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antiestablishmentarian
23-11-2010, 12:39 PM
A meeting of Irish MEP's with EU commissioner Olli Rehn was one short after Joe Higgins, Socialist Party MEP for Dublin walked out after 2 minutes. Joe was told that the details of the meeting were to be kept secret, but he refused to accept this condition and walked out. This was a good move by Joe, he displayed the integrity everyone has come to expect of him while putting pressure on the other non-FF MEP's to 'spill the beans'.


10.10am: An Irish member of the European parliament has just stormed out of a "closed door" meeting of Irish MEPs in Brussels after the EU's commissioner for monetary affairs, Olli Rehn (left), told him the content of the meeting was to remain secret. He walked out after two minutes.
"What he said was: 'I could give the party line or share the real info,'" said Socialist MEP Joe Higgins, adding that Rehn spoke with a forked tongue – one for the media and one for MEPs.
The Irish MEPs had been invited to a meeting with Rehn following growing unease about the political unrest in Ireland.
Earlier this month Rehn flew to Ireland to urge opposition parties to put national interest first and support the upcoming budget.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/business/ireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll/2010/nov/23/ireland?cat=business&type=article

C. Flower
23-11-2010, 12:40 PM
80% right.

100% right would have been to go, and then tell us what was said. :)

C. Flower
23-11-2010, 12:43 PM
Will the MEPs who did attend the meeting tell us what "secrets" they share with Rehn and cannot share with the Irish electorate?

Sidewinder
23-11-2010, 12:50 PM
Battle lines are now clearly drawn. It's very very obviously now We The People Vs an irredeemably filthy corrupt insane bloodsucking leech of a political class.

We need to rip this parasite off our backs. Refuse to co-operate with their lunatic schemes any longer. Let's face it, none of these people actually have the education, work experience or life skills to be looked on as a serious candidate for the job of going down the shop for a litre of milk, never mind running entire countries. They are verminous scumbag parasites, blustering and freeloading their way to the top at our expense.

Just Say No.

Slim Buddha
23-11-2010, 12:54 PM
Battle lines are now clearly drawn. It's very very obviously now We The People Vs an irredeemably filthy corrupt insane bloodsucking leech of a political class.

We need to rip this parasite off our backs. Refuse to co-operate with their lunatic schemes any longer. Let's face it, none of these people actually have the education, work experience or life skills to be looked on as a serious candidate for the job of going down the shop for a litre of milk, never mind running entire countries. They are verminous scumbag parasites, blustering and freeloading their way to the top at our expense.

Just Say No.

You don't make it clear, Sidewinder, whether you think Higgins is one of the political class you so clearly despise. He is, after all, a politician. I think Joe was right to do what he did, despite not being his biggest fan. Whatever people say about him, he has a certain integrity which most of the rest of his kind don't possess.

disability student
23-11-2010, 01:01 PM
A meeting of Irish MEP's with EU commissioner Olli Rehn was one short after Joe Higgins, Socialist Party MEP for Dublin walked out after 2 minutes. Joe was told that the details of the meeting were to be kept secret, but he refused to accept this condition and walked out. This was a good move by Joe, he displayed the integrity everyone has come to expect of him while putting pressure on the other non-FF MEP's to 'spill the beans'.



http://m.guardian.co.uk/business/ireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll/2010/nov/23/ireland?cat=business&type=article

Fair play to Joe Higgins as he kept his integrity intact. You will have to wonder how many 'secrets' were kept or NOT revealed from us when FF attended these meetings representing us as our government. It only illustrates how corrupt and shady were EU political class including our politicans as well as it stinks to high heavens.:(

onemorething
23-11-2010, 01:19 PM
The notion of 'secrets' not to be shared with the children is out of hand. On Frontline and VB last night Minsters defended the idea that the cost, purpose and timing of the ECB bailout is a legitimate govnt secret. Once 'secrets' were restricted to protecting the location of toops in war - now state finances and taxation are in that frame.

So who is being protected? The names of the golden circle, the corruption and incompetence at the heart of government and the destination (Germany France, UK) of our taxes is my guess.

Joe Higgins deserves support for drawing a line.

Design for Life
23-11-2010, 01:38 PM
100% right would have been to go, and then tell us what was said. :)


This was my feeling as soon as I heard about it.
Is it possible there was some kind of binding contract that they didn't have to sign but were automatically bound to by attending the meeting?

This nonsense of secret meetings is glorified oligarchic dictatorship.

matt
23-11-2010, 02:13 PM
80% right.

