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Buddha
11-05-2013, 01:06 AM
I look at the news and read the newspapers. I watch Prime Time and sometimes Vinnie Browne when I'm feeling PC enough to listen to his stuttering utterances without putting my foot through the telly, and I still cannot believe I am listening to my old comrades whom I thought I knew, having grown up with them from the Stickie Era, though the Democratic Left Era and then finally evolving as The Labour Party.

I can only assume that they have been taken over by aliens because they sure as hell are not spouting what they spouted gushingly throughout the decades prior to 2011. Even taking into consideraton the change from Dunnes Stores best attire to Haute Couture, I fail to understand the complete turn-around in attitude to what was ingrained on their souls, as on mine, when manning the barricades. The Red Flag no longer flies anywhere near them, unless it is part of their new ensemble as recommended by Expose and their policies has gone the way of the Irish Economy, disappeared in a puff of smoke that would make any eFFer's smoke filled room feel ashamed.

Childrens's Allowance - was sacrosanct - now for sale to the Fine Gael inner circle.

Carer's Allowance - untouchable - out the window at the first whiff of cabinet seats for sale.

Hospital Lists - The Crucible of the Left - now, the accepted face of modern living. "People are living so much longer and this will of course increase waiting lists". The selfishness of the elderly knows no bounds. Four score years and ten is your alloted life-span. Pure selfishness to live longer and thus deprive the youth of life and healthy living. "There is nothing we can do" is now the mantra. The old won't die on time.

"Unemployment figures are down" smirks Gilmore, forgetting that something like 300,000 have emigrated which might explain why figures are about the same as they were in 2010. He was freaking back then about these appalling figures and about emigration but now, all is well. I'm sure he waves the red flag each evening as another boatload head out of Dun Laoighaire harbour and head for G.B.

The Abortion Debate. "The sytem is so set that everything will click into place", says Kathleen Lynch. Yeah, as soon as a woman presents herself for the inquisition. The Inquisitors, the initial three, followed by the secondary three, perhaps followed by 8 months in pre-natal prison. Yeah, Kathleen, we fought long and hard for that. I cannot remember, strangely enough, you saying that women should be subjected to such torture instead of having to fly over to to England. Must have missed that one.

Mr. Rabbitte is as usual here with the shít, we're used to that, but the rest? And the members of The Labour Party!! Are they all dead, or paralised by shock! They have bought into the capitalist disaster protection act, big time, hav'nt they? When I used to be a party member with these people, we always spoke about the crash of the capitalist market, and wow, were we going to go berserk "come the revolution". But now all the revolutionists are part of the capitalist market and fight tooth and nail to keep their Prada handbags stuffed with the green stuff, or whatever colour Angela Merkel, our Chancellor, decides to use. Hail to the 4th.Reich. The People's Flag no longer flies here. Mé Féiners of the World Unite and join The Labour Party.

dammit_im_mad
11-05-2013, 02:01 AM
hard to argue with much of that post comrade buddha! :-(

I see this as a very short thread full of "what buddha said" posts

PaddyJoe
11-05-2013, 02:28 AM
Welcome back Buddha:)

Binn Beal
11-05-2013, 09:03 AM
Dear Buddha,

It could be that the turn-coats and careerists now control the airwaves, the newspapers, the commentary and all the power structures. There are many who shared the decades of protest and struggle and now find themselves voiceless in the national debate.

It's why I'm posting here in this small yet vital corner of free speech.

Yours ever,

Binn Beal (unreconstructed)

Ceannaire
11-05-2013, 09:08 AM
Mr. Rabbitte is as usual here with the shít, we're used to that, but the rest? And the members of The Labour Party!! Are they all dead, or paralised by shock! They have bought into the capitalist disaster protection act, big time, hav'nt they? When I used to be a party member with these people, we always spoke about the crash of the capitalist market, and wow, were we going to go berserk "come the revolution". But now all the revolutionists are part of the capitalist market and fight tooth and nail to keep their Prada handbags stuffed with the green stuff, or whatever colour Angela Merkel, our Chancellor, decides to use. Hail to the 4th.Reich. The People's Flag no longer flies here. Mé Féiners of the World Unite and join The Labour Party.

It is interesting that you imply that Labour was much further to the left when you were a member; I'm not sure when that was, but Labour propping up right-wing parties in government is not a new thing, whether Fine Gael or Fianna Fáil. How did the membership handle it back then seeing as they were so much more radical?

