2 million in the US About To Lose Unemployment Benefit - Extension Passed 20 July

[C. Flower]

I've been reading news that about 2 million people in the US are at the point of losing their Unemployment Insurance payments.

There have been extensions before, but this time it doesn't seem to be happening.

This article from the Huffington Post gives an idea of what this will mean for individuals and families.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-sander-/stories-from-the-unemploy_b_632748.html

[PaddyJoe]

So much for the famous green shoots. Another major issue is that individual States and cities are running out of money to budget for public services and are cutting jobs. I read today that Oakland in California is laying off 10 percent of its police force. Oakland has one of the highest rates of gun crime in the State and is expecting public unrest in the next few days if a white policeman accused of killing a black suspect is not convicted.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

This is frightenening. The average cheque for benefits is $300 a week, whats for them after that expires? It will soar the "official" unemployment record to back over 10%. The U6 will probably go over 18% and the SGS could og to 23%. This after more money has been stimulated into the economy by both monetary and fiscal methods in the past 3 years than the entire history of the USA before that including the New Deal and war efforts to stimulate the economy in the 1930s and 1940s.

All sucked away into the derivatives vortex and now real wealth from the people has to fund this.

There is an argument that to long of benefits discourages people from looking for jobs but when there are no opportunities out there, no one is at fault accept the bureaucrats who are preventing the environment for enterprise to spontaneously increase in a recovery.

[People Korps]

What happens is those people who lose benefits and cant get support from family or charity get bleed of all their pension contributions first, (rendering them pension-less), sell all their "stuff" but not so much demand for "stuff" or works out a way of making a living without a job before the above happens.
Selling drugs?

[Cáthasaigh]

http://documentaryheaven.com/collapse/

[Baron von Biffo]

Americans have this almost religious aversion to any government spending that doesn't involve weapons. They're about to discover that guns aren't very nutritious.

[Andrew49]

In Connecticut state employees are being given an extra day's (in Yankee parlance) furlough unpaid in order to save $10 million. Two more furlough days are being planned for the Friday after Thanksgiving and the Monday after Christmas - saving a further $20 million. Things are going to get tight in the USA.

[Baron von Biffo]

In Connecticut state employees are being given an extra day's (in Yankee parlance) furlough unpaid in order to save $10 million. Two more furlough days are being planned for the Friday after Thanksgiving and the Monday after Christmas - saving a further $20 million. Things are going to get tight in the USA.

The PS unions here offered 12 such days and our idiot minister for finance told them to eff off.

[TaxationIsTheft]

The PS unions here offered 12 such days and our idiot minister for finance told them to eff off.Too right. It was a terrible offer for the taxpayer. The teachers refused to take the 12 days unpaid leave, during the school holidays. The brazen neck of those public sector unions is disgusting to behold.

[Baron von Biffo]

Too right. It was a terrible offer for the taxpayer. The teachers refused to take the 12 days unpaid leave, during the school holidays. The brazen neck of those public sector unions is disgusting to behold.

Hi TBF, spreading your wings I see.

[TaxationIsTheft]

Hi TBF, spreading your wings I see.I think youre being a bit hasty there in jumping to conclusions. I always use the same usernames on different forums.

[Baron von Biffo]

i think youre being a bit hasty there in jumping to conclusions. I always use the same usernames on different forums.

;)

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[youngdan]

What happens is those people who lose benefits and cant get support from family or charity get bleed of all their pension contributions first, (rendering them pension-less), sell all their "stuff" but not so much demand for "stuff" or works out a way of making a living without a job before the above happens.
Selling drugs?

They may have to get a job PK

[Rich]

They may have to get a job PK

Because we are awash with jobs in the western world at the moment!!! We are in the middle of an almighty economic contraction that doesn't appear to show any signs of abating. There is no evidence that there is a surplus of jobs in the market. In Ireland the numbers of jobs being created is being massively outnumbered by the number being lost.

I assume you know something most everybody else does not, where all of those jobs are to be found. I for one await with anticipation for your revelation of this wondrous jobs utopia.

[youngdan]

Because we are awash with jobs in the western world at the moment!!! We are in the middle of an almighty economic contraction that doesn't appear to show any signs of abating. There is no evidence that there is a surplus of jobs in the market. In Ireland the numbers of jobs being created is being massively outnumbered by the number being lost.

I assume you know something most everybody else does not, where all of those jobs are to be found. I for one await with anticipation for your revelation of this wondrous jobs utopia.

We are speaking of the US.


Everyone who wants a job has one

[C. Flower]

We are speaking of the US.


Everyone who wants a job has one


So how come so many people have gone off the idea of working since 2006 ?


http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp

[Iolo]

We are speaking of the US.


Everyone who wants a job has one

Making the stuff you are on?

[youngdan]

Ye know of not which ye speak.

There are 25 million illegal immigrants in the US approx.

Guess how many are not working.

Here is a clue. If they were not working they would not be here.

It is called free enterprise. They work for cash. Pay nothing to the state and don't expect the state to give them a cheque either

[C. Flower]

Ye know of not which ye speak.

There are 25 million illegal immigrants in the US approx.

Guess how many are not working.

Here is a clue. If they were not working they would not be here.

It is called free enterprise. They work for cash. Pay nothing to the state and don't expect the state to give them a cheque either

Is this something you're in favour of ? It's not something new. Irish people have been in that position in Britain and in the US in large numbers.

They're employed presumably because they work for less. Do you think that cutting wages would end unemployment in the US ?

[youngdan]

For illegals there is no unemployment so all your questions are answered.

Yes

[C. Flower]

For illegals there is no unemployment so all your questions are answered.

Yes

Yes, to no minimum wage, social security, trade unions or legal rights ?

I can certainly see that owners of corporations would like this arrangement.

[youngdan]

Most illegals don't work for big corporations. That is a fallacy.

No social security, it is all stolen and gone. No minimum wage. No legalisation. Anyone that likes can form a trade union and the boss can fire them all if he wishs

[C. Flower]

Most illegals don't work for big corporations. That is a fallacy.

No social security, it is all stolen and gone. No minimum wage. No legalisation. Anyone that likes can form a trade union and the boss can fire them all if he wishs

If there are Trade Unions, they may refuse to work without Social Security.
If you were a free market capitalist, you would drop all the national borders and allow workers to migrate where they like.

[youngdan]

Maybe you don't understand social security. Everyone and their mother would opt out tomorrow if they could

[DCon]

I've been reading news that about 2 million people in the US are at the point of losing their Unemployment Insurance payments.

There have been extensions before, but this time it doesn't seem to be happening.

This article from the Huffington Post gives an idea of what this will mean for individuals and families.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-sander-/stories-from-the-unemploy_b_632748.html

An extension to November (just after the elections) was passed on Friday.

It needs to get through the Senate now.

More here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/hr-5618-extending-unemployment-benefits%E2%80%93-bad-bill

[C. Flower]

An extension to November (just after the elections) was passed on Friday.

It needs to get through the Senate now.

More here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/hr-5618-extending-unemployment-benefits%E2%80%93-bad-bill

Thanks. The economic crisis has put millions of people outside the US into poverty. We're not so used to the idea that it can happen in the US or Europe.

[youngdan]

An extension to November (just after the elections) was passed on Friday.

It needs to get through the Senate now.

More here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/hr-5618-extending-unemployment-benefits%E2%80%93-bad-bill

Even the democrat senators have had enough.

Obama is sinking the country and they are deserting him.

It is not the federal government that pays unemployment benefits.

It also has nothing to do with social security

[Sam Lord]

For illegals there is no unemployment so all your questions are answered.


How could you possibly know this .... crystal ball?

[Sam Lord]

"The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007."

I wonder why 1.5 million people went home in a year? Possibly homesick but more likely jobs in construction etc. were drying up. Unemployment? You betchya as they say ...

I will look for more recent figures and I bet the number has fallen even more.

[Sam Lord]

Just had a longer look at the above report.

One of its findings is:

While the decline began before unemployment among illegal immigrants rose, unemployment among illegal immigrants has increased dramatically and must now be playing a significant role in reducing their numbers.

[youngdan]

"The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007."

I wonder why 1.5 million people went home in a year? Possibly homesick but more likely jobs in construction etc. were drying up. Unemployment? You betchya as they say ...

I will look for more recent figures and I bet the number has fallen even more.

This is why some posters should not discuss the US.

Who do you think counts the illegals Sam

[Sam Lord]

This is why some posters should not discuss the US.

Who do you think counts the illegals Sam

Well I am pretty damn sure you have not counted them.

I am also pretty damn sure you have not interviewed them all as to their employment status.

And I am positive that you cannot direct us to any sort of study establishing that illegals working in the USA have in no way been affected by the tanking economy .... something contrary to all common sense.

But this is the youngdan school of logic. "Something is so because I say it is so." Man never walked on the moon, Obama was born in Kenya, 9-11 was a US government conspiracy, no illegal lost their job in the recession, blah blah blah .... all true because youngdan says they are true.

Some posters should not discuss any subject.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Well I am pretty damn sure you have not counted them.

I am also pretty damn sure you have not interviewed them all as to their employment status.

And I am positive that you cannot direct us to any sort of study establishing that illegals working in the USA have in no way been affected by the tanking economy .... something contrary to all common sense.

But this is the youngdan school of logic. "Something is so because I say it is so." Man never walked on the moon, Obama was born in Kenya, 9-11 was a US government conspiracy, no illegal lost their job in the recession, blah blah blah .... all true because youngdan says they are true.

Some posters should not discuss any subject.

The whole purpose of debate is that each opposing party has conviction in what they believe in. Its how a functioning democracy works. Just like in statistics the bigger the sample of opinions, theories etc the better defined the centre or mean is.

For example people who believe in the Lunar conspiracy theory are perfectly entitled to believe in that theory. Its very substantial and has a quite a lot of convincing evidence to back it up. NASA have been piss poor in denying it, so it just adds to the intrigue.

[youngdan]

Well I am pretty damn sure you have not counted them.



I am pretty damn sure NOBODY has counted them.:D:D


I am also pretty damn sure that many have lost their jobs.

I am also pretty damn sure that they got another job at sometimes very much less money.



I am also pretty damn sure that we havn't seen nothing yet

[Sam Lord]

The whole purpose of debate is that each opposing party has conviction in what they believe in. Its how a functioning democracy works. Just like in statistics the bigger the sample of opinions, theories etc the better defined the centre or mean is.


Unsure what your point is if in fact there is one.

Saying that everyone has opinions and articulates these in debate is like saying the sun rises in the morning. True but hardly worth a post.

Not sure what this has to do with democracy however. Are you saying that a country is more democratic if it has 5 wingnuts who believe the earth is flat to balance the 5 who believe that it is round. And somewhere between the two is a democratic mean? Truly bizarre...



For example people who believe in the Lunar conspiracy theory are perfectly entitled to believe in that theory. Its very substantial and has a quite a lot of convincing evidence to back it up. NASA have been piss poor in denying it, so it just adds to the intrigue.

OMG. ***Skakes head***

Maybe we should take your view on the matter and my view on the matter and arrive at the democratic consensus that NASA got half way to the moon.:):)

[Sam Lord]

I am pretty damn sure NOBODY has counted them.:D:D


I am also pretty damn sure that many have lost their jobs.

I am also pretty damn sure that they got another job at sometimes very much less money.



I am also pretty damn sure that we havn't seen nothing yet

So how do you actually know that none have no steady employment or that none have returned to their country of origin because of a lack of work in the US?

[youngdan]

Steady Employment?

You seem to be confusing day labourers and ciliv servants

[Sam Lord]

Steady Employment?

You seem to be confusing day labourers and ciliv servants

Whatever .....

What is really confusing is your assertion one minute that not a single illegal in the US is unemployed and then your assertion the next minute that no one has even counted the illegals in the USA.

If no one has even counted them how could you possibly know that they all have jobs?

[youngdan]

How else would they live.

Everyone except that guy in India needs to eat.


Face it Sam.

You know nothing about the illegals in the US

[Sam Lord]

How else would they live.

Everyone except that guy in India needs to eat.


Face it Sam.

