Primetime Heckle

[C. Flower]

I'm looking forward to this.

[Lifeisagame]

Can we put a smilie on her face?:D
Or the Phantom of the Opera is not on at the moment, eeehhhh spare masks

[Baron von Biffo]

Two tough operators all right.

[Béal na Bláth]

Joan has played a blinder this last year. She nitpicked the NAMA legislation like a woman posessed. Would love to see her in Cabinet in the next Government.

[Baron von Biffo]

Joan has played a blinder this last year. She nitpicked the NAMA legislation like a woman posessed. Would love to see her in Cabinet in the next Government.

Kenny has said that Finance wont be a deal breaker in talks with Lab which is effectively saying the job's hers.

[Béal na Bláth]

What about Bruton so? Would he not expect that gig?

[Baron von Biffo]

What about Bruton so? Would he not expect that gig?

Blessed is he who expects little. The Brute will have to take one for the team and settle for something like Enterprise.

[Béal na Bláth]

She's bang on the money about the Anglo brand being irreversibly tainted.

[Baron von Biffo]

You have lots of new, bigger salaries too Alan.

[Arnold Layne]

They could split Finance like they have done with FAS & Employment. Maybe a Minister For Corporate Finance & a Minister for Economy?

[ZANU-FF]

Joan Burton is the most clued in commentator sitting in the Dail with respect to the Anglo shambles

[Digout]

Dukes landed himself a right handy number there. I have news for him, thousands of businesses go bust every year, Anglo is just another. Anybody foolish enough to have money deposited there deserves to loose it.

[ZANU-FF]

Dukes landed himself a right handy number there. I have news for him, thousands of businesses go bust every year, Anglo is just another. Anybody foolish enough to have money deposited there deserves to loose it.

I see Dukes on some TV programme, Feirm Factor

how ******* dedicated can he be?

Farm Factor and Miracle Banker - sweet baby jeebus

[Baron von Biffo]

Dukes landed himself a right handy number there. I have news for him, thousands of businesses go bust every year, Anglo is just another. Anybody foolish enough to have money deposited there deserves to loose it.

Anglo isn't like any other business. Anglo almost certainly has bits of paper with politicians signatures on them. Bits of paper that said politicians wouldn't be happy to have read out on the news.

[Digout]

I see Dukes on some TV programme, Feirm Factor

how ******* dedicated can he be?

Farm Factor and Miracle Banker - sweet baby jeebus

Nice fat salary and expense account for him now.

[Digout]

Anglo isn't like any other business. Anglo almost certainly has bits of paper with politicians signatures on them. Bits of paper that said politicians wouldn't be happy to have read out on the news.

All those bit of paper are now shredded. A former employee was on the radio the other day and she said there is a goldmine of stories in that bank, if anybody bothers to investigate.

[PaddyJoe]

Disappointed with Joan there. She got bogged down in the techie stuff about senior and junior bondholder. There were a couple of very simple and effective points she could have raised:
1. Who are the people who have loans from Anglo? Why did six cabinet ministers refuse to answer a question about whether or not they had loans from Anglo?
2. This bank is now owned by the state and by extension its citizens and taxpayers. We need to know who the bondholders are and which Irish businesses owe money to Anglo.
Full disclosure of all asset and liabilities is the least we are entitled to for a bank we own.

[C. Flower]

Disappointed with Joan there. She got bogged down in the techie stuff about senior and junior bondholder. There were a couple of very simple and effective points she could have raised:
1. Who are the people who have loans from Anglo? Why did six cabinet ministers refuse to answer a question about whether or not they had loans from Anglo?
2. This bank is now owned by the state and by extension its citizens and taxpayers. We need to know who the bondholders are and which Irish businesses owe money to Anglo.
Full disclosure of all asset and liabilities is the least we are entitled to for a bank we own.

Agreed - and those were all points she has made in the past.

She also should have known that there has been debt renegotiation. Here eye must have been right off the ball since Christmas.

[Digout]

She also should have known that there has been debt renegotiation. Here eye must have been right off the ball since Christmas.

