Vincent, please come back

[Griska]

I can't watch Vincent Browne's show lately. I keep forgetting he's on holidays and flick on at the usual time only to be disapointed.
Christ, did anybody see the show last week that dealt with celebrity? I was horrified.

[C. Flower]

Yes, very sad. Only watched it with half an eye. Have you any theory to account for quite how bad the stand-ins have been ?

[PaddyJoe]

Best thing he has done to take a few weeks off. Timely reminder that he is great old pro and it isn't easy to fill his seat:)

[disability student]

Best thing he has done to take a few weeks off. Timely reminder that he is great old pro and it isn't easy to fill his seat:)

FF didn't like him at all because of his probing at angles. They were delighted when he had to close down his beloved Magill magazine. They were celebrating with a snigger and a pint!!:D

[PaddyJoe]

Aside from any kind of partisanship I notice that the show loses a lot of zing when he's not around. Tonight Sam Smyth had three good media performers in Alex White, and...ehh FF TD from Meath or Norf Dublin...Thomas...whass his name and yer man who is a really sharp up and coming FG rebel....and I couldn't be bothered flicking on the sound because I knew it was boring....
Browne would have thrown in a hand grenade and danced on one of their heads to get them fired up::)

[PaddyJoe]

Sarah Carey is there next week. I wonder is there some kind of filter to cut TV3 for the month of August?

[Summerday Sands]

Thought it was funny tonight when Sam Smyth mistakenly introduced the FF & FG panelists as both being FG TD's & then proceeded into a discussion on what are the differences between FF & FG:D

Sarah Carey next week, she's probably been the best of a bad bunch.

Are they all getting another crack at it, hopefully not, the less of Kevin Myers & his loud apparel the better:)

[musashi]

I can't watch Vincent Browne's show lately. I keep forgetting he's on holidays and flick on at the usual time only to be disapointed.
Christ, did anybody see the show last week that dealt with celebrity? I was horrified.

Yeh that was fuppen awful; Glenda Gilson shrugging her shoulders at every subject - it was like a parody. Still a lot easier on the eyes.

[talbot77]

I can't watch Vincent Browne's show lately. I keep forgetting he's on holidays and flick on at the usual time only to be disapointed.
Christ, did anybody see the show last week that dealt with celebrity? I was horrified.

Please pray he gets drowned by a quicksand on holidays with his bloated stipend from TV3, the channel mostly respondsible for promiting the greed

[PaddyJoe]

Please pray he gets drowned by a quicksand on holidays with his bloated stipend from TV3, the channel mostly respondsible for promiting the greed

I wonder did he earn more when he was with RTE?

[musashi]

Please pray he gets drowned by a quicksand on holidays with his bloated stipend from TV3, the channel mostly respondsible for promiting the greed

http://epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bush-fail.jpg

[talbot77]

Yeh that was fuppen awful; Glenda Gilson shrugging her shoulders at every subject - it was like a parody. Still a lot easier on the eyes.

yea right, *********************** !

[talbot77]

I wonder did he earn more when he was with RTE?

Na . . . RTE know a **** , years before the subject does, thats why you are still paying your lience

[PaddyJoe]

So you are not a big fan of TV3 presenters T77?:)

[talbot77]

Yes, very sad. Only watched it with half an eye. Have you any theory to account for quite how bad the stand-ins have been ?

Yes, why would anyone with even a smidgin of intellegence want to be "tagged" with this dross

[PaddyJoe]

Any ideas on what makes a good political TV discussion programme, T77?

[talbot77]

So you are not a big fan of TV3 presenters T77?:)

PJM,of course not. Even the guy presenting the weather forcast can't even get it together to go to the toilet before he starts ! !

[talbot77]

Any ideas on what makes a good political TV discussion programme, T77?

Yes ,,,,, No.... Goddammit PJM ... you are a human being .... yea right Discuss ????????, yea right v, get your head out of your ass..... that others including politicians have placed there . . . . .

[disability student]

Any ideas on what makes a good political TV discussion programme, T77?