Ephilant
11-05-2013, 09:30 AM
I fail to understand the complete turn-around in attitude to what was ingrained on their souls, as on mine, when manning the barricades.

You put your finger on the problem with this sentence. While you were manning the barricades, your children were being minded and indoctrinated by the grannies who couldn't understand what you were doing and didn't agree with it. It's those modified left wing kids, raised in the mentally of national coma you so objected to, that are now voting. When the people you (rightfully) complain so bitterly about for betraying the cause left the barricades to become politicians instead of remaining activists, they sold their soul and everything engrained on it, because they needed those modified kids to vote for them. The present day situation is the result of this dynamic, and not just in Ireland. Politics and activism are like fire and water. Conditional to inflicting politics on society is the removal of activism in any shape or form. Haute couture, a chauffeur driven Merc, an obscene wage and a fat pension are the payoff for dropping the activism...

DCon
11-05-2013, 01:53 PM
I think it is fair to say that the Labour party was taken hostge by careerists who wanted to be Ministers at all and any costs.

They would have joined any party to achieve their ambition and the Labour party was easiest as FG and FF were filled with the same type of careerist (but perhaps slightly more devious, cunning and dishonest) who had the advantage of being from a FG/FF family.

Quite similar to how John Gormley (a FFer in spirit if ever there was one) took the Green party hostage and destroyed it.

fluffybiscuits
11-05-2013, 03:03 PM
Buddha, welcome back, one of my fav posters !

Disability Student got it in one when he said a lot of the Labour members are looking for their gold plated pensions.Old Labour vanguard had the people at heart and cared the elderly, the students, families and anyone else marginalised, they were the voice of the working class. Now we have Quinn upping fees, Howlin cutting public service, Brutons savagely letting austerity affect those of whom her party vows to protect. A lot of members of Labour are now opportunists, they are there mandated to make a difference, they have done fu** all .

@DCon Are the careerists not in the majority in Labour?

Ceannaire
11-05-2013, 06:14 PM
Haute couture, a chauffeur driven Merc, an obscene wage and a fat pension are the payoff for dropping the activism...


Ironically, that's a near-paraphrase of something Pat Rabbitte said in his WP days, when he said, "All Labour gets out of government is a Merc and a fat pension."

disability student
11-05-2013, 08:23 PM
Buddha, welcome back, one of my fav posters !

Disability Student got it in one when he said a lot of the Labour members are looking for their gold plated pensions.Old Labour vanguard had the people at heart and cared the elderly, the students, families and anyone else marginalised, they were the voice of the working class. Now we have Quinn upping fees, Howlin cutting public service, Brutons savagely letting austerity affect those of whom her party vows to protect. A lot of members of Labour are now opportunists, they are there mandated to make a difference, they have done fu** all .

@DCon Are the careerists not in the majority in Labour?

I wasn't the only one who had said ie re gold plated pensions. I would agree with your comments re ****** all. I chatted to a bus driver as he said that FG govt are attacking all workers not just PS workers but attacking all workers and families included as well re USC, nasty stealth cuts, mobility grants cuts et al.

BUT BUT nothing on govt gold plated pensions, allowances,perks so on as they were protected at all costs.

Heard from a union worker as he said that once govt started 1st CUTs with no fightback long ago then they will start CUT and CUT & CUT until fightback is ignited.


Careerists are the elites at the top of Labour party as it seems there is a lot of champagne socialists who talk the talk but not walk the talk.

In short, they are traitors and spoofers par excellence as they would betray you or any people at any cost. They don't have any moral conscience at all and it's everything for themselves.

Mick Tully
11-05-2013, 09:38 PM
As the song goes.
"The working class may kiss me ar$e,
I got the ministerial job at last,
So fook the supporters that got me there,
I have my pension I do not care.
So shove the red flag up your hole.

Ps.I am not a poet, I am sure you will come to that conclusion.

disability student
11-05-2013, 09:40 PM
As the song goes.
"The working class may kiss me ar$e,
I got the ministerial job at last,
So fook the supporters that got me there,
I have my pension I do not care.
So shove the red flag up your hole.

Ps.I am not a poet, I am sure you will come to that conclusion.

