand over what I believe, even if it is not what others want to hear. But I do respect the opinions of all.
That is the ethos of a good forum like this.
Also a Happy New Year to You.
May next year give us all some more hope for the future of our great Island.
I never was or will be a throll i am just me and consistant.
There is areport button if you want rid of me though

I think I know where you can stuff your new year wishes. How about a bit of honesty instead of pathetic feigned love bombing? You come off with a crock about Irish and your anguished childhood and when a poster cathches you with the pants down you start this cowardly " Oh how can engage with these people " . You started ranting about the Irish language on a thread about the DSW election and then ran away. How about not starting attention seeking threads that are full of 5hit? Grow up and be a bit honest.

[Lifeisagame]

i think i know where you can stuff your new year wishes. How about a bit of honesty instead of pathetic feigned love bombing? You come off with a crock about irish and your anguished childhood and when a poster cathches you with the pants down you start this cowardly " oh how can engage with these people " . You started ranting about the irish language on a thread about the dsw election and then ran away. How about not starting attention seeking threads that are full of 5hit? Grow up and be a bit honest.
dsw????

[Lifeisagame]

This Thread was posted to trigger debate on Gaeilge, no I do not like the language.
However, it has now grown in to a very unsavoury Thread that has upset people more than I thought, even knowing it was provocative.
If it has seriously offended people, it was not my intention. My life experiences are factual.
But are mine not yours.
For this reason I unreservedly apologise to anyone it caused personal offence and am happy if the Mods wish to lock it. If People wish to probe me further then I am also happy to leave it open or indeed discuss by PM.
It is my Thread and my responsibility.
Regards
Liag
I will be on periodically throughout the evening, but not all the time as I have family over.

[Lifeisagame]

Suppose I better go with head high.
I find, after careful scrutiny, no Post where I lied.
I did the reasonable thing, even after a PM to the Mod on the thread, fourth PM and no reply. I was publically called to question here on a sensitive and provocative Thread. I will Post again if I am permitted but I will not allowmy right to free speech to be harnessed by those that believe I am wrong. I did everything possible to calm the waters including asking the MOD to lock the Thread down.
That is it, I am now ready to defend my Thread against anyone unless I am banned. How dare you people with mediocre Irish names claim rights to stop the Free Speech of those that disagree.
I will repeat " I hate the gaeilge"

[C. Flower]

Truth.ie posted this over on Tok! a while back. A language dies every 2 weeks -


I found this quite surprising.
Should we be concerned or move on?
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/mission/enduringvoices/ (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/mission/enduringvoices/)
Will we be left with just the biggies in our lifetime? It seems so.

[Lifeisagame]

Truth.ie posted this over on Tok! a while back. A language dies every 2 weeks -
It is an unfortunite fact of life, but we need to move on and grasp the nettle. Gaeilge will not earn us one cent in Ireland, except in the Gaelteacht where they run indoctrination programs,<MOD CF>.
We badly need multi national language training for our people to be able to work on the World Stage. Anything less will leave us wanting.
But those that fight it are holding us back and should be resisted. Having re-read the Thread numerous times I withdraw my apologies I was just pacifying the the Members for the sake of it and the day that was in it. So let us go for it and prove the truth. The MOD in question and I am Not naming should have the courtesy to respond to PMs rather than inflaming an issue, you failed.

[C. Flower]

Just saw on the news that Sri Lanka has passed a law and is removing all the remaining British colonial place names.

I believe they intend to keep their own language.

[antiestablishmentarian]

It is an unfortunite fact of life, but we need to move on and grasp the nettle. Gaeilge will not earn us one cent in Ireland, except in the Gaelteacht where they run indoctrination programs,<MOD CF>.
We badly need multi national language training for our people to be able to work on the World Stage. Anything less will leave us wanting.
But those that fight it are holding us back and should be resisted. Having re-read the Thread numerous times I withdraw my apologies I was just pacifying the the Members for the sake of it and the day that was in it. So let us go for it and prove the truth. The MOD in question and I am Not naming should have the courtesy to respond to PMs rather than inflaming an issue, you failed.