100% right would have been to go, and then tell us what was said. :)

Jesus - it's insane he didn't. What was he thinking ?

wickedfairy
23-11-2010, 02:14 PM
yes, tend to agree - a bit hotheaded of him. Pity. Maybe he had to swear on his wife and kids' life that he wouldn't tell and couldnt take that chance! :):)

antiestablishmentarian
23-11-2010, 02:17 PM
Joe has a sense of honour- it would have galled him to stay in a meeting where he was sworn not to repeat it and then to have to break that later, I imagine he would have seen that as breaking his word. Ye're also forgetting that he's put Labour/Fg MEP's in the position where they will have to face awkward questions for failing to repeat what was going on.

Munnkeyman
23-11-2010, 02:23 PM
How about everyone emails their local MEP.
Ask them what was said in the meeting.
If they refuse to answer in the first email tell them their
refusal to honour the Irish Electorate will be noted and published
online.


Constituency : Dublin
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Constituency : North-West
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Constituency : East
[email protected]
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Constituency : South
[email protected] , [email protected]
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[email protected]

onemorething
23-11-2010, 03:10 PM
Joe has a sense of honour-

He does have a sense of honour and it is that quality that makes him credible and effective - to compromise on that is to be like the rest - and we know where that leads

Lapsedmethodist
23-11-2010, 05:21 PM
Joe has a sense of honour-

He well may have but he's being a drama queen here. Who is going to do business with people that leave a meeting and start spinning ?

A bit like Snoddy turning up to protest at the building he works in. FFS !!

C. Flower
23-11-2010, 05:37 PM
How about everyone emails their local MEP.
Ask them what was said in the meeting.
If they refuse to answer in the first email tell them their
refusal to honour the Irish Electorate will be noted and published
online.


Constituency : Dublin
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Constituency : North-West
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Constituency : East
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Constituency : South
[email protected] , [email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Very good.

Munnkeyman
23-11-2010, 07:04 PM
Very good.

Thanks;)

Here is what I sent.


As an Irish Citizen and resident voter in the North West Constituency, which you represent,
I believe I have a right to know what was discussed,
between you and your fellow Irish M.E.P.s and European Commissioner for Economic and Financial Affairs Olli Rehn,
on this day the twenty third of November 2010.

I would like to know the answers to the following questions,

1. What was discussed at the meeting?

2. What led to one of our M.E.P.s to walk out of the meeting?

3. Why was the secrecy necessary?

4. Do you believe it to be acceptable for the European Commissioner for Economic and Financial Affairs to host a secret closed door meeting
with all of the M.E.P.s from a single country.

5. If the above questions cannot be answered in totality, I would like to know the reason why that is not the case.



Yours Sincerely,

Munnkeyman's real name.

Maybe others could send out an email of their own to their representative M.E.P.s.
We could publish the results here.
It's a matter of trust now, Who do you trust to represent you..............?

TotalMayhem
23-11-2010, 07:06 PM
Maybe others could send out an email of their own to their representative M.E.P.s.

Done!

Apjp
23-11-2010, 07:19 PM
New thread soon to start on election, candidates and policies of parties. please take part as you see fit as it will be important to know our choices in the weeks or days to come. Thanks, andy. And go on joe!

Munnkeyman
23-11-2010, 07:20 PM
Done!

;):):) Excellent

whydontwe
23-11-2010, 07:22 PM
The notion of 'secrets' not to be shared with the children is out of hand. On Frontline and VB last night Minsters defended the idea that the cost, purpose and timing of the ECB bailout is a legitimate govnt secret. Once 'secrets' were restricted to protecting the location of toops in war - now state finances and taxation are in that frame.

So who is being protected? The names of the golden circle, the corruption and incompetence at the heart of government and the destination (Germany France, UK) of our taxes is my guess.

Joe Higgins deserves support for drawing a line.

Yes onemorething, agree....and would'nt concentrate our ire at Joe Higgins at all...he seems to be the one voice in Europe (that we hear of) consistant in battling against rogue capitalism etc! Co-incidentally...on the "one-show" bbc just now....'news' of a 'prince' in middle-east ...or somewhere...who will inherit £25 billion (25,000,000,000)...?? Boggles the human mind does'nt it?...and angers many more...no doubt!
Rest assured...many, many connected are being protected...just keep observing the 'twisting and diving' that is going to increase from now on! Thanks for your post.

mutley
23-11-2010, 07:35 PM
He well may have but he's being a drama queen here. Who is going to do business with people that leave a meeting and start spinning ?

A bit like Snoddy turning up to protest at the building he works in. FFS !!

