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unspecific
29-04-2013, 12:42 PM
This Evening Monday 29 April - Unfinished Business: We're Not Leaving! Rally Against Forced Emigration(After Action on X)

https://www.facebook.com/events/500255556689299/



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"Emigration during the recession has reached famine level, with 200 people leaving the country every day. This social disaster is a direct result of the conditions facing young people in the Irish economy: youth unemployment, precarious work, unpaid internships, higher education fee hikes and grant cuts. How can young workers, students and the unemployed work in solidarity across our different struggles to tackle the challenges that unify us? How can we stay and fight?

The public meeting will build towards a youth bloc on the May Day march in Dublin."

Article in The Journal.ie about it today.

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-young-irish-people-are-losing-their-voice-and-facing-forced-emigration-886417-Apr2013/


Break the silence on youth issues

The Lockout of 1913 was a moment when many realised that they did not have to face their problems alone. A century on, young people in Ireland should organise—to break the silence on youth issues, and to demand recognition. To accept the conditions of Austerity Ireland as an unbreakable ‘economic reality’ is to concede defeat to a future of insecurity, powerlessness and frustrated ambitions.

We invite anyone interested in these issues to a public meeting this Monday, the 29th of April, at 7.15pm in Wynn’s Hotel, to discuss how we can work in solidarity to tackle the challenges that unify young people across Ireland and across Europe.

Tell us how we can stay and fight.

#UB1913 #forcedemigration

Twitter (https://twitter.com/UB1913)
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/1913UnfinishedBusiness)

C. Flower
29-04-2013, 01:03 PM
Good luck with this :)

Sam Lord
29-04-2013, 01:27 PM
Who are the organisers?

C. Flower
29-04-2013, 01:32 PM
Who are the organisers?

Seems to be the Dublin Council of Trade Unionshttp://www.politicalworld.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=396&d=1367235453

unspecific
29-04-2013, 02:12 PM
Seems to be the Dublin Council of Trade Unionshttp://www.politicalworld.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=396&d=1367235453

Thanks for the well wishes. #UB1913 is a group of young lefty friends from the greater Dublin area. A few individuals are members of different groups, but it's completely it's own autonomous independent thing.(not a front for anyone). After seeing our striking banners at the protests over the last few months, DCTU asked us to help organize their MayDay march. So that's what's happening.

C. Flower
29-04-2013, 02:22 PM
The banners have been cool :)

fluffybiscuits
29-04-2013, 02:26 PM
Best wishes with the march everyone.

Want to be there myself but cant as Im feeling under the weather with a head cold !

Sam Lord
29-04-2013, 04:30 PM
Want to be there myself but cant as Im feeling under the weather with a head cold !

lol

C. Flower
29-04-2013, 04:35 PM
lol

Can't see how fluffybiscuits getting pneumonia would advance things much.

Sam Lord
29-04-2013, 04:44 PM
Can't see how fluffybiscuits getting pneumonia would advance things much.

There is little fear of that apparently.

I was reminded of Ernie O'Malley (was it?) saying he could find no end of men willing to lay down their lives for Ireland but precious few who were willing to get wet for Ireland. :)

fluffybiscuits
29-04-2013, 04:44 PM
lol

Would not have expected anything less Sam me aul flower, staying true to form there :)

fluffybiscuits
29-04-2013, 04:45 PM
There is little fear of that apparently.

I was reminded of Ernie O'Malley (was it?) saying he could find no end of men willing to lay down their lives for Ireland but precious few who were willing to get wet for Ireland. :)

Whilst others breezed off to Canada :)

Sam Lord
29-04-2013, 04:47 PM
Whilst others breezed off to Canada :)

I'm not Irish, fluffy ...

fluffybiscuits
29-04-2013, 04:52 PM
I'm not Irish, fluffy ...

I'll still give you a hug anyways , you sound like you need one there :)

Sam Lord
29-04-2013, 04:54 PM
I'll still give you a hug anyways , you sound like you need one there :)

Sorry, I'm old school. Men shake each others hands, if necessary. I don't do cheek kissing either.

fluffybiscuits
29-04-2013, 04:56 PM
Sorry, I'm old school. Men shake each others hands, if necessary. I don't do cheek kissing either.

Is that a polite way of saying out of touch? You sound like a wet dream for Freud...

C. Flower
29-04-2013, 04:57 PM
There is little fear of that apparently.

I was reminded of Ernie O'Malley (was it?) saying he could find no end of men willing to lay down their lives for Ireland but precious few who were willing to get wet for Ireland. :)

That would rule out almost all outdoor activity.

C. Flower
21-09-2013, 08:27 PM
Any more news on Unfinished Business ?

C. Flower
30-12-2013, 10:42 PM
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Emigration-numbers-continue-to-soar-in-Ireland-237814131.html

Emigration numbers still going up, but a lot of emigration is a brain drain from Ireland of highly qualified people who don't see a future here.