You know nothing about the illegals in the US


Many may have gone home .... like the 1.2 million in 2008 according to the study I quoted earlier.

You, of course, will not accept this study but have nothing at all to support your assertions.

Discussing anything with you is really pointless. Youngdan says the world is flat. Really? What evidence do you have for this youndan. Well, the evidence I have is that I know all about the shape of the world and you know nothing about it ...

Oh, OK.

Duh ..

[Sam Lord]

Foxnews.com August 2008

DALLAS — Illegal immigrants are returning home to Mexico in numbers not seen for decades — and the Mexican government may have to deal with a crush on its social services and lower wages once the immigrants arrive.

The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good, especially parents who want to know what documentation they'll need to enroll their children in Mexican schools.

"Those numbers have increased percentage-wise tremendously," said Enrique Hubbard, the Mexican consul general in Dallas. "In fact, it's almost 100 percent more this year than it was the previous two years."

The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has dropped 11 percent since August of last year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Its research shows 1.3 million illegal immigrants have returned to their home countries.

Some say illegal immigrants are leaving because a soft economy has led to fewer jobs, causing many laborers to seek work elsewhere.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409221,00.html

[Sam Lord]

Here is some Department of Homeland Security research for 2009. Numbers of illegals drop for a second year. Nearly a million leave in 2009.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/11/local/la-me-immig11-2010feb11

"Illegal immigrant numbers plunge

California's number drops by 250,000, the nation's nearly 1 million. The sharpest drop in three decades renews the debate over what to do about those still here.

February 11, 2010|By Teresa Watanabe

A new report that the nation's illegal immigrant population has declined by nearly 1 million has sharpened the debate over whether to legalize those remaining or allow their numbers to shrink through attrition.

The number of illegal immigrants living in the United States dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 from 11.6 million in 2008, marking the second consecutive year of decline and the sharpest decrease in at least three decades, according to a report this week by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security."

[youngdan]

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/11/local/la-me-immig11-2010feb11

"


Only you Sam would link to an article that states the exact opposite to what you are trying to argue


"Millions of people here are good citizens and workers who pay taxes and own homes," said Father Richard Estrada of Our Lady Queen of Angels Church in Los Angeles, a self-declared sanctuary for illegal immigrants. "The reality is that they are not going back."



You are some ******:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

Only you Sam would link to an article that states the exact opposite to what you are trying to argue

"Millions of people here are good citizens and workers who pay taxes and own homes," said Father Richard Estrada of Our Lady Queen of Angels Church in Los Angeles, a self-declared sanctuary for illegal immigrants. "The reality is that they are not going back."

You are some ******:D:D:D

To recapitulate.

You came onto this thread and claimed that there was work for everyone in the States who wanted it.

When challenged on this patently absurd and ridiculous assertion you responded

"For illegals there is no unemployment so all your questions are answered."

I pointed out that illegals were affected like everyone else by the recession.

I posted links to studies showing that some millions had left the USA in 2008 and 2009.

Now you are claiming that I am wrong because there are still illegals working in the USA. This is like claiming that there is no unemployment in Ireland because many people still have jobs.

Please ...

You were caught out making stuff up about there being no unemployment amongst illegals and instead of having the brains to just admit that you were wrong you choose to stay in the hole and keep digging.

Carry on ... you are making a right spectacle of yourself. I expect it to get better.

[youngdan]

Surely even you would be aware that I might have some experience when it comes to illegals in the US.

Wise Up Sam.



You posted links that made yourself look stupid.

The article states that the illegals are not returning.



"Millions of people here are good citizens and workers who pay taxes and own homes," said Father Richard Estrada of Our Lady Queen of Angels Church in Los Angeles, a self-declared sanctuary for illegal immigrants. "The reality is that they are not going back.""

What part of that do you not understand.


Then you post figures from the Center of Immigration Studies.

Is it possible you don't know what that is.



How did these mythical 1.5 million return home. Did they fly or did they die crossing the desert like they came in.

Sam, you are a ******

[Sam Lord]

You posted links that made yourself look stupid.

The article states that the illegals are not returning.


"Millions of people here are good citizens and workers who pay taxes and own homes," said Father Richard Estrada of Our Lady Queen of Angels Church in Los Angeles, a self-declared sanctuary for illegal immigrants. "The reality is that they are not going back.""

What part of that do you not understand.



Let me remind you of the main content of the article:


The number of illegal immigrants living in the United States dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 from 11.6 million in 2008, marking the second consecutive year of decline and the sharpest decrease in at least three decades, according to a report this week by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

This is from the Department of Homeland Security who I think do more to monitor these things than youngdan stuck at his computer screen.

You completely ignore this main aspect of the article entitled "Illegal immigrant numbers plunge" and single out a single sentence at the end which indicates that not all illegals have left and that many are there to stay. But no one said that they had all left ....

The only thing that was proven was that millions have left during the recession.

Keep digging.

One of us is looking more and more stupid ... but it certainly isn't me.

The article is entitled "Illegal immigrant numbers plunge"




The article states that the illegals are not returning.




:):):)

[youngdan]

Maybe you should have read the entire article and not just the headline.

"You completely ignore this main aspect of the article entitled "Illegal immigrant numbers plunge" and single out a single sentence at the end which indicates that not all illegals have left and that many are there to stay. But no one said that they had all left ...."



Read it again you ******.

"Millions of people here are good citizens and workers who pay taxes and own homes," said Father Richard Estrada of Our Lady Queen of Angels Church in Los Angeles, a self-declared sanctuary for illegal immigrants. "The reality is that they are not going back.""

It says that NOBODY is going back.


What part of NOBODY do you not understand.


Homeland Security nor anybody else knows how many illegals there are in the US. Nobody has counted them.

Classic Fail Sam.

[Sam Lord]

It says that NOBODY is going back.


What part of NOBODY do you not understand.



Are you on gear?

The entire article is about the millions who have left over the last two years.

I really don't know what else to say.

I'm going to leave this and let people read the article for themselves.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/11/local/la-me-immig11-2010feb11

[Sam Lord]

A little bit of additional information ....

Economy forcing many Mexicans to leave United States

By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-09-Mexico-immigrants_N.htm

Immigrants in America Returning Home Because of USA Political and Economic Crisis

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/immigrants-america-returning-home-because-usa-political-and-economic-crisis

A bad sign - illegal immigrants are leaving

Illegal Immigrants Returning To Mexico For American Jobs

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/09/06/a_bad_sign___illegal_immigrants_are_leaving/

Illegal immigrants returning home in large numbers

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/073008dnmetimmig.19ccbe64.html

What about remittances ?

With USA in a recession, rural Mexico feels the pain

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-07-09-mexico_N.htm

Across Mexico, desperation is increasing among the millions of families who depend on money sent home by relatives in the United States. Those money transfers suffered an unprecedented drop in May, falling 20% — to $1.9 billion — compared to the previous year, according to the Bank of Mexico. That's because the recession has left many migrants unable to find jobs in the USA, especially in construction.


Remittances to Mexico Drop as Some Migrants in the USA get Money from Home

http://www.mexidata.info/id2343.html

Monday, July 20, 2009

Remittances to Mexico Drop as Some Migrants in the USA get Money from Home

Frontera NorteSur

For decades, money sent home by Mexicans laboring in the United States has been a key pillar of the Mexican economy. Now, scattered reports are surfacing of Mexicans sending money to support relatives in the United States hard hit by the economic crisis north of the border. Latinos, especially immigrants, are suffering a disproportionate share of the joblessness that is officially rising to engulf close to 10 percent of the overall US population.


And one could go on and on and on ...

But I am positive youngdan will not disappoint me by admitting to being wrong about something,

[youngdan]

Are you on gear?

The entire article is about the millions who have left over the last two years.

I really don't know what else to say.

I'm going to leave this and let people read the article for themselves.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/11/local/la-me-immig11-2010feb11

You are continueing to make a fool of yourself.


Do you not realise who or what the Center of Immigration Studies are:D:D:D

[youngdan]

A little bit of additional information ....

Economy forcing many Mexicans to leave United States

By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-09-Mexico-immigrants_N.htm

Immigrants in America Returning Home Because of USA Political and Economic Crisis

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/immigrants-america-returning-home-because-usa-political-and-economic-crisis

A bad sign - illegal immigrants are leaving

Illegal Immigrants Returning To Mexico For American Jobs

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/09/06/a_bad_sign___illegal_immigrants_are_leaving/

Illegal immigrants returning home in large numbers

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/073008dnmetimmig.19ccbe64.html

What about remittances ?

With USA in a recession, rural Mexico feels the pain

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-07-09-mexico_N.htm

Across Mexico, desperation is increasing among the millions of families who depend on money sent home by relatives in the United States. Those money transfers suffered an unprecedented drop in May, falling 20% — to $1.9 billion — compared to the previous year, according to the Bank of Mexico. That's because the recession has left many migrants unable to find jobs in the USA, especially in construction.


Remittances to Mexico Drop as Some Migrants in the USA get Money from Home

http://www.mexidata.info/id2343.html

Monday, July 20, 2009

Remittances to Mexico Drop as Some Migrants in the USA get Money from Home

Frontera NorteSur

For decades, money sent home by Mexicans laboring in the United States has been a key pillar of the Mexican economy. Now, scattered reports are surfacing of Mexicans sending money to support relatives in the United States hard hit by the economic crisis north of the border. Latinos, especially immigrants, are suffering a disproportionate share of the joblessness that is officially rising to engulf close to 10 percent of the overall US population.


And one could go on and on and on ...

But I am positive youngdan will not disappoint me by admitting to being wrong about something,

I seem to be dealing with an eejit who does not know what remittances are.


Of course remittances are down you fool because everyone is working for less money. A lot less money.


You are some ****** Sam

[Sam Lord]

You are continueing to make a fool of yourself.


Do you not realise who or what the Center of Immigration Studies are:D:D:D

Irrelevant as the study is done by the Dept. of Homeland security.

Where are your supporting studies by the way?

Oh sorry, you don't need any .. youngdan just knows ..:)

[Sam Lord]

I seem to be dealing with an eejit who does not know what remittances are.


Of course remittances are down you fool because everyone is working for less money. A lot less money.


You are some ****** Sam

Latinos, especially immigrants, are suffering a disproportionate share of the joblessness that is officially rising to engulf close to 10 percent of the overall US population.


I guess you missed that bit.

That's because the recession has left many migrants unable to find jobs in the USA, especially in construction.

And that bit

[Sam Lord]

And you ignored these which have nothing to do with remittances ..

Economy forcing many Mexicans to leave United States

By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...migrants_N.htm

Immigrants in America Returning Home Because of USA Political and Economic Crisis

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/immig...conomic-crisis

A bad sign - illegal immigrants are leaving

Illegal Immigrants Returning To Mexico For American Jobs

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...s_are_leaving/

Illegal immigrants returning home in large numbers

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....19ccbe64.html

[youngdan]

Irrelevant as the study is done by the Dept. of Homeland security.

Where are your supporting studies by the way?

Oh sorry, you don't need any .. youngdan just knows ..:)

Why don't you just read the links that you put up instead of making a fool of yourself.


Do you understand this

"The report estimated the size of the illegal immigrant population by comparing the total foreign-born population in the United States to the legal resident population and subtracting the difference. The report cautioned that changes made to the census survey could have affected the results."

OK, hopefully you understand that.


Now how often is the census done and when was it last done

Answer. Every 10 years and it was last done in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census


Now even you should be able to figure out that illegals do not fill out the census.


The entire story is a fabrication and it has certainly fooled you

[Sam Lord]

Why don't you just read the links that you put up instead of making a fool of yourself.


Do you understand this

"The report estimated the size of the illegal immigrant population by comparing the total foreign-born population in the United States to the legal resident population and subtracting the difference. The report cautioned that changes made to the census survey could have affected the results."

OK, hopefully you understand that.


Now how often is the census done and when was it last done

Answer. Every 10 years and it was last done in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census


Now even you should be able to figure out that illegals do not fill out the census.


The entire story is a fabrication and it has certainly fooled you

So where is your study if both the ones I have linked are wrong?