I concur :D

Holly
11-05-2013, 10:51 PM
The politicians are counting on getting away with all the austerity measures mentioned. People wrongly believed that by destroying Fianna Fail at the polls, a new government would renegotiate the bank bailout and avoid so many cuts to services while continuing to bankroll senior and middle management civil servants. The final straw should have been the home tax. Manual and semi-skilled unionized workers who voted for Labour over the years made sacrifices to become homeowners, leaving their homes before children were even out of bed for school and returning late at night because they had worked overtime and their wages over the years went to buy their houses. The government does not own any part of people's homes and have no right nor mandate to claim any parts or payments based on the size or location of a bought and paid for house. That the Labour Party could have gone along with this is a betrayal of the people who voted for them. Only one party, Sinn Féin, has put the repeal of the home tax in their policy and they are sure to get the votes of very many traditional Labour supporters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGOQSr_nRcI

dammit_im_mad
11-05-2013, 11:05 PM
Yeah I really hate the way the media insist on calling it the "property tax".

For example, the church pay nothing and yet they are probably the biggest property owners in the state.

We need to keep pulling them up on this and call it what it really is:
The Family Home Tax

Shaadi
11-05-2013, 11:48 PM
They're a party dominated by a well off and old leadership, they see the world from a management POV. Shuffle some paperwork, keep the accountants happy and push through some pet projects. Enjoy their leisure time, dinner parties and congratulating themselves on doing a wonderful job. Put on the sad face when passing on the bad news to the public, while behind closed doors they were gung-ho to make the necessary cutbacks, while always rationalising their own privilege and nepotism as being an entitlement for doing the kind of important job that takes real talent ( ha, ha ).

That's what happens when shop stewards get promoted to management and quickly forget where they came from. Labour having merely been another Social Democrat/Trade Union wing of FG and lacking in any serious ambition of their own to ever take top spot, were always going to go with the program. Given the perilous financial state of the country and cynical leadership of Labour, only a credulous fool could be genuinely surprised at how it turned out.

Hilly Billy
12-05-2013, 12:55 AM
Once bullies caught me and shoved nettled down my kaks. Hole stung like hell!!!

PaddyJoe
12-05-2013, 01:10 AM
Once bullies caught me and shoved nettled down my kaks. Hole stung like hell!!!
Doesn't sound like much fun, Hilly. Commiserations. Not quite sure how the anecdote is relevant to this thread though.

Binn Beal
12-05-2013, 08:10 AM
I think it's a metaphor for the evils of unjust taxation.:)

Buddha
13-05-2013, 11:09 PM
De tings we were going to do "come the revolution". I tell you comrades, I came to the conclusion a long time ago, that a walk through the gates of Leinster House as an elected representative meant an immediate, miraculous transformation into The World of Cybernetics. One becomes one with the system. One becomes the system.

I admit, I worked there for manys the year, and quickly came to the conclusion that if one should throw a lump of raw meat half way up a mountain and elect whoever came down to eat it, that we would have what we have now and always have had. A shower of power hungry hypocrites, or the more common "Smash and Grab Merchant".

I also admit that as a lone parent, not because I committed a mortal sin but because I divorced the gobshíte I married in a moment of lunacy, I stayed put because I was following the wages trail. And I saw it all, but refused to believe that the years of spending every free moment out canvassing, leafleting and attending endless meetings were for nought. I could write a book, if I could write that is, but I have a habit of going off at a tangent as you can see. That was a good poem comrade. Better than "The working class can kiss my árse I've got the foreman's job at last." So silly yet so true.

fluffybiscuits
13-05-2013, 11:48 PM
They're a party dominated by a well off and old leadership, they see the world from a management POV. Shuffle some paperwork, keep the accountants happy and push through some pet projects. Enjoy their leisure time, dinner parties and congratulating themselves on doing a wonderful job. Put on the sad face when passing on the bad news to the public, while behind closed doors they were gung-ho to make the necessary cutbacks, while always rationalising their own privilege and nepotism as being an entitlement for doing the kind of important job that takes real talent ( ha, ha ).

That's what happens when shop stewards get promoted to management and quickly forget where they came from. Labour having merely been another Social Democrat/Trade Union wing of FG and lacking in any serious ambition of their own to ever take top spot, were always going to go with the program. Given the perilous financial state of the country and cynical leadership of Labour, only a credulous fool could be genuinely surprised at how it turned out.


Are the the Greens in disguise or PD Light? :D


I wasn't the only one who had said ie re gold plated pensions. I would agree with your comments re ****** all. I chatted to a bus driver as he said that FG govt are attacking all workers not just PS workers but attacking all workers and families included as well re USC, nasty stealth cuts, mobility grants cuts et al.

