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fluffybiscuits
30-12-2013, 04:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable


Operation Unthinkable was a code-name of two related plans of a conflict between the Western Allies and the Soviet Union. Both were ordered by British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in 1945 and developed by the British Armed Forces' Joint Planning Staff at the end of World War II in Europe.

Churchill, in the aftermath of World War 2 went about drawing up plans to dominate Europe by invading the USSR. At the time the USSE had a fleet that spread from Rostock in the North of Eastern Germany to the Istrian peninsula in the former Yugloslavia . Soviets had more man power than the allies with Russian manpower in their favour of a ratio of 4:1. In the end given the manpower of the USSR, the idea was thrown out the window when they realised the war would have to be won by the winter as the Winter favoured the Russians who would have been better prepared....

C. Flower
30-12-2013, 04:30 PM
I've just added to the thread title, as some people interested in this topic might otherwise miss it.

Illuminating stuff.

fluffybiscuits
30-12-2013, 04:31 PM
Cheers Cass

Been mulling over what might have been the end result if they had gone ahead. The US was too engaged in the Pacific to care.

fluffybiscuits
30-12-2013, 04:35 PM
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/operation_unthinkable.htm

Churchill on his distaste for the USSR





“Terrible things have happened. A tide of Russian domination is sweeping forward. After it (the war) is over, the territories under Russian control will include the Baltic provinces, all of eastern German, all Czechoslovakia, a large part of Austria, the whole of Yugoslavia, Rumania and Bulgaria. This constitutes one of the most melancholy events in the history of Europe and one to which there has been no parallel. It is to an early and speedy showdown and settlement with Russia that we must now turn our hopes.”

Holly
30-12-2013, 04:56 PM
The English were happy to fraternize with the Bolshies until Germany/Austria was defeated then they were ready to criticize the communist system.

C. Flower
30-12-2013, 05:30 PM
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/operation_unthinkable.htm

Churchill on his distaste for the USSR

The feeling was I'm sure mutual. Churchill was a gruesome embodiment of the worst aspects of Imperialism.

Slim Buddha
30-12-2013, 07:44 PM
The Red Army would have wiped the floor with them.

C. Flower
30-12-2013, 08:13 PM
The Red Army would have wiped the floor with them.

Churchill was making his plans in June 45.

In July he was put out of office in a landslide General Election, defeated by Labour, who stood on a radical social reform agenda, including a free national health service.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/election_01.shtml

Then, Aug 6th and 9th, the US dropped nuclear bombs on Japan, already a beaten country, a clear warning to the USSR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Ultimately, the costs of trying to outpace the US threat contributed to the end of the USSR.

fluffybiscuits
02-01-2014, 02:20 PM
The Red Army would have wiped the floor with them.

With the ratio of man power (and tanks of 2:1) Britian would not have stood a chance.

Reading up some more on the topic this foot note is worth mentioning

https://www.winstonchurchill.org/images/finesthour/vol.01%20no.147.pdf#page=41


Churchill’s proposal to invade western Sumatra was completely unrelated
to any military advantage. His Operation Unthinkable envisaged war with
the Soviet Union in order to get a “square deal” for Poland. In May 1945, when,
at his behest, British military planners offered a bizarre scheme that included
strategic bombing and a surprise attack by forty-seven U.S. and British divisions in
eastern Germany, Churchill

What is meant by a square deal for Poland? http://howitreallywas.typepad.com/how_it_really_was/2009/09/operation-unthinkable.html

Poland would be open to democracy with leaders from all parties being invited to pariticpate in talks to find an agreement. The threat that the British felt was posed by the USSR was existing even into the fifties . A speech by Churchill in 1954 is said to have contained the following:


telegraphed to Lord Montgomery directing him to be careful in collecting the German arms, to stack them so they could easily be issued again to the German soldiers whom we should have to work with if the Soviet advance continued.”

C. Flower
02-01-2014, 02:24 PM
The British electorate did well to give Churchill the boot and put their money into the Welfare State instead of arms.

fluffybiscuits
02-01-2014, 03:12 PM
The British electorate did well to give Churchill the boot and put their money into the Welfare State instead of arms.

A war would have been beenficial for the arms industry, not unlike today...

Thom
06-03-2014, 08:51 AM
The British electorate did well to give Churchill the boot and put their money into the Welfare State instead of arms.

Aside from that, the US-General Patton had the same idea to re-arm the defeated German Army and go against the Soviets. That idea made public by himself and his hostile behaviour towards the Soviets put him into trouble with General Eisenhower. Im not sure whether Patton knew about the plans of the British to go against the Soviets.

fluffybiscuits
06-03-2014, 03:40 PM
Aside from that, the US-General Patton had the same idea to re-arm the defeated German Army and go against the Soviets. That idea made public by himself and his hostile behaviour towards the Soviets put him into trouble with General Eisenhower. Im not sure whether Patton knew about the plans of the British to go against the Soviets.

The Russians would have just starved them into submission....!