[Sam Lord]

To recapitulate:

We have an economic depression in the USA of a scale unseen since the great depression of the 1930's.

As a result we have skyrocketing unemployment and vastly decreased activity in areas where illegals traditionally worked like construction.

We have two major studies that both conclude that some millions of illegals left the USA over 2008 and 2009 (though they differ on the amount)

We have Mexican consular officials reporting to newspapers of the huge increases in people seeking to relocate back to Maxico and enquiring about schools etc.

We have Mexican sources indicating that remittances have fallen dramatically and pointing to unemployment amongst Mexicans in the USA.

We have first hand interviews with Mexicans who have moved home because of lack of work in the USA.

But youngdan would still have us believe that no illegal in the USA is unemployed and that this demonstrates that no one at all in the USA would be unemployed unless they wanted to be.

******** or wa' .... ?

[youngdan]

Sam:

You still have not figured out that the report is bogus.

The last census was in 2000. You ******. QED.

Illegals have never been counted as they are ILLEGAL. Therefore they don't step forward. Even you should have been able to figure that out.



If you wish to believe that millions of Mexicans who risked their lives crossing suddenly have returned then that is your problem

Of course remittances have dropped as wages have collapsed. QED



nOW IF YOU WANT TO

[Sam Lord]

Illegals have never been counted as they are ILLEGAL. Therefore they don't step forward. Even you should have been able to figure that out.



So EXACTLY how do you know that they all have jobs if you do not even know how many of them there are?

[Sam Lord]

Well, here at least two, Araujo and Jose Zavala ... which is one more than I need to prove your ridiculous thesis wrong.

"Three months ago, Araujo and her husband, José Zavala, were still living comfortably, though illegally, in a suburb of Phoenix. He hung drywall for $10 an hour; she was a housekeeper. Their version of the American dream was modest: a small apartment, a washing machine and an occasional night out with their two American-born kids.

Then the economic crisis hit, and work dried up. So in October, the family moved back to central Mexico's empty plains, joining a small but growing flow of migrants heading home because of the U.S. recession."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-09-Mexico-immigrants_N.htm

Please do not come back and tell me that this a part of a conspiracy and that USA today made it up and staged the photos.

[youngdan]

So EXACTLY how do you know that they all have jobs if you do not even know how many of them there are?


Because they need to eat.

Can you figure that out

[youngdan]

Well, here at least two, Araujo and Jose Zavala ... which is one more than I need to prove your ridiculous thesis wrong.

"Three months ago, Araujo and her husband, José Zavala, were still living comfortably, though illegally, in a suburb of Phoenix. He hung drywall for $10 an hour; she was a housekeeper. Their version of the American dream was modest: a small apartment, a washing machine and an occasional night out with their two American-born kids.

Then the economic crisis hit, and work dried up. So in October, the family moved back to central Mexico's empty plains, joining a small but growing flow of migrants heading home because of the U.S. recession."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-09-Mexico-immigrants_N.htm

Please do not come back and tell me that this a part of a conspiracy and that USA today made it up and staged the photos.


You Simpleton. Once again you post up an article that says the opposite to what you are saying.
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"Then the economic crisis hit, and work dried up. So in October, the family moved back to central Mexico's empty plains, joining a small but growing flow of migrants heading home because of the U.S. recession.

"It was a difficult decision," admits Araujo, 20. "We took a lot of risks to get" to America. "We miss it."

Those challenges help illustrate why most of the 11.9 million illegal immigrants that the Pew Hispanic Center estimates are residing in the USA are staying put for now. Even in bad times, U.S. salaries are still, on average, about four times higher than those across the border. The Mexican job market is flat and drug-related violence is at record highs"


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Have you figured it out yet.

Do you still think 1.5 million have swam back across the Rio Grande:D:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

You Simpleton. Once again you post up an article that says the opposite to what you are saying.
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"Then the economic crisis hit, and work dried up. So in October, the family moved back to central Mexico's empty plains, joining a small but growing flow of migrants heading home because of the U.S. recession.

"It was a difficult decision," admits Araujo, 20. "We took a lot of risks to get" to America. "We miss it."

Those challenges help illustrate why most of the 11.9 million illegal immigrants that the Pew Hispanic Center estimates are residing in the USA are staying put for now. Even in bad times, U.S. salaries are still, on average, about four times higher than those across the border. The Mexican job market is flat and drug-related violence is at record highs"


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Have you figured it out yet.

Do you still think 1.5 million have swam back across the Rio Grande:D:D:D:D

Four million could have gone back and it would still leave most in the USA. Did they not teach you the meaning of that word in low babies.

Your argument was that there was not one single illegal unemployed in the USA. You have been shown to be wrong time and time again but still keep digging.

I have no idea how that all go back ... bus, car, plane, foot ... what does it matter. If you are that interested drop Araujo and Jose a line and ask them how they got back. If they were not invented by USA Today that is ..

[Sam Lord]

Because they need to eat.

Can you figure that out

Is this your scientific survey of illegal employment in the USA. :):)

But you are correct that they do need to eat:

"As was the case with Araujo's family, most illegal immigrants lack a social safety net in the USA and could have no choice but to return to Mexico, where at least they can count on family to provide shelter and food."

[youngdan]

If you had read the article you linked you would have seen that the Mexican couple lived in PHOENIX.

Now have you figured it out.

Meanwhile read this again.

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"Then the economic crisis hit, and work dried up. So in October, the family moved back to central Mexico's empty plains, joining a small but growing flow of migrants heading home because of the U.S. recession.

"It was a difficult decision," admits Araujo, 20. "We took a lot of risks to get" to America. "We miss it."

Those challenges help illustrate why most of the 11.9 million illegal immigrants that the Pew Hispanic Center estimates are residing in the USA are staying put for now. Even in bad times, U.S. salaries are still, on average, about four times higher than those across the border. The Mexican job market is flat and drug-related violence is at record highs""

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You and your 1.5 million Mexicans are busted.


Did these 1.5 million sneak accross and nobody saw the 40000 buses.:D:D

Or was it 400000 cars.:D:D:D




Do you ever actually try to THINK

[Sam Lord]

Do you ever actually try to THINK

I do ... but not your type of thinking. Your type of thinking leads to the conclusions that the US never landed on the moon, that the UN is a front for world government, that Obama was born in Kenya, that the US government blew up the twin towers, and whatever other wackjob conspiracy theories are floating around ...

not to mention that there is not a single unemployed illegal in the USA.

I am not sure why anyone employs people with the appropriate academic qualifications to carry out expensive social science research in the USA when all they have to do is hire youngdan on the cheap to look into his heart.

US Government: We need to know roughly what percentage of illegals in the US are unemployed, Dan.

Youngdan: That's an easy one ... none.

US Government (in amazement): Not one?! How do you know this Dan? We aren't even exactly sure how many there are!

Youngdan: Easy ... they need to eat.

you couldn't make this stuff up.

[youngdan]

You have lost your argument Sam.

It is nonsense.

There has been no Census since 2000.


1.5 million people returning to Mexico would clog evevy road for months.


THINK Sam THINK

[Sam Lord]

You have lost your argument Sam.

It is nonsense.

There has been no Census since 2000.


1.5 million people returning to Mexico would clog evevy road for months.


THINK Sam THINK

I could not have lost the argument as the argument was never about the number of people returning to Mexico. it could be less that 1.5 millon for all I know. It could be more.

The argument was about whether there were any illegals unemployed in the USA or not. You asserted that there was not a single one. You have produced no evidence of this other than to say they have to eat. :) Not one shred of supporting evidence ... no study... nothing, zilch, nada ...

I have provided you with all sorts of evidence of illegals being unemployed ... even with an article about an actual couple who returned to Mexico because they were out of work.

Who has lost the argument is not in question.

[youngdan]

I could not have lost the argument as the argument was never about the number of people returning to Mexico. it could be less that 1.5 millon for all I know. .


It could be 1.5 million less.

As in a net loss of nobody.

Mexicans are streaming North. Even by boat like these yesterday

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/07/06/Feds-34-illegals-nabbed-in-SoCal/UPI-59521278474718/

Face it Sam.

You know nothing about being illegal in the US

[Sam Lord]

Mexicans are streaming North. Even by boat like these yesterday

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/07/06/Feds-34-illegals-nabbed-in-SoCal/UPI-59521278474718/



No one ever claimed that they had all stopped coming (though they are coming in drastically reduced numbers) .... so why are you posting this?

It is just one straw man after another with you.

Please post some supporting evidence that there is not a single illegal umeployed in the USA or **** ...

[youngdan]

No one ever claimed that they had all stopped coming (though they are coming in drastically reduced numbers) .... so why are you posting this?

It is just one straw man after another with you.

Please post some supporting evidence that there is not a single illegal umeployed in the USA or **** ...

You are the eejit that has been saying that there are 1.5 million less than before:D:D:D

******:p:p

[C. Flower]

I'm just watching Michael Palin interviewing guys who walked from Nigeria to Ceuta, as economic migrants trying to reach Europe. Frankly we'd be lucky to get a few of them.

[Sam Lord]

You are the eejit that has been saying that there are 1.5 million less than before:D:D:D

******:p:p

I never said that, you nutcase.

Your government (it's Department of Homeland Security) produced a study showing that large numbers of illegals had returned home in 2009. This supported other studies which I also linked for your benefit. I also linked commentaries on these studies in which this was being attributed to a combination of the tanking economy and stricter enforcement. I did this in response to your crazed assertion that not one single illegal in the US was unemployed.

Now you want to shift the argument to the numbers returning.

[youngdan]

At least you have wised up to the fact that a bogus report in the L A Times was making you look like an idiot.

You swallowed it hook line and sinker, you trout.

[Sam Lord]

Youngdan,

You lose.

There are exactly 1,423,231 illegal immigrants in the USA who are unemployed.

So there.

[Sam Lord]

At least you have wised up to the fact that a bogus report in the L A Times was making you look like an idiot.

You swallowed it hook line and sinker, you trout.

It could be correct for all I know.

I'm certainly not taking your word for anything. You think Obama was born in Kenya. :)

[youngdan]

Actually, I have never said Obama was born in Kenya, either here, on ***** or any other website anywhere..


You don't have the brainpower to converse and every time you end up looking like a fool.


Tell up about those 1500000 Mexicans who went home again:D:D:D

****** Kid:o:o

[Sam Lord]

Read this you crazed coot.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/immigrants-168135-returning-mexico.html

More Mexican immigrants returning home

From families loaded down with bags and boxes full of their possessions to towns and villages crowded with long-departed residents, one impact of the declining U.S. economy appears to be Mexican immigrants calling it quits and returning to their home country.

No definitive studies have been done, but anecdotal information and informal surveys show that both legal and illegal immigrants are returning to the relatives they left behind when they came north.

Baltazar and Adolfina Saldaa are returning to Mexico because of the troubled economy. Now, we're barely making it, he said. They have been able to send back enough money over the years to build a home in Mexico.

In the Mexican heartland of Cerrito de Agua Caliente, where many have traditionally migrated to Orange County, about a third of those who visited their families during the holidays decided to stay put, said Cuermaro City Clerk Cesar Torres.

Hundreds of miles north, at the central bus station in Tijuana, more than half of the passengers arriving on a Crucero bus line from the U.S. during a two-week period earlier this year were in the process of returning home for good, according to a passenger survey.

And, at a rental property office in Anaheim, a manager says her vacancies have spiked partly because of immigrants returning to Mexico.

"There is no work," says Baltazar Saldaa,

[youngdan]

:DHey ******, you have done it again:D:D

Read the link you eejit. It says the opposite once again.

"Some health clinics and schools in areas of heavily immigrant areas in Orange County are not reporting declines in enrollment of children of immigrants and migrants."


What is wrong with you

[Sam Lord]

:DHey ******, you have done it again:D:D

Read the link you eejit. It says the opposite once again.

"Some health clinics and schools in areas of heavily immigrant areas in Orange County are not reporting declines in enrollment of children of immigrants and migrants."


What is wrong with you

The meaning of the most simple words like some and most seem to completely escape you.

I cannot account for this.

[youngdan]

The meaning of the most simple words like some and most seem to completely escape you.

