Government Announcements at 1pm and 8.15 p.m. - Live Stream to RTE - IMF Arrives

[yehbut_nobut]

A Comment by BBC's Joe Lynham is all over twitter (http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=OcU&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&prmdo=1&tbs=mbl%3A1&q=jblynam&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=):


Major #Ireland annoucement at 1300gmt on Irish tv RTE

[antiestablishmentarian]

I'd imagine something to do with the bailout, but Rte have said on their teletext service that the cabinet are currently meeting to discuss the 4 year plan so might be about that, though I've my fingers crossed for a GE- it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that the cabinet might force Cowen into calling an election to saddle FG/Lab with the odium of implementing the plan and this budget.

[yehbut_nobut]

OMG! One rumour is banks closed tomorrow, according to the pin!

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34392

[Lifeisagame]

A Comment by BBC's Joe Lynham is all over twitter (http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=OcU&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&prmdo=1&tbs=mbl%3A1&q=jblynam&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=): No idea, but there was a Cabinet meeting today.

[C. Flower]

Anyone know if this is on RTE TV or Radio?

Link to their site for streaming here -


http://www.rte.ie/

[C. Flower]

Streaming here - sign off on detailed application to IMF for funds and approval of 4 year plan

http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer2_av.html?1_real,http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/radio/radio1.smil,real,200

[antiestablishmentarian]

Lenihan is going to be on in a couple of minutes.

[Slim Buddha]

Announcing the formal application for IMF controlled funds in order to give a clear signal to the markets? Only thing that makes sense to me.

[yehbut_nobut]

Seems like its an announcement that they're accepting the Bailout...

[TotalMayhem]

Comical Lenny will propose a formal surrender to the IMF, err, application for aid to his government colleagues.

[C. Flower]

You can listen to it on the last link that i posted.

Lenihan is speaking on the fact that Government proposes to make a formal application for IMF loans (an agreed package, is my understanding) to bail out the banks.


No exact figure on a "contingent sum" of tens of billions for the banks.


"The banks have been operating with supports from the ECB but we must deepen the approach to strengthening the banking system."

[C. Flower]

Q. "Where will the money from the banks come from" ?

"ECB and Irish Central Bank can put money into the bank."

A detailed structural plan for the resolution of the banking system will be put in place"

"There will be detailed stress testing on banks."

Lenihan.

"The banks have to be put in a position to attract deposits"

Q. Where is the 23 billion lost deposits going to be replaced from.

L. "The key issue is not to have a collapse of the banking sector"

L. Cabinet met last night and on L's recommendation decided to make formal application to IMF.

"Last weekend we were involved in detailed official discussions with the IMF which I wasn't at, naturally" Lenihan.


!!!!!

[C. Flower]

Nothing on the IMF website yet about receiving an application.

http://www.imf.org/external/index.htm

[TotalMayhem]

sovereign nation ... protection of the taxpayer, jaysas

[C. Flower]

Lenihan " You can't be bounced into making an application (to the IMF) because one Finance Minister makes a remark"

Q. But we were running out of money.....

[antiestablishmentarian]

Surely they can't survive this one long. Christmas election campaign anyone?

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

What a bizarre thing for a Minister for Finance in any country to say .... "Last weekend we were involved in detailed official discussions with the IMF which I wasn't at, naurally".

Has this guy had some kind of breakdown? He sounds like a child with some kind of pathological problem with telling the truth.

[TotalMayhem]

Banking policy has not failed ... the Irish people should not plunged into a general election (Ermaechtigungsgesetz???)

[Slim Buddha]

Banking policy has not failed ... the Irish people should not plunged into a general election (Ermaechtigungsgesetz???)

Ermächtigungsgesetz ???

I hope not but any party that destroys a countrys economy for the purpose of defending its cronies at all costs is capable of anything.

[antiestablishmentarian]

Lenihan mentioned that the minimum wage 'will have to be looked at': how pray tell will cutting the minimum wage which private sector workers earn solve the problem of state insolvency caused by a failed banking sector, oh mighty minister?

[Munnkeyman]

Did the predator Dominic Strauss-Kahn send the standard text ("I want you").
If so how could Lendahand resist?

[TotalMayhem]

Ermächtigungsgesetz ???

