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Andrew49
31-10-2015, 08:50 AM
A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai with more than 200 people on board, the office of Egypt's prime minister has confirmed. The Airbus A-321 had just taken off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, on its way to the Russian city of St Petersburg. There were conflicting reports about the fate of the plane, some suggesting it had disappeared over Cyprus. LINK (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139)

There are social media reports that the pilot asked for route change, planned to land in Cairo.

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But why do I get the feeling that pieces are being moved around a board?

C. Flower
31-10-2015, 11:08 AM
A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai with more than 200 people on board, the office of Egypt's prime minister has confirmed. The Airbus A-321 had just taken off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, on its way to the Russian city of St Petersburg. There were conflicting reports about the fate of the plane, some suggesting it had disappeared over Cyprus. LINK (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139)

There are social media reports that the pilot asked for route change, planned to land in Cairo.

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But why do I get the feeling that pieces are being moved around a board?

Sinai has been increasingly infested with "jihadists" since 2011. It is now a war zone.

Terrible disaster, too soon to know if an accident or an attack.

Andrew49
31-10-2015, 11:59 AM
A security source has told the Deutsche Presse-Agentur(DPA) that the black box of the Russian plane has been found. He added that from the primary examination of the wreckage and tail of the plane, there are no indications that the plane suffered a terrorist operation and at this stage the crash is thought to be caused by a technical error.

Plane cane down close to area where Egyptian army is fighting militants loyal to Isil

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 12:25 PM
The Airbus was one of over 1700 airliners owned by Dublin-based AerCap.

C. Flower
31-10-2015, 02:31 PM
There are tweets that ISIS is claiming this.

Some flight radar data

http://www.flightradar24.com/blog/crash-of-metrojet-flight-7k9268/

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 02:40 PM
There are tweets that ISIS is claiming this.

Maybe they've captured some BUK missiles from the Egyptian army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Air_Defense_Forces)...

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 02:55 PM
We know Russia's contempt for "corrupt Western values" which probably include air safety and accountability. According to the most current International Air Transport Association report, Russia remains the most dangerous place to fly. Flying a commercial airline in Russia is about four times as dangerous as the world average (the average that, of course, includes Africa, which is constantly competing with the former Soviet states for worst air safety). Between 2005-2014, at least 766 people were killed in airplane disasters in Russia.

pluralist
31-10-2015, 03:13 PM
We know Russia's contempt for "corrupt Western values" which probably include air safety and accountability. According to the most current International Air Transport Association report, Russia remains the most dangerous place to fly. Flying a commercial airline in Russia is about four times as dangerous as the world average (the average that, of course, includes Africa, which is constantly competing with the former Soviet states for worst air safety). Between 2005-2014, at least 766 people were killed in airplane disasters in Russia.

You managed to bring your Russophobia into this...sickening.

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 03:34 PM
You managed to bring your Russophobia into this...sickening.

Russia should be sheltered from corrupt Western values and the internet’s corrosive influence. Says Comrade Putin.

Russia's air safety record is ****-poor. Says IATA.

pluralist
31-10-2015, 03:40 PM
Russia should be sheltered from corrupt Western values and the internet’s corrosive influence. Says Comrade Putin.

Russia's air safety record is ****-poor. Says IATA.

To imply that there is some kind of connectivity between these two points is absurd. The top two airlines for safety are the UAE's 'Emirates' and China's 'Cathay Pacific'. These are hardly two countries regarded as exemplars of 'Western values'.

http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/

Incidentally, what's with the 'Comrade' Putin.

You are aware that Russia is a capitalist oligarchical society these days. Much like, you know, the US!

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 03:53 PM
Sorry, Cathay maybe be based in Hongkong but it's a British airline, owned by Swire of London.

pluralist
31-10-2015, 04:00 PM
Sorry, Cathay maybe be based in Hongkong but it's a British airline, owned by Swire of London.

Swire owns 52% of the shares, Air China owns most of the rest. Air China is in turn owned by the People's Republic of China. Sorry if this doesn't fit the agenda.

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 04:21 PM
That makes the British company still the majority shareholder.

Anyway, aviation safety is held in little esteem in Putin's kleptocracy. 40 fatal plane crashes in the last 25 years (http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/fsu.htm) bear testimony to Russia's egregious record.

