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C. Flower
14-10-2013, 05:18 PM
Joan Burton's Department has made it known that benefits for new under 25 claimants will be cut by approximately 40 euros from the present rate.

allowance with those aged between 22 and 24 years receiving €144. The rate for those aged 25 years and over is €188.

A Government source said the €100 rate would be extended to those aged up to 24 years, with €144 payment coming at 25 years and €188 payment at 26 years. The measure is expected to save more than €30 million annually.

The initiative is seen in Government circles as a way of encouraging young people to take up training opportunities or to participate in schemes such as JobBridge and JobsPlus

The obvious effect will be to increase emigration and to deprive the country of some of its best assets.

It is blatantly trying to push people into Jobsbridge and other slave wage schemes.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/benefits-for-new-claimants-under-25-to-be-cut-in-budget-1.1559651

Dr. FIVE
14-10-2013, 06:44 PM
With postgrade funding already gone and this. Noonan could at least stump up for a one way ticket

morticia
14-10-2013, 08:14 PM
I'd love to see the stats on how many young people are actually on the Dole from 18-25 without some attempts to do some sort of work experience?

They could actually improve this a lot by paying the remainder to to those actually enrolled in Jobsbridge or other such training.

But, of course, that wouldn't save money.

Kitty O'Shea
14-10-2013, 08:18 PM
Joan Burton's Department has made it known that benefits for new under 25 claimants will be cut by approximately 40 euros from the present rate.

allowance with those aged between 22 and 24 years receiving €144. The rate for those aged 25 years and over is €188.

A Government source said the €100 rate would be extended to those aged up to 24 years, with €144 payment coming at 25 years and €188 payment at 26 years. The measure is expected to save more than €30 million annually.

The initiative is seen in Government circles as a way of encouraging young people to take up training opportunities or to participate in schemes such as JobBridge and JobsPlus

The obvious effect will be to increase emigration and to deprive the country of some of its best assets.

It is blatantly trying to push people into Jobsbridge and other slave wage schemes.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/benefits-for-new-claimants-under-25-to-be-cut-in-budget-1.1559651
So they are going to cut the "allowance" and discriminate against u-25yrs on slave-bridge! Charming people altogether.

morticia
14-10-2013, 08:24 PM
On the plus side, it appears according to some headline or other I saw today, there's now a shortage of construction industry personnel (presumably because all qualified individuals are now in Canada/NZ/OZ/Blighty/Germany).

They're trying to encourage the "yoof" to get back on building courses; for once, this may be timely.

Help prevent the next bubble by meeting demand, lads!

RaggedTrousers
14-10-2013, 10:10 PM
I'd love to see the stats on how many young people are actually on the Dole from 18-25 without some attempts to do some sort of work experience?

They could actually improve this a lot by paying the remainder to to those actually enrolled in Jobsbridge or other such training.

But, of course, that wouldn't save money.

Its actually very high. Most young people who are long term unemployed are very far removed from the labour market. Our youth NEET (not in employment, education or training) rate at 22% is alarming.

This will be dressed up with some good news about the Youth Guarantee.

C. Flower
14-10-2013, 10:33 PM
Its actually very high. Most young people who are long term unemployed are very far removed from the labour market. Our youth NEET (not in employment, education or training) rate at 22% is alarming.

This will be dressed up with some good news about the Youth Guarantee.

It is. Potentially very damaging to them and to the whole country.

Saoirse go Deo
14-10-2013, 10:39 PM
Young people have been one of the groups which have been hit hardest by austerity.


College fees have gone up a lot from ~ 700 to above 2200. The grant has been reduced and made harder to get. That's leaving aside the many students who don't qualify for it because of their parents income. (For example his or her parents could have both had good jobs and bought a house with a high but manageable mortgage. One of them has lost their job and with the one wage they scrape by, and can't downsize because of negative equity, yet the household income is too high to allow their son or daughter to get the grant). So you have students racking up debt. No child benefit for over eighteens - I'm talking about those who are still reliant on their parents, live with them etc and have their education supported by them. Child benefit has been reduced in any case. Postgraduate grants are gone. ***** pay and contracts if you want to be a teacher or a nurse. Then you have jobbridge, which is being extended. This has destroyed the job market, with employers using "interns" as free labour. Internships are a good idea but they have a very limited scope, they shouldn't be for stacking shelves or manning a cash register. Real jobs are being replaced by this scheme. It is forcing down wages in other jobs. Many young people refuse to do this slave labour, however with their dole getting cut, on which they scrape by, the extra 50 quid a week or whatever it is you get for doing a jobbridge will become a necessity, so expect to see more young people doing these internships, and Burton blabbing on about lower youth unemployment. No wonder so many young people are committing suicide. You can't even get a trade now either.