Ideas??? Good knowledge of political issues, coherent questions pointed at them, ability to stop the guest's waffle and draw out the answers that any presenter would want, sense of humour at times to prevent the show being bored at.

[talbot77]

Ideas??? Good knowledge of political issues, coherent questions pointed at them, ability to stop the guest's waffle and draw out the answers that any presenter would want, sense of humour at times to prevent the show being bored at.

Don't know to whom I am replying, but both of you have supplied ample proof that the politicians have shoved your heads further your ass's than is ( I don't know how to say this)

[PaddyJoe]

Yes ,,,,, No.... Goddammit PJM ... you are a human being .... yea right Discuss ????????, yea right v, get your head out of your ass..... that others including politicians have placed there . . . . .

Ok, If you want to discuss a particular political programme why not specify what you think it lacks, or conversely what its good points are?

[Slim Buddha]

Yeh that was fuppen awful; Glenda Gilson shrugging her shoulders at every subject - it was like a parody. Still a lot easier on the eyes.

Is Liam Lawlor's niece now a "celebrity"? THe country really is banjaxed.

[musashi]

Is Liam Lawlor's niece now a "celebrity"? THe country really is banjaxed.

You said it Slim.
Adios 77, happy trails.

[wickedfairy]

Please pray he gets drowned by a quicksand on holidays with his bloated stipend from TV3, the channel mostly responsible for promoting the greed

RTE gets much more from the public than TV3 via licences. At least he asks questions, not like the puppets on RTE, they have the bloated salaries. He, at least, earns his.

http://www.youlovethatsh.com/?p=876

http://kenmc.com/2007/01/10/tv-license-to-cover-internet-in-ireland/

[wickedfairy]

on that subject, does anyone know what is the breakdown on the licence, who gets what?

[electionlit]

Have really missed Vincent, the odd thing was that I thought some of the people they had in for him would be good presenters and that wasn't the case.

Isn't Charlie Bird supposed to be doing a similar show on RTE?

[eskerman]

Its the best of a bad lot when it comes to political shows and VB does provide the best "entertainment" I have more or less switched it off since VB went on his holliers. BBC Radio 4 and 7 are perfect for the cruse to the zzzzzzz.

Re-runs of Dads army on BBC 7 is a tonic for the VB slot. Good old Captain Mainwaring.

[C. Flower]

It's just coming back to me that VB was pretty wooden when he started on television.

Can't really judge someone on one or two nights. Having said that...

[DCon]

Did Vinny demand Pat Kenny/teacher or politician holidays?

[PaddyJoe]

Did Vinny demand Pat Kenny/teacher or politician holidays?

Nah, just RTE holidays;)

[TotalMayhem]

It's just coming back to me that VB was pretty wooden when he started on television.

So he was.


Can't really judge someone on one or two nights. Having said that...

Those who sit in for Vincent are threading on rather thin ice, unlike Vincent - who is more or less forgiven the very next day, should he cross a line (and where he's quite good at, which is the why many like to watch his show) - they have to be a bit more careful. after all, they want to be invited to Vincent's show in the future. :)

[C. Flower]

With Sam Smyth tonight - on the economy.


Guests on #vinb are Colm McCarthy, Margaret Ward, Brendan Keenan and Tom Lyons.

[DCon]

With Sam Smyth tonight - on the economy.

Will McCarthy detail all the tough decisions Cowen the coward could have taken?

[C. Flower]

The poor old things seem sleepy...

[C. Flower]

Sam Smyth patronising Margaret T Ward, on the banking crisis, then catches up with the fact that she worked on Wall Street for years....

[Griska]

I really don't know what to make of McCarthy. Is he really a monster or is he just there to present options? I notice he never recommends addressing the fact that there is a superwealthy class who have been relatively untouched by the current situation.

[DCon]

I really don't know what to make of McCarthy. Is he really a monster or is he just there to present options? I notice he never recommends addressing the fact that there is a superwealthy class who have been relatively untouched by the current situation.

HOW IS HE A MONSTER?