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 08:29 PM
Russian authorities have launched a criminal case against the airline, Kogalymavia, for "violation of rules of flight and preparation".

Kolavia, as it was known then, ceased operations in September 2011 (http://atwonline.com/news/tui-kolavia-jv-launch-russian-charter-carrier-metrojet) following a fatal fire in January 2011 on a Tupolev Tu-154. In 2012 Kolavia has been revived (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/tui-russia-offers-bubbly-on-repainted-jets/461567.html) and rebranded as Kogalymavia/MetroJet by TUI Russia — a joint venture between Germany's largest tour operator, TUI, and steel magnate Alexei Mordashov. Last week it was announced (http://www.tuigroup.com/en-en/investors/news/2015/regulatory-announcements/20151023) that the Germans are to reduce their equity participation.

Alexei Mordashov is worth about 13 billion dollars. After divorcing his wife in 1996 (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-20/oligarch-s-ex-wife-earned-her-4-5-billion) also agreed to pay $200 a month in child support for his son. I suppose, the good oligarch has little consideration for "maintenance costs".

TotalMayhem
31-10-2015, 08:35 PM
I also wonder if the AAIU is on the case since it was an Irish airplane (tail number EI-ETJ)


The AAIU investigates aviation occurrences that occur within the state of Ireland and co-ordinate and co-operate with other safety investigation authorities overseas, in particular, with those authorities who conduct investigations into Irish registered / operated aircraft abroad

pluralist
31-10-2015, 08:39 PM
I also wonder if the AAIU is on the case since it was an Irish airplane (tail number EI-ETJ)

An Irish registered aeroplane.....well well, very interesting, Mr Bond.

Can the light touch regulation of the IFSC also be blamed on "Russia's contempt for "corrupt Western values" which probably include air safety and accountability"?

I seek merely information.

morticia
31-10-2015, 10:43 PM
Tbh, if ISIL Have claimed responsibility, that's likely to be the end of the story as far as investigations go. Putin is now, however, quite likely to flatten half of Syria (anything held by ISIS). And therein lies another tale...

TotalMayhem
01-11-2015, 12:15 AM
RT interviewed (http://novostivideo.ru/video/2698461) a "highly decorated test pilot", blaming France and warm countries:


"Then there is the question of the aircraft itself - where have they got this plane from? If it was designed in France that is one thing"

Phew, feelin' lucky now that you didn't buy their [email protected] helicopter carriers, eh?


"As usual old planes find their way onto the Russian market, it is the small companies who buy cheap aircraft for example from Brazil, Turkey, Indonesia, from anywhere, and this is where they take these planes from. And you know that there is a harsh climate in Russia, this is not the tropics. The planes from warm countries are not suitable for Russia."

The Airbus A321 was 18 years old with appr 22,000 flight cycles, far from the end of its operating lifetime.

Jet airliners spend most of their time at 30,000 ft where the temperature is -45 degrees. How is that for "harsh climate"?

The plane wasn't bought, it was on lease, from a country which isn't particularly warm.

Where do they find these clowns?

Hiding Behind A Poster
01-11-2015, 07:30 PM
Tbh, if ISIL Have claimed responsibility, that's likely to be the end of the story as far as investigations go.

No, it isn't. Any such claim would only be taken seriously if the investigation were to turn up evidence of an attack on the aircraft.

Hiding Behind A Poster
01-11-2015, 07:30 PM
The plane wasn't bought, it was on lease, from a country which isn't particularly warm.

Where do they find these clowns?

It's quite likely that that plane never touched the ground in Ireland, so the climate here is irrelevant.

Hiding Behind A Poster
01-11-2015, 07:33 PM
Probably the most interesting information so far is that this aircraft had a tail strike on landing some years ago. An Air China 767 (I think) broke up in mid-air about 15 years ago, thanks to a tail strike that was incorrectly repaired. And the debris field of yesterday's crash also suggests a mid-air break-up.

C. Flower
01-11-2015, 08:16 PM
Probably the most interesting information so far is that this aircraft had a tail strike on landing some years ago. An Air China 767 (I think) broke up in mid-air about 15 years ago, thanks to a tail strike that was incorrectly repaired. And the debris field of yesterday's crash also suggests a mid-air break-up.