I hope not but any party that destroys a countrys economy for the purpose of defending its cronies at all costs is capable of anything.

My belief is, that there are so many items in this 'agreement' concerning the Irish constitution or requiring a Dáil vote that the IMF cannot have a general election anytime soon.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Well then the IMF should also consider how the will manage to get their money back via a country undergoing civil disobedience and quite possibly a General Strike.

The IMF need a stable regime to be able to extract their pound of flesh. And they will consider the political optics in Dublin.

The IMF audit investigation team could burn Cowen, Lenihan and FF anytime they feel like it as soon as they've finished even a cursory examination of the books and in particular the Anglo mess.

In fact I dare say they will have the information at hand to put senior cabinet ministers in jail if they wanted. So the IMF have a major part to play in the timing of the next General Election to my mind- its no longer an item under FF control.

[People Korps]

What a bizarre thing for a Minister for Finance in any country to say .... "Last weekend we were involved in detailed official discussions with the IMF which I wasn't at, naurally".

Has this guy had some kind of breakdown? He sounds like a child with some kind of pathological problem with telling the truth.

You misinterpret and misquote what he said , it was talks between officials not official talks !!! Let's at least get the quotes right, there is plenty dirt to throw in the context of actual quotes and contexts without inventing them.

[C. Flower]

You misinterpret and misquote what he said , it was talks between officials not official talks !!! Let's at least get the quotes right, there is plenty dirt to throw in the context of actual quotes and contexts without inventing them.

I agree that he was describing talks with D o F officials - the problem is that we were still being told by the Irish Government that nothing was happening while these talks were going on.

[TotalMayhem]

In fact I dare say they will have the information at hand to put senior cabinet ministers in jail if they wanted.

Winston Wolfe, err, Ajai Chopra got Comical Lenny and his mates by the short and curlies, he did sound quite shaky indeed.

[C. Flower]

PK - he did say official talks btw.

[TotalMayhem]

Did he also say something like "The 'markets' were dictating our policy for the last couple of months"?

[C. Flower]

Basically, what I understood was that a loan and a contingency each of tens of billions would be put in place and that the Gov hopes that the IMF will accept the budget and 4 year plan as the Terms and Conditions of the loan package (not likely imo). The Gov. hopes to protect the 12.5% Corporation Tax and they hope to cut the Minimum Wage.

The money will go into the black hole in the banks. Lenihan does not know how big that hole is. There will be another Stress Testing of the banks.

He does not want a General Election, as this would be "irresponsible" - this from the people who gave us the Banks Guarantee.

[TotalMayhem]

There will be another Stress Testing of the banks.

Let's force our own 'stress test' upon them, get yer money out!

The only form of 'civil disobedience' that will register with them.

[TotalMayhem]

I really, really hope Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,730317,00.html) got that wrong!


Die irische Regierung schloss am Sonntag die Ausarbeitung eines Vierjahresplans zur Sanierung des Staatshaushalts ab. Ministerpräsident Brian Cowen berief das Kabinett ein, um den Plan zu verabschieden. Das Papier soll am Dienstag veröffentlicht werden. Das Defizit soll um 15 Milliarden Euro jährlich reduziert werden.

The governemnt worked out a four year plan on Sunday, it will be made public on Tuesday. The budget deficit shall be cut by 15 billion Euro every year.

[Slim Buddha]

I really, really hope Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,730317,00.html) got that wrong!



The governemnt worked out a four year plan on Sunday, it will be made public on Tuesday. The budget deficit shall be cut by 15 billion Euro every year.

Der Spiegel doesn't normally make that sort of a mistake!!

[Design for Life]

Ricahrd Crowley is an alright interviewer. Better than most and miles beyond Mark Little.

[wickedfairy]

"there have been problems in the markets since late August, we knew that", this would have been when they were all still on their hols then? A very scary interview by a very very stressed Finance Minister.

[wickedfairy]

Well then the IMF should also consider how the will manage to get their money back via a country undergoing civil disobedience and quite possibly a General Strike.

The IMF need a stable regime to be able to extract their pound of flesh. And they will consider the political optics in Dublin.

The IMF audit investigation team could burn Cowen, Lenihan and FF anytime they feel like it as soon as they've finished even a cursory examination of the books and in particular the Anglo mess.