He is just an excuse board for FF. "Wasn't us - that McCrthy fella told us do it." Ignoring the fact that he was asked and paid for his advice

[Griska]

HOW IS HE A MONSTER?

He is just an excuse board for FF. "Wasn't us - that McCrthy fella told us do it." Ignoring the fact that he was asked and paid for his advice

So, he's a monster then?

[DCon]

So, he's a monster then?

The Monster would be the excuse for a government

[Griska]

That was kind of my point. The debate on a solution to our current situation is woefully narrow and really lacks imagination.
I'll hold back on my rant, but honestly, if my child wasn't about to start school, I'd be gone from this country. It's really the epitomy of capitalism. Bungled capitalism at that.

[C. Flower]

Interesting note from Sam Smyth - he said that police from the Murder Squad had been transferred into the Fraud Squad. I'd wondered how they were managing.

[C. Flower]

Talking about electricity prices tonight.

[TotalMayhem]

going up or down? :D

[Andrew49]

At least last night one of the guests was dressed for bed.

[C. Flower]

I can't abide Sarah Carey, but I have to say that imo she's the only stand in this summer who has the remotest idea how to chair a panel discussion.

[wickedfairy]

That was kind of my point. The debate on a solution to our current situation is woefully narrow and really lacks imagination.
I'll hold back on my rant, but honestly, if my child wasn't about to start school, I'd be gone from this country. It's really the epitomy of capitalism. Bungled capitalism at that.

if your child is only starting school, I would go now, lucky you, mine is just finishing.............:(

[wickedfairy]

I can't abide Sarah Carey, but I have to say that imo she's the only stand in this summer who has the remotest idea how to chair a panel discussion.

where are all the wonderful girls and boys who have done degrees in communication and media? The "talent pool" isn't glittering, is it? Scrabbling for points to get in to these courses, and for what? I don't know if you saw the Rose of Tralee last evening +1 but it was absolultely hilarious (and I don't mean that in a good way). Poor old O'Se was totally out of his depth, not the man for the job, I am afraid.

[C. Flower]

Oh dear this is worthy but dull and I'm falling asleep.

[Summerday Sands]

Oh dear this is worthy but dull and I'm falling asleep.

Derek Davis is coming with the papers, wake up:D

[PaddyJoe]

And next week is Ivan Yates. I dont know how VB is going to get the show out of the intensive care ward when he gets back. Very fluttery pulse.

[TotalMayhem]

How long is it now? 8 weeks? Some holiday the self-proclaimed Champion of the Poor and Suppressed People of Ireland is enjoying. :D

[C. Flower]

Gurdgiev and A. N. other are saying another 7 billion will have to go into Allied Irish Bank.."hoping to get the money back at some time ...if it returns to health".

You could buy the bank for 1 billion at the moment.

There's nothing to say that the 7 billion is the end of it.

[C. Flower]

Paul Sommerville is saying 38 billion.

"Alan Dukes has Stockholm Syndrome"

If you're not watching, watch this panel.

Yates says "Is Alan Dukes lying?"

Sommerville looks down and bites lip - no reply.

[Newsy]

Compulsory viewing.....

[Newsy]

greens in survival mode......

[C. Flower]

Compulsory viewing.....

Yates real or feigned shock is an effective foil to the Greek Tragedy Chorus of Independent Economists......

[Newsy]

NAMA .....12 billion LOSS.......

[C. Flower]

At last Yates asks are we facing sovereign default.

113% of GDP by 2012 - past 90-100% the economy is in a death spiral - Constantin.

"The EU will support us..." "Will have to cut more than 3 billion cuts in December"

[C. Flower]

NAMA .....12 billion LOSS.......

The bad scenario is 18 - 19 billion.

[Newsy]

At last Yates asks are we facing sovereign default.

113% of GDP by 2012 - past 90-100% the economy is in a death spiral - Constantin.

"The EU will support us..." "Will have to cut more than 3 billion cuts in December"

the sun is being slowly taken out of the sky.....

[Newsy]

The bad scenario is 18 - 19 billion.

In my head I was hearing lenihan talking about NAMA making a profit in what.....10 years....:(

What a joke.....except it ain't funny....