It certainly was in bits. Break up due to repair failure or bomb on board seems more probable than a lone BUK wandering the Sinai.

morticia
02-11-2015, 06:18 AM
No, it isn't. Any such claim would only be taken seriously if the investigation were to turn up evidence of an attack on the aircraft.

Really??

Egypt admits bomb may have downed doomed airliner

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/africa/egypt-admits-bomb-may-have-downed-doomed-airliner-34160740.html

TotalMayhem
02-11-2015, 01:23 PM
A bomb? Really?

You have to go back a looong way to find the last international flight brought down by a bomb. And that wasn't the [Edit. Mod SL. Careful now] , it was Pablo Escobar making a popular presidential candidate disappear in 1989 (106 other people became "collateral damage").

And vastly ramped up airport security since 9/11 certainly has not made matters easier for ambitiuos suicide bombers.

The Chechens bombed two Russian planes in 2004, but those were domestic flights.

Andrew49
02-11-2015, 02:15 PM
The Russian airline Kogalymavia has blamed "external influence" for Saturday's Sinai plane crash which killed 224 people.

C. Flower
02-11-2015, 02:42 PM
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TotalMayhem
02-11-2015, 03:17 PM
[Edit. Mod SL. Careful now]

The headwear I was referring to is actually made of winded cloth, not a towel or rag. My bad.

C. Flower
03-11-2015, 12:38 AM
A US government source is reported as saying that a heat flash was detected next to the plane by a US satellite.

Does anyone remember if any US satellite data was ever released on the Ukraine plane that was shot down ? I remember it was asked for for months.

TotalMayhem
03-11-2015, 11:42 AM
The wife of the co-pilot says her husband was "anxious" about the condition of the plane before taking off and the pilot radioed air traffic control to report technical difficulties and planned an emergency landing at the nearest airport, shortly before it disappeared from radar screens.

C. Flower
03-11-2015, 02:00 PM
The wife of the co-pilot says her husband was "anxious" about the condition of the plane before taking off and the pilot radioed air traffic control to report technical difficulties and planned an emergency landing at the nearest airport, shortly before it disappeared from radar screens.

Who reported this ? It would make sense, but earlier reports said that there were no reports of any technical difficulties.

Surely a pilot would not take off in a plane with visible structural faults ?

TotalMayhem
03-11-2015, 02:13 PM
Sergei Truckahev reportedly called his daughter to say "the technical condition of the aircraft left much to be desired", his wife told Russian media.

Independent (http://www.independent.ie/world-news/egypt-plane-crash-wife-of-copilot-says-her-husband-was-anxious-about-condition-of-metrojet-plane-before-taking-off-34159089.html)

TotalMayhem
04-11-2015, 12:21 PM
South Sudan: Russian-made Antonov cargo plane crashes (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/south-sudan-russian-made-antonov-cargo-plane-crashes-after-take-off-killing-dozens-1527109) after take off 'killing dozens'.

Andrew49
04-11-2015, 08:42 PM
The Irish Aviation Authority has instructed Irish airline operators not to operate to or from Sharm el-Sheikh airport or in the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula airspace until further notice.

US official: Early intelligence suggests bomb brought down the Russian airliner.

C. Flower
05-11-2015, 11:10 AM
The Irish Aviation Authority has instructed Irish airline operators not to operate to or from Sharm el-Sheikh airport or in the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula airspace until further notice.

US official: Early intelligence suggests bomb brought down the Russian airliner.

The early mention by the airline of "mechanical impact", US and British intelligence responses, and yesterday's reports of an unusual sound just before recording stopped suggest either a bomb or a missile - or, longest shot, a meteor fragment. Another long shot possibility is a missile arising from the very large military airforce exercise taking place in Southern Israel, involving Germany, the US, Israel, Poland and Greece. About 10 years ago Ukraine accidentally shot a passenger jet down with a BUK missile in the course of a similar exercise.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-hosts-its-largest-ever-international-air-force-exercise/

DCon
05-11-2015, 02:45 PM
What could possibly go wrong?