In fact I dare say they will have the information at hand to put senior cabinet ministers in jail if they wanted. So the IMF have a major part to play in the timing of the next General Election to my mind- its no longer an item under FF control.

I would say the signatories on the Irish Glass Bottle site cheque will certainly interest them!

[whydontwe]

I really, really hope Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,730317,00.html) got that wrong!



The governemnt worked out a four year plan on Sunday, it will be made public on Tuesday. The budget deficit shall be cut by 15 billion Euro every year.

If they're accurate...then expect violence in the streets...because...many Irish now would 'share' the burden...but if it's €15billion...and the Senate/Presidency/Councils/Quangos etc still existed....and the Dail is not radically shaved...and pensions STOPPED for the corrupt bastards....well then...batten down the hatches!!

[truth.ie]

What a bizarre thing for a Minister for Finance in any country to say .... "Last weekend we were involved in detailed official discussions with the IMF which I wasn't at, naurally".

Has this guy had some kind of breakdown? He sounds like a child with some kind of pathological problem with telling the truth.
Something to do with being a Barrister?

[TotalMayhem]

Der Spiegel doesn't normally make that sort of a mistake!!


Kürzungen unter anderem bei der Kinderunterstützung, den Mindestlöhnen und dem Arbeitslosengeld ansetzen. Bis 2014 sollten 15 Milliarden Euro eingespart werden. Offiziell werden die Details des Programms erst am Dienstag verkündet.

Well, it seems they have got it right (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,730333,00.html) this time, 15 billion Euro over 4 years.

Childrens allowance, job seeker allowance and minimum wages to be cut ... all to protect the most vulnerable.

[Sidewinder]

What a bizarre thing for a Minister for Finance in any country to say .... "Last weekend we were involved in detailed official discussions with the IMF which I wasn't at, naurally".

Has this guy had some kind of breakdown? He sounds like a child with some kind of pathological problem with telling the truth.

I've been trying to warn people for years that to me Lenny showed all the signs of being a completely unhinged loon. And that was back when he was in Justice!

I just cannot comprehend how so many people are so easily conned by these obvious bug-eyed scam merchants, god-botherers and deranged fantasists. I do not get it. I just cannot comprehend how any reasonably rational adult could have looked at and listened to Lenny at any point over the last 2 years and not seen that the man was off his head.

:confused:

[C. Flower]

Announcement at 8.15 p.m.

Can anyone confirm if its radio, tv or both ?

[C. Flower]

This from Reuters: Preparations for EU/IMF programme to be finished by the end of Nov, will be a 3-year plan - Rehn via

[C. Flower]

Streaming here - sign off on detailed application to IMF for funds and approval of 4 year plan

http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer2_av.html?1_real,http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/radio/radio1.smil,real,200


Link to RTE - I can't confirm if its running on radio - it appears not.

[DCon]

Vinnie Browne has a "Bailout Special" tonight.

Same time as The Week in Politics. TWIP is unlikely to have anyone from the Government as they have allegedly been meeting all day

[Dr. FIVE]

Special WIP with Dobbo tonight.

Must be live

[Ah Well]

Vinnie Browne has a "Bailout Special" tonight.

Same time as The Week in Politics. TWIP is unlikely to have anyone from the Government as they have allegedly been meeting all day

TWIP is not been shown on rte.ie as is the norm. Instead they're streaming shyte from RTE2. No matter ... I shall be watching the infinitely better VB ... what time does that kick off btw? TV3.ie doesn't specify.

[DCon]

twip is not been shown on rte.ie as is the norm. Instead they're streaming shyte from rte2. No matter ... I shall be watching the infinitely better vb ... What time does that kick off btw? Tv3.ie doesn't specify.

10:30

[Design for Life]

This is f'n ridiculous! SKy News has a live feed from Dublin and we're finding out this 4yr plan from them while RTE show Fair Shitty and some poxy documentary about a building that fell down.

This is totally unacceptable. You can't keep us in the dark like this.

Sky News are saying that the EU bailout has been agreed upon over conference call - source came from Slovakia.

[Ah Well]

10:30

Tks :)

[C. Flower]

http://www.rte.ie/player/#l=7



Link here

[Munnkeyman]

http://www.rte.ie/player/#l=7



Link here

Just Starting now.
http://www.rte.ie/live/

[Design for Life]

RTE are on delay while Sky News are live... or em more live!