The decline in the daily use of Irish owes much to the way it was taught by the organs of the new state after 1922, but despite all the harm they've inflicted on it the language can still be saved and should be as well- alot could be done if the current level of expenditure on the language was properly targetted to the sectors it should be. As for the question of Gaeilge and foreign languages, a good grounding in Irish makes it easier to learn other languages, so it's not Irish or the teaching time dedicated to it that's ruining the proficiency of many students in French or German, in many cases it's the coursework and underqualified teachers who need to consult dictionaries each time someone is asking them to conjugate the imperfect tense. And for cultural value, which it seems to me is the key point here, each language that is lost is another way of looking at life, a different perspective on the world if you will, lost, and imho that is a tragedy deserving of more attention than it's currently receiving. Not everything is about money, and if you were to judge something purely by its fiscal value, as some people are prone to do with gold, then you'd miss out on many of the best things in life.

[Lifeisagame]

The decline in the daily use of Irish owes much to the way it was taught by the organs of the new state after 1922, but despite all the harm they've inflicted on it the language can still be saved and should be as well- alot could be done if the current level of expenditure on the language was properly targetted to the sectors it should be. As for the question of Gaeilge and foreign languages, a good grounding in Irish makes it easier to learn other languages, so it's not Irish or the teaching time dedicated to it that's ruining the proficiency of many students in French or German, in many cases it's the coursework and underqualified teachers who need to consult dictionaries each time someone is asking them to conjugate the imperfect tense. And for cultural value, which it seems to me is the key point here, each language that is lost is another way of looking at life, a different perspective on the world if you will, lost, and imho that is a tragedy deserving of more attention than it's currently receiving. Not everything is about money, and if you were to judge something purely by its fiscal value, as some people are prone to do with gold, then you'd miss out on many of the best things in life.
What you say may be true, but I did not ask that Gaeilge be banished from Ireland. I did give my personal opinion that I dislike the language, which I am entitled to. I did suggest that the language be optional in schools.
I knew the Thread would be provocative but it was a valid Thread. I did offer apologies if I offended anyone. But I do stand over the Thread even though it strayed miles off topic.
I will take Fis Nua as an example, I do so because I like this Party and believe it has legs, but walk down the any main street or any shopping center and ask what it means. I believe many may get Nua and you will count on one hand those that will get FIS, try it among family or friends, I did it basically verified for Me that my theory is correct and will now get a torrent of Posts about my family and friends being dumb.
I still believe New Parties with names As Gaeilge stand to lose votes because of people not understanding what the name means.

[Iolo]

Why do New Parties believe that having their Names in the Irish Language do anything for them?
I am from the old school and resent the fact that even in my youth I got the living daylights beaten out of me to learn a language that we only talked in that class in school. I left School with a bitter hatred for it as a result.
I believe that Irish Language school camps are bordering on training at Hitler youth camps. Particularly having heard reports from many who attended or whose children did.

I believe that the vast majority of Irish citizens do not give a damn if the Language dies and probably would not notice anyway.
New parties like Fis Nua, sorry to single you out as I think you may succeed, if you start at your home and then spread out asking people what the name means, you will be lonely.
Eirigi, comon what the hell, my first thought was it meant get up.
The Irish Language is fine for those that like it and they are a vast minority if you just sample those around you.
In Schools, my experience with my children and friends was, it means nothing I would fail anyway so go for foundation level.
Time to move on folks. This Language has no place in the Real World.

Because you were taught by bullies is no reason to give up the language your people spoke back beyond any memory to those bullies. Take it back!

