Vincent Browne Heckle Autumn Season 2010 - Lenihan Interview 30 Sept.

[C. Flower]

Cowen and the Church.

[musashi]

Bertie's boys are on tonight ripping into Cowan.

[antiestablishmentarian]

Yeah thats odd: if they're not supporting him what does that mean? The return of da Bert perhaps (shudders)?

[C. Flower]

Maybe just vengeance.

[musashi]

Yeah thats odd: if they're not supporting him what does that mean? The return of da Bert perhaps (shudders)?

He hasn't gone away y'know ;)
Fianna Fail: a party of mercenaries.

[Kid Ryder]

Maybe just vengeance.

That, and to show all and sundry that he can still pull strings.

[Griska]

An internal heave against Cowen can't be far off.

[concernedparent]

But in the long run is it going to make any difference to the government we have.

Its a bit like the products on supermarket shelves that are branded 'new' and 'improved'

Basically the ingredients remain unchanged but the packaging has been tarted up.:(

[Griska]

But in the long run is it going to make any difference to the government we have.

Its a bit like the products on supermarket shelves that are branded 'new' and 'improved'

Basically the ingredients remain unchanged but the packaging has been tarted up.:(

Well, it may give them a bit more time at the helm, unfortunately. Cowen is tainted beyond repair, so a new face could buy them some time.

[Munnkeyman]

Brian Cowen again tonight (internal heave rumours), within Fianna Fáil that is,
and the Pope and his trip to the U.K.

[PaddyJoe]

The Star saying that Cowen will be gone by Christmas.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2wcmmo5.jpg
h/t squidlimerick

[C. Flower]

He should of course stand down immediately. He's a liability.

[TotalMayhem]

He should of course stand down immediately.

If he really mocked Philip Walton's speech disorder to 'entertain' colleagues then that's beyond disgusting. No spinning will make that go away.

[Griska]

If he really mocked Philip Walton's speech disorder to 'entertain' colleagues then that's beyond disgusting. No spinning will make that go away.

Who is Philip Walton?

[Ah Well]

Who is Philip Walton?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/3913405.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Walton

[Griska]

Cheers. So, Cowen while drinking at our expense, takes the piss out of a golfer with a speech impediment. The mind boggles.

[PaddyJoe]

In a statement released exclusively to Reuters on Thursday, Walton said he and his wife felt compelled to contact Brian Cowen after details of the skit appeared in newspapers and television reports.

"From what I have heard and read so far the stories are of concern to myself, my wife and also my children as they have seen reports on 'You Tube'," Walton said in a statement.

"As a result, we felt the best thing at this point was to write to An Taoiseach (the prime minister) ourselves to get more details and the exact context of the various stories."
The statement said Walton, who holed the winning putt in the 1995 Ryder Cup, felt "anger" at this week's events.

Walton's letter will heap further pressure on Cowen who was forced to apologize on Wednesday for performing badly on a morning radio interview just hours after he finished partying at his parliamentary party's annual conference.
I''m not sure why Reuters Canada had this story first. I wonder does Walton live over there now?
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/sports/article_212323428.shtml?ref=rss

[TotalMayhem]

I wonder does Walton live over there now?

Obviously, Philip Walton is living in Meath:

Philip Walton Unhappy with Reports (http://foreireland.blogspot.com/2010/09/philip-walton-unhappy-with-reports.html)

[Griska]

I''m not sure why Reuters Canada had this story first. I wonder does Walton live over there now?
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/sports/article_212323428.shtml?ref=rss

Well if he doesn't, he'll probably be heading off soon enough after this.

[PaddyJoe]

Obviously, Philip Walton is living in Meath:

Philip Walton Unhappy with Reports (http://foreireland.blogspot.com/2010/09/philip-walton-unhappy-with-reports.html)

Shows you how much I know about golf. Until today I thought Philip Walton was yer man who had that music shop in Dublin years ago and sponsored that programme on Radio Eireann in the seventies that I heard through the umbilical cord:D

[Griska]

Is Walton's gone? Many a day as an aspiring musician I browsed in there.

