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Ah Well
13-05-2010, 10:03 AM
I heard this briefly on Tom Dunne's Newstalk Prog this morning ...

Apparently

A plan to place a plaque on the North Atlantic islet of Rockall has been approved by Western Isles council - the nearest UK local authority to it.

The plaque would claim the site as part of the UK.

...Adventurer Andy Strangeway, from Full Sutton, East Yorkshire, is behind the idea of installing the plaque.
Mr Strangeway specialises in visiting remote and inaccessible islands around the UK coast.
Western Isles council, Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, said there were no objections to the proposal and wished him well....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8677045.stm

I thought the Brits had already installed a Plaque there long since claiming it and indeed they had, but it appears to have gone "missing"

On 18 September 1955 at precisely 10.16 am, in what would be the final territorial expansion of the British Empire, the island was officially annexed by the UK when Lieutenant-Commander Desmond Scott RN, Sergeant Brian Peel RM, Corporal AA Fraser RM, and James Fisher (a civilian naturalist and former Royal Marine), were deposited on the island by a Royal Navy helicopter from HMS Vidal (coincidentally named after the man who first charted the island). The team cemented in a brass plaque on Hall's Ledge and hoisted the Union Flag to stake the UK's claim. The inscription on the plaque read:

"By authority of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other realms and territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, and in accordance with Her Majesty's instructions dated the 14th day of September, 1955, a landing was effected this day upon this island of Rockall from HMS Vidal. The Union flag was hoisted and possession of the island was taken in the name of Her Majesty. [Signed] R H Connell, Captain, HMS Vidal, 18 September 1955."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

As you may already know, ownership is disputed with claims being made by Ireland, the UK, Iceland and Denmark (for the Faroe Islands)

Dunne on his Prog stated that Finian McGrath is supposed to be raising this in the Dáil

Afaik the situation still is that Iceland, Ireland and the United Kingdom have all made submissions to the Commission set up under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Denmark is to make a submission before 2014, delaying a resolution until then.

Obviously the Rock/Islet itself is of effectively no use to anyone but there is the issue of fishing & exploration rights in the areas surrounding it

Is this fellow Strangeway doing this of his own accord or does it suit the UK Authorities to allow him to do it and not be seen to be involved directly in it themselves as the matter is being officially dealt with by this Commission set up under the UN Convention?

Should it not be allowed to proceed at all as it is being dealt with by the Commission?

Will or should our Government object to this action?

PS - Someone get Seán Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus on the scene! Is he still alive, should be 83 yrs young if so at this stage ;)

electionlit
13-05-2010, 10:13 AM
In the 80s some British chap lived there for a few days to publicise the UKs claim to the rock.

Ah Well
13-05-2010, 10:16 AM
In the 80s some British chap lived there for a few days to publicise the UKs claim to the rock.

Forgot to mention more recently Greenpeace designated Rockall as an independent State ;)

I should possibly have included them as a claiming party

Maybe they should be advised of this - get 'em to circle the Rock/Islet and take the plaque when no-one's looking :)

http://www.waveland.org/ (That reminds me of the film with Kevin Costner "Water World" for some reason)

C. Flower
13-05-2010, 10:49 AM
Where exactly did you all think I was posting from ? :D

Ah Well
13-05-2010, 10:52 AM
Where exactly did you all think I was posting from ? :D

Ahhhhh ....

So THAT's you in the Red Survival Suit on top of that Yellow thingy?

http://www.waveland.org/icons/entry.gif

People Korps
13-05-2010, 10:59 AM
Its all about oil and gas in the 200 miles around Rockall

disability student
13-05-2010, 11:06 AM
Its all about oil and gas in the 200 miles around Rockall

Yeah that's all there is as they have huge natural resources around it. I think Greenland made a claim to it as regards to territorial a & sea areas as well.. not sure as the Rockall matter has gone to the UN for decision.

TaxationIsTheft
13-05-2010, 11:11 AM
Ireland had the same chance as the UK, to claim Rockall by planting our flag on it. We had our chance and we blew it.