[C. Flower]

'The 4 year plan, and budget, will be put together in the next few weeks"

Did he acknowledge the United States ?

"The efforts of our people" ...let the enslavement commence.

[C. Flower]

"The United Kingdom and Sweden will be ready to provide bilateral loans" - these are more straightfoward in terms of EU law.

The same stuck record we've been listening to for the last two months, apart from that.

[Ah Well]

'The 4 year plan, and budget, will be put together in the next few weeks"

Did he acknowledge the United States ?

"The efforts of our people" ...let the enslavement commence.

I'm sitting here barely able to contain the rage looking and listening at these $£$£% ... to imagine this is actually going on and these cretins are dealing with it

I imagine I am far from alone in having such emotions

:mad::mad::mad:

[C. Flower]

"To ensure that the banking sector is downsized to meet the real needs of the country" Lenihan.

[C. Flower]

Kevin Cardiff of the D o F was allowed to deal with it.

Lenihan and Cowen said they wouldn't be involved.

[Munnkeyman]

"The United Kingdom and Sweden will be ready to provide bilateral loans" - these are more straightfoward in terms of EU law.

The same stuck record we've been listening to for the last two months, apart from that.

Yup the usual blah, blah, blah banking system needs to be stabilised, european partners blah, blah , blah Mr Juncker , David Cameron blah ,blah , blah.

[C. Flower]

Lenihan says "it's not intended to draw down all this money..." For crying out loud, they still have no clear idea of the banks' full liabilities and the assets and deposits are dwindling every day.

The Programme with the IMF will last 3 years - It is the duration of a normal IMF loan.

[Newsy]

I'm sitting here barely able to contain the rage looking and listening at these $£$£% ... to imagine this is actually going on and these cretins are dealing with it

I imagine I am far from alone in having such emotions

:mad::mad::mad:

Damn right......you are not alone, Ah Well.

[antiestablishmentarian]

He mentioned 'improving competitiveness', that means the minimum wage is going down so. And these fools continue to spin, where do they expect growth to come from when they're planning to take €6 billion out of the economy in a fortnight? Anyways welcome to the IMF Republic people, get your marching boots out of the cupboard, Saturday next is the national protest in Dublin so let's all get out for it.

[C. Flower]

How much blame does Cowen feel, asks Bloomberg.

He rabbits on about the costs of borrowing - "at this time the Government is determined"
to fulfill its responsibility.

Your responsibility is to resign!

[C. Flower]

US Treasury TIm Geithner quoted by Lenihan as favourable to his bold steps.

[antiestablishmentarian]

If you want to take responsibilty for this Cowen, resign and call an election :mad:

[Newsy]

How much blame does Cowen feel, asks Bloomberg.

He rabbits on about the costs of borrowing - "at this time the Government is determined"
to fulfill its responsibility.

Your responsibility is to resign!

Jesus......the bull that is coming out of both of them.

It is an absolute disgace..........but, what is new about that.

They have go to go.

[antiestablishmentarian]

Ursula Halligan has riled him!

[Design for Life]

'I don't know what he's talking about'
there's Cowen's entire residency as Taoiseach summed up in a sentence

[Ah Well]

Lenihan said the IMF people are well familiar with the place and have been here many many times before

MANY MANY TIMES BEFORE
:confused:

[C. Flower]

"The bulk of the Irish banking system is now in public ownership"

Lenihan.

There's full confidence because we have taken the right steps"

Same old bull - absolutely shameless.

[Design for Life]

There is no-one in RTE with Ursula Halligan's balls. Not even Vincent Browne's balls.

[Munnkeyman]

Go on Vincent Browne ask him the same question 'til he answers.
No he still hasn't answered the question.

[wickedfairy]

RTE cut off Vincent Brown! Hard questions that the Brians can't/won't answer. Jesus wept!

[Prometheus]

Disgraceful. RTÉ have broken away just as the tough questions started. Vincent Browne has Cowen on the ropes but the Irish people can't hear it unless they tune to SKY, Al Jazeera or some other foreign channel. RTÉ prattling with their stupid panel of hot air experts. Glad I have no TV licence.