CIA, Saudis To Give "Select" Syrian Militants Weapons Capable Of Downing Commercial Airliners

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-05/cia-saudis-give-select-syrian-militants-weapons-capable-downing-commercial-airliners

TotalMayhem
05-11-2015, 03:06 PM
There seems to be no end to the absurdities... today I read, the Russians have moved anti-aircraft weaponry to Syria (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/617133/Russia-Syria-Vladimir-Putin-ISIS-Iraq-Islamic-State-Viktor-Bondarev) to defend themselves against fighter planes hijacked by ISIS.

http://i.imgur.com/P8jONkQ.gif

TotalMayhem
05-11-2015, 04:28 PM
Maybe ISIS hired Jetman?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VPvKl6ezyc

C. Flower
05-11-2015, 06:28 PM
Well, poor Egypt, anyway. The economy has declined sharply in the last few years, from bad to worse. Tourism is a mainstay.

TotalMayhem
05-11-2015, 07:34 PM
True enough, after 9,000 Brits have been left stranded in Sharm el-Sheikh after BA cancelled all flights, Lufthansa has been pulled out as well. Looks like holdays in Egypt are off the table for a while.

Egypt's economy is of little concern to shady Russian oligarchs, Airbus Industries, the British government, insurance companies and whoever else may have an intrest in this ridiculous "bomb scare".

pluralist
05-11-2015, 11:59 PM
True enough, after 9,000 Brits have been left stranded in Sharm el-Sheikh after BA cancelled all flights, Lufthansa has been pulled out as well. Looks like holdays in Egypt are off the table for a while.

Egypt's economy is of little concern to shady Russian oligarchs, Airbus Industries, the British government, insurance companies and whoever else may have an intrest in this ridiculous "bomb scare".

It's certainly ridiculous that with all the nonsense air-travellers have had to endure in recent years they weren't able to stop a bomb being put into the hold (if that is really what happened).

C. Flower
06-11-2015, 01:10 AM
True enough, after 9,000 Brits have been left stranded in Sharm el-Sheikh after BA cancelled all flights, Lufthansa has been pulled out as well. Looks like holdays in Egypt are off the table for a while.

Egypt's economy is of little concern to shady Russian oligarchs, Airbus Industries, the British government, insurance companies and whoever else may have an intrest in this ridiculous "bomb scare".

No better person than you, TM, to clear up the question of whether this could have anything to do with the large scale air exercise going on in the Negev .

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/03/03/world/middleeast/03sinai-map/03sinai-map-sfSpan.jpg

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2015/10/22542577466_e287821a3f_o.jpg


On the 27th, over the Negev.

Any idea when "Blue Flag" finished ?

TotalMayhem
06-11-2015, 12:44 PM
"Blue Flag" ended on Tuesday.

Apparently "Blue Flag" was more of a ground control and coordination exercise, i.e. the fighters were not pitted against each other in air defense manoeuvers.

Could that Airbus have been within "shooting range"? Possible, if the jets were armed with AIM-120 missiles (range up to 75km), the crash site was only 25km from the border to Israel.

C. Flower
06-11-2015, 01:23 PM
"Blue Flag" ended on Tuesday.

Apparently "Blue Flag" was more of a ground control and coordination exercise, i.e. the fighters were not pitted against each other in air defense manoeuvers.

Could that Airbus have been within "shooting range"? Possible, if the jets were armed with AIM-120 missiles (range up to 75km), the crash site was only 25km from the border to Israel.

I'm not saying this is any more probable than a bomb, but it certainly merits investigation. In the Ukraine incident ten years ago, the person firing the BUK obviously did not know that there was a live missile loaded. Accidents can happen.


Though the exercise began on October 18, planning for it started nearly eight months ago, the Israeli official said, with an IAF representative contacting each participating country and initially asking, “What do you want to train for?”
Those requests came together to form the plan for “Blue Flag,” which sent Israeli and American F-15 squadrons, along with Israeli, Hellenic and Polish F-16 squadrons, flying through nearly all of Israel’s air space, firing simulated weapons against fictional enemy missile launchers, convoys and aircraft, he said.
Though the drill was intensive and demanding, it was designed more to test the mettle of the men and women behind the controls than to test the technical capabilities of the fighter jets themselves.
“We wanted it to be challenging for the airmen, rather than for the machines,” said the IAF captain, who cannot be named for security reasons.
In order to “put the airmen through their paces,” he explained, the people running the exercise tried to surprise them, putting them in situations where “the pilot doesn’t know where their target is coming from.”

