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Andrew49
28-10-2010, 01:18 PM
The head of the British spy agency MI6 used the first ever public speech by a serving secret service chief to insist that his agents
"have nothing whatsoever to do with torture". Addressing journalists live on television from a secret location, Sir John Sawers said torture was
"illegal and abhorrent and he was confident that all of his staff act with the utmost integrity and with an eye on basic decency and moral principles". He went on :
"MI6 reflects our country and integrity is the first of the service's values". Source (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/mi6-chief-british-spies-dont-do-torture/story-e6frfku0-1225944891919)

Mr Sawers was addressing journalists live on television from a highly secret location.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZU-ByfU0fI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZU-ByfU0fl

Christy Walsh
28-10-2010, 01:21 PM
I bet had any one of the journalists present twisted his arm a little he might have got a different story.

C. Flower
28-10-2010, 01:23 PM
They don't do torture, but if they did, they would do it the way they did it in Ireland ...

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=5103



The courses were run by interrogators operating within a military unit known as F Branch, part of the Joint Services Intelligence Organisation (Jsio), at the Jsio's Bedfordshire headquarters.

One PowerPoint aid, entitled Any Questions?, explains that the techniques have been developed over decades by British military interrogators serving in Borneo, Malaya, South Arabia, "Palastine" (sic), Cyprus and Northern Ireland. It explains that interrogators have faced "adverse pulicity (sic), investigations and problems" in the past. During operations in Cyprus in the 1950s, it says, such problems were created by members of parliament, and in Aden by the International Committee of the Red Cross. In northern Oman, trainees are informed, the problems were created by "our own side!".

Andrew49
28-10-2010, 01:54 PM
I bet had any one of the journalists present twisted his arm a little he might have got a different story.

:D

Somebody over at Wordle (http://www.wordle.net) has a sense of humour. I Wordled the full text (http://www.societyofeditors.co.uk/page-view.php?page_id=139&parent_page_id=0&news_id=2589&numbertoprintfrom=1) of his 'speech' and got a lovely hammer!

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/intelligencemi6thumb.jpg

C. Flower
28-10-2010, 10:00 PM
The point is being made, in a positive way, by the panel on BBC Newsnight, that Sir John did not say that the British would not use information obtained by torture.

Cáthasaigh
28-10-2010, 11:19 PM
The point is being made, in a positive way, by the panel on BBC Newsnight, that Sir John did not say that the British would not use information obtained by torture.

MI6 might not 'do torture' but they certainly subcontract it out or delegate to other departments.

Andrew49
29-10-2010, 09:05 PM
A BRITISH spy who was found naked and zipped up in a red duffel bag in the bathtub of his London apartment suffocated after a bizarre sex game went wrong. Police believe 30-year-old math Gareth Williams [] died accidentally from a lack of oxygen after he agreed to be locked in the 32-inch-long sports bag by another person.

Sources said the MI6 agent was a fan of claustrophilia - in which people get sexual pleasure from confined spaces. Police have suggested that the person who zipped up the bag discovered Williams dead and fled the apartment. They have ruled out foul play but are still trying to trace the other person. An examination of his two laptops showed Williams visited websites on claustrophilia. Police appealed on Thursday for information about a man and a woman seen at Williams’ apartment in late July. Both were described as of Mediterranean appearance and aged between 20 and 30 years old.

Williams, who worked at the Government Communications Headquarters fighting cyber warfare, was living in London on a temporary assignment for MI6.

Source (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/british-spook-gareth-williams-died-in-houdini-sex-game-say-police/story-e6frfku0-1225945368187)

PaddyJoe
04-06-2014, 09:51 PM
Shocking documentary tonight from the RTE Prime Time Investigations unit into the use of torture in the North in 1971. Shocking not so much because there was much new information but because of the interviews with the survivors and contemporary pictures of the results of the systematic abuse.
What is new is documentary evidence unearthed in British government archives that Cabinet Minsters Lord Carrington and Reginald Maudling were well aware of what was going on and certainly at least condoned it.

C. Flower
04-06-2014, 09:55 PM
Shocking documentary tonight from the RTE Prime Time Investigations unit into the use of torture in the North in 1971. Shocking not so much because there was much new information but because of the interview with the survivors and contemporary pictures of the results of the systematic abuse.
What is new is documentary evidence unearthed in British government archives that Cabinet Minsters Lord Carrington and Reginald Maudling were well aware of what was going on and certainly at least condoned it.

Not a whole lot of pre-publicity for it.

The British get away with murder. A patrician air and a well cut suit means that a man can't be envisaged as a monster.

riposte
04-06-2014, 10:00 PM
The British get away with murder.
Only for the last 800 years.

PaddyJoe
10-05-2015, 08:51 PM
Amal Clooney to represent the hooded men:


The 37-year-old Oxford graduate will travel to Belfast next month for a meeting with the nine survivors.The torture claims have been backed by the Irish Government and historian, Jim McIlmurray, who has suggested that documents have now been discovered which demonstrate that the Prime Minister at the time was fully aware that torture was being used on prisoners.
"These documents show that torture was discussed at the highest level with the knowledge of Heath.
"Because of this documentation the case is very much black and white. The UK Government had lied about its knowledge and six months prior to internment had ordered a special unit to carry out torture," he said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/amal-clooney-to-accuse-ted-heath-of-authorising-torture-in-northern-ireland-10239318.html

Apjp
10-05-2015, 09:55 PM
Who are they torturing today though?

You telling me a man and a government who have ordered bombing campaigns in Libya and Syria, killing thousands of people, really give a damn about Torture?

Why does nobody question the foreign policies of David Cameron's govt.'s, past and present?

Back in the days of Tony Blair, torture and murder were big issues and would be questioned as well as suspected.

Nobody has ever sought to find out if and where MI5/6 and the British Army are still torturing today. Not to mind how many people they kill each month.

Films from James Bond to Kingsmen have glorified this sadistic cruelty all along and nobody in the media looks unkindly on it anymore.

Foreign regimes are game, but what British Journalist would dare ask Cameron these things today.

It's not conceivable that a Party that worships the Empire and Thatcher and that has ordered bombing campaigns has its hands clean on M15/6 actions atm.

C. Flower
01-02-2017, 10:04 PM
Classified papers released show that Jack Lynch knew the British had waterboarded an epileptic man 5 times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/british-army-used-waterboarding-in-north-papers-claim-1.2959826


The PFC also produced documentary evidence that, in order to avoid adverse publicity, legal advice was given to the British ministry of defence to settle a case where a 19-year-old man alleged he had been subjected to “electric shock” abuse and waterboarding in February 1972

Donal Og
02-02-2017, 07:26 AM
Classified papers released show that Jack Lynch knew the British had waterboarded an epileptic man 5 times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/british-army-used-waterboarding-in-north-papers-claim-1.2959826

Ah but the European court decided this was merely brutality or ill treatment rather than torture. I well recall the gloating in the Torygraph that Britain had been vindicated.

C. Flower
02-02-2017, 08:34 AM
Ah but the European court decided this was merely brutality or ill treatment rather than torture. I well recall the gloating in the Torygraph that Britain had been vindicated.

I don't recall electrocution and waterboarding having featured in the European Court report.