[Nipper]

At last Yates asks are we facing sovereign default.

113% of GDP by 2012 - past 90-100% the economy is in a death spiral - Constantin.

"The EU will support us..." "Will have to cut more than 3 billion cuts in December"

Was that Debt spiral?

[C. Flower]

Was that Debt spiral?

It was Gurdgiev, so it could have been either.

[TotalMayhem]

Vincent doesn't like him, because you never knew whether Connie said millions or billions ... but that was then, now millions aren't even worth mentioning any more.

[PaddyJoe]

Missed it but it sounds like its worth a look on catch up player tomorrow:(

[C. Flower]

Vincent doesn't like him, because you never knew whether Connie said millions or billions ... but that was then, now millions aren't even worth mentioning any more.

Do you remember the #vinb when the panel (including Vinnie and a Gov Minister) revealed that they weren't sure what a billion was. In fact the majority vote was for 100 million. :(

[TotalMayhem]

Do you remember the #vinb when the panel (including Vinnie and a Gov Minister) revealed that they weren't sure what a billion was. In fact the majority vote was for 100 million. :(

I do, but FG TD Phil Hogan is not a Gov Minister ... not yet. :D

[C. Flower]

I do, but FG TD Phil Hogan is not a Gov Minister ... not yet. :D


Who was it from FF though ?

[TotalMayhem]

Sean Connick, but i think he got it right.

Elaine Byrne was on the panel as well.

[C. Flower]

Sean Connick, but i think he got it right.

Elaine Byrne was on the panel as well.

None of them were sure enough to call it. I posted a thread here about it at the time.

It struck me particularly forcibly that at least one of them had been voting through billions in bailouts without even knowing for sure what a billion was.

Would that they had been right and it was "only" 100 million.

I have the distinct feeling that Cowen and Lenihan have no more grasp of the enormity of what they are doing than the lads on the panel.

[C. Flower]

"Will the Dail go the full term" Ivan Yates again.

[C. Flower]

Joan Burton says
"Recall the Dail"

I say "Recall the People".

[C. Flower]

Vincent is back tonight.

[antiestablishmentarian]

Vincent is back tonight.

At last!

[BrendanGalway]

He compliments all previous Hosts except Kevin Myers. Some wounds will never Heal, eh Vincenzo? :D

[musashi]

He compliments all previous Hosts except Kevin Myers. Some wounds will never Heal, eh Vincenzo? :D

Some bad blood between them?

[BrendanGalway]

Some bad blood between them?

I dont know but it would make sense. :)

[musashi]

Good to have him back.

Former finance minister of Iceland on tonight.

[TaxProtester]

Vincenzo has put his house in Dalkey on the market asking €3.25 million
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2010/0909/1224278507148_1.jpg
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/property/2010/0909/1224278507148.html

Sounds like he's got a lot of debt to clear due to the failure of Village magazine.

[TotalMayhem]

Vincenzo has put his house in Dalkey on the market asking €3.25 million

I wish him the best of luck with that ...

[C. Flower]

Serious losses on the Village Magazine - at least an honourable kind of financial decimation...

[TotalMayhem]

Serious losses on the Village Magazine - at least an honourable kind of financial decimation...

Shall we look for a base motive? :D

I think Peter Matthews is just about to bust Vincent's €3.25m bubble. ;)

[C. Flower]

Shall we look for a base motive? :D

I think Peter Matthews is just about to bust Vincent's €3.25m bubble. ;)

Vincent wasn't happy about that...


Dukes continues to be profligate with space.

[TotalMayhem]

Vincent wasn't happy about that...

He actually went pale.... he's visibly shaken by now.

If you have a house on the market and asking for €3.25m, you shouldn't ask Peter Matthews about the prospects for the Irish property market. :D

[ang]

Well Alan Dukes basically admitted that accounting rules meant he couldn't really tell us what exactly was going on with loans that he knew were worthless.

A figure of 39Billion came up as has been predicted here (http://www.politicalworld.org/showpost.php?p=62088&postcount=169)