I cannot account for this.


You are shown to be an idiot as usual, take a hike.


"Some health clinics and schools in areas of heavily immigrant areas in Orange County are not reporting declines in enrollment of children of immigrants and migrants."

Where did the 1500000 that returned come from:D:D:D


****** Sam

[Sam Lord]

"Some health clinics and schools in areas of heavily immigrant areas in Orange County are not reporting declines in enrollment of children of immigrants and migrants."

Where did the 1500000 that returned come from:D:D:D



Possibly the rest of the USA leaving aside a part of Orange County (wherever that is) :):)

[youngdan]

Possibly the rest of the USA leaving aside a part of Orange County (wherever that is) :):)

Orange County is where the stupid newspaper you linked to is located.

The clue is in the name

Orange County Register:rolleyes:

Anyway.

Just accept the fact. The numbers of illegals is rising, not falling by 1.5 million.

There are illegals leaving Arizona like the couple in the article.

They are afraid of getting arrested.

They have a choice, go to another state and struggle on on even less money or go home.

There was no work at 10 dollars so they will have to work for maybe 6 dollars.

48 dollars a day.

It is of course slavery. But there is no shortage of work

[Sam Lord]

There are illegals leaving Arizona like the couple in the article.

They are afraid of getting arrested.



Funny that they said they left because there was no work. But you know that it was because they were afraid of getting arrested. You know better than they do why they left. And you probably haven't even met them!

Your powers are truly beyond all comprehension!

I thought I had coffee and toast for breakfast today ... could you confirm that or am I entirely mistaken.

[youngdan]

Read it again Sam you dummy.


I am speaking of the illegals leaving Arizona.

I am not speaking of the couple.


These illegals are leaving because of the new strict immigration law.


You ****** kid.

[Sam Lord]

On the one hand




There are illegals leaving Arizona like the couple in the article.

They are afraid of getting arrested.



On the other hand




I am speaking of the illegals leaving Arizona.

I am not speaking of the couple.

These illegals are leaving because of the new strict immigration law.



I don't think you know what you are speaking about half the time.

[Sam Lord]

.... there is no shortage of work

You are wrong.

There are exactly 1,423,231 illegal immigrants in the USA who are unemployed.

Please ask me how I know this because I am dying to tell you.

[Sam Lord]

Here is an article about a survey carried out of 522 Mexicans returning to Mexico last December for the Christmas holidays. I know youngdan will get excited at the title but I would again remind him that most and all are two different words.

28% of the 522 state that unemployment is their main problem in the USA ... but youngdan would have us believe that not one is without work.

Most Mexicans in U.S. Have No Thought of Returning Home

MEXICO CITY -- Some 54 percent of Mexicans who emigrated to the United States have no thought of returning to their native land, even though they foresee difficult times ahead because of the economic situation, according to a survey published Friday in the daily Reforma.

On the contrary, 41 percent say they are thinking of returning or know someone who is ready to do so.

The United States is home to some 12 million Mexicans, roughly half of them undocumented. More than 90 percent of Mexicans who have emigrated live in the nation to the north.

The great majority, 96 percent, of those who returned to Mexico during the Christmas holidays were on vacation, while only 2 percent came back to stay.

Of every 100 Mexicans who have emigrated to the United States, 77 believe that this year it will be harder to find work compared with 2008, and describe the crisis as grave.

Even so, 49 percent believe that things are going well or very well in the United States, while 46 percent say the situation is bad and 3 percent describe it as fair.

The economy is the United States' main problem for 47 percent, followed by unemployment for 28 percent and racism for 4 percent.



http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=324601&CategoryId=14091

[youngdan]

On the one hand



On the other hand



I don't think you know what you are speaking about half the time.

"There are illegals leaving Arizona like the couple in the article"

like the couple means

They are illegal, like the couple.

Do you understand english.



****** Kid.

[youngdan]

Here is an article about a survey carried out of 522 Mexicans returning to Mexico last December for the Christmas holidays. I know youngdan will get excited at the title but I would again remind him that most and all are two different words.

28% of the 522 state that unemployment is their main problem in the USA ... but youngdan would have us believe that not one is without work.

Most Mexicans in U.S. Have No Thought of Returning Home

MEXICO CITY -- Some 54 percent of Mexicans who emigrated to the United States have no thought of returning to their native land, even though they foresee difficult times ahead because of the economic situation, according to a survey published Friday in the daily Reforma.

On the contrary, 41 percent say they are thinking of returning or know someone who is ready to do so.

The United States is home to some 12 million Mexicans, roughly half of them undocumented. More than 90 percent of Mexicans who have emigrated live in the nation to the north.

The great majority, 96 percent, of those who returned to Mexico during the Christmas holidays were on vacation, while only 2 percent came back to stay.

Of every 100 Mexicans who have emigrated to the United States, 77 believe that this year it will be harder to find work compared with 2008, and describe the crisis as grave.

Even so, 49 percent believe that things are going well or very well in the United States, while 46 percent say the situation is bad and 3 percent describe it as fair.

The economy is the United States' main problem for 47 percent, followed by unemployment for 28 percent and racism for 4 percent.



http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=324601&CategoryId=14091

Just how stupid are you.

Do you think that people who walk accross a desert and swim the Rio Grande go home for vacation. Illegals don't go home for vacations

****** Kid

[Sam Lord]

"There are illegals leaving Arizona like the couple in the article"

like the couple means

They are illegal, like the couple.

Do you understand english.





Considerably better than you do ... now that you bring it up.

[Sam Lord]

Do you think that people who walk accross a desert and swim the Rio Grande go home for vacation. Illegals don't go home for vacations


Did someone say that the survey was of illegals? I don't know their status.

It was a survey of Mexicans going home. That is all. 28% said that they had a problem with unemployment. Even if all these are legal it still gives an insight into the situation in that community.

[youngdan]

Well you don't understand how life is for illegals in the US anyway that is for sure.

You have shown yourself to be totally clueless.


Tell us again about the 1.5 million Mexicans who went home for vacation:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

Youngdan .... meet Pedro Pablo. Pedro worked 3 days in the previous year before heading back to Guatemala.


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/US/02/10/immigrants.economy/art.pablo1.cnn.jpg


Bad economy forcing immigrants to reconsider U.S.

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Pedro Pablo slowly folds up his American flag blanket and stuffs it in his duffel bag. With it goes his American dream.
Pedro Pablo, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, headed home recently due to the bad U.S. economy.

"I left my family and lost four years with them. I will ask them to forgive me," he said.

Pablo is an illegal immigrant from Guatemala who came to the United States to support his wife and five sons back home. When he arrived, construction jobs were plentiful. Over the last year, he says, he's worked three days.

He recently boarded a bus with a one-way ticket home, paid for by the Guatemalan consulate in Los Angeles. "I thought I could get ahead here. I regret coming."

Across the United States, tens of thousands of immigrants -- those here legally and illegally -- are facing a similar dilemma: Do they continue to search for jobs in a struggling U.S. economy or return home to an even bleaker economic situation?

[Sam Lord]

Here is a CNN report on the plight of day labourers ...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/10/immigrants.economy/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

[youngdan]

Why don't you read the articles you link

Every single time you prove yourself a tool





"I'm not convinced it's a tidal wave of exodus," Valenzuela said. "There really is a fear mentality [of leaving], and as a result many immigrants are buckling down -- that is they're hiding or living in the shadows of our law. So they think more than twice about whether or not they want to go back to their country of origin, because they know very well that it's going to be extremely difficult and very expensive to come back if they want to pursue their dream."









You are just a ******

And why do you believe rubbish. Do you know how much it costs to live here for a year, and still your swallow Pedro's tale, hook line and sinker

[Sam Lord]

REGION: Illegal immigrants finding it hard to get work

For the first time since he arrived in the United States 27 years ago, Isidro Alvarado, a day laborer in Vista, says he's thinking about going home to Mexico.

Alvarado said he is finding it increasingly hard to get work here.

He's not alone.

A recent study by the Pew Hispanic Center, a research organization, reported that Latino immigrants -- legal and illegal -- have been hit hard by the nation's struggling economy, and some are returning home.

That's playing out locally. Officials with two North County day labor centers run by nonprofit agencies said they have seen a steady decline in the number of employers looking for workers.

Work is one of the main reasons why illegal immigrants such as Alvarado come to this country.

Alvarado said he resorted to standing at the corner of South Santa Fe and Escondido avenues in Vista three months ago, when he lost his job at a construction company.

He gets odd jobs from homeowners and small contractors moving furniture, landscaping and painting, he said.

"This year, it got ugly," Alvarado, 32, said. "Many people are out of work and don't even have money for presents. It doesn't even feel like Christmas."

Over the last week, he said, he has worked only one day and is struggling to make ends meet.

At about 10 a.m. Tuesday, no employer had stopped to offer work to the more than 50 men standing on the sidewalk, many of whom were illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_ccf3b090-23af-53d3-a098-299f72d0e947.html

[Sam Lord]

"In 2005, 4.5 percent of undocumented men were unemployed, compared with almost 6 percent of U.S. born workers, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated. That trend has reversed, with 6.5 percent of undocumented workers unemployed in 2008, compared with 5.6 percent of U.S. born workers, a situation that's undoubtedly worsened with the downturn. More than half the undocumented work force worked in service or construction, two sectors hit hard by the recession."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/01/93137/recession-enforcement-driving.html

[youngdan]

[quote=Sam Lord;46137]"In 2005, 4.5 percent of undocumented men were unemployed, compared with almost 6 percent of U.S. born workers, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated. That trend has reversed, with 6.5 percent of undocumented workers unemployed in 2008, compared with 5.6 percent of U.S. born workers, a situation that's undoubtedly worsened with the downturn. More than half the undocumented work force worked in service or construction, two sectors hit hard by the recession." quote Sam

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"HARRISONBURG, Va. — For 10 years, Ezequiel Gonzalez and his wife, Lupe, feared that their lives as illegal immigrants in America would be discovered.

One spring evening two years ago, it finally happened. Immigration agents detected Ezequiel working illegally at a local glass company here and ordered him deported to Mexico. Left on her own, Lupe packed up their few belongings and prepared their four children, ages 8 through 15, for the journey to a country they barely knew.

Back in their colonial town in central Mexico, the couple now struggles to support themselves.

"We would like to go back to the United States," said Lupe, 36, by telephone. "But I'm not sure it will ever be possible."



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Hey ******

Read the article before you link.

This one deals with deportations.

Did you not read even the first paragraph you *******

[Sam Lord]

Exodus of illegal immigrants deepens recession and slows recovery

The data on the US illegal immigrant population is obviously fuzzy but the best available data suggests that the number of illegal immigrants in the US declined by 1.5-2.5 million from the spring of 2007 through the first quarter of 2009. The base data is from the monthly Census Bureau Current Population Survey which counts the number of foreign born US residents. The best description and analysis of this data is at the Center for Immigration Studies (cis.org).

The substantial net exit of illegal immigrants is the sum of those who left (or failed to come) for economic reasons, those who failed to come because of better border security and those here in the spring of 2007 who left when Congress failed to enact the immigrant amnesty plan. This later group is very large and makes the cyclical drop in illegal immigrant population much larger in this recession than in earlier recessions.

The estimated decline of the illegal immigrant t population is consistent with a variety of softer data. This includes emigration estimates from the Mexican government, school enrollment and housing vacancy data in border states and remittances back to Latin America and other regions. The decline is also consistent with data on border arrests, deportations and the doubling of the use of E-Verify from 2007 to 2008 to check the citizenship status of job applicants.


http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/jim-haughey/post/exodus-of-illegal-immigrants-deepens-recession-and-slows-recovery/

[youngdan]

[QUOTE=Sam Lord;46139
The data on the US illegal immigrant population is obviously fuzzy but the best available data suggests that the number of illegal immigrants in the US declined by 1.5-2.5 million from the spring of 2007 through the first quarter of 2009. The base data is from the monthly Census Bureau Current Population Survey which counts the number of foreign born US residents.
[/QUOTE]


Go away you simpleton.

