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Sam Lord
25-11-2013, 02:57 PM
Doing pretty well by all accounts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25019716

C. Flower
25-11-2013, 03:08 PM
Doing pretty well by all accounts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25019716

That sounds sort of utopian, in an odd and backward-looking kind of a way.

Not doing so well in London ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25084830

Saoirse go Deo
25-11-2013, 03:11 PM
That sounds sort of utopian, in an odd and backward-looking kind of a way.

Not doing so well in London ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25084830

Bit lazy to link the two

Sam Lord
25-11-2013, 03:40 PM
That sounds sort of utopian, in an odd and backward-looking kind of a way.


Well, it's not socialism that's for sure. But they do work collectively which is not a bad message in today's world. Also, it's kinda cute.



Not doing so well in London ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25084830

Not sure (again) of your point ...

C. Flower
25-11-2013, 05:18 PM
Bit lazy to link the two

Yes and no.

They are both post-Mao collectives and it seems went in very different directions.

The Chinese collective sounds a bit more like an Amish settlement or one of the Spanish co-ops - working well for the people in it.

Sam Lord
26-11-2013, 07:25 AM
Well, it's not socialism that's for sure. But they do work collectively which is not a bad message in today's world. Also, it's kinda cute.


Actually, I've been thinking about it and I see no reason why it should not be described as socialism. In their village their is no private ownership of the means of production and no exploitation of wage labour. Production is to meet the needs of the villagers and not for profit.

Sam Lord
26-11-2013, 07:26 AM
That sounds sort of utopian, in an odd and backward-looking kind of a way.



There is nothing "utopian" about it. The place exists and has done so for decades and works in the manner it was envisaged to work.

Sam Lord
26-11-2013, 07:31 AM
The Chinese collective sounds a bit more like an Amish settlement or one of the Spanish co-ops - working well for the people in it.

You clearly know nothing about the Amish. All the ones I know own their own farms ... it is their private property. There are not a few who have their own businesses as well and some have dome quite well.

This village has nothing in common with the Spanish co-ops which seem to me to be more like transnational corporations with a large ownership base who exploit workers in cheap labour countries.

Sam Lord
26-11-2013, 07:41 AM
Mondragon:



Although Mondragon still pushes its "cooperative" worker-friendly image, publishing bullshit reports on how it is concerned about the effects on globalization on the local workforce, for example in Spain, Mondragón Cooperative Corporation (MCC) is a typical capitalist employer operating plants in low-wage countries like Poland, Egypt, Morocco, Mexico, Thailand and China. Employees in these countries are not co-op members. (Some employees in other countries, even in Spain are also non-members; as many as 1/3 of Mondragon workers are not cooperative members. Any cooperative can also apply to MCC to employ up to 40% non-cooperative workers.)


http://trustcurrency.blogspot.jp/2011/01/mondragon-cooperative-built-on.html

C. Flower
26-11-2013, 07:56 AM
Does the Chinese co-op sell its goods into the private market ?

Sam Lord
26-11-2013, 08:13 AM
Does the Chinese co-op sell its goods into the private market ?

I presumes it trades beyond the village.