BUT BUT nothing on govt gold plated pensions, allowances,perks so on as they were protected at all costs.

Heard from a union worker as he said that once govt started 1st CUTs with no fightback long ago then they will start CUT and CUT & CUT until fightback is ignited.


Careerists are the elites at the top of Labour party as it seems there is a lot of champagne socialists who talk the talk but not walk the talk.

In short, they are traitors and spoofers par excellence as they would betray you or any people at any cost. They don't have any moral conscience at all and it's everything for themselves.

+1

In bed at the moment and thinking to myself, the bus strike better be a catalyst for something more. Backs are now against the wall,. we go any further and its through the wall...

Buddha
14-05-2013, 01:01 AM
Are the the Greens in disguise or PD Light? :D+1

In bed at the moment and thinking to myself, the bus strike better be a catalyst for something more. Backs are now against the wall,. we go any further and its through the wall...

It's well for you in bed, fluffy, and me waiting for the shagging cat to show up. The bus strike is a beginning, but I don't trust the Unions anymore than I trust politicians. And who will pay the price as always. The ones who don't have a job anymore. Those who need a Health System that works, an Education System that ensures our children have a future, even if it will probably be in some other country? We gave our all to the banks and the bond-holders. How do we get it back? How do we get our sovereignty back? Who fights for those who don't have unions representing them? That was the job, the whole reason for The Labour Party. And they have sold out. Not for Ireland. Jim Larkin fought for the workers. James Connolly died for Ireland. This lot would not even walk into the Nay lobby for Ireland. Greed and power wins the day every time. For the few. Never the many. Have you noticed that. It's always for "the few" in Ireland.

fluffybiscuits
14-05-2013, 10:35 AM
http://itsapoeticalworld.com/2013/04/23/larkin-is-spinning-in-his-grave/

C. Flower
14-05-2013, 10:57 AM
It's well for you in bed, fluffy, and me waiting for the shagging cat to show up. The bus strike is a beginning, but I don't trust the Unions anymore than I trust politicians. And who will pay the price as always. The ones who don't have a job anymore. Those who need a Health System that works, an Education System that ensures our children have a future, even if it will probably be in some other country? We gave our all to the banks and the bond-holders. How do we get it back? How do we get our sovereignty back? Who fights for those who don't have unions representing them? That was the job, the whole reason for The Labour Party. And they have sold out. Not for Ireland. Jim Larkin fought for the workers. James Connolly died for Ireland. This lot would not even walk into the Nay lobby for Ireland. Greed and power wins the day every time. For the few. Never the many. Have you noticed that. It's always for "the few" in Ireland.

Well, not every time, or we would never have had health services and unions in the first place. There were gains made and now they are being sold or thrown away. The bus drivers strike is the first serious sign of anyone saying stop.

Buddha
14-05-2013, 08:59 PM
Well, not every time, or we would never have had health services and unions in the first place. There were gains made and now they are being sold or thrown away. The bus drivers strike is the first serious sign of anyone saying stop.

Yes, I know there were gains made my flower. That's why I mentioned Larkin et al. What I am on about is the usual. The crumbs from the rich man's table. When does that change? When do we scream "enough", we don't, and as I thought, the bus strike has come to nought. We wait and see.

C. Flower
14-05-2013, 10:29 PM
Yes, I know there were gains made my flower. That's why I mentioned Larkin et al. What I am on about is the usual. The crumbs from the rich man's table. When does that change? When do we scream "enough", we don't, and as I thought, the bus strike has come to nought. We wait and see.

The old are rich, the adults are on a hamster wheel of childcare and mortgage payment, and the young are leaving.

Spectabilis
14-05-2013, 10:47 PM
]The old are rich[/B], the adults are on a hamster wheel of childcare and mortgage payment, and the young are leaving. If only 'twere true. There seems to me to be a complete contradiction in reports recently. One said it was those from 40 to 65 who were in the greatest difficulty in mortgage arrears.

Hilly Billy
16-05-2013, 08:24 PM
OnSchloss Itter

C. Flower
16-05-2013, 08:26 PM
If only 'twere true. There seems to me to be a complete contradiction in reports recently. One said it was those from 40 to 65 who were in the greatest difficulty in mortgage arrears.

A worrying number of older people have "gone guarantor" for negative equity mortgages. Two generations up the swanee, and the younger ones can't even make a break for Oz without landing the parents in it.