The last Census was 10 years ago:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

Many illegal immigrants heading home

April 15, 2009|Teresa Watanabe

The recession and an increase in workplace raids have forced some unauthorized workers to return to their homelands. After years of rapid growth, illegal immigration is slowing down in California.

In five years of social outreach at Our Lady Queen of Angels church in Los Angeles, Guillermo Armenta has always seen more parishioners stream into this historic haven for illegal immigrants than leave. Until now.

In the last few months, he said, nearly a dozen parishioners have told them they plan to return to their homelands because jobs in construction, restaurants and the janitorial trade have dried up here. Others say they are discouraging their relatives from coming here because of the economic slowdown and workplace immigration raids that have snared scores of unauthorized workers.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/15/nation/na-immigrants15

[Sam Lord]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=6519927

Many illegal immigrants leave U.S.

"The U.S. economic magnet that has been attracting illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries for decades is losing its pull. Instead of a continuing influx of undocumented job seekers, the economy has forced 500,000 to one million of them to turn around and go home. Others like Nicolas are on their way.

As millions of others have done, three years ago Nicolas crossed the border illegally paying a guide $2,000 for the trip. He came across with three of his male cousins. Nicolas doesn't want to be recognized.

"I was with my three cousins, but they already went back to Mexico," says Nicolas.

Three months ago 24-year-old Nicolas and his cousins lost their construction jobs. The work had helped Nicolas support his invalid father and sick mother in Chiapas, Mexico. He's the youngest of nine children.

"My parents got sick. My father has had two appendix operations that haven't gone well and my mother is very ill. That's why I came to the U.S. to help give them money," says Nicolas.

He can't afford to stay in San Francisco. He's headed back to Mexico soon to work his parents' farm.

[Sam Lord]

"In 2005, 4.5 percent of undocumented men were unemployed, compared with almost 6 percent of U.S. born workers, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated. That trend has reversed, with 6.5 percent of undocumented workers unemployed in 2008, compared with 5.6 percent of U.S. born workers, a situation that's undoubtedly worsened with the downturn. More than half the undocumented work force worked in service or construction, two sectors hit hard by the recession."


Hey ******.

Read the article before you link.

This one deals with deportations.

Did you not read even the first paragraph you toolbox

It doesn't matter what the main topic is ... it contains data which does not support your absurd assertion that not one single illegal immigrant in the USA is unemployed.

According to the study quoted in 2008 6.5% of the were.

That is a lot of people ... a lot more than not one single person.

[Sam Lord]

Go away you simpleton.

The last Census was 10 years ago:D:D:D:D:D:D

I'm sure these trained people are using accepted methodologies. I'm unsure, however, of your particular qualifications in demographics. Probably similar to your ones in rocket science and birth places.

[youngdan]

.

He can't afford to stay in San Francisco. He's headed back to Mexico soon to work his parents' farm.[/B]


Hey Simpleton Sam.

A minute ago you told us about Pedro who only worked for 3 days in the past year.

He should have moved in with him.:D:D:D:


Do you have any pictures of the 1.5 million crossing the borde going south. I hope they don't trample the guys coming north:D:D


You would believe anything I guess:D

[Sam Lord]

Hey Simpleton Sam.

A minute ago you told us about Pedro who only worked for 3 days in the past year.

He should have moved in with him.:D:D:D:


You would believe anything I guess:D

I didn't tell you. I gave you a link to a media coverage of his situation. I also provided you with links to media interviews with several other real flesh and blood people who have moved back.

You, however, think this is all made up and is some sort of media conspiracy like the moon landing. This is in line with your pathology.

[youngdan]

You are just a fool.

You linked to a guy that got deported.

DEPORTED.
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"HARRISONBURG, Va. — For 10 years, Ezequiel Gonzalez and his wife, Lupe, feared that their lives as illegal immigrants in America would be discovered.

One spring evening two years ago, it finally happened. Immigration agents detected Ezequiel working illegally at a local glass company here and ordered him deported to Mexico. Left on her own, Lupe packed up their few belongings and prepared their four children, ages 8 through 15, for the journey to a country they barely knew.

Back in their colonial town in central Mexico, the couple now struggles to support themselves.

"We would like to go back to the United States," said Lupe, 36, by telephone. "But I'm not sure it will ever be possible"

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You are just a young simpleton in Ireland yapping on a topic you know nothing about:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Andrew49]

No need for tears, but the well-off are losing their master suites and saying goodbye to their wine cellars. The housing bust that began among the working class in remote subdivisions and quickly progressed to the suburban middle class is striking the upper class in privileged enclaves like Silicon Valley. Whether it is their residence, a second home or a house bought as an investment, the rich have stopped paying the mortgage at a rate that greatly exceeds the rest of the population.

More than one in seven homeowners with loans in excess of a million dollars are seriously delinquent, according to data compiled for The New York Times by the real estate analytics firm CoreLogic. By contrast, homeowners with less lavish housing are much more likely to keep writing checks to their lender. About one in 12 mortgages below the million-dollar mark is delinquent. Though it is hard to prove, the CoreLogic data suggest that many of the well-to-do are purposely dumping their financially draining properties, just as they would any sour investment.

“The rich are different: they are more ruthless,” said Sam Khater, CoreLogic’s senior economist.

Housing Watch (http://www.housingwatch.com/2010/07/09/mortgage-defaults-more-common-among-the-wealthy/)

Biggest Defaulters on Mortgages Are the Rich (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/business/economy/09rich.html)

[Sam Lord]

In the Shadows, Day Laborers Left Homeless as Work Vanishes

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/01/02/nyregion/02laborers01/articleLarge.jpg

Carlos Ruano was down to his last $50 when his landlord kicked him out in September because he could no longer pay rent. He sent the money to his wife and children in Guatemala and spent the night riding the E train, which has a nickname among his fellow day laborers in Woodside, Queens: “hotel ambulante,” Spanish for roving hotel.

Mr. Ruano, 38, who had drawn his living from 69th Street and Broadway for six years, has been on the streets since. He and other hard-luck day laborers have slept wherever they can: in the emergency room at Elmhurst Hospital Center, in unfinished buildings abandoned by bankrupt developers and under bridges along the freight railroad tracks that slice through western Queens, where dirty mattresses and work boots lay on the rocky ground one recent morning.

“The only reason we don’t go hungry is because there are people who offer us food,” Mr. Ruano said on a snowy Saturday as he clutched a cup of soup from a group of Pentecostals feeding day laborers at a park on Woodside Avenue.

Ignacio Sanchez, 50, who has a wife and three children in Mexico, said a week before Christmas that he had worked once since the beginning of the month. Rodrigo Saldaña, 41, who has a wife and five children in Ecuador, said he had not worked at all last month. Both said they had spent nights sleeping on the train or by the railroad tracks.

“Do you want to know what the worst part is?” Mr. Saldaña said. “My wife says I’m lying when I tell her there’s no more work in New York.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/nyregion/02laborers.html

[youngdan]

"They have had to adapt just as fast as they had learned to install drywall and unclog pipes. One man said he spent 20 days picking apples at a farm near Buffalo in November to earn some cash. Others started to make do with one meal a day. Many are no longer able to send money home"

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Thank you for proving me correct Sam. Needless to say you have not read this article either.


This is a clear picture of the situation facing the illegals. They were as it reports making 200 dollars a day. When that work dried up he did what he had to do and that was pick apples for maybe 40 dollars a day.

And still Sam can not figure out why remittances are down:D:D


Still he finds that living on the street is preferable to returning home.


Face the facts Sam.


1.5 million Mexicans did not go home.:p:p:p:p

[C. Flower]

It's quite obvious that neither of you know how many stayed and how many went. I presume they don't fill in their census forms. So we're left with estimates and anecdotes.

I watched a documentary on poverty in the US a few years ago and even in the boom US wages were stagnant and Mexican wages increasing.

In Ireland, a lot of migrant workers have definitely left, as work has fallen off here. Some will stay and tough it out and some will go.

[Sam Lord]

"They have had to adapt just as fast as they had learned to install drywall and unclog pipes. One man said he spent 20 days picking apples at a farm near Buffalo in November to earn some cash. Others started to make do with one meal a day. Many are no longer able to send money home"

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Thank you for proving me correct Sam. Needless to say you have not read this article either.


This is a clear picture of the situation facing the illegals. They were as it reports making 200 dollars a day. When that work dried up he did what he had to do and that was pick apples for maybe 40 dollars a day.

And still Sam can not figure out why remittances are down:D:D


Still he finds that living on the street is preferable to returning home.


Face the facts Sam.


1.5 million Mexicans did not go home.:p:p:p:p

Unfortunately for you the argument is not about the number who have gone home.

Your ridiculous claim was that there was not one single illegal unemployed in the USA.

[Sam Lord]

It's quite obvious that neither of you know how many stayed and how many went. I presume they don't fill in their census forms. So we're left with estimates and anecdotes.


If this is your understanding of what the argument was about then you have been completely sidetracked by youngdan.

I guess there is some method in his madness.

[youngdan]

. I presume they don't fill in their census forms.


Of course they don't fill in Census forms.

But that is beside the point because there has not been a Census since 2000:D:D



Poor auld Sam with his claims of 1.5 million Mexicans having gone home has provided me with a good laugh as he usually does:D:D

When an illegal is fired he has 2 choices, starve or work for less money. Peanuts.



This will not change until the money he earns here drops to as low as in Mexico. Maybe 10 dollars a day.


Try harder next time Sam:p:p

[C. Flower]

Of course they don't fill in Census forms.

But that is beside the point because there has not been a Census since 2000:D:D



Poor auld Sam with his claims of 1.5 million Mexicans having gone home has provided me with a good laugh as he usually does:D:D

When an illegal is fired he has 2 choices, starve or work for less money. Peanuts.

This will not change until the money he earns here drops to as low as in Mexico. Maybe 10 dollars a day.


Try harder next time Sam:p:p


The "no one has left" theory doesn't convince me any more than I'm convinced that anyone knows the numbers.

What you're not seeing is that some "illegal" workers can't get work at any money.

[Sam Lord]

Of course they don't fill in Census forms.

But that is beside the point because there has not been a Census since 2000:D:D



Poor auld Sam with his claims of 1.5 million Mexicans having gone home has provided me with a good laugh as he usually does:D:D

When an illegal is fired he has 2 choices, starve or work for less money. Peanuts.



This will not chance until the money he earns here drops to as low as in Mexico. Maybe 10 dollars a day.


Try harder next tim Sam:p:p

I will spell this out slowly for you one more time as you appear to have difficulties processing.

I did not claim that 1.5 millions had gone home. I linked you to a number of studies on the subject including one carried out by the Department of Homeland Security. If you have issues with these studies take them up with the people who carried them out. I do not know if it is 1.5 million but there have certainly been many. I linked you with articles that interviewed some of these people back in Mexico who have gone home.. The studies may be flawed but they are not out to the extent of your contention that no one has gone back because of a lack of work.

I linked these studies for you as just part of a vast body of evidence that illegals in the USA have been as affected like everyone else by the economic recession and that many are no longer able to find work.

You would have us believe that no one single illegal has become unemployed as a result of the recession.

You have been unable to support this ludicrous assertion in any way shape or form and have been reduced to trying to make the issue into one of how many illegals have gone home.

But no one (apart from maybe cactus) is going to fall for that.

[youngdan]

The "no one has left" theory doesn't convince me any more than I'm convinced that anyone knows the numbers.

What you're not seeing is that some "illegal" workers can't get work at any money.

It is not a case of no one has left. They are streaming accoss the border every night heading north and the number of illegals is rising.


Illegals can't get work at 200 dollars a day. Neither can anyone else.

Plenty of work at 20 dollars a day though.

[C. Flower]

I will spell this out slowly for you one more time as you appear to have difficulties processing.

I did not claim that 1.5 millions had gone home. I linked you to a number of studies on the subject including one carried out by the Department of Homeland Security. If you have issues with these studies take them up with the people who carried them out. I do not know if it is 1.5 million but there have certainly been many. I linked you with articles that interviewed some of these people back in Mexico who have gone home.. The studies may be flawed but they are not out to the extent of your contention that no one has gone back because of a lack of work.

