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C. Flower
22-09-2010, 09:46 PM
Much better than I expected. Russell Crowe and Denzel Washington.

Heroin in New York. Dark, dirty and violent, but much less laboured and more real than similar films.
Lá an Lúbáin
22-09-2010, 09:52 PM
Much better than I expected. Russell Crowe and Denzel Washington.

Heroin in New York. Dark, dirty and violent, but much less laboured and more real than similar films.

Ah, tough luck, you missed Seachtar na Cásca featuring Tom Clarke on TG4
C. Flower
22-09-2010, 09:55 PM
Ah, tough luck, you missed Seachtar na Cásca featuring Tom Clarke on TG4

I know - just saw a mention of it on FB - was it good ?
antiestablishmentarian
22-09-2010, 09:57 PM
I know - just saw a mention of it on FB - was it good ?
Very stilted I thought and overly romanticised when it came to the actual Rising but the bit before that was grand
PaddyJoe
22-09-2010, 09:58 PM
Some fine seventies details. The wardrobe and makeup dept. must have had a lot of fun:)
Fing Fers
22-09-2010, 09:58 PM
For all the Gangsters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk31242CnkU
Lá an Lúbáin
22-09-2010, 10:05 PM
I know - just saw a mention of it on FB - was it good ?

Well, it didn't show him running away from brave Tommies or eating children so a lot better than what we'd have to have endured if RTÉ got their grubby hands on it.

If you can cope with the bad Irish cop fom Cracker playing Connolly then it's a good show. The old Kathleen Clarke clip was a tonic.
Mick Tully
22-09-2010, 10:05 PM
I know - just saw a mention of it on FB - was it good ?

Wasn't bad pity they don't show the seven days that RTE made in 1966:rolleyes:
Lá an Lúbáin
22-09-2010, 10:10 PM
Very stilted I thought and overly romanticised when it came to the actual Rising but the bit before that was grand

I didn't think they went ott on the romance at all. I mean, they could have shown him being stipped naked by Lee-Wilson for the titilation of the nurses at the windows in the Rotunda.
C. Flower
22-09-2010, 10:19 PM
Well, it didn't show him running away from brave Tommies or eating children so a lot better than what we'd have to have endured if RTÉ got their grubby hands on it.

If you can cope with the bad Irish cop fom Cracker playing Connolly then it's a good show. The old Kathleen Clarke clip was a tonic.

Ta. A kind FF Cummann on FB tell me I can watch it on the net. And there's a whole set of them coming up over the next few weeks.
TotalMayhem
23-09-2010, 01:59 AM
Much better than I expected. Russell Crowe and Denzel Washington.

Heroin in New York. Dark, dirty and violent, but much less laboured and more real than similar films.

Seen this one last year, it's a decent movie but a bit too glossy and not exactly close to reality. If you're interested in the matter, there's Mr. Untouchable, a documentary about Nicky Barnes, the 'other' Harlem heroin kingpin of the 70ies.

YouTube - Mr Untouchable Nicky Barnes Part 1
C. Flower
23-09-2010, 05:50 AM
Seen this one last year, it's a decent movie but a bit too glossy and not exactly close to reality. If you're interested in the matter, there's Mr. Untouchable, a documentary about Nicky Barnes, the 'other' Harlem heroin kingpin of the 70ies.

YouTube - Mr Untouchable Nicky Barnes Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaz-zdJCYI)

American Gangster suggested that heroin was bought direct in Vietnam by a glack gangster and shipped back to the US in coffin flights and from there flooded direct into the black communities. Of course the film suggested that bar the odd corrupt cop, the state forces were not behind any of this and didn't know it was happening.

Kev Bar has posted on this subject.

People are looking around for fantasy chemtrails in the sky when the real chemtrails are all too evident on the ground, from the Helmand and Columbia.
Cáthasaigh
23-09-2010, 08:54 AM
American Gangster suggested that heroin was bought direct in Vietnam by a glack gangster and shipped back to the US in coffin flights and from there flooded direct into the black communities. Of course the film suggested that bar the odd corrupt cop, the state forces were not behind any of this and didn't know it was happening.

Kev Bar has posted on this subject.

People are looking around for fantasy chemtrails in the sky when the real chemtrails are all too evident on the ground, from the Helmand and Columbia.

Air America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_%28film%29)suggests a more credible and realistic source of the heroin. The corporations involved in the making and financing of American Gangster no doubt have their tentacles in the 'security industry' and its allied fields; as such they would have the need to foster fables.
C. Flower
23-09-2010, 08:58 AM
The "threatens to reveal their operations to Washington" line is where it goes badly wrong.
Cáthasaigh
23-09-2010, 09:01 AM
The "threatens to reveal their operations to Washington" line is where it goes badly wrong.

Clarify please.
C. Flower
23-09-2010, 09:13 AM
Clarify please.

The suggestion in the film that Washington knew nothing about mass import of heroin on their own planes, for years on end, is not credible.
Cáthasaigh
23-09-2010, 09:17 AM
The suggestion in the film that Washington knew nothing about mass import of heroin on their own planes, for years on end, is not credible.

Very true and also the reason why it would have been political suicide for an American senator to attempt to highlight the issue. If memory serves me correctly the CIA agent in charge of the Air America operation went on to work in Panama of all places; despite being exposed. It really is amazing just how blatant they are about this stuff.
Cáthasaigh
23-09-2010, 09:23 AM
Totally off topic but I googled Christopher Robbins, the author of Air America, and discovered that he also wrote a book entitled 'The Empress of Ireland (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1104714.The_Empress_of_Ireland)' which looks interesting.
People Korps
23-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Totally off topic but I googled Christopher Robbins, the author of Air America, and discovered that he also wrote a book entitled 'The Empress of Ireland (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1104714.The_Empress_of_Ireland)' which looks interesting.

Met Robbins at the UK launch of the book along with about 20 Air America guys and their wives. A strange experience, most of the spooks worked in S. America later.
Cáthasaigh
23-09-2010, 02:39 PM
Met Robbins at the UK launch of the book along with about 20 Air America guys and their wives. A strange experience, most of the spooks worked in S. America later.

Yeah it states, after the credits, that the CIA man portrayed as 'Diehl' in the film went on to be their top man in Panama during the Noreaga era.