Maybe if we werent squandering all our nations wealth on binge drinking ,horse racing and religious buildings, we would have had the capability to send a ship up there and claim Rockall. But we didnt, so stop whinging about it.

Sam Lord
13-05-2010, 12:20 PM
Ireland had the same chance as the UK, to claim Rockall by planting our flag on it. We had our chance and we blew it.

Maybe if we werent squandering all our nations wealth on binge drinking ,horse racing and religious buildings, we would have had the capability to send a ship up there and claim Rockall. But we didnt, so stop whinging about it.

We would need taxes to buy the ship so maybe you should stop whinging ...

C. Flower
13-05-2010, 12:23 PM
Ahhhhh ....

So THAT's you in the Red Survival Suit on top of that Yellow thingy?

http://www.waveland.org/icons/entry.gif


Hi ! :) *waves*

Ah Well
13-05-2010, 12:40 PM
Hi ! :) *waves*

Sure hope you had a more pleasant landing at Rockall than McClean the guy who "reclaimed" it for the Brits as referred to by Electionlit in their prior post

Vid of that event here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970276892066935736#

C. Flower
13-05-2010, 01:06 PM
Sure hope you had a more pleasant landing at Rockall than McClean the guy who "reclaimed" it for the Brits as referred to by Electionlit in their prior post

Vid of that event here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970276892066935736#

A very well-handled and courageous landing. Who was he again ? My guess would be navy.

A helicopter is better if you want to keep your laptop dry.

Ah Well
13-05-2010, 01:39 PM
A very well-handled and courageous landing. Who was he again ? My guess would be navy

Military man and survival expert this fellow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McClean

Now there's an idea ... instead of sending a Naval Ship to South America, send it up to Rockall instead ... with a complement of Army Rangers with a dinghy and let 'em have some useful training exercise at the same time ... quick tricolour hoist at the top, plaque, few words and bobs yer uncle

;)

C. Flower
13-05-2010, 01:47 PM
Military man and survival expert this fellow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McClean

Now there's an idea ... instead of sending a Naval Ship to South America, send it up to Rockall instead ... with a complement of Army Rangers with a dinghy and let 'em have some useful training exercise at the same time ... quick tricolour hoist at the top, plaque, few words and bobs yer uncle

;)

Yes, that looked like a special forces OP. I would have like to have seen him try it after dark, and me on top ready with my frying pan :D

Xray
13-05-2010, 08:07 PM
Its all about oil and gas in the 200 miles around Rockall

Well the UK own the Oil in Mayo so they can have this place too...

truth.ie
13-05-2010, 10:25 PM
Well the UK own the Oil in Mayo so they can have this place too...
They also own the top North East of the Island, and Irish people voted for it.
Go figure.
If we can't even defend the national territory of a large part of our island, what hope for a rock 200miles out at sea?

Ah Well
13-05-2010, 10:55 PM
They also own the top North East of the Island, and Irish people voted for it.
Go figure.
If we can't even defend the national territory of a large part of our island, what hope for a rock 200miles out at sea?

Not sure the Rock is the issue in an Irish sense - it's what's round it

Us and the UK have some sort of nod wink Agt circa 1988 of boundaries by all accounts (which gives the Brits the Rock but us lotsa seaspace) but of course Iceland, Danes and Wavelandys ain't parties to that paper shuffling

StewieG
14-05-2010, 12:57 AM
I know its off topic but I didnt see the need for another 'tiny outpost' thread ( I feel one a night is enough ):)

Check out this gaff ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand

Ah Well
14-05-2010, 01:01 AM
I know its off topic but I didnt see the need for another 'tiny outpost' thread ( I feel one a night is enough ):)

Check out this gaff ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand

heh ... came across sealand some distant time before whatever .. is it still standing?

StewieG
14-05-2010, 01:05 AM
Apparently so . the son of the original 'settler' is the prince or prime minister or something .Apparently Steve Staunton is tipped to be the next manager of the national team:)

Assuming he refuses the Rockall job !