I linked these studies for you as just part of a vast body of evidence that illegals in the USA have been as affected like everyone else by the economic recession and that many are no longer able to find work.

You would have us believe that no one single illegal has become unemployed as a result of the recession.

You have been unable to support this ludicrous assertion in any way shape or form and have been reduced to trying to make the issue into one of how many illegals have gone home.

But no one (apart from maybe cactus) is going to fall for that.


The "no one has left" theory doesn't convince me any more than I'm convinced that anyone knows the numbers.

What you're not seeing is that some "illegal" workers can't get work at any money.

Somehow, I don't think so.



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[youngdan]

.

I did not claim that 1.5 millions had gone home.

Hey Sam.

There is only 2 of us talking.

I said a net zero had returned.

That only leaves you arguing the opposite with your 1.5 million:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

They are streaming accoss the border every night heading north and the number of illegals is rising.




Can you provided some evidence to support this as it is entirely contrary to what everyone studying the matter is saying?

[youngdan]

Exodus of illegal immigrants deepens recession and slows recovery

The data on the US illegal immigrant population is obviously fuzzy but the best available data suggests that the number of illegal immigrants in the US declined by 1.5-2.5 million from the spring of 2007 through the first quarter of 2009. ]



Why should I bother with you Sam.

When completely beaten you say


"I did not claim that 1.5 millions had gone home"

Shame on you.


I am too intelligent for you:p:p:p:p

[Sam Lord]

Why should I bother with you Sam.

When completely beaten you say


"I did not claim that 1.5 millions had gone home"

Shame on you.


I am too intelligent for you:p:p:p:p

you are not quoting me ... you are quoting someone else you crazy old coot.

Anyone who believes that the NASA moon landing was staged, that the US government was behind the attacks on the twin towers, that global warming is a hoax, that the UN is a front for an elite group bent on "world domination", that Obama is hiding his birth certificate for sinister reasons, and that not a single illegal immigrant in the USA is unemployed is clearly more intelligent than 99.99% of humanity.

I look forward to your views on how Reptilian humanoids control us all.

[youngdan]

A little bit of additional information ....

Economy forcing many Mexicans to leave United States

By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-09-Mexico-immigrants_N.htm

Immigrants in America Returning Home Because of USA Political and Economic Crisis

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/immigrants-america-returning-home-because-usa-political-and-economic-crisis

A bad sign - illegal immigrants are leaving

Illegal Immigrants Returning To Mexico For American Jobs

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/09/06/a_bad_sign___illegal_immigrants_are_leaving/

Illegal immigrants returning home in large numbers

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/073008dnmetimmig.19ccbe64.html

What about remittances ?

With USA in a recession, rural Mexico feels the pain

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-07-09-mexico_N.htm

Across Mexico, desperation is increasing among the millions of families who depend on money sent home by relatives in the United States. Those money transfers suffered an unprecedented drop in May, falling 20% — to $1.9 billion — compared to the previous year, according to the Bank of Mexico. That's because the recession has left many migrants unable to find jobs in the USA, especially in construction.


Remittances to Mexico Drop as Some Migrants in the USA get Money from Home

http://www.mexidata.info/id2343.html

Monday, July 20, 2009

Remittances to Mexico Drop as Some Migrants in the USA get Money from Home

Frontera NorteSur

For decades, money sent home by Mexicans laboring in the United States has been a key pillar of the Mexican economy. Now, scattered reports are surfacing of Mexicans sending money to support relatives in the United States hard hit by the economic crisis north of the border. Latinos, especially immigrants, are suffering a disproportionate share of the joblessness that is officially rising to engulf close to 10 percent of the overall US population.


And one could go on and on and on ...

But I am positive youngdan will not disappoint me by admitting to being wrong about something,



There must be 2 Sams. This one is claiming 1.5 million went home.

Classic Fail Sam.

Even worse than your usual flops as you resort to lying. Shame on you




Face it Sam, I am far too intelligent to bother with you:p:p:p:p:p:p

[Sam Lord]

Face it Sam, I am far too intelligent to bother with you ..

:):):) ... after having posted on page after page in response to me on this thread alone.

[Sam Lord]

So gainfully employed that they are living in the woods ...

"A dozen Latino day laborers living in the woods of Huntington Station can’t stay in the local county’s long-term emergency housing because they are undocumented.

Suffolk County officials said the legal status of the men living in tents in the woods of Huntington Station makes them ineligible for county housing.

Department of Social Services Deputy Commissioner Ed Hernandez says the state doesn’t reimburse the county for housing undocumented immigrants.

In recent days, the temperatures have plummeted on Long Island. On Friday, the high was about 32 degrees.

Hernandez says he doesn’t know where the men should live.

One of them, Nino Bonilla, says a tent in the woods is his only option."

http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/01/09/homeless-immigrants-stay-in-huntington-station-woods/

Plenty of work for everyone in the USA says youngdan. Look at the illegals ... not one of them are unemployed according to youngdan.

[Sam Lord]

What happens is those people who lose benefits and cant get support from family or charity get bleed of all their pension contributions first, (rendering them pension-less), sell all their "stuff" but not so much demand for "stuff" or works out a way of making a living without a job before the above happens.
Selling drugs?

Youngdan responds


They may have to get a job PK

Rich says


Because we are awash with jobs in the western world at the moment!!! We are in the middle of an almighty economic contraction that doesn't appear to show any signs of abating. There is no evidence that there is a surplus of jobs in the market. In Ireland the numbers of jobs being created is being massively outnumbered by the number being lost.

Youngdan says


We are speaking of the US.
Everyone who wants a job has one

Iolo says


Making the stuff you are on?

Youngdan says


Ye know of not which ye speak.
There are 25 million illegal immigrants in the US approx.
Guess how many are not working.
Here is a clue. If they were not working they would not be here.

So according to youngdan living in the woods in some sort of tent, finding the odd days work at $20 a day, and depending on charities for food is having employment. This is the route he recommends for the American people. Do not whinge about being employed he says ... there is plenty of work .. look at the illegals. His studied opinion on the plight of American working people is they may have to get a job. And Everyone who wants a job has one.

In my humble opinion the working people of the US should pack youngdans sorry ass off on the first boat back to Ireland ... having given him a good beating first and stripped him of all his possessions.

Then he could set himself up here and tell the unemployed in Ireland that there are no end of jobs.

[youngdan]

I am having a good laugh at you Sam.

You started off by saying 1.5 million illegals went back to Mexico and enrolled their kids in school. Now you say they are homeless and living in the woods:D:D:

Which is it Sam.

You know nothing about the US. If the illegals have to work for 20 dollars a day then that is what they will do. End of story.

That is reality in the US today.

Face it Sam, I am too intelligent for you:D::p:p:p

[Sam Lord]

You started off by saying 1.5 million illegals went back to Mexico and enrolled their kids in school. Now you say they are homeless and living in the woods:D:D:

Which is it Sam.



I doesn't have to be either but then logic has never been your strong suit.

As we started off with some 12 million according to accepted studies (25 million according to you) then even if 1.5 million went home than would still leave 10.5 million (23.5 million by your made up figures). Some of these are clearly homeless and living in all sorts of places.

There is no point telling me that I know nothing about the US. You should be telling this to all the illegals who are saying that they cannot find work, that they have worked one or two days in the last three months, that they are going to go home etc. Tell them that there is plenty of work. You obviously know the situation better than they do.

If they ask you for proof of this tell them that you are clearly more intelligent than them and do not need to provide any.

[Sam Lord]

I am having a good laugh at you Sam.




And the rest of the site is laughing at you ....:):)

[youngdan]

Why should I bother with you Sam.

When completely beaten you say

"I did not claim that 1.5 millions had gone home"



Shame on you.


I am too intelligent for you:p:p:p:p



Hey Sam, time for a clarification.

Did you say 1.5 million went home

or

Did you say 1.5 million are homeless

or

Did you say neither,

"I did not claim that 1.5 millions had gone home"





Here is the reality Sam

The illegals are still coming. They are driven by desperation.

The illegals are working for 20 dollars a day. They are driven by desperation.


You should come back here as an illegal and you might know what you were talking about.

Try harder next time Sam:D:D

[Sam Lord]

And the rest of the site is laughing at you ....:):)

:):):)

[moss]

:):):)

Pathetic and expected.

Why try and be smart when you can be pedictable and boring.

You're on the wrong road sambo

[youngdan]

Just tell us again about the 1.5 million illegals who went home. Are they the same 1.5 million that are homeless.


You know the ones.

The ones you didn't claim were gone home:D:


Hey Sam. Come on out for a month. I will give you a job and you can be illegal for a few weeks:D:D


You may not be worth much but you might learn how the illegals live:eek:

[Sam Lord]

Just tell us again about the 1.5 million illegals who went home. Are they the same 1.5 million that are homeless.




The ones who are homeless in the USA are obviously not the same as the ones who have gone home.

How thick are you?

Here is yet another article on Mexicans going home because of lack of work in the US.

https://ieonline.microsoft.com/#ieslice

Migrants struggling for work in Texas return to Mexico as a burden

Teresa Cadena Moreno, 34, the mayor's delegate in this farming community of 5,000 people in central Guanajuato state, has noticed a troubling trend over the past few months. With the slowdown in the U.S. economy, she is seeing a rising number of expatriates returning home. They're not coming just for a Christmas visit or town celebration, but with every intention of staying permanently. And that has the town in a bind.

In the third quarter of 2009, the Mexican government recorded an unusual trend: 108,078 emigrants returned home to stay, up 30 percent from 2008. The trend was expected to continue through the fourth quarter, though those numbers haven't been released yet.

Jesús Ramírez Ramírez, 42, worked in construction throughout the southeastern United States but returned home last year when work became scarce. Now he sells corn on the cob for 10 pesos, about 90 cents, each.

"There's not much work here either. ... I'd like to go back, but it's hard," he said, pointing to one of his seven children.

And the returning emigrants add to the strain on the community, Cadena said.

"We don't have enough room in our schools, much less bilingual teachers, as some students arrive speaking English, and they can't fit in," she said.

[Sam Lord]

More examples:

Reversing course for survival

As jobs in the U.S. dry up, immigrants return home to work for a fraction of the pay — and many never leave Mexico at all

One of those trying to survive is Jose Guerrero, who has returned to his village near the Querétaro state line. After losing his job last year in the U.S., he now has plenty of time to ride his horse along dusty streets on the slopes of a dramatic mountain valley.

The 32-year-old former welder spoke of pressures he faces after he and 300 workers building a power plant in Kansas were laid off in December. He was making $28 an hour. Since coming home to his wife and five young children, he’s been unable to land a job.

“There are a lot of people who have come back because there is no work” in the U.S., said Guerrero, who entered the U.S. illegally. “They are waiting to see if there is a solution, but who knows?”

Jose Hernandez Moncada left Texas because of the economic slowdown. The 31-year-old spent 12 years working on an East Texas ranch.

“I came back because I earned so little I couldn’t support myself there, or maintain my family here,” said Moncada , as he proudly watched his daughter’s First Communion in the village of Laguna Escondida.

For many, especially younger Mexican workers like Roberto Carlos Rodriguez, the anemic U.S. economy ended hopes of financing a better life back home.

Rodriguez, 20, who hasn’t found work in San Luis Potosí, came home after he was laid off from his job at a large dairy in Kansas.

“My dream over there was to be able to build my own house here, but it was very difficult,” Rodriguez said. “You go north to follow a dream, and you end up back here broke.”

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/6348003.html

[youngdan]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/6348003.html


I do not believe it. Once again the story you link to makes you look like an idiot. This is the first words of the article

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"A few miles outside this Mexican resort city, Jose Nicolas Pichardo laid the stone foundation of a new store.

The 56-year-old is glad to have the job, but he makes a fraction of the $11 an hour he earned in Texas.

“I was working in Houston doing stonework like here, but at apartments,” said Pichardo, whose 22-year-old son still lives in Houston. “What they pay me here — 200 pesos a day — I earned in two hours in Houston.”