Yup, that was well known about. Was shocked when she went down that route.

[Baron von Biffo]

All those bit of paper are now shredded.

Not a hope. No one shreds their get out of jail free card.

[Digout]

Not a hope. No one shreds their get out of jail free card.

Very true, I'd say Seanie has a few of them.

[PaddyJoe]

Agreed - and those were all points she has made in the past.

She also should have known that there has been debt renegotiation. Here eye must have been right off the ball since Christmas.

She looked a bit taken aback and nervous which is unlike her. Maybe it was the dark shaded Mafia bondholder types in the introductory piece.
Anyway it gave Dukes a handy enough run. Sick making over the top stuff at the end when he gave the corporate puff piece about banks going through tough times and going on to do well.
You just know that all the FG old time business supporters are into this bank up to their oxters as well as FF.
You know at this stage its not party political. Its the insiders protecting the insiders against the rest of the country.
Whatever you say about Leo Varadkers outburst during the week its a symptom of the young lads coming up against a protective insider culture thats been around for a long time. Garrett got his AIB loans written off. Dukes has done very well in the private sector. There are two centre right parties there and their economic interests coincide very well. They will do their damnest to protect their status quo.

[C. Flower]

She looked a bit taken aback and nervous which is unlike her. Maybe it was the dark shaded Mafia bondholder types in the introductory piece.
Anyway it gave Dukes a handy enough run. Sick making over the top stuff at the end when he gave the corporate puff piece about banks going through tough times and going on to do well.
You just know that all the FG old time business supporters are into this bank up to their oxters as well as FF.
You know at this stage its not party political. Its the insiders protecting the insiders against the rest of the country.
Whatever you say about Leo Varadkers outburst during the week its a symptom of the young lads coming up against a protective insider culture thats been around for a long time. Garrett got his AIB loans written off. Dukes has done very well in the private sector. There are two centre right parties there and their economic interests coincide very well. They will do their damnest to protect their status quo.

On the nail, Mr. McGillycuddy.

[ZANU-FF]

Disappointed with Joan there. She got bogged down in the techie stuff about senior and junior bondholder. There were a couple of very simple and effective points she could have raised:
1. Who are the people who have loans from Anglo? Why did six cabinet ministers refuse to answer a question about whether or not they had loans from Anglo?
2. This bank is now owned by the state and by extension its citizens and taxpayers. We need to know who the bondholders are and which Irish businesses owe money to Anglo.
Full disclosure of all asset and liabilities is the least we are entitled to for a bank we own.

pity I didn't watch it. What's happened Joan?

[C. Flower]

pity I didn't watch it. What's happened Joan?

She claimed that there had been no attempt to negotiate down Anglo Irish's debt, and Dukes said it had been done. She hadn't briefed herself properly and didn't have any reply to that. That gave Dukes the field to waffle on.

Dukes is a real operator and should never be underestimated.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

All those bit of paper are now shredded. A former employee was on the radio the other day and she said there is a goldmine of stories in that bank, if anybody bothers to investigate.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if all the Anglo documentation was to be gone over by legal specialists we would find a litany of unsecured loans arranged for well-known and connected Fianna Fail names where the paperwork is 'incomplete' and loans were forgetfully marked 'non-recourse' instead of 'recourse'.

The questions I would ask myself if I got my hands on that paperwork would run as follows;

(1) Was there a hurried raft of loans arranged for party hacks just ahead of the Govt guarantee and propping up of this Jesse James bank? If I know FF like everybody else knows FF there will have been a 'fill yer boots before it goes over' call out to the usual suspects.

(2) Is the paperwork complete on those loans and can they now be called in as is usual with bank loans? (Not many people are aware that a bank can call in a full and final repayment at any time).

(3) Have there been systematic attempts to process large loans without collateral or valuations of underlying collateral?

(4) Who arranged the paperwork and signed off on those loans? Have them in for questioning under caution.

(5) What options do Irish people have for making a complaint and demanding an investigation by international agencies? Is this possible? Can citizens contact Interpol direct for example if the government continue its attempt to cover up one of the messiest bank frauds in European history in order to keep its mates off the hook?