PaddyJoe
14-05-2010, 01:17 AM
Wonder when they can set up an off shore banking facility? I just found 35 euro down the back of the sofa and I really don't know what to do with it:)

moss
14-05-2010, 01:22 AM
Wonder when they can set up an off shore banking facility? I just found 35 euro down the back of the sofa and I really don't know what to do with it:)

These lads could probably advise you.

http://www.shell.com/home/content/investor/

PaddyJoe
14-05-2010, 01:30 AM
These lads could probably advise you.

http://www.shell.com/home/content/investor/
:)aye, I'd rather invest it off Mayo! Closer to home.

Sam Lord
14-05-2010, 03:43 AM
YouTube- The Wolfe Tones - Rock On Rockall

Ah Well
14-05-2010, 10:00 AM
The relevant Website of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) is here http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/clcs_home.htm

Individual Submissions were made to the Commission both by Ireland and the UK. There seem to have been no Submissions from either Denmark or Iceland to date

The current position of this dispute in so far as the Commission is concerned assuming details on the Site are up to date is detailed in their Reports on the two Submissions located here http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N09/536/21/PDF/N0953621.pdf?OpenElement (see item 12 for the UK Submission and item 13 for the Ireland Submission

Does anyone have a link to the exact details of the maritime boundary supposed to have been agreed to by the UK and Ireland in 1988 and also preferably a Map of this?

Slim Buddha
14-05-2010, 11:25 AM
I heard this briefly on Tom Dunne's Newstalk Prog this morning ...

Apparently

A plan to place a plaque on the North Atlantic islet of Rockall has been approved by Western Isles council - the nearest UK local authority to it.

The plaque would claim the site as part of the UK.

...Adventurer Andy Strangeway, from Full Sutton, East Yorkshire, is behind the idea of installing the plaque.
Mr Strangeway specialises in visiting remote and inaccessible islands around the UK coast.
Western Isles council, Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, said there were no objections to the proposal and wished him well....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8677045.stm

I thought the Brits had already installed a Plaque there long since claiming it and indeed they had, but it appears to have gone "missing"

On 18 September 1955 at precisely 10.16 am, in what would be the final territorial expansion of the British Empire, the island was officially annexed by the UK when Lieutenant-Commander Desmond Scott RN, Sergeant Brian Peel RM, Corporal AA Fraser RM, and James Fisher (a civilian naturalist and former Royal Marine), were deposited on the island by a Royal Navy helicopter from HMS Vidal (coincidentally named after the man who first charted the island). The team cemented in a brass plaque on Hall's Ledge and hoisted the Union Flag to stake the UK's claim. The inscription on the plaque read:

"By authority of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other realms and territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, and in accordance with Her Majesty's instructions dated the 14th day of September, 1955, a landing was effected this day upon this island of Rockall from HMS Vidal. The Union flag was hoisted and possession of the island was taken in the name of Her Majesty. [Signed] R H Connell, Captain, HMS Vidal, 18 September 1955."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

As you may already know, ownership is disputed with claims being made by Ireland, the UK, Iceland and Denmark (for the Faroe Islands)

Dunne on his Prog stated that Finian McGrath is supposed to be raising this in the Dáil

Afaik the situation still is that Iceland, Ireland and the United Kingdom have all made submissions to the Commission set up under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Denmark is to make a submission before 2014, delaying a resolution until then.

Obviously the Rock/Islet itself is of effectively no use to anyone but there is the issue of fishing & exploration rights in the areas surrounding it

Is this fellow Strangeway doing this of his own accord or does it suit the UK Authorities to allow him to do it and not be seen to be involved directly in it themselves as the matter is being officially dealt with by this Commission set up under the UN Convention?

Should it not be allowed to proceed at all as it is being dealt with by the Commission?

Will or should our Government object to this action?

PS - Someone get Seán Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus on the scene! Is he still alive, should be 83 yrs young if so at this stage ;)

That's Sean D. Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus to you, mate! :-)


Seriously, if you were a puffin and had a choice between Biffo, "Dave" Cameron and the guy in Iceland who allowed a referendum on whether the Icelandic population should be driven into penury to bail out criminal banks, who would you choose?

