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Dr. FIVE
14-10-2013, 07:00 PM
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Saoirse go Deo
14-10-2013, 07:13 PM
What a joke

C. Flower
14-10-2013, 07:16 PM
At least they didn't feel the need to stage a phony "Incident" before doing it.

Oh....

Seán Ryan
14-10-2013, 07:20 PM
I kinda like the idea of the parliament having to sit imprisoned within a garda ring of steel.

Hope it's a better ring of steel than the various rings of steel that were put around Shannon airport. Wouldn't do to have some feckin' hippies show up to take from the polished look.

This latest ring of steel might be some sort of highbrow way of circumnavigating the ban on garda protests...

morticia
14-10-2013, 08:12 PM
I'm just mildly wondering exactly which measures they feel justify the security. Gulp!

Dr. FIVE
14-10-2013, 08:22 PM
pensioners

household benefits/telephone allowance to go according to RTÉ this evening.

(one of the) Last big pushes against universal benefits tomorrow

morticia
14-10-2013, 08:29 PM
In fairness, the pensioners have taken few hits in the last few years and arguably it is a worse crime to blight the lives of young children and their education (the future). Having said all that, it's an appalling choice to have to make.

Of course what they should be doing is making common cause with the other peripherals and demanding money printing with menaces en masse, "or we'll all leave the Euro". But if you're going to go with austerity, families really need a break right now. And if they cut family budgets again, the banks' little mortgage issue will get worse. Pensioners tend to not have debts to the same extent.

C. Flower
14-10-2013, 08:33 PM
Meanwhile the billionaires in many cases pay no (or virtually no) tax.

DCon
14-10-2013, 09:10 PM
The Dail bar will be rocking if there is a lockdown

Most of them will still be drunk for the Budget speech

DCon
15-10-2013, 12:33 PM
"Ring of steel"


A ring of steel has being put in place around the Dáil in advance of a protest timed for the Budget announcement this afternoon.

As many as 1,000 gardaí, including the riot squad, have been drafted in

Around 15-20,000 people are expected to attend the demonstrations.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/budget/breaking/ring-of-steel-around-dail-ahead-of-budget-protest-610148.html

grainne whale
15-10-2013, 02:44 PM
I just find it ironic that a democratically elected government take those measures.

C. Flower
15-10-2013, 02:53 PM
Any news from the demonstrations ?

C. Flower
15-10-2013, 11:44 PM
Covered only on Vincent Browne.

Only a max of 60 protestors at any one time, and massed ranks of Gardai and vans.

What was this Indo report of an expected 25,000 ?

Figure generated by their polling experts ?

Seán Ryan
16-10-2013, 12:38 AM
Covered only on Vincent Browne.

Only a max of 60 protestors at any one time, and massed ranks of Gardai and vans.

What was this Indo report of an expected 25,000 ?

Figure generated by their polling experts ?

The 25,000 probably came from garda intelligence. That needs no further comment from me.

Everyone knew this was going to be a relatively soft budget. But the gardaí will use any excuse to practice intimidating and coercing the population to remain supine. That it resembles someone using a sledgehammer to kill a fly doesn't phase them or mostly anyone else. They don't even have to justify a budget for such things, even though stations are being closed and they're driving around in pieces of clapped out shíte. Money spent on keeping a population docile is money well spent. And when you've got Neanderthals who like nothing more than busting skulls, aplenty, you're keeping costs at a minimum. Money well spent.

C. Flower
16-10-2013, 12:41 AM
The 25,000 probably came from garda intelligence. That needs no further comment from me.

Everyone knew this was going to be a relatively soft budget. But the gardaí will use any excuse to practice intimidating and coercing the population to remain supine. That it resembles someone using a sledgehammer to kill a fly doesn't phase them or mostly anyone else. They don't even have to justify a budget for such things, even though stations are being closed and they're driving around in pieces of clapped out shíte. Money spent on keeping a population docile is money well spent. And when you've got Neanderthals who like nothing more than busting skulls, aplenty, you're keeping costs at a minimum. Money well spent.

I don't see nearly 3 billion in cuts as a soft budget.

C. Flower
16-10-2013, 12:45 AM
RT @wearerabble: Worth noting that the fancy barriers at the Dáil are hired from Denis O'Brien's co. Eventserv 45 minutes ago

Seán Ryan
16-10-2013, 12:47 AM
"Ring of steel"



http://www.irishexaminer.com/budget/breaking/ring-of-steel-around-dail-ahead-of-budget-protest-610148.html

That's a phrase that keeps coming back to bite in the árse. No positive story, in regard to the gardaí, has ever resulted from a garda "ring of steel." The very idea of such an entity is quite laughable. That the media band the idea of it about is ultimately, satisfying. At some level, it must embarrass any garda, who knows the score and who sees it. Real facepalm stuff. Real comedy gold.

Seán Ryan
16-10-2013, 12:50 AM
I don't see nearly 3 billion in cuts as a soft budget.

Me neither. That's why I described it as being seen as relatively soft. It'll be a very soft budget compared to the next one and the following one.

Dr. FIVE
16-10-2013, 01:32 AM
Worth noting that the fancy barriers at the Dáil are hired from Denis O'Brien's co. Eventserv

pure brilliance, you have to hand it to him

Apjp
16-10-2013, 04:30 AM
just watched mings speech. thinking of throwing the hat in for the town council as an independent. Just so so tired of sitting around doing nothing while we get screwed year after year. At the very least people like Flanagan offer proof that with enough persistence over a period of time you can build up support and opposition.