The senior directors of that bank would be arrested for declaring false accounts to the Irish Stock Exchange. Bearing in mind that NONE of the massive loans certain directors loaned to themselves were ever declared in the Annual Report and Accounts released to the Stock Exchange. This means that a false set of accounts were presented.

I think thats fraudulent enough to see certain directors go to jail even before you get to the normal corporate governance issues within a plc.

[ZANU-FF]

She claimed that there had been no attempt to negotiate down Anglo Irish's debt, and Dukes said it had been done. She hadn't briefed herself properly and didn't have any reply to that. That gave Dukes the field to waffle on.

Dukes is a real operator and should never be underestimated.

****, ****, ****, ****, ****, ****

jeebus Joan !

this renegotiating of the debt is the crime that has been committed under our noses as we watched

In exchange for 'guaranteed debt' the bonds have been swapped out at discount

how could Joan not have pulled him on that?

In effect, BOI and AIB have been doing it aswell.

The discounts are irrelevant as the original bond holders could have been told to whistle dixie.

When are people going to get up to speed with the theft that is going on???

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Thats the problem. The average punter does not follow what kind of lasting fraud is being carried out here.

If a foreign bank with an operation in Ireland got into such a mess with no FF hacks involved the fraud squad would have been in and the books opened to forensic investigations and subsequent arrests.

The only reason that this isn't happening is because the bondholders and FF are personally involved and trying frantically to bury all sorts of corruption in the way that bank was run by effectively 'nationalising' and burying the records in a rescue vehicle.

I simply wouldn't pay a penny in support of this zombie bank until such time as all the fraudulent transactions were uncovered and appropriate charges brought against individuals, until all loans marked 'recourse' were actually called in.

It was up to the bondholders and shareholders to make sure the bank was being properly governed. They didn't do that therefore they should be told they have lost their investment.

Strange to think that a mere three years ago all the FF 'Only game in town' freaks would have been screaming free market principles if anyone suggested using public money to prop up an ailing business.

Funny how free marketeers turn into socialists whenever a large debt hoves into view.

[ZANU-FF]

Next week FF will gift Anglo Irish Bank €9 Billion euro's

to put this into perspective

€9 Billion Euro breaks down as follows:

€346 Million for each of the 26 Counties

or

€2000 for every man woman & child

So, next week as you pass a group of primary school children or toddlers on the street, be aware that they are each and everyone of them paying €2000 per head to enable the corrupt FF cabal

and also be aware, that's just to cover Anglo Irish Bank next week.

[FrankAmbrose]

Hi,

Have you noticed that Alan Dukes actually said that Anglo should be wind down?

He said that it costs 20 billion to wind down Anglo over 10 years.

In the immediate future, however they only need 8-9 billion as if there was no difference between the figures.

Now for the interesting bit, when he explains his business plan for Anglo:

NAMA will take 36 billion. Then the bank will be split into two. A good and a bad bank. Lets assume the bad bit will go to the taxpaper. The good bit pays for Alan Dukes millions as the chairman.

It all hinges what NAM can do with the 36 billion. Should NAMA write off 30%, Anglo gets 25.2 billion for the 36 billion Anglo gave to NAMA. Put it in other words: The taxpaper will pay Anglo 8 + 25.5 billion. And all of this although winding Anglo down over 10 years, according to Alan Dukes !!!, costs only (?!) 10 billion. We are being asked to pay at least 12.5 billion more than we would need to. The government will need to get this 12.5 billion from somewhere.

Alan is a banker. He will get millions for keeping Anglo alive. He gets very littel for shutting it down.

[C. Flower]

Hi,

Have you noticed that Alan Dukes actually said that Anglo should be wind down?

He said that it costs 20 billion to wind down Anglo over 10 years.

In the immediate future, however they only need 8-9 billion as if there was no difference between the figures.

Now for the interesting bit, when he explains his business plan for Anglo:

NAMA will take 36 billion. Then the bank will be split into two. A good and a bad bank. Lets assume the bad bit will go to the taxpaper. The good bit pays for Alan Dukes millions as the chairman.