TotalMayhem
06-11-2015, 05:19 PM
it certainly merits investigation

The lads were probably sound asleep at the time of the crash (6am). ;)

And you can be sure the Russians would be screaming bloody murder if there was even a remote possibility that the airliner was shot down by Israeli or NATO fighter planes.

C. Flower
06-11-2015, 05:21 PM
The lads were probably sound asleep at the time of the crash (6am). ;)

And you can be sure the Russians would be screaming bloody murder if there was even a remote possibility that the airliner was shot down by Israeli or NATO fighter planes.

You think that exercises are run on a 9 - 5 basis ? I don't think so.

As to the Russians, they don't do media responses the way we do.

If they felt that they had evidence, they might well keep it under the table and use it in negotiations on, say, Donbass and Crimea.

TotalMayhem
06-11-2015, 05:37 PM
If they felt that they had evidence, they might well keep it under the table and use it in negotiations on, say, Donbass and Crimea.

Well, that certainly makes for a cute conspiracy theory.

But hey, maybe it was the orcas? Watch them killer whales hurling seal missiles during an air defense execise. :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7WGIH35JBE

C. Flower
06-11-2015, 05:38 PM
Well, that certainly makes for a cute conspiracy theory.

But hey, maybe it was the orcas? Watch them killer whales hurling seal missiles during an air defense execise. :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7WGIH35JBE

I see that you have dismissed the "meteor" theory out of hand.

C. Flower
06-11-2015, 05:38 PM
Meanwhile, back to reality

....Agence France-Presse @AFP
(https://twitter.com/AFP)#BREAKING (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BREAKING) Russian plane black boxes point to attack: source close to probe

TotalMayhem
06-11-2015, 05:47 PM
AFP = Reality? Good to know. :D

AFP is at the forefront of media outlets telling us that the Russians are bombing the cr4p out of anti-Assad rebels rather than ISIS. If anything, ISIS should see the Rooskies as their allies, what motive do they have to bomb a Russian airliner when there were sh*tloads of British and French (ISIS' sworn enemies) planes to bomb in Sharm el-Sheikh?

C. Flower
06-11-2015, 06:22 PM
AFP = Reality? Good to know. :D

AFP is at the forefront of media outlets telling us that the Russians are bombing the cr4p out of anti-Assad rebels rather than ISIS. If anything, ISIS should see the Rooskies as their allies, what motive do they have to bomb a Russian airliner when there were sh*tloads of British and French (ISIS' sworn enemies) planes to bomb in Sharm el-Sheikh?

It doesn't mention a bomb.

I'm not inclined to rush to any conclusion on this.

TotalMayhem
06-11-2015, 06:41 PM
The airline hasn't paid its staff in two months.

Link (http://qz.com/540027/the-russian-airline-behind-a-fatal-plane-crash-hasnt-paid-its-staff-in-two-months/)

Andrew49
06-11-2015, 06:42 PM
I still think pieces are being moved on the board and we're heading towards world conflagration .... the murder of over 200 souls on 31st October mightn't even make it as a footnote on any history of the coming war.

pluralist
07-11-2015, 02:27 AM
Hmmm!



http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/putin-aide-found-dead-in-irish-owned-hotel-in-us-1.2420696

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-media-czar-brad-pitt-movie-2014-8?IR=T

pluralist
07-11-2015, 02:42 AM
I still think pieces are being moved on the board and we're heading towards world conflagration .... the murder of over 200 souls on 31st October mightn't even make it as a footnote on any history of the coming war.

I'd disagree. No chance of a world conflagration.

There's no grand conspiracy - just international money laundering mafias taking care of business, as per usual.

TotalMayhem
07-11-2015, 11:59 AM
In August a British Airliner dodged a missile above Sharm el-Sheikh that passed within 1000 feet of the aircraft.

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11981239/Russian-plane-crash-sharm-el-sheikh-stranded-British-tourists-missile-latest-updates.html)

C. Flower
07-11-2015, 04:42 PM
Hmmm!


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/putin-aide-found-dead-in-irish-owned-hotel-in-us-1.2420696

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-media-czar-brad-pitt-movie-2014-8?IR=T

Certainly interesting, but do you see a connection with the plane crash ?