You are just disappointed that he did not stay to 'ride the goat' ;-)

ang
23-11-2010, 08:30 PM
Thanks;)
Here is what I sent.
Maybe others could send out an email of their own to their representative M.E.P.s.
We could publish the results here.
It's a matter of trust now, Who do you trust to represent you..............?

I will be very interested to hear who you get replies from. FG MEP Gay Mitchell has accused Joe of being petty and self serving:-


Socialist Party MEP Joe Higgins has been criticised for walking out of a meeting with the EU Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner.

The incident happened during talks on Ireland's economic crisis between Olli Rehn and the Irish MEPs in Strasbourg this morning.

The Commissioner asked for the discussions to be kept confidential as some of the issues he wanted to speak about were not in the public domain.

Fine Gael MEP Gay Mitchell accused Higgins of being petty and self-serving.

"That (the meeting) allows us as MEPs - all of us that stayed - to go back to our different groups here and to our political parties at home better informed to participate in the debate.

"Any of us could have walked out and made protest statements," Mitchell added. "This is not a time for that. This is a time for putting the country's interests first, our children's interests first, the unemployed first… not Joe Higgins first."


http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/higgins-criticised-for-eu-meeting-walkout-482978.html

TotalMayhem
23-11-2010, 08:33 PM
That (the meeting) allows us as MEPs - all of us that stayed - to go back to our different groups here and to our political parties at home better informed to participate in the debate.

... and spread Ollie's "party line"?

whydontwe
23-11-2010, 08:44 PM
Mitchell.."...our children's interests first..." Jesus....if I hear any more rich protected bastard politicians saying that...while, in 'their sights', children have have died all over Ireland waiting for FF AND OTHER POLITICIAN'S to protect them...I think I'll ******g scream!!!!!

TotalMayhem
23-11-2010, 08:57 PM
"This is a time for putting the country's interests first, our children's interests first, the unemployed first… not Joe Higgins first."

Spot the odd one out: no interest after 'the unemployed'.

They'll be put first in line to pay the bankers' ransom. Kiss your jobseeker's allowance good-bye.

ThomasB
23-11-2010, 09:13 PM
There are times when it is prudent to keep quiet for a time.

However this whole saga smells rotten and Higgins was probably right, far too many september banking crisis type deals and decisions been done.

whydontwe
23-11-2010, 09:24 PM
There are times when it is prudent to keep quiet for a time.

However this whole saga smells rotten and Higgins was probably right, far too many september banking crisis type deals and decisions been done.

ThomasB....the smell from Brussels has always been in the air...what the cute-hoors did...and have been doing...along with many Irish politicians...is to supply us with 'gas-masks' so we couldn't immediately detect it! Trouble for them is...they supplied us with retrograde equipment (the cheap bastards)....and the stench is now beginning to seep through!!

People Korps
23-11-2010, 09:42 PM
He should have stayed and spilled the beans what did they do give him sodium pentanol so he confessed to not being able to keep a secret? Or did he lose his cool forget to smile and turn on the record button on his mobile? Annoying it would have been interesting to know the secrets.

wickedfairy
23-11-2010, 10:37 PM
He should have stayed and spilled the beans what did they do give him sodium pentanol so he confessed to not being able to keep a secret? Or did he lose his cool forget to smile and turn on the record button on his mobile? Annoying it would have been interesting to know the secrets.

agreed. He should have fought fire with fire, nodded his head, listened and then spilt the beans. The govenment doing it every day, why couldn't he. A golden opportunity missed. Tragic. Principles being invoked at TOTALLY the wrong time.

Hapax
23-11-2010, 11:22 PM
He should have fought fire with fire, nodded his head, listened and then spilt the beans. The govenment doing it every day, why couldn't he. A golden opportunity missed. Tragic. Principles being invoked at TOTALLY the wrong time.


". . . fire with fire . . . golden opportunity . . ."

It may well have been much less spectacular, just the last straw in an ongoing process of envisioning human misery as statistical, procedural, rather than as being the experience of individuals suffering their own distinct abysses. Another point along that spectrum which includes the banality of evil.

Put otherwise: when capital destroys people, much of the time it's incremental and cumulative. There may be nothing specific to reveal which is worse than the rest, but there may well be a particular level of disgust which cause the stomach to heave.

People Korps
24-11-2010, 12:02 AM
agreed. He should have fought fire with fire, nodded his head, listened and then spilt the beans. The govenment doing it every day, why couldn't he. A golden opportunity missed. Tragic. Principles being invoked at TOTALLY the wrong time.

or he is also playing the game any one alright would have stayed and spilled esp. given his vocal political opposition to what he was about to hear. The f ing mind boggles.