[Ah Well]

VB telling the fup as it is. Like a mirror of the day he told Ahern on the podium

RTE are covering it on rte.ie ... listening to it now

[Assam]

Seriously, people in non-Sky tv land can't watch this??
Good man Vincent
is his prog later tonight available on the net?

[Munnkeyman]

VB telling the fup as it is. Like a mirror of the day he told Ahern on the podium

RTE are covering it on rte.ie ... listening to it now

I was thinking exactly the same.:eek:

[Lá an Lúbáin]

I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....I don't accept.....

[C. Flower]

Sky news is continuing the Press Conference. I hear that RTE has

"A better rate of interest than the market - we don't know what it will be"

VIncent Browne - " You are the most culpable person in taking the decisions that have screwed up and devastated this country "

Cowen " I don't except that"
Circumstances have changed.

VB You are a liability because nobody believes you.
Don't you owe it to the Irish people to get out now.

Cowen - I am responsible for all my decisions.
We were hit by a financial and economic crisis in this country.

[Lifeisagame]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Ireland-Bailout-Finance-Minister-Brian-Lenihan-Recommends-International-Rescue-Package/Article/201011315820969?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15820969_Ireland_Bailout%3A_Finance_Mi nister_Brian_Lenihan_Recommends_International_Resc ue_Package

[Nicht Besonders]

Unbelievable that RTE cut out before the PC was finished

[C. Flower]

Will the banks open tomorrow ?

No-one knows.

[C. Flower]

Unbelievable that RTE cut out before the PC was finished


They censored Vincent Browne.

[Ah Well]

And the 2 Spivs shuffle off the Stage

Meanwhile the country groans as it settles down further into the shyte

:mad::mad:

[Newsy]

They censored Vincent Browne.

There's the kind of democracy, we live in.

[Graham]

They censored Vincent Browne.

They did. Not that he got an answer anyway but still.

Luckily I was on Sky, as were all the people I texted to advise that the statement was happening.

No faith in our national broadcaster here, sadly.

[Mothball]

I hate RTE......
.
.
.
.
That is all.

[musashi]

Vincent knows no shame,
Showboating on Global news,
Bloody pinkos.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Yeah them damn commies setting up banks with corrupt boardrooms like that .... sneaking in at night and infiltrating the Irish financial sector and rezoning committees around the country ... decent honest farmers abed at night having their land built on and lo and behold a big residential estate there the next morning where a good honest capitalist cow called Daisy used to graze.

Damn clever commies running Anglo-Irish ... AIB ... INBS.... forging politician's signatures on deals like the DDDA with their little red Mao books in their back pockets ...

Damn those commie infiltrators ... sneaking away before anyone could see what they'd done ... ochone ochone it was Night of the Commie.

***** sake.

[C. Flower]

The Ecofin Statement -

21 November 2010


Statement by the Eurogroup and ECOFIN Ministers


Ministers welcome the request of the Irish Government for financial assistance
from the European Union and euro-area Member States. Ministers concur with
the Commission and the ECB that providing assistance to Ireland is warranted
to safeguard financial stability in the EU and in the euro area.

In the context of a joint programme EU/IMF, the financial assistance package
to the Irish state should be financed from the European financial stabilisation
mechanism (EFSM) and the European financial stability facility (EFSF),
possibly supplemented by bilateral loans to be negotiated by EU Member
States. The United Kingdom and Sweden have already indicated today that
they stand ready to consider a bilateral loan.

EU and euro-area financial support will be provided under a strong policy
programme which will be negotiated with the Irish authorities by the
Commission and the IMF, in liaison with the ECB.

The programme will address the fiscal challenges of the Irish economy in a
decisive manner. It will build on the fiscal adjustment and structural reforms
that will be put forward by the Irish authorities in their Four Year Budgetary
Strategy next week. This strategy will provide the details of the Government's
commitment to achieve fiscal consolidation of EUR 6 bn in 2011 as part of a
strategy leading to a 3% of GDP deficit by 2014, implying an overall
consolidation of 15 bn in the 4 year strategy, which contains an annual review.
Given the strong fundamentals of the Irish economy, decisive implementation
of the programme should allow a return to a robust and sustainable growth,
safeguarding the economic and social cohesion.