It all hinges what NAMA can do with the 36 billion. Should NAMA write off 30%, Anglo gets 25.2 billion for the 36 billion Anglo gave to NAMA. Put it in other words: The taxpaper will pay Anglo 8 + 25.5 billion. And all of this although winding Anglo down over 10 years, according to Alan Dukes !!!, costs only (?!) 10 billion. We are being asked to pay at least 12.5 billion more than we would need to. The government will need to get this 12.5 billion from somewhere.

Alan is a banker. He will get millions for keeping Anglo alive. He gets very littel for shutting it down.

Welcome, FrankAmbrose. I am trying to get my head around that and at the same time Gurdiev's view that in the nationalisation of Aliied Irish - tomorrow - a process will be set in train that will mean paying out 20 billion for a bank worth 1.5 billion.

http://www.politicalworld.org/showpost.php?p=8670&postcount=3

[FrankAmbrose]

We are going to pay 36 + 8 = 44 billion, minus soem money that NAMA may recover from the 36 billion. Refloating Anglo will not recover even 8 billion. Now Alan also wants to split Anglo into a good and bad bank... Listen to his business plan. He says all of this to Joan Bruton. It is amasing. He also suggests that 1 billion is not a lot of money considering the problem Anglo faces. This os good considering that the government cutbaks this yera were only 4 billion. Very soon have to pay for Anglo alone 8 billion + more for NAMA. Never mind AIB, Bank of Ireland & the others. You have not seen any cutbacks yet.

[Buddha]

God sake Joan, you've been blind-sided by one of the backroom over-paid asses. Do what you do best. Examine everything yourself. This has happened countless times in the past. Its the one thing that pisses me off about Labour. Their reliance on so-called "experts" who push their way to the front anytime a T.D. gets television time and they always make a balls of things. Tony Heffernan, Labour Press Officer should chew them out. Lazy. Stupid. Fools.

[C. Flower]

We are going to pay 36 + 8 = 44 billion, minus soem money that NAMA may recover from the 36 billion. Refloating Anglo will not recover even 8 billion. Now Alan also wants to split Anglo into a good and bad bank... Listen to his business plan. He says all of this to Joan Bruton. It is amasing. He also suggests that 1 billion is not a lot of money considering the problem Anglo faces. This os good considering that the government cutbaks this yera were only 4 billion. Very soon have to pay for Anglo alone 8 billion + more for NAMA. Never mind AIB, Bank of Ireland & the others. You have not seen any cutbacks yet.

Is the Anglo business plan avaialble ? I heard him mention the good and bad bank and thought my brain was just refusing to do overtime, as that is something I don't remember looking at.

A billion is a vast amount of money and these guys were and are treating it like confetti.

As well as being corrupt (over and under the counter0 and self-serving,
they are also operating in a reality free zone.

The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum.

[FrankAmbrose]

You can still look at the primetime clip on the RTE webpage. Of course the Anglo business plan is not available. But it does not need to Alan accounced it on national television. This is his getting out of jail card. Well done Alan.

[C. Flower]

You can still look at the primetime clip on the RTE webpage. Of course the Anglo business plan is not available. But it does not need to Alan accounced it on national television. This is his getting out of jail card. Well done Alan.

Pay-off for Tallaght and backing NAMA ?

[Digout]

Pay-off for Tallaght and backing NAMA ?

Spot on.

[FrankAmbrose]

I just listened to what Alan said again. It is staggering. He is saying that his proprosal will be more costly to the taxpayer than winding Anglo down. And no-one has picked up on it. It is a brilliant piece. Anglo transferred 36 billion to Nama i.e. the taxpayer. And then he still want to split Anglo into a good and bad bank. Now that bank will be tiny. We would be better off to open a new bank than given all this money to keep the name Anglo

[C. Flower]

I just listened to what Alan said again. It is staggering. He is saying that his proprosal will be more costly to the taxpayer than winding Anglo down. And no-one has picked up on it. It is a brilliant piece. Anglo transferred 36 billion to Nama i.e. the taxpayer. And then he still want to split Anglo into a good and bad bank. Now that bank will be tiny. We would be better off to open a new bank than given all this money to keep the name Anglo

That much I heard as well but at this stage am punch drunk. Never for one moment did I consider that a wind down would not have been cheaper. It would have been cheaper not to have bought the blasted thing in the first place, and just to have honoured the types of guarantee being put in place across Europe.