Lapsedmethodist
24-11-2010, 01:19 AM
You are just disappointed that he did not stay to 'ride the goat' ;-)

I couldn't possibly be dissappointed by anything Higgins does having seen his preposterous slogans and heard his blather during the Lisbon debate. He's a one hit wonder and given the state of the economy he's unlikely to be able to repeat it ; there being little need for Turkish labour.

Design for Life
24-11-2010, 08:51 AM
Proinsias has come a long bloody way from his "Sinn Fein" days. What a spa. Total sellout.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
24-11-2010, 08:55 AM
Rehn asks a group of Irish MEPs whether they want the party line or the real news and only one man gets up and walks out.

Sidewinder is dead right about these people. The majority of Irish politicians are busy selling out the country.

http://truthisfree.baywords.com/files/2009/10/Yesforjobs_Lenihan.jpg

Munnkeyman
24-11-2010, 01:20 PM
I will be very interested to hear who you get replies from. FG MEP Gay Mitchell has accused Joe of being petty and self serving:-



http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/higgins-criticised-for-eu-meeting-walkout-482978.html

Here we go Ang.
It seems to me that they were discussing
the Corporation Tax rate.
No response from Jim Higgins as of yet.

Marian Harkin MEP

Dear Munnkeyman,

I would like to respond to your email so as to reassure you about the
subject and nature of our meeting with Olli Rehn yesterday.

First and foremost, the meeting was behind closed doors at the
Commissioner's request, not ours. Secondly, the notion that this was a
'secret' meeting is not accurate - in fact, all the Commissioner could
really tell us was that discussions were ongoing. He was not able to
specify the amount of money Ireland would be promised, which of course
has subsequently come to light this morning. For our part, we made it
abundantly clear that from the Irish perspective, we are willing to
negotiate fairly and maturely with all relevant bodies, but as far as we
are concerned Ireland's corporation tax is not up for discussion.

I attended the meeting because I believe it is important to keep all
channels of communication open, in order to best influence what happens
at EU level. This will be vitally important for Ireland and all her
citizens in the coming months and years.

For your information, here are links to two speeches I delivered in the
European Parliament this week, which outline my feelings as to how the
EU should respond to the crisis:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/speech/20101122/1290534853641_01_en.doc
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/speech/20101122/1290463350414_01_en.doc

These give a good outline of my perspective, as do the following press
releases:

http://www.marianharkin.com/index.php?id=20&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=563&tx_ttnews=4&cHash=580870ed8a

http://www.marianharkin.com/index.php?id=20&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=568&tx_ttnews[backPid]=4&cHash=9a831430e4

I hope this is of some help to you, and please do not hesitate to
contact me in future so that I can continue to do everything in my power
to achieve the best outcome for you and the country.

Thanks, and kind regards,

Marian Harkin

Marian Harkin MEP
European Parliament
60, Rue Wiertz
B-1047 Brussels
Belgium

Tel: +32.2.2847797
Fax: +32.2.2849797
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.marianharkin.ie

[B]Pat the Cope Gallagher MEP

Munnkeyman
Thank you for your E mail re meeting yesterday with Commissioner Ollie
Rehn
Mr Rehn requested that the meeting be confidential due to the
sensitivity of
some issues as negotiations were still ongoing with the Irish
authorities
Regards
Pat the Cope Gallagher MAP

Munnkeyman
25-11-2010, 02:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eph-xTTACQ&feature=related

Apjp
25-11-2010, 06:58 PM
As usual with the EU, the Irish people are always the last to hear about issues directly concerning them. Everything from how laws are made, to our matters of taxation go through brussels first and we only hear it when it is far too late and irrelevant. sickening.

TotalMayhem
25-11-2010, 07:52 PM
Joe, shouldn't you be expressing a little gratitude?

Pay rises all round on EU gravy train: Extra £3,000 a year for MEPs (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332803/EU-pay-rises-Extra-3k-year-MEPs-judges-ruling.html)

Munnkeyman
25-11-2010, 09:28 PM
Joe, shouldn't you be expressing a little gratitude?

Pay rises all round on EU gravy train: Extra £3,000 a year for MEPs (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332803/EU-pay-rises-Extra-3k-year-MEPs-judges-ruling.html)

Joe Higgins still takes home an average industrial wage as far as I know.

Design for Life
26-11-2010, 02:56 AM
Joe, shouldn't you be expressing a little gratitude?

Pay rises all round on EU gravy train: Extra £3,000 a year for MEPs (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332803/EU-pay-rises-Extra-3k-year-MEPs-judges-ruling.html)
Daily Mail has no credibility since it's an out and out anti-Europe rag.

Anyway, as someone said, Higgins takes home only avrg industrial wage