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antiestablishmentarian
11-10-2010, 09:25 AM
Sorry for the late notice in posting this but there will be a public debate between the Socialist Party, represented by Councillor Matt Waine, and the Government represented by Minister for Social Protection Éamon Ó Cúiv, in Galway this evening. The debate will take place at 8pm in the Menlo Park Hotel, all welcome.

Slim Buddha
11-10-2010, 10:24 AM
Damn! I wanted to read the Tuam Herald so that I would be able to get a handle on where O'Cuiv is coming from but it is no longer online. Sod it!

BrendanGalway
11-10-2010, 02:36 PM
Cool, might try to make this. Any charge at the door?

antiestablishmentarian
11-10-2010, 02:37 PM
Cool, might try to make this. Any charge at the door?

No I don't think so: I imagine there'll be a request for voluntary donations at the end but nothing mandatory.

BrendanGalway
12-10-2010, 11:27 PM
Didnt make it in the end, Herself already had booked the night off so that was that. Did you make it yourself Anti? Anything interesting to report?

antiestablishmentarian
13-10-2010, 09:45 AM
Didnt make it in the end, Herself already had booked the night off so that was that. Did you make it yourself Anti? Anything interesting to report?

Nothing much Brendan, just ó Cúiv talking through his arse spouting false statistics. One interesting thing was the reception he got from some FF cumann members: one man there, an FF member whose daughter ran for the Co. Council last time out, started berating the govt. for letting down the unemployed, especially young apprentices, and stated that it was a complete disgrace that greed had been allowed to rule the country and get us into this mess. Was a bit surprised to hear that to be honest.

C. Flower
13-10-2010, 10:41 AM
Nothing much Brendan, just ó Cúiv talking through his arse spouting false statistics. One interesting thing was the reception he got from some FF cumann members: one man there, an FF member whose daughter ran for the Co. Council last time out, started berating the govt. for letting down the unemployed, especially young apprentices, and stated that it was a complete disgrace that greed had been allowed to rule the country and get us into this mess. Was a bit surprised to hear that to be honest.

Anti -things are moving further and faster than people think.

LeftAtTheCross
13-10-2010, 10:53 AM
Nothing much Brendan, just ó Cúiv talking through his arse spouting false statistics. One interesting thing was the reception he got from some FF cumann members: one man there, an FF member whose daughter ran for the Co. Council last time out, started berating the govt. for letting down the unemployed, especially young apprentices, and stated that it was a complete disgrace that greed had been allowed to rule the country and get us into this mess. Was a bit surprised to hear that to be honest.

I wouldn't get my hopes up that there's any leaftwards momentum within FF all the same.

One can imagine there's many an incumbent or upcoming FFer around the country who can see the writing on the wall, that their only chance for survival is to turn on their ruling cadre, to scapegoat the individuals leading the party and their cronies in the banks, and to fly kites about returning to their roots amongst the plain people of Ireland etc.

These are not political sophisticates we're talking about here, except in the basest sense of knowing what buttons to press to exploit the public mood and ride the waves of popular opinion.

antiestablishmentarian
14-10-2010, 11:06 AM
I wouldn't get my hopes up that there's any leaftwards momentum within FF all the same.

One can imagine there's many an incumbent or upcoming FFer around the country who can see the writing on the wall, that their only chance for survival is to turn on their ruling cadre, to scapegoat the individuals leading the party and their cronies in the banks, and to fly kites about returning to their roots amongst the plain people of Ireland etc.

These are not political sophisticates we're talking about here, except in the basest sense of knowing what buttons to press to exploit the public mood and ride the waves of popular opinion.

Trust me comrade, I have no hopes that the FF membership is in any way, shape or form moving to the left: I just found it interesting though that even the FF grassroots are feeling the pinch and are blaming it on the govt.

LeftAtTheCross
14-10-2010, 11:25 AM
Trust me comrade, I have no hopes that the FF membership is in any way, shape or form moving to the left: I just found it interesting though that even the FF grassroots are feeling the pinch and are blaming it on the govt.

Of course.

However, a gradual Leftwards movement in society would be something to be welcomed. I'm not expecting mass defections from FF into the WP or SP anytime soon, but I would view it as progress if the populist perspective of the centrist parties was replaced by even the weakest of socialist or social democrat sentiment amongst those sections of the electorate who have previously pinned their hopes on FF and FG.

Before you hit back with Trotsky's theory on how that should happen, I mean that it would be a small piece of progress in the right direction, not that it would be earth shattering in itself, but only that it would open up space in the public discourse about where the majority of people envision their future. And by working within that enlarged space, parties of the Left such as the WP and SP can gain more traction than we have during the recent era of neo-liberal hegemony.

antiestablishmentarian
14-10-2010, 11:32 AM
Of course.

[QUOTE]However, a gradual Leftwards movement in society would be something to be welcomed. I'm not expecting mass defections from FF into the WP or SP anytime soon, but I would view it as progress if the populist perspective of the centrist parties was replaced by even the weakest of socialist or social democrat sentiment amongst those sections of the electorate who have previously pinned their hopes on FF and FG.

Yes I would have to agree with you there: you are well aware by this stage of our views on the Labour Party but strange and all as this may seem we welcome the swing to them as evidence of a left wing shift and as a radical break with the past.


Before you hit back with Trotsky's theory on how that should happen, I mean that it would be a small piece of progress in the right direction, not that it would be earth shattering in itself, but only that it would open up space in the public discourse about where the majority of people envision their future. And by working within that enlarged space, parties of the Left such as the WP and SP can gain more traction than we have during the recent era of neo-liberal hegemony
Don't worry I'm not going to hit you over the head with the transitional program :D

LeftAtTheCross
14-10-2010, 11:37 AM
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Don't worry I'm not going to hit you over the head with the transitional program :D

Glad to hear it :)