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TotalMayhem
28-09-2014, 11:19 PM
80,000 students in the Hong Kong Business District <MOD>

http://i.imgur.com/5LtObLW.jpg

People's Armed Police-with the help of water guns, chemical agents, rubber bullets and batons-are desperately trying to put an end to this heinous lawless fascist act and restore order and save Communism.

http://i.imgur.com/cmCKo42.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1wHQnHC.jpg

C. Flower
03-10-2014, 07:55 AM
The police were withdrawn for the last couple of days, and student leaders have accepted an invitation to a meeting by the government of the Hong Kong territory.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-warns-chaos-hong-kong-protests-persist-25908570

The issue is whether or not election candidates will be "vetted."

There is much about this which raises the usual "Colour Revolution" questions - do Democracy Movements bring more and better democracy ? as well as of course the character of the Chinese State.

The OP raised this issue but was modded due the provocative wording.

Binn Beal
03-10-2014, 09:59 AM
I see the Socialist Party's newsletter is taking the line of courageous fighters for democracy against tyranny. Bringing about a counter-revollution in China would be the biggest victory for the US and would give western capitalism a whole new lease of life. I'm sure they are drooling in Washington and Berlin over the prospect of a a break-up of China into many waring statlets all supplied with expensive armaments from US, UK, France etc. And the people of Ireland and the rest of the world would have to go back to buying dearer and less-well-made consumer goods - not to mention the fracking in the Gobi by young Biden.

Of course, maybe the central government deserves a good shake up but these 'popular' protests have proven to be either fronts for reaction or have been taken over and manipulated by the US in the recent past, as in several Arab countries, Ukraine, Thailand and Venezuela. Hopefully wise counsel will prevail in Beijing and a peaceful negotiation take place. Any heavy-handed action could lead to a Ukrainian-style disaster or an grand scale.

C. Flower
03-10-2014, 10:51 AM
]I see the Socialist Party's newsletter is taking the line of courageous fighters for democracy against tyranny.[/B] Bringing about a counter-revollution in China would be the biggest victory for the US and would give western capitalism a whole new lease of life. I'm sure they are drooling in Washington and Berlin over the prospect of a a break-up of China into many waring statlets all supplied with expensive armaments from US, UK, France etc. And the people of Ireland and the rest of the world would have to go back to buying dearer and less-well-made consumer goods - not to mention the fracking in the Gobi by young Biden.

Of course, maybe the central government deserves a good shake up but these 'popular' protests have proven to be either fronts for reaction or have been taken over and manipulated by the US in the recent past, as in several Arab countries, Ukraine, Thailand and Venezuela. Hopefully wise counsel will prevail in Beijing and a peaceful negotiation take place. Any heavy-handed action could lead to a Ukrainian-style disaster or an grand scale.

The same with the SWP.

If they were "stagists" at least they could put some kind of socialist gloss on that position,well - sort of - but as alleged Trotskyists, how can they possibly justify it ?

One of the most important aspects of modern elections is the selection of candidates to suit one's agenda - as was very clear from the Nuland Pyatt tape.

Candidate selection is usually carried out by a tiny proportion of the population and is easily manipulated.

The US has been using mass demonstrations as a cover for putsch at least back to the 1950s when the Shah of Iran was installed. Calling for getting rid of one leader, without knowing exactly what and who you want to replace them with, is asking for trouble.

C. Flower
03-10-2014, 05:29 PM
Reports this evening are saying that students today were outnumbered by big crowds of local people, including business people, shouting at them to go home. Not unusual after days of blockage of the main business district, and happened in Arab Spring occupations. Students are saying there were hired thugs, and called off the talks with the territory government.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/fights-break-out-between/1396112.html