Drogheda is probably the most deprived town on the commuter belt too. Unemployment is around thirty percent locally.

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Binn Beal
16-10-2013, 09:39 AM
I wouldn't want to dissuade you from standing but, as you haven't been active, it might be a better idea to work for another candidate. There will only ever be one person who represents your views 100% and that's yourself but there must be candidates in Drogheda who come close. Have you sussed out Sinn Féin, the Socialist Party and any others?

Apjp
16-10-2013, 09:49 AM
I wouldn't want to dissuade you from standing but, as you haven't been active, it might be a better idea to work for another candidate. There will only ever be one person who represents your views 100% and that's yourself but there must be candidates in Drogheda who come close. Have you sussed out Sinn Féin, the Socialist Party and any others?

you know im not sure on this. Sf have a lot of stuff I agree with but they don't go far enough atm for me. ie the euro is a disaster imo and we need a gradual reintroduction of the punt. plus half my family would disown me if I canvassed with gerry adams. He has a lot of baggage especially for meath people a lot of whom are very conservative and see the ni conflict through one certain perspective.

In all likelihood I will. canvass for broad left candidates though I fall somewhere between themselves and sf. Im going to this left forum thing anyways as sf ula et al should be co operating where possible inthe interest of offering a bolstered opposition post 2014
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musashi
16-10-2013, 12:06 PM
Turnout yesterday was crap. There were more garda than protestors.
The Irish population has never seemed more complacent/passive.

C. Flower
16-10-2013, 12:41 PM
Turnout yesterday was crap. There were more garda than protestors.
The Irish population has never seemed more complacent/passive.

There had already been two pre-budget protests. There was very little publicity about anything for budget day.

Also, difficult to get anyone to protest about something that might happen.

C. Flower
16-10-2013, 12:42 PM
By the way, someone should be questioning where the (Garda?) figure of 25,000 came from.

How much overtime will be paid out for yesterday's little exercise.

Saoirse go Deo
16-10-2013, 01:03 PM
just watched mings speech. thinking of throwing the hat in for the town council as an independent. Just so so tired of sitting around doing nothing while we get screwed year after year. At the very least people like Flanagan offer proof that with enough persistence over a period of time you can build up support and opposition.

Drogheda is probably the most deprived town on the commuter belt too. Unemployment is around thirty percent locally.

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This mightn't be popular but I think that it is a waste of time becoming a Councillor if you want to use that position to force change. You spend a lot of time talking complete nonsense with idiots and the rest dealing with important, but in the grand scheme of things inane problems which are merely symptoms of the wider problems in our society. You get nowhere near tackling the actual cause of the problem, you just end up playing the system to help people. Commendable, but ultimately a waste of time. If after much hard work trying to stem back the tide you manage to build up a profile and get elected to the Dáil, like Ming, you are still pretty much powerless to implement any change. Also you have nothing approaching a political movement, you have personality politics.

As things go on I'm leaning towards thinking that the solution will have to be a movement which shuns our farcical electoral politics and builds a movement of people. Electoral fetishism, subservience to the establishment and media, because of the rules of their game, destroys radicalism. You can see this with SF and especially the ULA. At the start it was stated that it was not, nor would be, a radical or revolutionary group - ie the softly softly approach, a waste of everyone's time.

You are right though, I'm from Drogheda too and the place has always been very deprived, a couple of shopping centers which came late in the game put a bit of veneer on things.

C. Flower
16-10-2013, 01:39 PM
This mightn't be popular but I think that it is a waste of time becoming a Councillor if you want to use that position to force change. You spend a lot of time talking complete nonsense with idiots and the rest dealing with important, but in the grand scheme of things inane problems which are merely symptoms of the wider problems in our society. You get nowhere near tackling the actual cause of the problem, you just end up playing the system to help people. Commendable, but ultimately a waste of time. If after much hard work trying to stem back the tide you manage to build up a profile and get elected to the Dáil, like Ming, you are still pretty much powerless to implement any change. Also you have nothing approaching a political movement, you have personality politics.

As things go on I'm leaning towards thinking that the solution will have to be a movement which shuns our farcical electoral politics and builds a movement of people. Electoral fetishism, subservience to the establishment and media, because of the rules of their game, destroys radicalism. You can see this with SF and especially the ULA. At the start it was stated that it was not, nor would be, a radical or revolutionary group - ie the softly softly approach, a waste of everyone's time.

You are right though, I'm from Drogheda too and the place has always been very deprived, a couple of shopping centers which came late in the game put a bit of veneer on things.

There are different ways of using elections. Bernadettel McAliskey did a pretty good job at it. So did Seamus Costello - Costello was involved in local government and I think to good effect. But in taking part people need to make it clear if they don't think elections will solve anything fundamental.

Elections are an important platform for putting forward the position of any party.

Dr. FIVE
16-10-2013, 01:41 PM
Every seat taken from the Parties, at any level, is a win

Binn Beal
18-10-2013, 10:08 AM
Every seat taken from the Parties, at any level, is a win
A win for the individual who gets the seat and nobody else.

C. Flower
18-10-2013, 10:39 AM
A win for the individual who gets the seat and nobody else.

Even if they wre to go in at the average industrial wage, or at social welfare level, say ?

Apjp
18-10-2013, 11:04 AM
don't worry I ain't running anyways. More worries on my mind. Might canvass though if still around.

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