The programme will also include a fund for potential future capital needs of the
banking sector. By building on the measures already taken by Ireland to
address stress in its banking sector, a comprehensive range of measures –
including deleveraging and restructuring of the banking sector – will contribute
to ensuring that the banking system performs its role in the functioning of the
economy.

After approval by the Irish Government, the programme will be endorsed by
the ECOFIN Council and the Eurogroup, in line with national procedures, on
the basis of a Commission and ECB assessment.

[Fing Fers]

Well what a load of s***te that was, the IMF take over was totally numbed down by RTE.

[PaddyJoe]

complaints@rte.ie is the address for, well, complaints.

[Dr. FIVE]

Why complain to RTE ?

http://www.bai.ie/broadcasting_complaints.html

Fair play to Lenihan for finding the one person the world that said something good about him in the past 2weeks :rolleyes:

[Graham]

Why complain to RTE ?

http://www.bai.ie/broadcasting_complaints.html

Fair play to Lenihan for finding the one person the world that said something good about him in the past 2weeks :rolleyes:

Yeah, I thought that was a nice touch too. The little smirk on his face after he said it was great as well.

Bankrupting the country: €20,000,000,000 (a year)

Bailing out the banks: €90,000,000,000 ("Nowhere near" €100,000,000,000)

Telling the world that there's at least one person out there stupid enough to still believe your bullshit: Priceless.

[Ah Well]

Telling the world that there's at least one person out there stupid enough to still believe your bullshit: Priceless.

17% of those as per the last Poll seem to ... but then again there's no hope for some people ... or to put it another way there's less hope for us with the likes of them still around

[Fraxinus]

To whom do we owe our allegience today?

They talk about the wasted life during the Troubles for very little progress.

What about the wasted life to gain semi-independence only to throw it away again and not just throw away but enslave the people within the state to foreign banks. I feel physlically sick.

[Graham]

17% of those as per the last Poll seem to ... but then again there's no hope for some people ... or to put it another way there's less hope for us with the likes of them still around

In fairness, a good proportion of those 17% have a personal stake in seeing him survive, being as they are FF teat suckers of one sort or another.

It was one apparently unconnected admirer that got Lenihan smirking like the schoolgirl that got kissed at the cheili.

[DCon]

Interestingly, in May a bailout would have resulted in a loss of economic sovereignty. Not so today


Had the budget proposals of the opposition parties been adopted, "we would be in a very severe crisis relying on supports that would effectively remove our economic sovereignty," according to Mr Cowen.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfkfsnojidkf/rss2/#ixzz15xLPUXLG

[C. Flower]

In fairness, a good proportion of those 17% have a personal stake in seeing him survive, being as they are FF teat suckers of one sort or another.

It was one apparently unconnected admirer that got Lenihan smirking like the schoolgirl that got kissed at the cheili.

That was Tim Geithner - his da was a big CIA man in Manila. He wouldn't be himself of course of no, no...

Did I hear the United States being thanked by Cowen ?

[Dr. FIVE]

I have to say Im abit annoyed Brian O'Domhnaill didn't keep his word.

[matt]

That was Tim Geithner - his da was a big CIA man in Manila. He wouldn't be himself of course of no, no...

Did I hear the United States being thanked by Cowen ?

Yes. And wee Napoleon, too...

[Lá an Lúbáin]

I have to say Im abit annoyed Brian O'Domhnaill didn't keep his word.

:D Can you imagine the neck on any FFers canvasing people tonight?

Yes, yes I can.....sigh

[Graham]

That was Tim Geithner - his da was a big CIA man in Manila. He wouldn't be himself of course of no, no...

Did I hear the United States being thanked by Cowen ?

Yes, you did. It was just part of a display of crawling sycophancy the likes of which I haven't seen since, well, ever.

[DCon]

Interestingly, in May a bailout would have resulted in a loss of economic sovereignty. Not so today



http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfkfsnojidkf/rss2/#ixzz15xLPUXLG

Another stunningly accurate FF prediction


Fianna Fáil TD for Dublin North. Michael Kennedy, has accused Fine Gael’s newest Deputy of being disingenuous in the Dáil when he rubbished claims that if public spending wasn’t curtailed the IMF could come in.