[Ah Well]

Cheers. So, Cowen while drinking at our expense, takes the piss out of a golfer with a speech impediment. The mind boggles.

Yup .... basically you have the Prime Minister of a State using another person in an impromptu stand up charade to the laughter of others

Not good at all whatever way you dress it up - in fact it's despicable and downright appalling ... and Walton is quite right to be upset about it - so would I be if it were me

And if Mr Walton does indeed have the condition known as dysphonia as has been suggested this is what that is ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysphonia

Cowen was likely not to know of this condition, but he certainly knew that Mr. Walton's voice sounded "different" by virtue of using him in the skit in the first place - and that in itself was wrong over and above the dysphonia thing

Oh, Walton was a member of the European Ryder Cup winning team of 1995 (in fact he was the hero winning the penultimate game in the singles on Sunday), he was on an Irish Dunhill Cup winning team, has won 3 Euro Tour Events and 4 Irish PGAs ...

[Griska]

And of course Mr. Cowen is known for speaking with such clarity himself.

[PaddyJoe]

Yup .... basically you have the Prime Minister of a State using another person in an impromptu stand up charade to the laughter of others

Not good at all whatever way you dress it up - in fact it's despicable and downright appalling ... and Walton is quite right to be upset about it - so would I be if it were me

And if Mr Walton does indeed have the condition known as dysphonia as has been suggested this is what that is ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysphonia

Cowen was likely not to know of this condition, but he certainly knew that Mr. Walton's voice sounded "different" by virtue of using him in the skit in the first place - and that in itself was wrong over and above the dysphonia thing

Oh, Walton was a member of the European Ryder Cup winning team of 1995 (in fact he was the hero winning the penultimate game in the singles on Sunday), he was on an Irish Dunhill Cup winning team, has won 3 Euro Tour Events and 4 Irish PGAs ...

The screaming irony of someone whose indisposition is being blamed on 'hoarseness", "sleep aponea' , 'nasal congestion" and god knows what other aliments taking the mickey out of someone else's speech difficulties....:(

[TotalMayhem]

Yup .... basically you have the Prime Minister of a State using another person in an impromptu stand up charade to the laughter of others

They aren't any better. I doubt the Taioseach's rendition was greeted with indignant silence.

A public inquiry regarding the disgraceful events at the Ardilaun seems inevitable.

[musashi]

Fine Gael mouthpiece Noel Whelan, Norin Hegarty (Tribune) & Pat Rabbitte on now.

Don't expect any novel ideas about what the hell we're going to do next; just the usual partisan baloney.

[C. Flower]

Yes watching this. Everyone is strangely unfocused, on both programmes.

The Cowen issue is hanging over everything.

[Munnkeyman]

Pat Rabitte
"Conor Lenihan has some neck":)

[C. Flower]

Frontline is taking off a bit.

[musashi]

Yes watching this. Everyone is strangely unfocused, on both programmes.

The Cowen issue is hanging over everything.

Cowen has become kind of like a decoy to distract from the fact that nobody knows what the hell is coming next (a sideshow, as Whelan calls it).

[musashi]

Vincent: How will your parties deal with it.
Pat: blah blah macro parameters blah blah...

[C. Flower]

Cowen has become kind of like a decoy to distract from the fact that nobody knows what the hell is coming next (a sideshow, as Whelan calls it).

It's a decoy, but a also profound communal insecurity when the Big Boss has been found to have feet of clay. He will have to be sacrificed now.

[PaddyJoe]

Pat Rabbite doesn't seem to have a clue about how a Labour government would handle Finance. Waffling away about macro this and macro that. Browne let him away very lightly.

[C. Flower]

Pat Rabbite doesn't seem to have a clue about how a Labour government would handle Finance. Waffling away about macro this and macro that. Browne let him away very lightly.

They should change their name from Labour to "we don't have the figures"

[musashi]

It's a decoy, but a also profound communal insecurity when the Big Boss has been found to have feet of clay. He will have to be sacrificed now.

"And the needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before."

[C. Flower]

"And the needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before."