There is something obscene going on here.

[C. Flower]

May as well keep the one thread going for Primetime.

Fintan O'Toole is on tonight - not sure what the topic is.

Streaming link here - http://t.co/qUP23X0

[C. Flower]

Charlie Flanagan FG - supports doing away with the Senate.

[PaddyJoe]

Part one was a look at the Quinn saga and the decision to send in the shares receiver. Fintan O'Toole had a few minutes on tape describing Quinn as the epitome of the 19th century self made capitalist who finally succumbed to the lure of easy money and destroyed himself as well as Anglo and helped to bring down the banking system.
Richard Curran of the SPB in the studio made a valid point when contrasting Quinn and Derek Quinlan whose assets are now being seized by NAMA. Quinn at least built up a business that employed thousands over three decades and improved the standard of living in the Cavan/Fermanagh border region. The only legacy left behind by developers like Quinlan is a trail of ghost estates and shoddy apartments.

[PaddyJoe]

Greece. It is possible to form a new government? Elena Pararitis, Pasok MP and economist.

[PaddyJoe]

Greece. It is possible to form a new government? Elena Panaritis, Pasok MP and economist.
Former World Bank and adviser to Alberto Fujimori in Peru

She has served as an MP and a special advisor to the Papandreou government in Greece on efforts for public sector reform and reduction in informality.[1] She was elected President of COMSUD (the Commission of Parliamentarians of the Mediterranean countries) in late 2009. Panaritis has taught economic development, housing finance and property markets reform courses at the Wharton Business School, University of Pennsylvania, INSEAD, and the Johns Hopkins University - School of Advanced International Studie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Panaritis

[People Korps]

can't access what is the other site that streams it

[PaddyJoe]

Gerry Adams and Micheal Martin in the studio for a "two bald men fighting over a comb' double act;)

[PaddyJoe]

The Malcolm McArthur case. A reminder of where the GUBU expression came from.

[Baron von Biffo]

The Malcolm McArthur case. A reminder of where the GUBU expression came from.

Cruiser's ghost sighs.

[Saoirse go Deo]

Wouldn't do that long for such a crime now.

[Baron von Biffo]

Wouldn't do that long for such a crime now.

It's difficult to escape the conclusion that the length of MacArthur's imprisonment was more to do with the political baggage that accompanied his case than for the crime he was convicted of.

[PaddyJoe]

Loopy stuff looking back at it now. He never even stood trial for the murder of Donal Dunne.

[Saoirse go Deo]

"Seems like a visitor"

Partitionist nonsense.

[Baron von Biffo]

What's the lapel pin Martin is wearing? Leo the Loon had one earlier too.

[DCon]

Why does M Martin look 20 years older than he did 3 years ago?

[Baron von Biffo]

Is SF all populism? asks Miriam. 'The Taoiseach earns more than Obama' replies Adams. That's a yes then.

[DCon]

Adams: There are people in big properties who do not have any money

Nice jab at Dr Reilly

[Saoirse go Deo]

Why doesn't Gerry just say that there will be a costed budget proposal released in the next few weeks/months?

Being put together as we speak.

[Saoirse go Deo]

How long until the IRA is mentioned?

[Baron von Biffo]

Why doesn't Gerry just say that there will be a costed budget proposal released in the next few weeks/months?

Being put together as we speak.

Because he's been rehearsed to within an inch of his life to avoid a repeat of his 2007 debacle?

[C. Flower]

It's difficult to escape the conclusion that the length of MacArthur's imprisonment was more to do with the political baggage that accompanied his case than for the crime he was convicted of.