"seen as the mastermind" behind Putin's launch of the international news network RT, which U.S. officials have described as a "propaganda bullhorn" for Moscow (http://www.businessinsider.com/john-kerry-rt-propaganda-bullhorn-russia-today-2014-4).

C. Flower
07-11-2015, 04:48 PM
In August a British Airliner dodged a missile above Sharm el-Sheikh that passed within 1000 feet of the aircraft.

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11981239/Russian-plane-crash-sharm-el-sheikh-stranded-British-tourists-missile-latest-updates.html)

Well indeed. Military accident, whether Egyptian or from the Israel/German/Polish/Greek/US exercise in the Negev, has to be considered as a possible cause. The history of this type of incident is that the perpetrators deny.

The US claim to have a suspect recording of ISIS both before and after the incident could be genuine, or could be distraction material.

23:51 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11981239/Russian-plane-crash-sharm-el-sheikh-stranded-British-tourists-missile-latest-updates.html#update-20151107-2351)

British holiday jet had to "evade" military missileA Thomson flight with 189 passengers on board had to avoid a military missile when landing at Sharm el-Sheikh airport just over two months ago.
According to one report, the missile came within 1000 feet of the flight packed with British holidaymakers.
Both the airline and the Department for Transport confirmed that an incident had taken place on August 23.
A spokesman for the DfT said: “We investigated the reported incident at the time and concluded that it was not a targeted attack and was likely to be connected to routine exercises being conducted by the Egyptian military in the area at the time.”
The Daily Mail, quoting an unnamed source, said the pilot had to veer left to avoid the missile.
A spokesman for Thomson added: “Upon landing into Sharm el-Sheikh, an initial assessment was conducted and the event was immediately reported to the UK Department for Transport (DfT) in line with established protocol.
“The DfT conducted a full investigation in conjunction with other UK Government experts.
“After reviewing the details of the case, the investigation concluded that there was no cause for concern and it was safe to continue our flying programme to Sharm el-Sheikh.”

C. Flower
08-11-2015, 11:34 AM
Trident missile launched from sub has just "spooked" Californians.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34759177

TotalMayhem
08-11-2015, 12:42 PM
LOL... the Trident is not an anti-aircraft missile. And the authorities have been informed about the test launch.

An intercontinental missile launched at nighttime can be seen hundreds of miles away. And Californians are not easily "spooked" by such occurences, they're used to dozens of ballistic missiles being launched at Vandenberg Air Force Base every year.

http://i.imgur.com/BndJQmM.jpg

Nightime launch at Vandenberg, seen from Phoenix, Arizona (more than 500 miles away).

TotalMayhem
08-11-2015, 12:57 PM
And speaking of the Trident. We almost had the British Trident submarine fleet rehomed to Ireland. Talk was to move them to Belfast Lough in case of Scottish independence. ;)

C. Flower
08-11-2015, 01:46 PM
And speaking of the Trident. We almost had the British Trident submarine fleet rehomed to Ireland. Talk was to move them to Belfast Lough in case of Scottish independence. ;)

Any link for that ? I'm looking at WW3 continency plans for Ireland at the moment, and it adds to the picture.

I didn't for one minute think a Trident as an anti aircraft weapon. This particular test did impinge on flight schedules, which had to be altered. There is too much junk up there these days, taking satellite detritus, drones, and missile tests into account.

However the latest from the French press is that there was a "close to source" explosion, in the case of the Sinai crash.

TotalMayhem
08-11-2015, 01:57 PM
Any link for that ? I'm looking at WW3 continency plans for Ireland at the moment, and it adds to the picture.

Trident nuclear missiles heading for Belfast Lough? (http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/23259)

C. Flower
08-11-2015, 02:12 PM
Trident nuclear missiles heading for Belfast Lough? (http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/23259)

I was talking about UK plans for Ireland.

TotalMayhem
08-11-2015, 02:28 PM
In case of WW3? ^^

TotalMayhem
08-11-2015, 02:37 PM
Well, Ireland is certainly considered an "area of interest" by the Brits. The Royal Air Force frequently shadows Putin's nuke bombers along the West coast of Ireland.