Noel Whelan looks in shock.

[PaddyJoe]

A straight answer from a FFer:confused: Noel Whelan wants Lenihan to lead FF into the next election. If his health prevents that his second choice is Micheal Martin.

[C. Flower]

A straight answer from a FFer:confused: Noel Whelan wants Lenihan to lead FF into the next election. If his health prevents that his second choice is Micheal Martin.

He had the look of a man watching a gravy train crashing.

[PaddyJoe]

Isn't is funny how nobody on RTE ever points out that Whelan is an FF insider? Well, actually no, its not.

[musashi]

Isn't is funny how nobody on RTE ever points out that Whelan is an FF insider? Well, actually no, its not.

Dude Noel Whelan is as blue shirt as they come.

[C. Flower]

Isn't is funny how nobody on RTE ever points out that Whelan is an FF insider? Well, actually no, its not.

There's a small army of them.

[PaddyJoe]

Dude Noel Whelan is as blue shirt as they come.

Are we talking about the same Noel Whelan?:D
http://i51.tinypic.com/8wvyvq.jpg

[musashi]

Are we talking about the same Noel Whelan?:D
http://i51.tinypic.com/8wvyvq.jpg

A lot can change in 13 years but whatever no skin-off ;)

[C. Flower]

Are cuts inevitable ? Future of the Welfare State.

The EU countries including the UK and Ireland,

Russia, Cuba - hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs going.

[Munnkeyman]

Vincent is starting to lose the run of himself again, in despair.
Róisín Shorthall :rolleyes:

[PaddyJoe]

Vinny discussing latest on Sean Fitz and Anglo.

[C. Flower]

Vinny discussing latest on Sean Fitz and Anglo.

Is this our Namawinelake ? :)

[musashi]

Anything interesting?

[C. Flower]

Free flowing and interesting, new commentators.

[PaddyJoe]

Is this our Namawinelake ? :)

Sandeep? I wonder?:)

[PaddyJoe]

Its a bit depressing because really they could have had exactly the same discussion say eight or nine months ago. All that has changed is that the country is even more screwed and the black hole in Anglo is even deeper.

[PaddyJoe]

Sounds like Mary Coughlan put her foot in it again today. At a press conference announcing new measures to attract foreign students to Ireland she thanked Dermot Ahern for 'giving his alma mater' to the project:D

[PaddyJoe]

The Sun has a front page story about Brian Cowen on a 12 hour session at a hotel in Mayo in July which ended in him being helped to bed.

[C. Flower]

Sounds like Mary Coughlan put her foot in it again today. At a press conference announcing new measures to attract foreign students to Ireland she thanked Dermot Ahern for 'giving his alma mater' to the project:D

The poor woman must have been mortified: :eek:

[musashi]

Our glorious leader; man I love this country.

[ang]

The Sun has a front page story about Brian Cowen on a 12 hour session at a hotel in Mayo in July which ended in him being helped to bed.

Maybe this sad story will help him out of the Dail.

[Munnkeyman]

As a reminder tonight the TV3 Opinion Poll from Millward Browne Landsdowne.

[C. Flower]

Fionnan Sheehan, John Fitzgerald, Senator Alex White and James McCarthy Morrogh on the TV3 News / Milward Brown political opinion poll #vinb

[Munnkeyman]

Fionnan Sheehan, John Fitzgerald, Senator Alex White and James McCarthy Morrogh on the TV3 News / Milward Brown political opinion poll #vinb

Now that's a decent panel...
I've a lot of time for Fionnán Sheehan, especially after last week against
Pat Carey(His coherent rant about the merits of Newsweek vs the Financial Times).

[C. Flower]

Discussion of the poll is dry. It's reading matter, not a discussion.

[Munnkeyman]

Vincent is breaking down again,
I don't blame him either

Conor Lenihan
Lucinda Creighton
Joe Costello
Mary Lou McDonald.

After half an hour............
Conor Lenihan waffling ad nauseum.
Lucinda Creighton has had a strop.
Vincent refusing to listen to Joe Costello.
Mary Lou has said nothing yet.