Deputy Kennedy continued : "In the pre budget debate last week George Lee claimed The threat is that, if they do not take those cuts, the IMF will come in and make big decisions for us. This is complete rubbish. The IMF will not come into Ireland because it does not enter regions of economies and Ireland is a region of a single European economy (17 November 2009). The Fine Gael’s man is simply incorrect. We are currently borrowing €420 million a week just to fund day to day spending. If the government does not take action now international markets will stop lending to us at the current rate leaving us with no choice but to turn to the IMF".

http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/george-lee-off-the-mark-about-the-imf-kennedy/

[Newsy]

I have to say Im abit annoyed Brian O'Domhnaill didn't keep his word.

Jesus, you're right......

Posters now could read.......'ff don't keep their word'!!!!

[Bertie Basher]

Complain direct to RTE news department: try 012083225 and 012083226 also 012083200

complaints@rte.ie

[Design for Life]

Complaints to RTE is useless, they won't give a damn.

Complain to the BAI: http://www.bai.ie/broadcasting_complaints.html



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For further information and/or assistance, contact of the Authority's staff by e-mail, complaints@bai.ie, or phone 01 6441280.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Another stunningly accurate FF prediction



http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/george-lee-off-the-mark-about-the-imf-kennedy/

'But Fianna Fail's by-election candidate Senator Brian O'Domhnaill suffered a further blow to his campaign after vowing that he was the man to keep the IMF out.

Mr O'Domhnaill ended up with egg on his face yesterday when the Government finally accepted a bailout was on the cards.

Just days ago, the Fianna Fail senator was stressing that he was strongly opposed to any such bailout.

"We will lose sovereignty. By God I'm not going to allow the IMF to come in and shatter our independence," he told a recent rally.

He also assured a voter on RTE's 'Six One News' that a bailout would not be necessary.

But yesterday, Mr O'Domhnaill attempted to defend his stance, insisting that there was nothing unusual about IMF officials being in the country.

"This is only correct. It is happening all the time. There is nothing new in that. I was aware that all of these discussions were taking place.

"We haven't applied for a bailout," he told a candidate debate on Highland Radio news.'

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-takes-budget-flight-for-canvass-2428506.html

safe home Brian....

[Ah Well]

'But Fianna Fail's by-election candidate Senator Brian O'Domhnaill suffered a further blow to his campaign after vowing that he was the man to keep the IMF out.

Mr O'Domhnaill ended up with egg on his face yesterday when the Government finally accepted a bailout was on the cards.

Just days ago, the Fianna Fail senator was stressing that he was strongly opposed to any such bailout.

"We will lose sovereignty. By God I'm not going to allow the IMF to come in and shatter our independence," he told a recent rally.

He also assured a voter on RTE's 'Six One News' that a bailout would not be necessary.

But yesterday, Mr O'Domhnaill attempted to defend his stance, insisting that there was nothing unusual about IMF officials being in the country.

"This is only correct. It is happening all the time. There is nothing new in that. I was aware that all of these discussions were taking place.

"We haven't applied for a bailout," he told a candidate debate on Highland Radio news.'

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-takes-budget-flight-for-canvass-2428506.html

safe home Brian....

Classic FF Gombeenism - couldn't define it better than that

And the sad thing is the likes of this have been elected for so long now and are in power in our darkest days

[Dr. FIVE]

Jesus, you're right......

Posters now could read.......


'ff don't keep their word'!!!!

Like this too no doubt :)

[Design for Life]

http://gavreilly.com/2010/11/21/if-youre-annoyed-at-how-rte-cut-off-vincent-brownes-questions/

[wickedfairy]

Mary Hanifan making a right fool of herself on RTE now. "I knew nothing, I was away" None of them knew anything, not the Chuckle Bros, nobody knew nufing! LOL muppets

[Dr. FIVE]

http://www.wheelspinninghamsterdead.com/comics/0029-pravda.html

[wickedfairy]

He mentioned 'improving competitiveness', that means the minimum wage is going down so. And these fools continue to spin, where do they expect growth to come from when they're planning to take €6 billion out of the economy in a fortnight? Anyways welcome to the IMF Republic people, get your marching boots out of the cupboard, Saturday next is the national protest in Dublin so let's all get out for it.

hopefully thousands of people walking in an orderly fashion making the same noise as the international bondholders made on that infamous fone call that never hapened

[Ah Well]

It's well known at this stage that RTE cut VB's onslaught on Cowen on TV ... but continued to let it proceed on their stream on rte.ie, which I watched to the end ...

