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C. Flower
13-03-2017, 01:43 PM
Nicola Sturgeon has announced that a second Scottish Independence referendum will be held - most likely in 2018. The Brexit process commencement is expected, possibly tomorrow.

Given that a very high majority of Scots voted against Brexit and that the British Government has according to Sturgeon made no concessions to Scotland's separate wishes and rights to be informed, there is an issue that may mean a different outcome to the previous vote.

Enda Kenny's announcement of a referendum in Ireland regarding a mickey-mouse right for people in the North to vote in the Irish Presidential elections is clearly an attempt to befog and distract from the real Brexit issues in classic FG style.

The Scottish vote puts the pressure back on. The break up of the UK as well as the EU is on the agenda.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/nicola-sturgeon-fires-starting-gun-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum

Trow
13-03-2017, 08:27 PM
The Scottish vote puts the pressure back on. The break up of the UK as well as the EU is on the agenda.

Sinn Fein are calling for a border poll ''As soon as possible''

Quote.Its northern leader, Michelle O'Neill, said the urgency was increased by the prospect of Brexit, which would be "a disaster for the people of Ireland".unquote.

Pressure, pressure!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-39249929

C. Flower
13-03-2017, 08:47 PM
I would like to know what the mood is in Scotland. Impossible to guess.

DCon
13-03-2017, 09:42 PM
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DCon
13-03-2017, 09:44 PM
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pluralist
14-03-2017, 01:20 AM
Has anyone researched the death of Willie MacRae?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_MacRae

C. Flower
14-03-2017, 10:37 AM
Well, an interesting end to the UK if one or more parts of it sever themselves to join up with Germany.

The UK would be reduced to the City of London and a nuclear armed military.

Oh, and Wales, in probability.

DCon
14-03-2017, 06:22 PM
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Shaadi
14-03-2017, 07:39 PM
Well, an interesting end to the UK if one or more parts of it sever themselves to join up with Germany.

The UK would be reduced to the City of London and a nuclear armed military.

Oh, and Wales, in probability.

It opens up some powerful challenges to the existing status-quo between the EU and the USA/UK.

The EU if it survives further pan European attempts to limit ever closer union and establishes itself as a de facto unitary state will then be a massive Superpower which will move towards establishing a military arm fit for a Superpower and one that would rival the USA/China and other wannabe Superpowers.

In mind of where the EU is planning to go it would make an awful lot of strategic sense for the EU to peel off Scotland and NI from the UK leaving an EU Arc blocking the UK from militarily entering the North Atlantic through anywhere but the Celtic Sea.

The UK ATM is ripe for ripping apart if the EU powers wish to make a big longterm gain on the European-North Atlantic Chessboard.

Also if Scotland stays in the EU and Northern Ireland stays in the UK then the UK would have a big strategic interest in holding onto Northern Ireland for ever.

Shaadi
14-03-2017, 07:48 PM
Nicola Sturgeon has announced that a second Scottish Independence referendum will be held - most likely in 2018. The Brexit process commencement is expected, possibly tomorrow.

Given that a very high majority of Scots voted against Brexit and that the British Government has according to Sturgeon made no concessions to Scotland's separate wishes and rights to be informed, there is an issue that may mean a different outcome to the previous vote.

Enda Kenny's announcement of a referendum in Ireland regarding a mickey-mouse right for people in the North to vote in the Irish Presidential elections is clearly an attempt to befog and distract from the real Brexit issues in classic FG style.

The Scottish vote puts the pressure back on. The break up of the UK as well as the EU is on the agenda.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/nicola-sturgeon-fires-starting-gun-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum

I think you're being needlessly harsh on Enda, his proposal is exactly the kind of a normalisation of all Ireland politics that the ROI should be pushing forward with as it seeks to assimilate NI into the ROI in the next few decades/years?.

C. Flower
14-03-2017, 09:25 PM
It opens up some powerful challenges to the existing status-quo between the EU and the USA/UK.

The EU if it survives further pan European attempts to limit ever closer union and establishes itself as a de facto unitary state will then be a massive Superpower which will move towards establishing a military arm fit for a Superpower and one that would rival the USA/China and other wannabe Superpowers.

In mind of where the EU is planning to go it would make an awful lot of strategic sense for the EU to peel off Scotland and NI from the UK leaving an EU Arc blocking the UK from militarily entering the North Atlantic through anywhere but the Celtic Sea.

The UK ATM is ripe for ripping apart if the EU powers wish to make a big longterm gain on the European-North Atlantic Chessboard.

Also if Scotland stays in the EU and Northern Ireland stays in the UK then the UK would have a big strategic interest in holding onto Northern Ireland for ever.

The UK has been aligned with the US for decades (very unequally), militarily, and the British have always been clear that they must (in their terms) hold on to Ireland (a couple of ports is quite enough for a firm foothold) in order to ensure that no rival power gets influential here.

Brexit is threatening that foothold. The British ruling class appear to have been genuinely wrong-footed by Brexit, but it is hard to believe they didn't give the possibility some thought.

I would expect to see some panicky and maybe dirty moves from the British, to try to keep the UK entity intact.

And the US ? When were they ever able to keep their hands off anything ?

I would very much welcome the break up of the UK, which remains internationally one of the top global war-criminal states, in selling arms, destabilising 'hostile' states and backing dictators.

Globalisation which has impoverished the old manufacturing areas of Britain, and obscenely enriched the City of London, was the destabilising factor.

DCon
14-03-2017, 10:08 PM
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DCon
14-03-2017, 10:16 PM
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