[TotalMayhem]

VB: If we have turned the corner then where is the evidence?

CL: The forecast is evidence.

priceless.

[C. Flower]

Vincent is breaking down again,
I don't blame him either

Conor Lenihan
Lucinda Creighton
Joe Costello
Mary Lou McDonald.

After half an hour............
Conor Lenihan waffling ad nauseum.
Lucinda Creighton has had a strop.
Vincent refusing to listen to Joe Costello.
Mary Lou has said nothing yet.


They really are a discredited class. It's weird. It's as if they've gone out of date.

[Munnkeyman]

They really are a discredited class. It's weird. It's as if they've gone out of date.

:(TV3 Live dropped out a few minutes back.
I don't think I missed anything:cool:

[C. Flower]

:(TV3 Live dropped out a few minutes back.
I don't think I missed anything:cool:

You didn't.

Wasn't Mary Lou in Fianna Fail first ?

[PaddyJoe]

Heavyweight finance panel tonight:
Paul Sommerville, David Mc Williams , Peter Mathews and Elaine Hutson.

[Munnkeyman]

Should be an interesting show tonight ....... hopefully?

[C. Flower]

No-one there for the Bank Guarantee debate...

[BrendanGalway]

Commemorating Doomsday! Vincent is not Happy...

[C. Flower]

Good discussion tonight - Mathews and Sommerville are very clear.

The full horror is being clearly spelled out.

[Béal na Bláth]

Amen David. THESE ARE NOT THE DEBTS OF THE SOVEREIGN IRISH PEOPLE NOR THEIR CHILDREN.

[BrendanGalway]

Lordy, someone pass the Powers. That was Horrible viewing tonight. Nothing to do with the guests but the message was Depressing. A possible €65 Billion final tab for all this. The Panel were United in their belief that our Government just dont know what they are doing. They quite adamant on that and repeated it on a few occasions, McWilliams going as far as to state that they didnt know how to manage the country when things were Booming.

One small glimmer was that they still believe its not too late to hand these Skips over to their Bondholders and Investors, that we can still avoid an Apocalypse. If only it were anyone else other than FF in power....their Incompetence wont allow them to alter course.

I havent been this dispirited in a while. The Horror that was spelled out tonight. We are becoming a Debt-repayment machine. And the country will go to Hell in the meantime. And still, 24% Browne reported from the Poll will vote for FF again. What a nightmare.

[DCon]

Good discussion tonight - Mathews and Sommerville are very clear.

The full horror is being clearly spelled out.

Anyone hear Sheehan say that FF could bring Pat the Cope back from Europe to contest the Donegal by-election caused by Pat the Cope moving to Europe.

Christ on a bike

[C. Flower]

So when are we going to do something about it ?

[PaddyJoe]

Anyone hear Sheehan say that FF could bring Pat the Cope back from Europe to contest the Donegal by-election caused by Pat the Cope moving to Europe.

Christ on a bike

Yep, he must have picked that up over a quick g n' t! What are the chances of him being a candidate himself down the country if push came to shove?:)

[ang]

Brian Lenihan will be interviewed on Tonight with Vincent Browne 11:05 pm

[Griska]

Brian Lenihan will be interviewed on Tonight with Vincent Browne 11:05 pm

Set your videos folks. He's been given an easy ride elsewhere.

[ang]

Indeed let's hope Vincent gives him that long overdue grilling.

[C. Flower]

Indeed let's hope Vincent gives him that long overdue grilling.

I hope he goes to VB's shed/studio. I hate it when they relocate for bigwigs.

[PaddyJoe]

I wonder if will be a pre recorded piece like the one on Prime Time at the moment?

[The Field Marshal]

Cowan , Lenihan and Gormley will go down in history as the saviours of the Irish financial system.

The country owes them a great debt of gratitude.

Will all the naysayers please shut up now.

[DCon]

Cowan , Lenihan and Gormley will go down in history as the saviours of the Irish financial system.

The country owes them a great debt of gratitude.

Will all the naysayers please shut up now.

Can you leave your trolling to p.ie?


