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C. Flower
18-05-2013, 11:54 AM
CAHWT held its annual conference three weeks ago. I can't find any reports of the conference, not even on the CAHWT site or on Joe Higgins's site.

If anyone can help out with a link to a report, or a personal report, it would be appreciated.

The blog linked below says there was a SP led vote for CAHWT to become "political". A comment is posted by one CAHWT group disassociating themselves from the decision and opposing it.

http://bigginsblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/a-new-socialist-party-formed-today-by-the-sly-backdoor/

Over 100 people attended. Was this a delegate conference, or open to all members ?

Red C Polls said that 71% intend to register. It seems probable to me that a portion of those who don't intend to register are not in a position to pay. Deliberate boycott, even before serious pressure comes on from the Revenue Commissioners, appears not likely to be more than 20%. This is very far from a mass boycott, although it is possible that numbers boycotting could increase year on year as the economy deteriorates.

http://www.socialistparty.net/household-charge/1201-mass-boycott-the-property-tax-forms

Mick Bailey calls for large numbers of people to stand against Labour as CAHWT candidates. Can such a big electoral effort be justified, for a single issue campaign with limited support ?

Jolly Red Giant
18-05-2013, 04:58 PM
Over 100 people attended. Was this a delegate conference, or open to all members ?
Delegates from each group


Mick Bailey calls for large numbers of people to stand against Labour as CAHWT candidates. Can such a big electoral effort be justified, for a single issue campaign with limited support ?
It was written by Mick Barry - and yes - 29% non-compliance is more than 500,000 households - and many more that have returned the forms oppose the tax and would potentially support candidates.

As for the blog - not surprised that some individuals hold this view - exactly the same debates took place during the warter charges campaign in the 1990s - the CAHWT is a campaign that has taken a decision to use elections as one part of its strategy to oppose this tax. The majority of the candidates endorsed by the campaign in 1997 (after water charges had been abolished) were not members of the Socialist Party.

Just had a look at that blog for a couple of mintues - big surprise - its the Freemen/Direct Democracy again - hardly surprising they oppose the CAHWT running candidates :rolleyes:

C. Flower
18-05-2013, 05:26 PM
Delegates from each group


It was written by Mick Barry - and yes - 29% non-compliance is more than 500,000 households - and many more that have returned the forms oppose the tax and would potentially support candidates.

As for the blog - not surprised that some individuals hold this view - exactly the same debates took place during the warter charges campaign in the 1990s - the CAHWT is a campaign that has taken a decision to use elections as one part of its strategy to oppose this tax. The majority of the candidates endorsed by the campaign in 1997 (after water charges had been abolished) were not members of the Socialist Party.

Just had a look at that blog for a couple of mintues - big surprise - its the Freemen/Direct Democracy again - hardly surprising they oppose the CAHWT running candidates :rolleyes:

Is there a report anywhere on the Conference ?

C. Flower
18-05-2013, 08:12 PM
Has the SP and CAHWT gone underground ?

No report on Higgins speech to the WASP, in S.A. and nothing on the CAHWT Annual Conference ??

Jolly Red Giant
18-05-2013, 09:27 PM
Is there a report anywhere on the Conference ?

Don't know - wasn't there and haven't been taking much notice recently because of work pressures


Has the SP and CAHWT gone underground ?

No report on Higgins speech to the WASP, in S.A. and nothing on the CAHWT Annual Conference ??
Being a little facetious here CF - and on the visit of Joe Higgins to South Africa - I have dealt with that before.

C. Flower
18-05-2013, 11:52 PM
Don't know - wasn't there and haven't been taking much notice recently because of work pressures


Being a little facetious here CF - and on the visit of Joe Higgins to South Africa - I have dealt with that before.

Have you posted a link to his speech, or a report on what he said ? That was what I was asking for.

I am being only slightly facetious. I find it very odd indeed that there are no reports either in mainstream media or on SP websites, or the CAHWT website, on the National Conference. Also odd that it was impossible to get a copy of Higgins speech to the launch of a new party in South Africa.
Both of these things would be of general interest, I would have thought, both to SP members and the general public.