The message is clear, the government want young people to leave and go to another country.

Shaadi
14-10-2013, 10:48 PM
Young people have been one of the groups which have been hit hardest by austerity.


College fees have gone up a lot from ~ 700 to above 2200. The grant has been reduced and made harder to get. That's leaving aside the many students who don't qualify for it because of their parents income. (For example his or her parents could have both had good jobs and bought a house with a high but manageable mortgage. One of them has lost their job and with the one wage they scrape by, and can't downsize because of negative equity, yet the household income is too high to allow their son or daughter to get the grant). So you have students racking up debt. No child benefit for over eighteens - I'm talking about those who are still reliant on their parents, live with them etc and have their education supported by them. Child benefit has been reduced in any case. Postgraduate grants are gone. ***** pay and contracts if you want to be a teacher or a nurse. Then you have jobbridge, which is being extended. This has destroyed the job market, with employers using "interns" as free labour. Internships are a good idea but they have a very limited scope, they shouldn't be for stacking shelves or manning a cash register. Real jobs are being replaced by this scheme. It is forcing down wages in other jobs. Many young people refuse to do this slave labour however with their dole getting cut, on which they scrape by, the extra 50 quid a week or whatever it is you get for doing a jobbridge will become a necessity, so expect to see more young people doing these internships, and Burton blabbing on about lower youth unemployment. No wonder so many young people are committing suicide. You can't even get a trade now either.

The message is clear, the government want young people to leave and go to another country.Cheap Labour or take a hike, that's the future while the oldies continue to pull up the ladder.

Apjp
15-10-2013, 12:08 AM
Don't expect sympathy here though. Lots of people prefer young people to be cut than them. We hear it every year when some pensioners group is out in front of the dail saying young people should not get the same amount as people who worked all their lives. if you ask me everyone from the pensioners to the teachers are happy to see us being hit as they see it as better us than them. This will polarise society and radicalise it perhaps as young people vote either with their feet or for sf indos et al who are the only ones seen not to be rowing in behind this

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morticia
15-10-2013, 10:32 PM
To be honest, this budget finally cut the pensioners as well. In the event that they feel the need to continue with austerity (rather than ganging up on the ECB with the rest if the peripherals, which would be my preferred option), it's about time they did this. Any more cuts on the mortgaged 30-50 somethings will bring the banks down and that is the last thing we need. It really can't happen if we are to stay afloat at all. Of course, as McWilliams has pointed out, there's the leave the Euro option too....why are the peripherals so averse to teaming up and threatening just that?? But if that's not currently on the table, what they've just done is the only option.

Perhaps not for much longer though. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in today's Torygraph thinks Marine Le Pen might win the next major French elections and she's promising a Frexit. Perhaps this is a Tory hard right wet dream, but maybe not. I've a feeling the current status quo may not last too much longer.

ang
16-10-2013, 05:16 AM
Cutting the young further deprives local economies. Like it or not these are the very group who probably spend every last cent supporting local economies whilst other age groups are busy pouring money into bottomless pits of banks who are NOT supporting economies !

Apjp
16-10-2013, 05:56 AM
that's right morticia. Fascism is coming in one way or another be it merkelism or whatever. Le Pen is very popular and France is an increasingly racist society toward arabs and romans.

The net effect is euro exit for us hopefully and unfortunately a possible economic conflict between france and Germany which as we know may renew old hatreds.

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Slim Buddha
16-10-2013, 09:55 AM
To be honest, this budget finally cut the pensioners as well. In the event that they feel the need to continue with austerity (rather than ganging up on the ECB with the rest if the peripherals, which would be my preferred option), it's about time they did this. Any more cuts on the mortgaged 30-50 somethings will bring the banks down and that is the last thing we need. It really can't happen if we are to stay afloat at all. Of course, as McWilliams has pointed out, there's the leave the Euro option too....why are the peripherals so averse to teaming up and threatening just that?? But if that's not currently on the table, what they've just done is the only option.