Pichardo said he is not likely to make the dangerous journey to cross the Texas-Mexico border since he has restarted his life in his home state of Guanajuato. He returned home in September 2007 after an arrest on immigration charges, and now can’t afford the expensive smuggling fees to cross the border. He’s also heard work is increasingly scarce."

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Hey Sam, you silly Irish kid. This lad was deported in 2007.
His son is still in Texas.


Do you know what deported means:D:D





Just go away Sam. I am afraid you are not the brightest:D:D:p:p

[Sam Lord]

I do not believe it. Once again the story you link to makes you look like an idiot. This is the first words of the article

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"A few miles outside this Mexican resort city, Jose Nicolas Pichardo laid the stone foundation of a new store.

The 56-year-old is glad to have the job, but he makes a fraction of the $11 an hour he earned in Texas.

“I was working in Houston doing stonework like here, but at apartments,” said Pichardo, whose 22-year-old son still lives in Houston. “What they pay me here — 200 pesos a day — I earned in two hours in Houston.”

Pichardo said he is not likely to make the dangerous journey to cross the Texas-Mexico border since he has restarted his life in his home state of Guanajuato. He returned home in September 2007 after an arrest on immigration charges, and now can’t afford the expensive smuggling fees to cross the border. He’s also heard work is increasingly scarce."

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Hey Sam, you silly Irish kid. This lad was deported in 2007.
His son is still in Texas.

Do you know what deported means:D:D

Just go away Sam. I am afraid you are not the brightest:D:D:p:p

This guy was deported, indeed. So what. No one ever claimed that people are not deported from the USA. They are deported all the time.

The article, however, also deals with 3 other guys who clearly state that they left voluntarily because they could not find work. How could you fail to notice this? It is the bulk of the article .....

According to you not one single illegal in the USA is unemployed.

Well, there are three more to add to all the others I have demonstrated to you.

[youngdan]

This guy was deported, indeed. So what. No one ever claimed that people are not deported from the USA. They are deported all the time.

The article, however, also deals with 3 other guys who clearly state that they left voluntarily because they could not find work. How could you fail to notice this? It is the bulk of the article .....

.

You silly little Irish kid. Stop making a fool of yourself. You say that the other 3 left voluntarily, as you say yourself HOW COULD YOU FAIL TO NOTICE THIS?




"Ramirez, 42, said he was deported last Christmas Eve when agents caught him hiking through the South Texas brush country after he swam the Rio Grande. He had come home after his hours were cut by a home builder in Tyler."

That is 2 out of the four who say they were deported:D


Read the article you linked to, ya silly Irish ******:D:D:p:p

Keep digging:D

[Sam Lord]

I said that the article refers to three men who returned voluntarily because of lack of work. These are the three:

Jose Guerrero who has returned to his village near the Querétaro state line after losing his job last year in the U.S

Jose Hernandez Moncada left Texas because of the economic slowdown. The 31-year-old spent 12 years working on an East Texas ranch.

Roberto Carlos Rodriguez, 20, came home after he was laid off from his job at a large dairy in Kansas.

The journalist also notes, "it is .. easy to find Mexican workers who have given up and returned home, especially in the heartland states of Guanajuato, San Luis Potosí, Querétaro and Michoacán."

The journalist, who actually went to Mexico to look unlike yourself who never leaves the keyboard, finds it easy to find workers who have given up and returned home.

But according to you not even one such person exists.

[youngdan]

That leaves 1,499997 to go.

Why don't you read the article you fool.

Here is Jose Guerrero's story


"The 32-year-old former welder spoke of pressures he faces after he and 300 workers building a power plant in Kansas were laid off in December. He was making $28 an hour. Since coming home to his wife and five young children, he’s been unable to land a job"

So this illegal was earning about 60000 dollars a year. He was laid off and just jumped on a bus and returned to Mexico to earn zero. He never got a job paying, 15 or 12 or 9 ar 5 dollars an hour. He just packed his bag and left:D:D










You are a joke to the site Sam. You would believe anything:rolleyes:


Does anyone else on the entire site believe the crap Sam is peddling about 1.5 million Mexicans returning.


We will see who agrees with you Sam:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

That leaves 1,499997 to go.

Why don't you read the article you fool.

Here is Jose Guerrero's story

"The 32-year-old former welder spoke of pressures he faces after he and 300 workers building a power plant in Kansas were laid off in December. He was making $28 an hour. Since coming home to his wife and five young children, he’s been unable to land a job"

So this illegal was earning about 60000 dollars a year. He was laid off and just jumped on a bus and returned to Mexico to earn zero. He never got a job paying, 15 or 12 or 9 ar 5 dollars an hour. He just packed his bag and left:D:D


You are a joke to the site Sam. You would believe anything:rolleyes:


Does anyone else on the entire site believe the crap Sam is peddling about 1.5 million Mexicans returning.


We will see who agrees with you Sam:D:D:D

I don't know that it is 1.5 million. It is your department of Homeland Security which released a study this February stating that "the number of illegal immigrants living in the United States dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 from 11.6 million in 2008, marking the second consecutive year of decline and the sharpest decrease in at least three decades."

If you have a problem with their figure take it up with them.

I do know that all the evidence available shows conclusively that many have gone home.

I am curious if you think the people being interviewed in the many newspaper articles are all lying when they say they could find no work in the US ... or if you think that the newspapers are making these people up.

This could be the greatest of your many conspiracy theories.

[youngdan]

I don't know that it is 1.5 million.


I do know that all the evidence available shows conclusively that many have gone home.




You silly Irish yahoo.

Read the bloody article you linked to and even you should be able to figure it out.


"U.S. Border Patrol says apprehensions of immigrants along the Southwest border are declining due to tougher enforcement, the border fence and better surveillance technology. The 705,000 arrested in fiscal 2008 were the fewest in five years."


Can you figure it out now.

Stop digging ******.


Nobody has come on agreeing with you yet kid:D:D:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

You silly Irish yahoo.

Read the bloody article you linked to and even you should be able to figure it out.

"U.S. Border Patrol says apprehensions of immigrants along the Southwest border are declining due to tougher enforcement, the border fence and better surveillance technology. The 705,000 arrested in fiscal 2008 were the fewest in five years."

Can you figure it out now.



I never disputed that there are fewer illegals coming in. It is clear that there are. You are the one who earlier in the thread seemed to disagree with this. So at least you are becoming a little bit better informed. It is not only enforcement, however, resulting in fewer coming but word that the jobs have dried up.

Fewer illegals coming in would not result in a declining illegal population if many were not also leaving. This point is made in the article:

"The Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates reduced immigration, is convinced the undocumented population is declining.

“A lot of it has to be people going home,” said Mark Krikorian, the center’s executive director. “If all the illegals stayed home, and not that many came in, how could the population have gone down? They aren’t dying — it has to be that a significant number of illegals have gone home.”

[youngdan]

I'm going to leave this and let people read the article for themselves.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/11/local/la-me-immig11-2010feb11



Too bad you did not read the article yourself you ******.


"Meanwhile, the U.S. government has stepped up removal of illegal immigrants, to 387,790 in fiscal 2009 from 291,060 in 2007."



They were deported you clown:D:D

387790 went home because they had no choice:D:D


You continue to make a fool of yourself Sam. Stop digging and accept your beating. Move On.

BTW, nobody agrees with you:D:D

[Sam Lord]

Too bad you did not read the article yourself you ******.


"Meanwhile, the U.S. government has stepped up removal of illegal immigrants, to 387,790 in fiscal 2009 from 291,060 in 2007."



They were deported you clown:D:D

387790 went home because they had no choice:D:D


You continue to make a fool of yourself Sam. Stop digging and accept your beating. Move On.

BTW, nobody agrees with you:D:D

I actually did read the article.

And I read this in it:

Homeland Security department spokesman Matthew Chandler attributed the decline both to the weak economy and what he called the deployment of "unprecedented resources" in stopping illegal immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border and throughout the country.

So you being selective in what you quote will not cut the mustard. Not even the responsible government department is claiming that it is their efforts alone causing the decline but also "the weak economy".

Everyone knows that they deport hundreds of thousands every year. But when you take into account the numbers still coming it does not even come close to accounting for the large drop in the overall number. Before the economy tanked they were deporting loads but the overall number still skyrocketed year after year. So something has changed. It is the economy, stupid.

Of course, the proof of the pudding is all the interviews with people who have actually gone back because they had no work. I notice you are avoiding the question of whether they are all lying or whether the media is making these stories up.

[Sam Lord]

BTW, nobody agrees with you:D:D

Did you take a poll ?

Or do you know this the same way that you know that there is not a single illegal in the USA who cannot find work?

Through the youngdan antenna ..... probably an old set of TV rabbit ears you have sitting on top of your head.

[youngdan]

But when you take into account the numbers still coming it does not even come close to accounting for the large drop in the overall number.

Give it up you fool. Why would they still be coming if 1.5 million went home because there was no work.

Did they not ask them any questions when they met them crossing the border going in the opposite direction:D:D:D:D


It is bogus you fool. Nobody has counted the illegals as there has not been a Census in 10 years and illegals don't fill out forms anyway.



You have swallowed this **** and bull story hook line and sinker.


Wise Up ya ******:p:p

[youngdan]

Nobody has posted that they agree with you yet:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Sam Lord]

Give it up you fool. Why would they still be coming if 1.5 million went home because there was no work.

Did they not ask them any questions when they met them crossing the border going in the opposite direction:D:D:D:D



I think the problem might be that this is a little bit too complex for you ...even though it is pretty straightforward. One or two variables too many to keep in mind.

[youngdan]

The problem is you have made yourself look like a fool

[Sam Lord]

Immigrant exodus: Lack of jobs has Mexicans headed home
Fayetteville Observer ^ | May 24, 2010 | Francis X. Gilpin


Arizona officials say they are overrun with Mexicans. In Hoke County, though, Mexicans seem to be heading home - and some business owners miss them.

Raeford mobile home park owner Isidoro Basurto said scores of Mexican families have re-crossed the border in the past year, resigned to tougher immigration enforcement and a bad economy north of the Rio Grande.

"I can tell you, 99 percent of the people that move from this mobile home park, they go back to Mexico," Basurto said.

The Mexican departures may be subtly reshaping the demographics of Hoke County and other North Carolina communities where, until recently, Hispanic immigrants were recruited for demanding but low-wage jobs in farm fields and meat-packing plants - jobs that Americans have shunned.

Business owners who cater to Hispanics bemoan the slumping sales that have followed the sad farewells of customers.

"They usually come by and say bye," said Raeford mobile-phone retailer Xiomara Ruckel, who sells 80 percent of her calling plans to Spanish-speaking people.

El Ranchero, a Mexican grocery store in Lumberton, used to be a well-known spot for immigrants to find anything from fresh produce to the latest Mexican music CDs.

Now it's the place to buy a one-way ticket back to Mexico - with buses departing seven days a week.

"Nobody wants to give us steady work," Dagoberto Garcia said in Spanish as he waited with four other men under the shade of an awning. "For many years, places like the meat-processing plants and farms welcomed us with open arms. Today, they won't even let us on the premises to apply for work.

"I'm going home and coming back when it gets better."

Store owner Enrique Mendoza said the lack of work for undocumented immigrants at the meat plants owned by Mountaire Farms LLC, House of Raeford Farms Inc. and Smithfield Foods Inc. has made it impossible for the men to stay.

[youngdan]

Immigrant exodus: Lack of jobs has Mexicans headed home
Fayetteville Observer ^ | May 24, 2010 | Francis X. Gilpin


Arizona officials say they are overrun with Mexicans. In Hoke County, though, Mexicans seem to be heading home - and some business owners miss them.




I do not believe it. Just when I thought you could not look any more idiotic.

Hey ******. Hello.

The Arizona Immigration Law.

Hello


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us/politics/24immig.html

This is the biggest issue in the country and you don't seem to know about it:D:D:D:D

Hello


Stop digging ******

[Sam Lord]

I do not believe it. Just when I thought you could not look any more idiotic.

Hey ******. Hello.

The Arizona Immigration Law.