Nobody wants it here

[BrendanGalway]

Argh! Vincent concedes Home territory.

[C. Flower]

Always a bad move. He's already let a billion euro lie pass.

[BrendanGalway]

"The Guarantee did not Cause this Problem!" - Brian Lenihan

:eek:

[C. Flower]

The problem used to be the international crisis, now its "reckless lending by the banks"...
for which we must now pay.

"Anglo Irish at that stage was nearly half the national wealth"....did no one notice....?

[C. Flower]

"We now own the bulk of the banking system" - what happened to "Nationalise....no ******** way"

[musashi]

"Clear blue water" bah, this is utter bo**ox.

[musashi]

I wish Vincent would ask him: Why are the bank's boards of directors still in position?

[C. Flower]

Briefing the Financial Times was more important than telling the Dáil.

[musashi]

Vincent: Why should the people of Ireland pay for this...

Lenihan: blah blah always collective responsibility blah blah

[BrendanGalway]

Two things :

- He talked pure and utter HorseShite throughout
- He was many times more composed in that Interview than he was during his last appearance on VB. He has clearly gown into his role and is probably FFs secret weapon. Should FF decide they want to win the next Election, they will put him Front and Center of their Campaign. He is a Statesman compared to Cowen.

Also, the spoke on two occasions about restoring AIB to its Former Position and its Rightful Position. Does a Private Enterprise have a "Rightful Position"? We have come to the aid of AIB every decade since its formation. If Lenihan believes they are a Golden Calf, how many more times will they compel us to rescue them from their cosseted position?

[C. Flower]

Two things :

- He talked pure and utter HorseShite throughout
- He was many times more composed in that Interview than he was during his last appearance on VB. He has clearly gown into his role and is probably FFs secret weapon. Should FF decide they want to win the next Election, they will put him Front and Center of their Campaign. He is a Statesman compared to Cowen.

Also, the spoke on two occasions about restoring AIB to its Former Position and its Rightful Position. Does a Private Enterprise have a "Rightful Position"? We have come to the aid of AIB every decade since its formation. If Lenihan believes they are a Golden Calf, how many more times will they compel us to rescue them from their cosseted position?

The AIB shares were always the bread, butter and jam of the privileged classes.

[musashi]

Advertising binge-fest; typical TV3.

[Mick Tully]

I didn't think VB was up to much.

[PaddyJoe]

It's grim stuff tonight. Even Pat Rabbite wants to believe these figures and that this puts an end to the banking crisis.:confused:
Daily Star has a tombstone for Ireland on the front page!
'Traitors' on the front page of the Sun referring to Fitzpatrick and Fingleton.

[C. Flower]

Pat Rabitte seems to be welcoming the IMF's future role - in Latvia they have cut social welfare, one public sector job in three - and the economy is in a disastrous state.

[BrendanGalway]

Interesting. Pat Rabbite says theres no way around cutting Public Service Numbers. Voluntary Redundancies from the Market or National Pension Reserve...

[C. Flower]

Interesting. Pat Rabbite says theres no way around cutting Public Service Numbers. Voluntary Redundancies from the Market or National Pension Reserve...

Pat would be first man there at the airport to welcome the IMF in.

[PaddyJoe]

Why does Vincent seem to think that Pat would be the Finance Minister in a future government? Wouldn't Joan B have something to say about that?

[Kid Ryder]

Pat would be first man there at the airport to welcome the IMF in.

I'd say it appeals to Pat R's inner Stick. He'd have desperate nostalgia for those Stalinist tanks crossing the border and peremptorily crushing all opposition to the local satrap. The IMF amounts to the same thing, but without the heavy metal whizz-bang. And business suits are a form of urban camouflage these days...;)

[musashi]

Why does Vincent seem to think that Pat would be the Finance Minister in a future government? Wouldn't Joan B have something to say about that?

I wasn't impressed by his take on Austerity - no vision, catchphrases.

[Mick Tully]

Why does Vincent seem to think that Pat would be the Finance Minister in a future government? Wouldn't Joan B have something to say about that?

