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goatstoe
13-10-2013, 02:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aOJ93tAbPP0

Short video about wealth distribution in Britain, wonder is it similar here.

C. Flower
13-10-2013, 08:24 PM
That is interesting. I think I saw something similar produced in the US. In general, people want fairness and that is perceived as quite equal, with a bit extra for people who make a big effort or who have exceptional ability. The reality is not in any way related to that, it is a function of capital to act like a rolling snowball, gathering up mass.

Just reading about JP McManus, who has made money through tax reliefs and well used connectedness, and by buying and selling. He was a big Anglo borrower. He is currently completing a €150 million holiday home in Bermuda.
And then there is this chap who is trying to get his medical card back.

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1376477_435064979931296_256990228_n.jpg

C. Flower
15-10-2013, 11:05 PM
Ireland - 20th among unequals, in the EU.

http://www.publicpolicy.ie/income-inequality-ireland-2/

Andrew49
16-10-2013, 10:56 AM
But inequality and poverty IS being tackled in Ireland - and quite cynically. 5,400 people are dying each year due to inequality - LINK (http://drugsinfonewslineireland.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/tackling-health-inequality-would-save-lives/)- well that was the figure in 2007 during the 'boom'. Policies implemented since must surely have increased that attrition rate!

C. Flower
16-10-2013, 11:55 AM
But inequality and poverty IS being tackled in Ireland - and quite cynically. 5,400 people are dying each year due to inequality - LINK (http://drugsinfonewslineireland.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/tackling-health-inequality-would-save-lives/)- well that was the figure in 2007 during the 'boom'. Policies implemented since must surely have increased that attrition rate!

The budget will make access to health care more difficult and expensive. The cut of the phone grant for retired people is particularly nasty, as in Ireland people live in such a spread out way, and there has been so much emigration.

Dr. FIVE
16-10-2013, 12:16 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWkfKNKCcAAuamO.jpg

Andrew49
17-10-2013, 10:04 AM
Ireland is expected to qualify for additional substantial European Union funding for food and basic assistance for those who qualify for help. Over the past seven years Ireland drew down €14m from the Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived. LINK (http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1017/480867-european-union-food/)

Why isn't this being trumpeted alongside the upcoming 'exit' from Troika control?

C. Flower
17-10-2013, 10:15 AM
Ireland is expected to qualify for additional substantial European Union funding for food and basic assistance for those who qualify for help. Over the past seven years Ireland drew down €14m from the Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived. LINK (http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1017/480867-european-union-food/)

Why isn't this being trumpeted alongside the upcoming 'exit' from Troika control?

And equally to the point, is Ireland drawing this down and using it ? If the Dell shut down grants are anything to go by, no.

bapapabapa
18-10-2013, 06:10 AM
bia heineken gia (http://antg.cand.com.vn/vi-vn/phongsu/2011/11/78897.cand) tri thuong hieu toan cau

C. Flower
18-10-2013, 08:01 AM
bia heineken gia (http://antg.cand.com.vn/vi-vn/phongsu/2011/11/78897.cand) tri thuong hieu toan cau

We enjoy heineken here too bapapabapa, but in general our forum is oriented towards politics.:)

Apjp
18-10-2013, 08:04 AM
that money is probably given to the mncs or some magnate out in mayo cos there ain't no 14 million extra in education or welfare. on the bright side we all qualify for extra cheese now.

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fluffybiscuits
07-02-2014, 08:09 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iv-drip/the-shocking-facts-about-uk-inequality-9059140.html

Some stats

Pearse Monnet
08-02-2014, 09:17 PM
Good book on this subject
“The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better” ; Richard G. Wilkinson and Kate Pickett, Allen Lane publishing (2009)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Spirit-Level-Equality-Everyone/dp/0241954290

Wilkinson is Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health at University College London
Pickett is Professor of Epidemiology in the Department of Health Sciences at the University of York

“The Spirit Level” argues that the growing inequality in society creates problems for society as a whole in areas like physical health, mental health, drug abuse, and education.

The book contains graphs that are available online
http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/our-publications/spirit-level-slides

morticia
30-12-2014, 05:27 PM
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/08/06/1-million-jobless-left-out-of-uk-govt-unemployment-figures/

A comprehensive article describing how the UK is massaging its unemployment figures in order to reduce the claimant count by well over a million, and worse, deny people benefits.

Do we have zero hours contracts here? If not, they need to remain illegal.

goatstoe
19-01-2015, 09:26 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30875633


"From 2000 until 2009, the proportion of wealth held by the wealthiest 1% fell every year. From 2010 until 2014 it rose every year. Oxfam has taken the figures since 2010 and used them to extrapolate what will happen in the coming years. Clearly, that is the methodology that will make inequality look the most severe," he added.



A BBC analyst quoted in the article querying the Oxfam report, actually raises a point that the "1%" used the recession to hit back against a trend where their proportion of wealth was slightly reducing between 2000 and 2009. Not sure he meant it that way.

morticia
24-01-2015, 07:53 AM
This, in the Indo this morning, suggesting that while we still have many battles to fight, we are one of the first world's more progressive societies in terms of redistribution. They worry about trends elsewhere impinging on Ireland though.

Still, a feel good article for first thing on Sat, for a change. Apparently our male female wage differential is lower than many places too (nowhere being perfect on that front).

Better make sure the right wing don't make it any worse...

Despite what you hear, Ireland is a leader in terms of income equality

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/dan-obrien/despite-what-you-hear-ireland-is-a-leader-in-terms-of-income-equality-30933253.html

morticia
24-01-2015, 11:56 AM
Income equality on low wages, amazing!

One might wonder if the jobridge folk enjoy equality?

Given that the UK dole is 69 quid a week (ours is 180), and many countries benefits run out after long periods of unemployment (US, Greece), I can believe there are MORE unequal places in the OECD.

Not that that is any cause for complacency, and conditions should be improved further, obviously.

I'm inclined to believe the stuff about progressive taxation of higher earners, though. As evidence, the MNCs are complaining about its effects on their higher exec layer. Something that makes me support it, passively aggressively.

Kenny also refused to lift the bankers wages cap last week. First progressive decision he's made in a while, let's see more of that!!