Hello


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us/politics/24immig.html

This is the biggest issue in the country and you don't seem to know about it:D:D:D:D

Hello


Stop digging ******

I know about the Arizona Immigration Law but I also noted from the article that these workers are not relocating to other states where the Arizona Immigration Law is not in place but are taking the buses right back to Mexico.

I wonder why? Any ideas on your part? There may be a hint in what the mobile home park owner (who appeared to be in contact with these workers on a daily basis) had to say:

Raeford mobile home park owner Isidoro Basurto said scores of Mexican families have re-crossed the border in the past year, resigned to tougher immigration enforcement and a bad economy north of the Rio Grande.

"I can tell you, 99 percent of the people that move from this mobile home park, they go back to Mexico," Basurto said.

But you think there are jobs for everyone who wants one.

Hmmmmm

[Sam Lord]

Nobody has posted that they agree with you yet:D:D:D:D:D:D

That nobody has posted that they agree with me is not the same as nobody agreeing with me .... your original assertion.

There must be a University in Boston that has an introduction to Elementary Symbolic Logic course that you could take. If you succeeded with even a first year level course it would improve our discussions.

[youngdan]

I know about the Arizona Immigration Law


Sure you did.

That is why you ended up looking like an idiot:D:D:D:p:p:p

[C. Flower]

Sure you did.

That is why you ended up looking like an idiot:D:D:D:p:p:p

Hmm. That's a thick coating of smilies, youngdan.

"Steven Colbert tries to take job from illegal immigrant"

http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0712/Stephen-Colbert-tries-to-take-job-from-illegal-immigrant


The host of Comedy Central's "Colbert Report" teamed up Thursday night with Arturo Rodriguez, the president of the United Farm Workers of America, in a challenge to unemployed Americans: Come on, take our jobs.



The union has been asking Americans to fill out an online form under the banner "I want to be a farm worker" at www.takeourjobs.org (http://www.takeourjobs.org/).
Rodriguez says that so far just three have responded and were in the fields.
"Make that four," the comedian replied emphatically.
The U.S. Labor Department says more than half of farm workers are illegal immigrants. The UFW argues they're not taking jobs from Americans because most don't want the work.
Proponents of tougher immigration laws respond that the problem with the UFW's proposition is that growers don't want to raise wages and improve working conditions enough to attract Americans


Immigrant populations depress wage levels mainly because they are prepared to put up with very poor living conditions (which they hope will be temporary) "to get their feet through the door".

There seem to be 8 million people unemployed in the US, and rising.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0701/breaking47.html

If all the illegal immigrants in the US left (and why would they all?), the impact on the economy would be deflationary: it certainly wouldn't result in automatic full employment for US citizens.

[youngdan]

If all the illegal immigrants in the US left (and why would they all?), the impact on the economy would be deflationary: it certainly wouldn't result in automatic full employment for US citizens.

You are of course 100% wrong. If the illegals just vanished into thin air it would be inflationary.



But why would an illegal leave voluntarily. The pay in Mexico is 200 pesos a day if they can can get a job according to one of these articles.

So as long as they can get 16 dollars a day they will stay.

End of story.

Hopefully Sam has realised what a fool he made himself look and will stay away from this thread

[Sam Lord]

Hopefully Sam has realised what a fool he made himself look and will stay away from this thread


Very little chance of that ... but keep hoping .. :):)

[Sam Lord]

U.S. Workers Crowding Out Immigrant Laborers

By MIRIAM JORDAN

LOS ANGELES -- A year ago, a day-laborer center adjacent to a Home Depot here teemed with Latin American immigrants who showed up and found a sure day's work painting, gardening or hauling.

These days, more than immigrants are packing the Hollywood Community Job Center: Unemployed Americans are joining them. There's little work for anybody.

"Everybody is coming to look for work," says Rene Jemio, outreach coordinator for the hiring hall. "It's not just your average immigrant anymore; it's African-Americans and whites, too."

For the first time in a decade, unskilled immigrants are competing with Americans for work. And evidence is emerging that tens of thousands of Hispanic immigrants are withdrawing from the labor market as U.S. workers crowd them out of potential jobs. At least some of the foreigners are returning home.

At the Hollywood center, even a year ago, contractors and homeowners employed 30 to 40 workers each day. Now, it isn't unusual for only three or four to get hired, organizers say.

[......]

In Houston, where post-hurricane cleanup work is drying up, "the situation is getting more difficult by the day," says Salvador Perez, a 45-year-old Mexican day laborer who has been in the U.S. since 2003. "I like this country for the work opportunity, but now I can barely scrape together a few dollars to send home to my family after paying for rent and food."

Latin American workers bore the brunt of the collapse of the construction sector, which employs 20% to 30% of all foreign-born Hispanics in this country. As the housing market tumbled last year, they lost jobs in ever-greater numbers.

Competition has become fierce even in agriculture, where farmers had struggled in recent years to hire enough immigrants to harvest crops, sometimes letting fruit wither on the vine.

Growers across the country are reporting that farmhands are plentiful; in fact, they are turning down potential field workers. "For the first time since 9/11, we have applicants in excess of our requirements," says Bob Gray, chief executive of Duda Farm Fresh Foods Inc., a grower, packer and shipper based in Salinas, Calif.

In particular, Mr. Gray has observed an influx of U.S.-born Latinos and other workers who previously shunned field work. "These are domestic workers who appear to be displacing immigrants," says Mr. Gray.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=6574

[Sam Lord]

Unemployed U.S.-born workers seek day-labor jobs

Growing ranks of U.S. citizens are heading to street corners and home improvement store parking lots to find day-labor work usually done by illegal immigrants.

..........


Valenzuela estimates the proportion of U.S.-born day laborers has at least doubled since he released a report in 2006, when his research showed they made up 7% of the day-labor workforce. At that time, Valenzuela estimated 117,600 people were looking for or doing day-labor jobs on any given day. Illegal immigrants were 75% of the day-labor workforce; the rest were legal immigrants.

"It's becoming more ethnically diverse. On the corners, I've seen white people, I've seen African Americans and a lot of Mexican Americans," says Pablo Alvarado, executive director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. "When unemployment benefits run out, I expect to see more."

.......

Los Angeles. Citizens are replacing immigrant day laborers who had trouble finding work and returned to their home countries, says Antonio Bernabe, senior organizer of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles.

"These are people who used to have permanent positions," he says. "It's happening everywhere."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-29-citizen-day-laborers_N.htm

[Sam Lord]

But why would an illegal leave voluntarily. The pay in Mexico is 200 pesos a day if they can can get a job according to one of these articles.

So as long as they can get 16 dollars a day they will stay.

End of story.



Not sure why you have settled on $16. Probably something you have plucked off the top of your head like most things.

But anyway ... the question is can they get $16 a day? You have produced no evidence to support this.

What do American workers do, by the way, when their benefits run out?

[youngdan]

Hopefully Sam has realised what a fool he made himself look. [Quote]


[QUOTE=Sam Lord;47369]Very little chance of that ...



:D:D:D:D:D:D


Got you again

[youngdan]

[QUOTE=Sam Lord;47373]Not sure why you have settled on $16. Probably something you have plucked off the top of your head like most things.

QUOTE]




Just how dumb is this Irish kid that can not figure out where I got the figure of 16 dollars:D:D:D:eek::rolleyes::p

[C. Flower]

[QUOTE=Sam Lord;47373]Not sure why you have settled on $16. Probably something you have plucked off the top of your head like most things.

QUOTE]


Just how dumb is this Irish kid that can not figure out where I got the figure of 16 dollars:D:D:D:eek::rolleyes::p


So as long as they can get 16 dollars a day they will stay

Exactly. And it appears that some of them can't.

Losing a million or so population would only be inflationary if there was demand for their labour.

A lot of immigrants have left family and land behind them and are looking for more than subsistence to make staying away from home worth while.

The US's unemployment problem is (as well as crisis driven) long-term increasing, and structural and far more to do with China, Europe and even Brazil than with Mexico.

[Sam Lord]

[quote Youngdan] Hopefully Sam has realised what a fool he made himself look. [Quote]






:D:D:D:D:D:D


Got you again

We all know you specialise in selective quoting. You do not have to keep proving it. It is one of the fallacies they will teach you about if you take a course. This is exactly why I have been encouraging you to do this.

[Sam Lord]

Just how dumb is this Irish kid that can not figure out where I got the figure of 16 dollars ...

Well on this page you are going with sixteen dollars.



So as long as they can get 16 dollars a day they will stay.

But only two pages ago ten dollars was your figure.





This will not change until the money he earns here drops to as low as in Mexico. Maybe 10 dollars a day.

Now reply and tell me what a fool I am again.:)

[youngdan]

Well on this page you are going with sixteen dollars.



But only two pages ago ten dollars was your figure.




Now reply and tell me what a fool I am again.:)


The 16 dollars a day is the figure YOU linked to.

You fool

[Sam Lord]

This is your post two pages ago in its entirety


Of course they don't fill in Census forms.

But that is beside the point because there has not been a Census since 2000

Poor auld Sam with his claims of 1.5 million Mexicans having gone home has provided me with a good laugh as he usually does
When an illegal is fired he has 2 choices, starve or work for less money. Peanuts.

This will not change until the money he earns here drops to as low as in Mexico. Maybe 10 dollars a day.

Try harder next time Sam


Then, This your post on this page... again in it's entirety:




You are of course 100% wrong. If the illegals just vanished into thin air it would be inflationary.

But why would an illegal leave voluntarily. The pay in Mexico is 200 pesos a day if they can can get a job according to one of these articles.

So as long as they can get 16 dollars a day they will stay.

End of story.

Hopefully Sam has realised what a fool he made himself look and will stay away from this thread

These are your contradictory assertions. There are no references to anything I linked in either of your posts.

Maybe you could tell us at this stage what figure you are standing over.

[youngdan]

Are you a bit slow. The 16 dollars is the figure you linked to:D:D:D:D:p:p

[youngdan]

Thank goodness poor Sam has realised how idiotic his viewpoints were and has ran away:D:D


Anyone with half a brain of course knows that the stampede north is greater than ever before. Not just from economic depravity but now from violence as well.


Deaths in the desert are at an all time high.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100717/D9H0G0LG1.html

Distressing reading


As this recent video shows the tide is overwhelming. 850 people in a month and there are 1000s of trails.

YouTube- Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border 2: Drugs, Guns and 850 Illegal Aliens




I doubt if anyone else on the site is as dim as Sam. One never knows though.


The Irish would believe anything:D:D

[C. Flower]

Back on topic - the Republican Party is opposing the extension of benefits. There will be another vote tomorrow.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0719/breaking26.html

[C. Flower]

The extension has been passed and 2.5 million people will get their benefits back.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38325301/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/?GT1=43001

This business of societies with millions of people permanently unemployed is just not going to work imo.

[Sam Lord]

http://assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/median%20longterm%20unemployment.png

Wow ....

[C. Flower]

The difference between this crisis and the periodic post war recessions is the shift of manufacturing to the east, and to locations like Brazil. The world where wealth was very unevenly spread is changing. But millions of people who made their living in manufacturing in the west are facing an impoverished life and their children face a deskilled future.

The reality of Cowen's smart economy is similar.

[C. Flower]

This crisis is getting worse not better in the US. The "market" is leaving 9% of the workforce unemployed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/15/jobless-millions-death-american-dream

Alexandra Jarrin, 49, worked for a small technology company near New York City, earned $56,000 a year, had petrol in her car and a roof over her head. She was enrolled in a graduate business school. Then, two years ago, she lost her job .
She received her last unemployment payment in March, putting her among the first wave of "99ers" who have come to the end of their 99 weeks of entitlement to benefits. When interviewed by the New York Times, she was living in a motel in Brattleboro, Vermont, having paid $260 she managed to scrape together from friends and from selling her living-room furniture – enough for a week-long stay.
She said she wept as she left her old life. 'I thought, you know, what if I turned the wheel in my car and wrecked my car?' Her vehicle is now on the verge of being repossessed. Jarrin has contacted her local shelter, but was told there was a waiting list. "Barring a miracle, I'm going to be [sleeping] in my car," she said.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Admin/BkFill/Default_image_group/2010/8/14/1281803549202/jobless-march-006.jpg