Who would lend money to her they give her a few quid to go away. :rolleyes:

[PaddyJoe]

I think that Pat is maybe leaving open the possibility of an Fianna Fail cuddle

[Mick Tully]

I think that Pat is maybe leaving open the possibility of an Fianna Fail cuddle

My sentiments entirely. No sign of Gilmore, then he looks good in the Dail but he has to be kept away from intelligent questions.:eek:

[disability student]

When i was in Galway during Lisbon Treaty campaign mark II, Gimore was shaking hands with lot of people around. I refused to shake hands with him just because he was/is a two faces. He has 'no one face' at all.He is like a chameleon who disgiuses many faces in many ways. That chameleon (Gilmore) is capable of changing into slipstream without people noticing it.

[ang]

It's grim stuff tonight. Even Pat Rabbite wants to believe these figures and that this puts an end to the banking crisis.:confused:
Daily Star has a tombstone for Ireland on the front page!
'Traitors' on the front page of the Sun referring to Fitzpatrick and Fingleton.

Link to the Daily Star frontpage here PJ:-

http://twitpic.com/2tjmv3

[Andrew49]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/itsaysinthepapers.jpg

[musashi]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/itsaysinthepapers.jpg

Today's papers made for quite a stirring vista in Easons this morning.

[Griska]

I think that Pat is maybe leaving open the possibility of an Fianna Fail cuddle

Rabbitte has, or at least had an almost pathological hatred of FF and SF. I can't see him being up for a cuddle.

[C. Flower]

I'm on Vincent Browne tonight with @bankermathews, Niamh Lyons and Michael taft

Brian Lucey

[ang]

Brian Lucey, Peter Matthews, Constantin and friends should be amongst the first people that any new Governmnt should talk to.

They have gone out on a limb to try and show us where it has all gone wrong and have also provided solutions.

Peter Matthews was again proven right with his figures for AIB yet not so much as a whimper from our Government on that.

[Apjp]

Pat would be first man there at the airport to welcome the IMF in.

Rubbish. i wouldn't even insult biffo with that nonsense. That is below you..

[Apjp]

Brian Lucey, Peter Matthews, Constantin and friends should be amongst the first people that any new Governmnt should talk to.

They have gone out on a limb to try and show us where it has all gone wrong and have also provided solutions.

Peter Matthews was again proven right with his figures for AIB yet not so much as a whimper from our Government on that.

matthews might have credibility to some-but to me he has a vested interest in Ireland being charged sky high interest rates on it's debt-he is the chief of goldman saachs..earth to mod.:)

[PaddyJoe]

matthews might have credibility to some-but to me he has a vested interest in Ireland being charged sky high interest rates on it's debt-he is the chief of goldman saachs..earth to mod.:)

;)Apjp, think you might be confusing Peter Matthews with Peter Sutherland there...although they both do a nifty line in expensive looking banking apparel.

[DCon]

"Weaknesses in the NAMA project"

I'm shocked

[ang]

matthews might have credibility to some-but to me he has a vested interest in Ireland being charged sky high interest rates on it's debt-he is the chief of goldman saachs..earth to mod.:)

Apjp some information on Peter Mathews here:-

http://bankermathews.com/about/

[Béal na Bláth]

Same tax take as 2003 - 40% higher PS wage bill. Does not compute.

[Bertie Basher]

Same tax take as 2003 - 40% higher PS wage bill. Does not compute.

scarey

[Béal na Bláth]

Lucey such a harbinger of doom. Matthews makes same points but with padded mallet. You definitely catch more flies with honey Brian.

[Bertie Basher]

Papers - johnny ronan - stop giving money to charity - F. OFF

[C. Flower]

US accused of exaggerating terror threat so they could increase drone attacks - Guardian.

[Mick Tully]

Missed the start of VB I am wondering who the well fed fat cats were on the show listened for a few minutes and switched off.

[TotalMayhem]

Aww sh1t ... Richard Bruton wants to fix my life.

[Bertie Basher]

on VB - sindo "ireland have turned the corner" WTF..who wrote this *****