Perhaps not for much longer though. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in today's Torygraph thinks Marine Le Pen might win the next major French elections and she's promising a Frexit. Perhaps this is a Tory hard right wet dream, but maybe not. I've a feeling the current status quo may not last too much longer.

Destroying the banks was what we desperately needed in 2008. Had we wiped them out then, we would be sitting pretty today. Unfortunately we allowed zombie institutions live on in some form or other for zero gain. Insolvency law should have been applied to them, same as any other private company.

C. Flower
17-10-2013, 10:55 AM
A very nasty cut, and attack on youth. The manner of doing it as with other cuts "for new entrants" is a sick kind of a divisiveness, in which random people are denied a place on the safety raft and kicked off to sea, for no reason other than that it will rock the boat less to do it this way.

DCon
17-10-2013, 12:48 PM
I think this was mlikely a decision based on the likelihood of young people voting.

A cunning government would not care about those they are encoiuraging to emigrate (as the vote is denied to citizens not living in the country) and they may not care about people who stay but are unlikely to vote

riposte
17-10-2013, 01:19 PM
Riposte speaks about the budget on Liveline.

at 36 minutes in......http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10207155%3A53%3A16-10-2013%3A

C. Flower
17-10-2013, 01:41 PM
Riposte speaks about the budget on Liveline.

at 36 minutes in......http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10207155%3A53%3A16-10-2013%3A

Ah, I thought I recognised that voice :)

Well done.

Dr. FIVE
17-10-2013, 05:25 PM
Joan 'checkpoints' Burton has been invited to open the Annual Irish Labour History Society Conference.

One speaker (Conor McCabe) has pulled out already, hopefully the start of trend

Shaadi
17-10-2013, 09:06 PM
Riposte speaks about the budget on Liveline.

at 36 minutes in......http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10207155%3A53%3A16-10-2013%3AGood work riposte, the message needs to get out there that they're engaged in an insidious campaign to hollow out the welfare state while protecting core rates for the voter blocks which will return a combination of FF-FG or Labour at the next GE. With 5 more years secured for the Troika parties then core rates themselves will be turned on.

The job of stripping out the welfare state will have been completed in little over 10 years from start to finish and on the orders of the neo-liberals running the EU. We'll be living in a country with the income disparities of the US but with the taxes of a Socialist state.

The worst of both worlds!

Apjp
27-10-2013, 01:23 PM
Good work riposte, the message needs to get out there that they're engaged in an insidious campaign to hollow out the welfare state while protecting core rates for the voter blocks which will return a combination of FF-FG or Labour at the next GE. With 5 more years secured for the Troika parties then core rates themselves will be turned on.

The job of stripping out the welfare state will have been completed in little over 10 years from start to finish and on the orders of the neo-liberals running the EU. We'll be living in a country with the income disparities of the US but with the taxes of a Socialist state.

The worst of both worlds!

After losing my job and my flat, this post got me thinking hard about what will happen if I sit around here and cannot find another job. My medical card would probably be gone by next year-my dole when it did come would be 100 a week and almost impossible to rent and feed yourself on, and I would have to be unemployed a year just to take a FAS course. In light of all this I haven't bothered signing on as again I got anything back I knew I would have a job lined up abroad. I got offered a job as an editor of tourist documents in Istanbul for six months so am taking that. Would have posted it in the emigration thread but the recent makeover makes that hard to find on here.

Tried to fight this for a while but once you lose everything it becomes a straight choice between using what money you have left to make a choice-not if you leave but where you go. I'm just glad I am getting out before I am trapped on 100 a week. It's becoming a really cruel society to live in, even by our own standards of shunning the young, aged, sick and vulnerable and I think we are crossing a Rubicon here in terms of neoliberalism. In ten years Ireland will be a hyrbid Thatcherite society as Shaadi says and that's not the kind of place for anyone who has a choice to live in.

Heart goes out to those trapped in negative equity and others whose wages keep falling(I have family in both those categories). But it really is a case of getting out and staying out for the foreseeable future until people stop shunning others to hang onto their few pence and demand some tangible change. I'm gone in three weeks. Might come back for the odd family occasion or to vote but no point staying here and hoping they beat us a little bit less next year.