Why didn't they cut it on the stream as well ...

Or did they just fup up (which is not alien to their manner of operating)

[Mothball]

They fupped up, obviously. These are the same untalented nobodies who don't understand simple map reading. I wouldn't have known they had cut off Vincent if I hadn't been watching the live stream from their website while having the TV on in the background.
Another way to look at it is that they don't care. They stopped the majority of the population from hearing vincent and that's good enough for them.

http://www.failmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/rtegeorgia.jpg

[ang]

Link to videos including Vincent questioning.

http://www.teaandtoast.ie/?p=328

Press release from IMF:-


Mr. Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), issued the following statement today on Ireland:

“I welcome the response from the European Union and euro-area Member States to the Irish Government's request for financial assistance to safeguard financial stability.

“At the request of the Irish authorities, the IMF stands ready to join this effort, including through a multi-year loan. An IMF team, currently in Ireland for technical talks, will now begin to hold swift discussions on an economic program with the Irish authorities, the European Commission, and the European Central Bank.”

It would seem hurried discussion is about to begin and hopefully nobody believed that the Government had finalised the four year plan.

Everything is now back on the table, they may well get away with the Corpo Tax but with CCTB coming anyway the corpo tax will be addressed further down the line.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2010/pr10452.htm

[People Korps]

France says they will give 20% of the cash but hope corporation tax will be raised

[ang]

I believe Chritine has been raising the corp. tax issue but I believe the initial decisions will be formulated around bank restructuring and deep cuts, the poss. move on corporation tax next year maybe in line with the CCTB initiative.

Corporation tax being such a big issue here may get left on the backburner (6 - 12 mths.) in the hope it will keep the "little people" quiet.

I think the EU/ECB went along with all the bank recaps knowing if they gave them (Irish Govt) enough rope........

[People Korps]

Link to videos including Vincent questioning.

http://www.teaandtoast.ie/?p=328

Press release from IMF:-



It would seem hurried discussion is about to begin and hopefully nobody believed that the Government had finalised the four year plan.

Everything is now back on the table, they may well get away with the Corpo Tax but with CCTB coming anyway the corpo tax will be addressed further down the line.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2010/pr10452.htm

also on RTE http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1122/economy.html#video

[Andrew49]

Yeah, I thought that was a nice touch too. The little smirk on his face after he said it was great as well.

Bankrupting the country: €20,000,000,000 (a year)

Bailing out the banks: €90,000,000,000 ("Nowhere near" €100,000,000,000)

Telling the world that there's at least one person out there stupid enough to still believe your bullshit: Priceless.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/graham.jpg

[Design for Life]

Matt Cooper discussing this now: http://media.todayfm.com/live_stream/popup

[mutley]

anecdotal comments from a UK forum about RTE Cutting of Vincent


http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=154994&st=15


RTE cut off Cowen news conference last night after Vincent Browne asked some very awkward question - guy at hotel bar threw a glass at the TV and the barman started screaming expletives - not at the guy who'd nearly smashed the TV but AT the TV. It was incredible and shocking at the same time.


People singin praises of the Beeb cos they covered the awkward questions free of censorship.

[TotalMayhem]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2236/20101123194802clipboard.png

[C. Flower]

Hmm. Par for the course with RTE. They cut the end off Sonia's best races, just the same way.

[TotalMayhem]

Meanwhile, back in the cutting room:

ANOTHER Strange Edit From RTE NEWS (http://www.broadsheet.ie/2010/11/22/another-strange-edit-from-rte-news/)

[C. Flower]

The IMF EFSF loan is reported to be 85 billion at 6.7 %

A default arrangement. Better to default and not take the arrangement.

[PaddyJoe]

The IMF EFSF loan is reported to be 85 billion at 6.7 %

A default arrangement. Better to default and not take the arrangement.

That figure has been floating around for a couple of days now. I wonder who has 'officially' leaked it to RTE? Could it be that our lot have learned something from the briefing wars two weeks ago? Leak the figure to provoke a storm of outrage; go back in and say the people won't accept it....?