C. Flower
14-05-2010, 02:13 PM
We should split it with the Icelanders :D

Ah Well
14-05-2010, 03:22 PM
Using Google Earth there and if you were to use simple distance it is closest to St Kilda off the west coast of Scotland at approx 188mls

Donegal is next but the nearest coastal point is well over 200 mls away from it

Next comes the Faroe Islands

And lastly Iceland

Kid Ryder
14-05-2010, 06:42 PM
Using Google Earth there and if you were to use simple distance it is closest to St Kilda off the west coast of Scotland at approx 188mls

Donegal is next but the nearest coastal point is well over 200 mls away from it

Next comes the Faroe Islands

And lastly Iceland

Correct, but is it populated landfall that matters? St. Kilda was depopulated sometime in the 1920s or 1930s, I think. It was a very hard life on that wee archipelago, but there were a few compensations - amazing scenery, abundant fish and seafowl, and a very strong form of local democracy alien to the highly-controlled farrago of richer parts.

I suppose it'll really come down to intergovernmental horse trading behind closed doors. The sort of thing our 'democratically elected leaders' love to do as often as they can get away with.

tombombadoodle
14-05-2010, 06:48 PM
For the benefit of those of you much younger than I, the Wolftones (if memory serves me right) penned the lyrics:
"You can tell them all in Rockall they'll get **** all from Whitehall"
Priceless!!!

moss
14-05-2010, 07:03 PM
For the benefit of those of you much younger than I, the Wolftones (if memory serves me right) penned the lyrics:
"You can tell them all in Rockall they'll get **** all from Whitehall"
Priceless!!!

Cool tune.

YouTube- The Wolfe Tones Rock On Rockall

Words and Music : B.Warfield

Oh the Empire it is finished

No foreign lands to seize

So the greedy eye of England

I stirring towards the seas

Two hundred miles from Donegal

There's a place that's called Rockall

And the groping hands of Whitehall

Are grabbing at it's walls.



Chorus:

Oh rock on Rockall you'll never fall

For Britains greedy hands

Oh you'll meet the same resistance

Like you did in many lands

May the Seagulls rise and pluck your eyes

And the water crush your shell

And the natural gas will burn your ass

And blow you all to hell



This rock is part of Ireland

For it's written in folklore

When Finn McCool took a sod of grass

He threw it to the fore

When he tossed a pebble across the sea

Where ever did it fall

For the sod became the Isle of Man

Now the pebble's called Rockall



Chorus...



Oh the seas will not be silent

While Britannia grabs the waves

And remember that the Irish

Will no longer be your slaves

And remember that Britannia well

She rules the waves no more

So keep your hands off Rockall

It's Irish to the core.



Chorus...

Sam Lord
14-05-2010, 07:05 PM
Did I not post that yesterday?

C. Flower
14-05-2010, 07:06 PM
It would stand repeating :)

moss
14-05-2010, 07:08 PM
Did I not post that yesterday?

You'd probably know better than me. Did you ?

I was just replying to another poster.

Sam Lord
14-05-2010, 07:22 PM
It would stand repeating :)

There are many more versions .... you may get sick of it..

Actually, I'm looking forward to the next person coming along and linking the song without bothering to read the thread .

We will see how many versions we can cover ...

moss
14-05-2010, 08:10 PM
Did I not post that yesterday?

Just noticed you did post something similar. Silly me for forgeting.

There appears to be a slight difference though.

Wanna see if you can spot it ?

Andrew49
04-12-2010, 03:50 PM
Denmark said today it had supplied evidence to a UN body to support its ownership claim, through its Faroe Islands territory, of the disputed and resource-rich Rockall zone in the North Atlantic. The continental shelf of the Rockall zone, south of the Faroe Islands, is said to be rich in oil and gas.

RTE News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1203/rockallzone.html)

Britain and Ireland submitted their scientific proofs for ownership claims in March 2009, Denmark said, while Iceland has yet to present any data.

ang
02-01-2011, 12:52 PM
It seems like Rockall is back on the Agenda and it is beyond me how anyone can dispute Irish ownership of Rockall:-


The United Nations is likely to examine claims to the ownership of the remote islet of Rockall within weeks after Denmark made a submission, it has been reported.