Catherine Nevin has served 12 years with no evidence to connect her to a murderer or a murder weapon.

[DCon]

Why does M Martin look 20 years older than he did 3 years ago?

it's the hair


http://en.trend.az/article_photo/Micheal_Martin_210910.jpg


http://www.businessandfinance.ie/files/2010/images/20100304030649_MichealMartin.jpg

[Baron von Biffo]

Both completely ignoring O'Callaghan.

[Mick Tully]

All joking aside could no one tell Mirriam to pull up her knickers.

[Baron von Biffo]

Catherine Nevin has served 12 years with no evidence to connect her to a murderer or a murder weapon.

Did I hear the academic on the programme suggest that 14 years is the average time served for murder?

[Saoirse go Deo]

Gerry took a leaf out of Vincent Brownes book by bringing along some reading material.

[Baron von Biffo]

Did Rabbitte force RTE to stage this to make the government seem good by contrast?

[Dr. FIVE]

compared to Gilmore, low blow

[Saoirse go Deo]

How long until the IRA is mentioned?
ding ding ding

lol desperate stuff from MM there.

[Baron von Biffo]

That was poor stuff.

A pair of mediocrities and an ineffective chair doesn't lead to great political debate.

[MPB]

One thing is certain after that.

We are all shagged until the revolution.

[Mick Tully]

I didn't get any comment on my post, it was not a sexist comment, but if you look at the show again you will see what I mean.

[DCon]

Anyone spot Richard calling Harney a FF Minister and Billy Kelliher not bothering to rebuff it?

[Dr. FIVE]

Disgusting how Harney has almost be painted out of the collapse narrative altogether tbh.
Much deserved ***** thrown at FF but she was central, one of the architects

[PaddyJoe]

Gilmore coming up live from NY.

[PaddyJoe]

Prime Time accedes to Gilmore's request to discuss Syria first.
No surprise interview tactics allowed here.

[DCon]

Gilmore coming up live from NY.

he cannot answer the most simple question he is being asked

Why?

[Dr. FIVE]

dear oh dear

[PaddyJoe]

he cannot answer the most simple question he is being asked

Why?

Very nervous. Different time zone and doesn't know what's happening on the ground.

[PaddyJoe]

Stephen Donnelly on now.

[Baron von Biffo]

Very nervous. Different time zone and doesn't know what's happening on the ground.

He should keep in mind the old dictum that politicians shouldn't comment while abroad on matters happening at home.

[Dr. FIVE]

"It's fine to talk up the economy but it must be based in reality" - McGrath

[PaddyJoe]

McGrath so often sounds indistinguishable from the government on the big debt/Troika issues.
Wonder does he wake up in the middle of the night sometimes thinking that its 2016 and he's Finance Minister in the FG/FF coalition?
:eek:

[DCon]

Government tackling alcohol abuse.

Minimum pricing one of the cures they say. Will this apply in the Dail bar I wonder?

If they are serious about setting an example, the Dail bar should move to be alcohol free

[Baron von Biffo]

If they are serious about setting an example, the Dail bar should move to be alcohol free

The Dail chamber will be bullshit free before that happens. :)

[Saoirse go Deo]

Government tackling alcohol abuse.

Minimum pricing one of the cures they say. Will this apply in the Dail bar I wonder?

If they are serious about setting an example, the Dail bar should move to be alcohol free
Nicest pint of Guinness I've ever had was from there.

There should be no minimum pricing on beer... students like myself have been hit in the pocket hard enough.

Ugh abortion... time to change the channel.

[PaddyJoe]

Robert Shortt on the Quinn saga tonight. Studio interview with members of the Quinn family.

[PaddyJoe]

There's Miriam strolling along Main St in Ballyconnell past the tractors and cement trucks in a bright red jacket and black boots. Not dressed to blend in:D

[DCon]

this is tabloid tv

[PaddyJoe]

Patricia Gilheaney and Maureen Martin. They were on #vinb a couple of months back.