[Hapax]

Anybody read The Last Lingua Franca by Nicholas Ostler? I've not laid hands on a copy yet myself, but it seems relevant. Here's from a review:


English in the global age is often portrayed as an exceptional case. Writers who take this view point out that English differs from previous lingua francas in two important ways: first, it has no serious competition, and second, although it was originally spread by conquest, commerce and missionaries, its influence no longer depends on coercion. Because of this, the argument runs, it will not suffer the fate of its predecessors.

But Ostler thinks this argument underplays both the social costs of maintaining a lingua franca (it is not true that English is universally loved) and the deep, enduring loyalty people have to their native tongues. For millennia we have been willing to compromise our linguistic loyalties in exchange for various rewards; but if the rewards could be had without the compromise, we would gladly lay our burden down. Ostler believes that we will soon be able to do that. English, he suggests, will be the last lingua franca. As Anglo-American hegemony withers, the influence of English will decline; but what succeeds it will not be any other single language. Rather we will see a technologically-enabled return to a state of Babel. Thanks to advances in computer translation, "everyone will speak and write in whatever language they choose, and the world will understand".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/dec/04/last-lingua-franca-ostler-review

[Lifeisagame]

Anybody read The Last Lingua Franca by Nicholas Ostler? I've not laid hands on a copy yet myself, but it seems relevant. Here's from a review:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/dec/04/last-lingua-franca-ostler-review
Quite an interesting theory.

[Lifeisagame]

Because you were taught by bullies is no reason to give up the language your people spoke back beyond any memory to those bullies. Take it back!
But I have nothing to take back.
1. I believe Gaeilge should be an optional language in schools.
2. I do not ask for it to be banned, though it's use is increasingly diminishing.
3. I believe New Parties with names As Gaeigle may lose votes through lack of understanding of their Name.
4. I Personally detest the Language, but that is me. My wife loves it and my children have no interest one way or another.

This is a Thread about Party Names not the survival of the Gaeilge which would be of zero interest to Me and just Me.

[C. Flower]

I'm more interested in why Irish names have been chosen by so many groups and parties. Is it a nod at Republicanism, or a certain kind of "branding" that can get a product or a business named in Irish, or a mixture of the two? I think we have some members of Political World who went through the process of selecting a party name, and I would be really interested to hear why they chose an Irish name.

[Lifeisagame]

I'm more interested in why Irish names have been chosen by so many groups and parties. Is it a nod at Republicanism, or a certain kind of "branding" that can get a product or a business named in Irish, or a mixture of the two? I think we have some members of Political World who went through the process of selecting a party name, and I would be really interested to hear why they chose an Irish name.
Agreed andam a bit surprised none have Posted.

[Murra]

Life, not everybody's experience of learning the language has been as negative as yours. I loved Irish in school and was good at it. It instilled in me a love of the language which I didn't, unfortunately, get at home.

Like all our values, a love of the language begins in the home. My own children went to a Gaelscoil, which I helped to establish. They went to the Gaeltacht every summer and loved it there, in fact, would be very sad to come home. Irish was never forced down their throats, but spoken as a living language, and that's the only way to teach it.

My son is dyslexic and has an exemption from Irish in school, but has freely chosen to continue with it as a leaving cert subject.

[Lifeisagame]

Life, not everybody's experience of learning the language has been as negative as yours. I loved Irish in school and was good at it. It instilled in me a love of the language which I didn't, unfortunately, get at home.

Like all our values, a love of the language begins in the home. My own children went to a Gaelscoil, which I helped to establish. They went to the Gaeltacht every summer and loved it there, in fact, would be very sad to come home. Irish was never forced down their throats, but spoken as a living language, and that's the only way to teach it.

My son is dyslexic and has an exemption from Irish in school, but has freely chosen to continue with it as a leaving cert subject.
Murra
I understand and accept your position.
But I still ask the question, how many people would you expect to meet, say in Grafton street, that will be capable of translating Fis?
This is not about my love or hate of the Language it is about levels of understanding within the general public.