One in six households has seen a family member emigrate since 2006, according to a major report this year.
The University College Cork and the Irish Research Council also revealed that unemployment is not the only reason to leave the country, as in fact almost half of emigrants were in full-time jobs before they moved.
But there was clear evidence of a brain drain as many of these were health professionals or IT specialists seeking better jobs or conditions elsewhere.
There are signs of hope for Ireland's young graduates as increasing numbers (52pc) are getting work in Ireland within a few months of graduating, although the number of those emigrating to find a job (10pc) is still rising.
Those who complete a higher qualification, such as a masters degree or a PhD, are more likely to walk straight into employment in Ireland.
The figures represented below were compiled by the Herald (http://www.herald.ie/news/brain-drain-fears-as-250-people-a-day-quit-ireland-29864813.html).
Emigration 89,000 (CSO May 2012-April 2013):

Apjp
30-12-2013, 11:07 PM
Good news for Fine Gwael on the tax and unemployment front as more young people finding a Macjob. Some jobs need filling due to the leaving of those just saving to get away and others, like in America, are being created but these are low wage jobs which is a symbol of the restructuring of the already multinationalist economy. Anyone would swear, considering MNC's often pay much lower or at least considerably lower than Irish companies, that the whole tax régime was allowed rest in place by some members of the troika to kill off the domestic economy paving the way for the full liberalisation of what before the crisis was a very mixed economy, and in so doing removing the basis for an independent national economy.

Hey don't listen to me. Not like 5'000 people with the same degree in Ireland couldn't tell you the same thing. Meanwhile the official economic death just forces everything underground as working in the black economy and keeping your entitlements is now becoming more beneficial than a 40 hour minimum wage job, and more and more Irish self traders and small companies want and need to work this way to compete, and answers fellas better to work locally and keep their dole than travel 50 mile away for a pittance and add to that the cost of commuting.

Isn't this the way the economy went in the eighties? Though maybe it will be more extreme now.

Apjp
30-12-2013, 11:13 PM
Which would make you think either the mandarins and the politicians are complete dopes or they are happy to turn a blind eye to the black economy if young people who along with vulnerable minorities have had the biggest drop in living standards kick up less of a stink due to the massive growth in this area. The only way of combating all this is to introduce decent living wages. That may not mean socialism, as the system designed makes socialism nearly impossible, but it definitely means taking on MNC Cartels and redistributing income(ie sharing the wealth). All well and good and even people like Burton Doherty et al are going on about it now but show me an Irish govt. who might do it in any permanent tangible way besides temporary tax cuts to win elections.

Saoirse go Deo
30-12-2013, 11:54 PM
Good news for Fine Gwael on the tax and unemployment front as more young people finding a Macjob. Some jobs need filling due to the leaving of those just saving to get away and others, like in America, are being created but these are low wage jobs which is a symbol of the restructuring of the already multinationalist economy. Anyone would swear, considering MNC's often pay much lower or at least considerably lower than Irish companies, that the whole tax régime was allowed rest in place by some members of the troika to kill off the domestic economy paving the way for the full liberalisation of what before the crisis was a very mixed economy, and in so doing removing the basis for an independent national economy.

Hey don't listen to me. Not like 5'000 people with the same degree in Ireland couldn't tell you the same thing. Meanwhile the official economic death just forces everything underground as working in the black economy and keeping your entitlements is now becoming more beneficial than a 40 hour minimum wage job, and more and more Irish self traders and small companies want and need to work this way to compete, and answers fellas better to work locally and keep their dole than travel 50 mile away for a pittance and add to that the cost of commuting.

Isn't this the way the economy went in the eighties? Though maybe it will be more extreme now.

The "incentive to work" for the rich is tax breaks and bonuses. For the poor it is cuts; a hungry belly and threats.

They will say that the solution to the situation you outline is to cut your entitlements.

It will not be long before we have a situation like America where some people work two or even three full time jobs and are still impoverished.

C. Flower
30-12-2013, 11:57 PM
Which would make you think either the mandarins and the politicians are complete dopes or they are happy to turn a blind eye to the black economy if young people who along with vulnerable minorities have had the biggest drop in living standards kick up less of a stink due to the massive growth in this area. The only way of combating all this is to introduce decent living wages. That may not mean socialism, as the system designed makes socialism nearly impossible, but it definitely means taking on MNC Cartels and redistributing income(ie sharing the wealth). All well and good and even people like Burton Doherty et al are going on about it now but show me an Irish govt. who might do it in any permanent tangible way besides temporary tax cuts to win elections.

Front page of one of today's papers says "Bruton Opposes Living Wages"- so that idea is incompatible with Fine Gael's rule. They are promising tax cuts.

In France, they have just introduced a 75% Millionaires tax and have a good layer of social services and benefits.

fluffybiscuits
02-01-2014, 01:59 PM
Which would make you think either the mandarins and the politicians are complete dopes or they are happy to turn a blind eye to the black economy if young people who along with vulnerable minorities have had the biggest drop in living standards kick up less of a stink due to the massive growth in this area. The only way of combating all this is to introduce decent living wages. That may not mean socialism, as the system designed makes socialism nearly impossible, but it definitely means taking on MNC Cartels and redistributing income(ie sharing the wealth). All well and good and even people like Burton Doherty et al are going on about it now but show me an Irish govt. who might do it in any permanent tangible way besides temporary tax cuts to win elections.

Creation of more jobs coincides with more tax revenue for the state , everyone is a winner at the end of it all. Spot on with your point on the black market jobs, people cannot be blamed for taking them on as money is tight all round.