Ownership of the uninhabited outcrop in the Atlantic has long been disputed by Britain, Ireland, Denmark and the Faroe Islands and Iceland.

Denmark and the Faroe Islands made a submission to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) early in December.

A statement on the UN website says that it will be considered at the commission's meeting in New York in March.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/un-to-examine-rockall-ownership-2480498.html

C. Flower
02-01-2011, 01:00 PM
I suppose I had better stake my claim asap.

We talked about this history of the Rockall claims here -

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=1692&highlight=Rockall

There's a link to the Irish Marine Institute's recent sea-bed mapping of the Rockall sea bed here -

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=3575&highlight=Rockall

ang
02-01-2011, 01:08 PM
I suppose I had better stake my claim asap.

We talked about this history of the Rockall claims here -

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=1692&highlight=Rockall

There's a link to the Irish Marine Institute's recent sea-bed mapping of the Rockall sea bed here -

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=3575&highlight=Rockall

Good thread will merge and extend title later if OP agrees

ang
08-01-2011, 06:06 PM
Indymedia Update on Rockall


According to a recent Guardian article, gombeen Irish politicians from Fiannna Fail, Fine Gael & Labour have secretly agreed a common marine border, in which the Irish island of Rockall, has been ceeded to the British by these ******* Irish politicians. British occupation of the Irish island of Rockall an Irish outcrop jutting out on a vast lucrative oilfield west of Ireland, which is to be examined within weeks by the UN, means that Ireland will loose trillions of badly needed tax dollars

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/98585

C. Flower
08-01-2011, 06:17 PM
Indymedia Update on Rockall



http://www.indymedia.ie/article/98585


I've made my submission direct to the UN.

Ah Well
08-01-2011, 06:32 PM
Indymedia Update on Rockall



http://www.indymedia.ie/article/98585

Well, the FFers have already sold out the country and any future we had ... anything they might do wouldn't surprise me tbh

Shower of !"£$%^ one and all :mad::mad:

C. Flower
24-01-2011, 09:25 PM
Watch the SAS man get washed off Rockall :D

http://www.motivationspeaker.co.uk/

TotalMayhem
24-01-2011, 10:01 PM
Watch the SAS man get washed off Rockall :D

:D :D :D

Here's a classic (http://mp3upload.ca/artist/michael-flanders-donald-swann).

fluffybiscuits
13-10-2012, 03:36 PM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/our-navys-show-of-force-off-rockall-3258013.html


The LE Roisin exercised Ireland's sovereign rights over the craggy outcrop in a "showing the flag" patrol.

The rock lies 230 nautical miles northwest of Bloody Foreland in Co Donegal.

SShhh dont tell Providence...

C. Flower
13-10-2012, 03:44 PM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/our-navys-show-of-force-off-rockall-3258013.html



SShhh dont tell Providence...


I'm on 24 hour watch for them.

fluffybiscuits
13-10-2012, 03:55 PM
I'm on 24 hour watch for them.

http://videogum.com/img/thumbnails/photos/thirtysomething_1_10/stake_out.jpg

PaddyJoe
13-10-2012, 06:27 PM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/our-navys-show-of-force-off-rockall-3258013.html



SShhh dont tell Providence...

Maybe they're concerned about a Paddy Roy Bates style take-over:)

A born swashbuckler, Paddy Roy Bates fought in the Spanish Civil War as a teenager, faced a Greek firing squad in World War II and had a German stick bomb explode in his face.
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-roy-bates-20121014,0,2434057.story

fluffybiscuits
14-10-2012, 12:26 AM
Maybe they're concerned about a Paddy Roy Bates style take-over:)

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-roy-bates-20121014,0,2434057.story

One of his passports turned up in the murder of Versace! Bates certainly lived a swashbucklers life!

We could rename Rockall ,Fockall because there is nothing on it! :D