[Dr. FIVE]

http://www.mersenneforum.org/images/smilies/extra/bangheadonwall.gif

[DCon]

the daughter playing a blinder

"Daddy invested in Anglo".

Not using CFD's he didn't sweetheart. That is a bet on the share price, not an investment

[PaddyJoe]

http://www.mersenneforum.org/images/smilies/extra/bangheadonwall.gif

That sums it up nicely..
:D

[PaddyJoe]

Smart move again from the Quinn family to dress down for tv. Collette Quin wore a stripey cardigan on #vinb. Salt of the earth, doncha know?

[DCon]

"We all partied" in 2007

[PaddyJoe]

At they say in Cavan, 'that one is as cute as a hawk' :)

[PaddyJoe]

In case anyone is wondering that wedding cake was from http://blog.sylviaweinstock.com and was flown in from New York.

[Spectabilis]

Smart move again from the Quinn family to dress down for tv. Collette Quin wore a stripey cardigan on #vinb. Salt of the earth, doncha know?

The black suit was pure Dunnes Stores trainee manager.

The cake most .definitely did not cost 100k, but I don't know what it cost so I guess that means €99,999

[DCon]

The black suit was pure Dunnes Stores trainee manager.

The cake most .definitely did not cost 100k, but I don't know what it cost so I guess that means €99,999

she kept talking in pounds so maybe she was claiming it did not cost 100,000 pounds

[PaddyJoe]

The black suit was pure Dunnes Stores trainee manager.

The cake most .definitely did not cost 100k, but I don't know what it cost so I guess that means €99,999

It came from http://blog.sylviaweinstock.com and was flown in from New York so it may have cost a bit more than the standard one size fits all:)

[Spectabilis]

It came from http://blog.sylviaweinstock.com and was flown in from New York so it may have cost a bit more than the standard one size fits all:)



"Daddy invested in Anglo".
Not using CFD's he didn't sweetheart. That is a bet on the share price, not an investment


she kept talking in pounds so maybe she was claiming it did not cost 100,000 pounds

Aren't you the cute ones. ;)Muchas:)

[MPB]

she kept talking in pounds so maybe she was claiming it did not cost 100,000 pounds

One just hate,s one, that hide,s their republicanism behind ones, loyalty to the crown and it,s currency, in order to cover up their theft from ones republic.

[DCon]

One just hate,s one, that hide,s their republicanism behind ones, loyalty to the crown and it,s currency, in order to cover up their theft from ones republic.

she was quite clear that "this part of Ireland" is different

[Baron von Biffo]

she was quite clear that "this part of Ireland" is different

Like McFeely demanding his rights as a British subject?

[Spectabilis]

Wasn't partition a grand thing entoirely, that one could be on the run here and not in Fermanagh. A great invention altogether.:cool:

[PaddyJoe]

I don't think the in-laws have quite copped on to the Quinn dress code yet:D
Karen Woods, wife of Sean Quinn junior.

http://i48.tinypic.com/r0tdh4.jpg

[MPB]

she was quite clear that "this part of Ireland" is different

The GAA must be so proud.

Their nationalism must be so glad to hide in the different part of Ireland, governed under a state they have previously disowned.

Obviously, nationalism is something that had a price for the British Quinns.

They are not the first Irish to sell their souls for money.

They have more in common with the Vichy French, than they do with the GAA.

[Baron von Biffo]

I don't think the in-laws have quite copped on to the Quinn dress code yet:D
Karen Woods, wife of Sean Quinn junior.

Is it just me or does she look a few years older than Junior?

[PaddyJoe]

Is it just me or does she look a few years older than Junior?

Don't think so. The fake tan isn't being kind in that photo. There were a lot more natural looking photos a couple of months ago during the prison visit.
Jeeze, stop me now. I'm going all tabloid:eek:

[DCon]

Wasn't partition a grand thing entoirely, that one could be on the run here and not in Fermanagh. A great invention altogether.:cool:

Would make you wonder why Ivan Yates moved all the way to Wales..

