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Spectabilis
24-02-2010, 01:26 PM
“Ireland has a very low rate of divorce by European standards, comparable to the southern European nations of Italy, Greece and Spain. Even once separation is accounted for, which almost doubles the breakdown rate, the rate of marital breakdown in Ireland remains low. “ ESRI Family Figures
http://www.esri.ie/UserFiles/publications/20100222100957/SUSTAT029.pdf

When the rate of marital breakdown is reported as very low by the ESRI study published yesterday, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Irish couples have longer more stable relationships. We all have the anecdotal evidence of our friends going through difficult break-ups, but this seems to be treated as a matter of private distress rather than public policy.

There is a difficulty in reporting ‘marital’ breakdown since the data now exclude a great many people in their 20s ( and older) who are in relationships but not married and therefore not statistically included. The increasing numbers of same-sex couples are not included either.

“The trend away from marriage among young adults is partly due to the large rise in cohabitation. At age 25 in 2006, twice as many people cohabit as are married. Cohabitation peaks at 28 years, after which marriage becomes more popular. Mostly, cohabitation appears to be a prelude to marriage, but the increase in cohabiting couples with children suggests that a minority of cohabitees may prefer continued cohabitation. “

Do any of you know whether there are 'breakup' data that combine the cohabitation and marital figures? Perhaps you feel it should remain in the private domain. I don't as it seems to treat only marriages as serious relationships where issues of supports, children and property are concerned. The Civil Partnership proposals may alter this but again not all couples will formally enter a civil partnership and continue to be invisible in the data.

Xray
24-02-2010, 03:19 PM
Yea I read the paper yesterday about it and it seemed to give no actual figures.

If living together is given legal status it will be interesting to see how many walk at that stage.

Spectabilis
24-02-2010, 03:42 PM
Legal status could not be imposed on a couple. They would have to register under the Civil Partnership proposals in orer to have the legal and finacial protections of the proposed legislation - and also, as your post suggests, the restrictions that go with them.

Xray
24-02-2010, 04:15 PM
Legal status could not be imposed on a couple. They would have to register under the Civil Partnership proposals in orer to have the legal and finacial protections of the proposed legislation - and also, as your post suggests, the restrictions that go with them.

Not quite, my understanding was that there would be some legal ramifications for couples living together also. The old "common law wife" thing.

C. Flower
28-02-2010, 12:03 AM
Couples in Ireland are caught between a society that still lauds and presents as a norm the large nuclear family with mother, father and six kids as an ideal. There is less emphasis on romantic love than in some countries I've lived in, and more emphasis on family. Perhaps that realism, and the fear of social ostracisation in a still-religious society keeps people together.

When people do break up, they can find themselves shunned by their own families.

Andrew49
17-06-2010, 08:47 AM
Legal status could not be imposed on a couple. They would have to register under the Civil Partnership proposals in orer to have the legal and finacial protections of the proposed legislation - and also, as your post suggests, the restrictions that go with them.

The country's Catholic bishops have called on the Government to support a free vote for all TDs and Senators on the Civil Partnership Bill. The bishops say the Bill seeks to undermine the constitutional protection of the family. They accused the Government of seeking to give same-sex relationships a standing 'as similar as possible to marriage' in contravention of the constitution.
Bishops say Bill undermines constitutional protection of the family (http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0617/marriage.html)

A 'free' vote would also be a way for the bishops to know how insignificant they and their church is in Ireland. Ironically two senators are supporting the bishops for a 'free' vote: John Hanafin and Jim Walsh. Senator John Hanafin and Jim Walsh are two of 16 senators who have claimed more than €200,000 in expenses since 2005, an average of more than €50,000 a year in excess of their salaries. All of them claimed at least €200,000 between 2005 and 2008, most of it in the form of travel and subsistence payments.