[Baron von Biffo]

Don't think so. The fake tan isn't being kind in that photo. There were a lot more natural looking photos a couple of months ago during the prison visit.
Jeeze, stop me now. I'm going all tabloid:eek:

:D

[MPB]

Is it just me or does she look a few years older than Junior?

Sunbeds can do that to one.

I don,t know if anybody has been up at the Quinn Quarries up around Ballyconnel, but the whole place is covered in white dust. It could do with being tangoed.

It looks like something out of Chernobyl.

[Baron von Biffo]

Would make you wonder why Ivan Yates moved all the way to Wales..

Wexford to Fishguard - 75 miles.

Wexford to Belfast - 190 miles.

[PaddyJoe]

Wexford to Fishguard - 75 miles.

Wexford to Belfast - 190 miles.

Celtic Bookmakers had a couple of shops in Wales as well.

[DCon]

Celtic Bookmakers had a couple of shops in Wales as well.

"the wife" may have even had a large bank account over there

[Baron von Biffo]

"the wife" may have even had a large bank account over there

Sensible woman to have a few pound of her own.

[PaddyJoe]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Sean Quinn junior appeal though. Judgement is reserved for a few days so either he's going to be sent back to Mountjoy indefinitely or he heads home to fight the next one.
Either way it makes for decent soap opera and helps to distract from everything else that's going on.

[DCon]

Let the Doctor talk, you silly interviewer

[Spectabilis]

I am liking this Dr Peter Boylan, President of the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologist.

[DCon]

Fine Gael send a Labour person on to defend Joan's cuts

Played that well, Fine Gael

[DCon]

back tonight


Achill-henge, delays to third-level grants and the ongoing Union flag controversy in Belfast. Live 9.35pm

[Dr. FIVE]

It's not clear who's behind the riots ???

[Holly]

It's not clear who's behind the riots ???

There seems to be two factions of Protestants now:
1) the "unionists" (representing middle class Protestants)
2) the "loyalists" (representing working class Protestants)

The current riots are caused by disaffected loyalists (many very young) as far as we can see.

[DCon]

tonight


Ombudsman, Emily O'Reilly will be appearing on new format Prime Time RTE 1 10.35 tonight

[C. Flower]

Unbelievable - a team sent to Japan to report on the sad violent death of a girl.

How many deaths not covered?

The obsessive grubbing over the details of murders of pretty young women is a form pornography.

[Dr. FIVE]

bluffer

[C. Flower]

Noonan has created jabs.

[Dr. FIVE]

Choice is between those who support austerity and those who don't. Rather then eh, is most of the eurozone sinking into the mire or is it not.
Finishes by claiming he meets people who tell him they know there is no alternative.

Desperate stuff

[Baron von Biffo]

David Quinn of the Iona Institute on PrimeTime fighting the case for private schools.

[PaddyJoe]

David Quinn of the Iona Institute on PrimeTime fighting the case for private schools.

He was on the Pat Kenny show this morning as well. Busy chap.

[The Moth]

Unbelievable - a team sent to Japan to report on the sad violent death of a girl.

How many deaths not covered?

The obsessive grubbing over the details of murders of pretty young women is a form pornography.

I agree, there is a voyeuristic feeling about the detailed reporting. The same with the Michaela McAreavey and Cathering Gowing murders. There is much less interest in the murder of of young men abroad. Very sad and hard to listen to.

[Baron von Biffo]

Monica Leech talking utter codswallop about mortgage debt. She thinks no-one is strategic defaulting.

[DCon]

Pat wants a debt write-off, which allows him to keep his Palacial family home while losing some of his investment properties

[Dr. FIVE]

Cyprus says No. What's plan b? @Davidmcw UCC's @Decjordan, frmr IRBC chair Alan Dukes. Also, who'll pay for CAP? Moore McDowell & IFA

[DCon]

Shut up Dukes!!!

Sorry - had to vent

[C. Flower]

Moore McDowell and the farmers was almost funny.

[Spectabilis]

I particularly enjoyed, Bryan, the head of the IFA talking about' hectoacres'. He was sharp on the money issues though

[DCon]

Jimmy Reilly on Primetime discussing his new hospital groupings